Exactly - thanks for adding that. I think I say that in my "resources for Bibb" that I cut and paste for new members - when I can remember to do so :) . ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] BOOKS and list membership > Caroline, > You forgot to mention one more reason they should check the Archives. Many > of the people who were frequent posters in the past had been researching > for years and had lots of information to share. They are no longer with > us. So, if you want access to their information, you'll have to go to the > Archives. Just be aware that no one is always correct and you will find > mistakes. It is the job of the researcher to document the information. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Caroline <carolineh@knology.net> > To: albibb@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:04 am > Subject: [ALBIBB] BOOKS and list membership > > > > Jacque, I checked and we have 186 list members. I wanted to check the > number of "ancients" - great description - but would have to go by each > letter of the alphabet - not today. For those who may be curious about > our > list heritage go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALBIBB/ and > browse > the posts for the early years, beginning in Sept 1997. We're still > "listing" almost 12 years later; some of us listing in more ways than one. > I always advise returning to these old postings as something that was > posted > years ago may be just the information we're looking for. > > Thanks for writing, Jacque. > Caroline

Connie, I have seen Steele...and I think Stewart, but as I say, I have only read about 1/2 I know that children of the Logan children married into the Steele families, thus I am a little more observant of Steele. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Parnell- Beverly" <cpbeverly3231@yahoo.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church What about the Stewarts and Steeles who were associated with the Presbyterian Church in Bibb County? Do you have any information on them? Connie Parnell-Beverly --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> wrote: From: Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> Subject: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church To: albibb@rootsweb.com Cc: "RH Russell Hood Logan" <russell.logan@tx.rr.com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:45 AM PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF THIS HAS ALREADY REACHED YOU. MY MACHINE IS FOULED UP, AND I AM AFRAID IT DID NOT GO OUT. Reading the Presbyterian book of Sessions, from the beginning of the church in 1824, There are a number of Clark listed: Alexander Clark, and what appears to be his wife Marian Then there is another group of Clarks, that would appear to be in the same family given the way they are listed: John Clark Daniel Clark, James Clark, Mary Clark Margaret Clark Effey Clark Ann Clark I wonder if anyone on the list knows anything about these Clarks? Walter, is this your gang? I am particularly interested in Mary Clark who married Collier and then Samuel Hunt Logan, and came to Texas. Collier and Mary had two children, a boy and a girl. Collier must have been killed in the CSA, and is buried at Mt Zion Baptist Church. I would appreciate any information about this Mary Clark....I believe my great, great grandmother had a mother who had been named a Cameron, from Scotland. I do not know from whence they came, although they apparently arrived in Bibb County shortly after the separation of Mississippi and Alabama in 1818 and formation of Alabama Territory. Any information would be received with much gratitude. Don Logan Lamesa, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who knows, Jacque... My memory, anymore, is more like free association.... you never know what is going to come out. One thing about getting old, however, is that I speak a lot faster.\ If I dont, I forget what I was going to say. be well, don ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > Caroline, > ??? I think I may qualify as one of the "ancients."? Lots of good memories > of the way the list used to be and the people who were always exchanging > information. I think I may have just hit burnout. How many people are on > the list these days? > > Liz, > ?? Hope you have a safe trip. Tell your family hello from us. If you plan > to make it to the Lawrence-Hicks reunion, let me know. I'll try taking a > few extra vitamins and maybe we can do some rambling if it isn't over 100 > degrees. > > Don, > ?? When I saw the name "Thomas" in your note?I wondered if you were > thinking of C.Y. Thomas. I don't know if you ever exchanged e-mails with > him but he did a lot of Bibb County research. He was a great YEAGER > researcher. Just to help other researchers, he did an every name index for > Ulysses Huey Abrams book -- A History of Early Bibb County, Alabama, > 1820-1870. > > Hazel, > ??? Glad you're still around too. I noticed your post about the cemetery > book. Do you know if they have copied the one that is being sold at the > Brent-Centreville Library with the index that was contributed by Terri > Adams. Terri probably spent a year doing that index and her name isn't > even on the index page.? > > Jacque > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Caroline, ?? You forgot to mention one more reason they should check the Archives.? Many of the people who were frequent posters in the past had been researching for years and had lots of information to share. They are no longer with us. So, if you want access to their information, you'll have to go to the Archives. Just be aware that no one is always correct and you will find mistakes. It is the job of the researcher to document the information. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline <carolineh@knology.net> To: albibb@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:04 am Subject: [ALBIBB] BOOKS and list membership Jacque, I checked and we have 186 list members. I wanted to check the number of "ancients" - great description - but would have to go by each letter of the alphabet - not today. For those who may be curious about our list heritage go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALBIBB/ and browse the posts for the early years, beginning in Sept 1997. We're still "listing" almost 12 years later; some of us listing in more ways than one. I always advise returning to these old postings as something that was posted years ago may be just the information we're looking for. Thanks for writing, Jacque. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > Caroline, > ??? I think I may qualify as one of the "ancients."? Lots of good memories > of the way the list used to be and the people who were always exchanging > information. I think I may have just hit burnout. How many people are on > the list these days? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 07:52 AM 7/18/2009, you wrote: >Thanks Hazel, >How specific is this book? Is it more of an index of cemeteries, graveyards >and family plots, does it list names of those buried? >Ingrid Ingrid, I have not seen the book, so I can not speak first hand. The article says it has 306 pages, so I would say it is more than an index of cemeteries, graveyards and family plots. I would venture to guess it covers all the graves in the cemeteries, graveyards and family plots at the time of reading them. I am going to order one because my great uncle, Nathanial S. Payne married Sarah Smitherman in Bibb Co., AL. He died in the Civil War. She raised the children in Bibb Co., and never remarried. My great grandfather, Jonathan S. Payne married his first wife, Martha E. Anderson in Bibb Co. That is really all we know about her, she died about 1865-66. We do not know where she is buried. We are not sure of her parents. We know they had 4 children, but do not know the name of one of them. Two of them died about the time she died. He had 2 sons with him when he wrote back to their family in Georgia in 1866, month and date unknown. In April 1868, he wrote about his marriage to Martha Susan Weaver in Autauga Co., GA. Hazel

    What about the Stewarts and Steeles who were associated with the Presbyterian Church in Bibb County?  Do you have any information on them?   Connie Parnell-Beverly --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> wrote: From: Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> Subject: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church To: albibb@rootsweb.com Cc: "RH Russell Hood Logan" <russell.logan@tx.rr.com> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:45 AM PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF THIS HAS ALREADY REACHED YOU. MY MACHINE IS FOULED UP, AND I AM AFRAID IT DID NOT GO OUT. Reading the Presbyterian book of Sessions, from the beginning of the church in 1824, There are a number of Clark listed: Alexander Clark, and what appears to be his wife Marian Then there is another group of Clarks, that would appear to be in the same family given the way they are listed: John Clark Daniel Clark, James Clark, Mary Clark Margaret Clark Effey Clark Ann Clark I wonder if anyone on the list knows anything about these Clarks? Walter, is this your gang? I am particularly interested in Mary Clark who married Collier and then Samuel Hunt Logan, and came to Texas. Collier and Mary had two children, a boy and a girl.  Collier must have been killed in the CSA, and is buried at Mt Zion Baptist Church. I would appreciate any information about this Mary Clark....I believe my great, great grandmother had a mother who had been named a Cameron, from Scotland.  I do not know from whence they came, although they apparently arrived in Bibb County shortly after the separation of Mississippi and Alabama in 1818 and formation of Alabama Territory. Any information would be received with much gratitude. Don Logan Lamesa, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline, Thank you for riding herd on this list and for your contributions. Liz in Houston ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:11:22 AM EDT From: "Caroline" <carolineh@knology.net> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ALBIBB] BOOKS and list membership Jacque, I checked and we have 186 list members. I wanted to check the number of "ancients" - great description - but would have to go by each letter of the alphabet - not today. For those who may be curious about our list heritage go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALBIBB/ and browse the posts for the early years, beginning in Sept 1997. We're still "listing" almost 12 years later; some of us listing in more ways than one. I always advise returning to these old postings as something that was posted years ago may be just the information we're looking for. Thanks for writing, Jacque. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > Caroline, > ??? I think I may qualify as one of the "ancients."? Lots of good memories > of the way the list used to be and the people who were always exchanging > information. I think I may have just hit burnout. How many people are on > the list these days? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline, ??? I think I may qualify as one of the "ancients."? Lots of good memories of the way the list used to be and the people who were always exchanging information. I think I may have just hit burnout. How many people are on the list these days? Liz, ?? Hope you have a safe trip. Tell your family hello from us. If you plan to make it to the Lawrence-Hicks reunion, let me know. I'll try taking a few extra vitamins and maybe we can do some rambling if it isn't over 100 degrees. Don, ?? When I saw the name "Thomas" in your note?I wondered if you were thinking of C.Y. Thomas. I don't know if you ever exchanged e-mails with him but he did a lot of Bibb County research. He was a great YEAGER researcher. Just to help other researchers, he did an every name index for Ulysses Huey Abrams book -- A History of Early Bibb County, Alabama, 1820-1870. Hazel, ??? Glad you're still around too. I noticed your post about the cemetery book. Do you know if they have copied the one that is being sold at the Brent-Centreville Library with the index that was contributed by Terri Adams. Terri probably spent a year doing that index and her name isn't even on the index page.? Jacque

Jacque, I checked and we have 186 list members. I wanted to check the number of "ancients" - great description - but would have to go by each letter of the alphabet - not today. For those who may be curious about our list heritage go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ALBIBB/ and browse the posts for the early years, beginning in Sept 1997. We're still "listing" almost 12 years later; some of us listing in more ways than one. I always advise returning to these old postings as something that was posted years ago may be just the information we're looking for. Thanks for writing, Jacque. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > Caroline, > ??? I think I may qualify as one of the "ancients."? Lots of good memories > of the way the list used to be and the people who were always exchanging > information. I think I may have just hit burnout. How many people are on > the list these days?

Thanks Hazel, How specific is this book? Is it more of an index of cemeteries, graveyards and family plots, does it list names of those buried? Ingrid On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Hazel LeBlanc <gen-search@cox.net> wrote: > For those interested in ALABAMA > BIBB COUNTY, ALABAMA CEMETERIES, GRAVEYARDS AND FAMILY BURIAL PLOTS > by Family Adventures > > AncestorStuff.com Genealogy Book & CD Store > http://www.ancestorstuff.com/news/090803-4.htm It has a softcover > with 306 pages for the price of $17.50 usually $25.00 (+s&h). I > have used this site to make purchases for years and I have always > been satisfied. > > This is not meant for advertisement. I have no further connection > with the company. > > Hazel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- As Long As You Mention My Name... I Live...Mayberry, Wilson, Barron, Marshall, Mason, Clark, Carlisle, Kemp..

Thanks Hazel, these sound like some great titles. I wonder about the source(s) for the information in the "Bibb Co. Cemeteries . . . " Our genealogy society in Prattville is buying books for our Alabama Room at the library and this will be a great source. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel LeBlanc" <gen-search@cox.net> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS > For those interested in ALABAMA > BIBB COUNTY, ALABAMA CEMETERIES, GRAVEYARDS AND FAMILY BURIAL PLOTS > by Family Adventures > > AncestorStuff.com Genealogy Book & CD Store > http://www.ancestorstuff.com/news/090803-4.htm It has a softcover > with 306 pages for the price of $17.50 usually $25.00 (+s&h). I > have used this site to make purchases for years and I have always > been satisfied. > > This is not meant for advertisement. I have no further connection > with the company. > > Hazel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

For those interested in ALABAMA BIBB COUNTY, ALABAMA CEMETERIES, GRAVEYARDS AND FAMILY BURIAL PLOTS by Family Adventures AncestorStuff.com Genealogy Book & CD Store http://www.ancestorstuff.com/news/090803-4.htm It has a softcover with 306 pages for the price of $17.50 usually $25.00 (+s&h). I have used this site to make purchases for years and I have always been satisfied. This is not meant for advertisement. I have no further connection with the company. Hazel

Jacque, glad to see you're still loitering out there, also. My, the "oldies" on the list are coming back. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Logan" <moodylogan@windstream.net> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > Thank you so much, Jacque.... > Man, I did not even get close on the name. > > don > Chester and I did exchange letter shortly before his death. > He was really a neat guy!\ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> > To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > >> >> Shultz [sic]?Creek Church Book >> Minutes of The Schultz Creek Baptist Church >> Riverbend, Bibb County, Alabama >> The First Fifty Years >> 1830 - 1880 >> Transcribed by Chester R. Johnson, 1992 >> Printed by The Gregath Publishing Company, P.O. Box 1045, Cullman, AL >> 35056-1045

Shultz [sic]?Creek Church Book Minutes of The Schultz Creek Baptist Church Riverbend, Bibb County, Alabama The First Fifty Years 1830 - 1880 Transcribed by Chester R. Johnson, 1992 Printed by The Gregath Publishing Company, P.O. Box 1045, Cullman, AL 35056-1045 Also from Chester Johnson The Wiley - Boyd Ledger Bibb County, Alabama Before 1823 - 1839 A Genealogical Resource Printed by The Gregath Publishing Company, -----Original Message----- From: Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> To: jkbrown2@knology.net; albibb@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:20 pm Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in PresbyterianChurch/integrationinearly churches Grace, I purchased a copy from a "cousin", and I am ashamed I cannot recall his name: Thomas _____ He was related to the Wallace, and, another fairly important family in River Bend, the names escape me at this stage in my life...."besides, as a psycholifer, I was trying to learn the inner being of my patients, not merely their names"....Ha Ha, How easy it is to rationalize as we age.\\ I think that John has a good plan, and I would guess that a copy is in Centreville Brent library. (The author did the translation, and sold a few books for a nominal fee....Someone surely can tell us his name) don

Thank you so much, Jacque.... Man, I did not even get close on the name. don Chester and I did exchange letter shortly before his death. He was really a neat guy!\ ----- Original Message ----- From: <jacqueotts@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] - BOOKS (Schultz Creek) > > Shultz [sic]?Creek Church Book > Minutes of The Schultz Creek Baptist Church > Riverbend, Bibb County, Alabama > The First Fifty Years > 1830 - 1880 > Transcribed by Chester R. Johnson, 1992 > Printed by The Gregath Publishing Company, P.O. Box 1045, Cullman, AL > 35056-1045 > > Also from Chester Johnson > > The Wiley - Boyd Ledger > Bibb County, Alabama > Before 1823 - 1839 > A Genealogical Resource > > Printed by The Gregath Publishing Company, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Logan <moodylogan@windstream.net> > To: jkbrown2@knology.net; albibb@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:20 pm > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in > PresbyterianChurch/integrationinearly churches > > > > Grace, > I purchased a copy from a "cousin", and I am ashamed I cannot recall his > name: Thomas _____ He was related to the Wallace, > and, another fairly important family in River Bend, the names escape me at > this stage in my life...."besides, as a psycholifer, I was > trying to learn the inner being of my patients, not merely their > names"....Ha Ha, How easy it is to rationalize as we age.\\ > > I think that John has a good plan, and I would guess that a copy is in > Centreville Brent library. > > (The author did the translation, and sold a few books for a nominal > fee....Someone surely can tell us his name) > > don > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Grace, I purchased a copy from a "cousin", and I am ashamed I cannot recall his name: Thomas _____ He was related to the Wallace, and, another fairly important family in River Bend, the names escape me at this stage in my life...."besides, as a psycholifer, I was trying to learn the inner being of my patients, not merely their names"....Ha Ha, How easy it is to rationalize as we age.\\ I think that John has a good plan, and I would guess that a copy is in Centreville Brent library. (The author did the translation, and sold a few books for a nominal fee....Someone surely can tell us his name) don ----- Original Message ----- From: <jkbrown2@knology.net> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in PresbyterianChurch/integrationinearly churches > This is just a guess, but probably at Samford University library special > collections in Birmingham. They are a Baptist church archives. > > John > > > John K. Brown > jkbrown2@knology.net > > "Honesty is the Best Policy, but Insanity is a Better Defense." > > > On Thu 07/16/09 7:53 AM , gracieswartz@bellsouth.net sent: >> DON, WHERE DID YOU READ THE SCHULTZ CREEK CHURCH MINUTES? ARE THEY IN >> THE >> CENTREVILLLE LIBRARY? GRACE --IN TUSCALOOSA-------------- Original >> message from "Don Logan" moo >> dylogan@windstream.net>: -------------- >> >> > Melissa, >> > thank you for this information. Perhaps I was >> merely going back to my own > memory as a child or youngster, where >> everything >> > was separate: movie theatre entrances and seating >> areass, public restrooms > etc. I remember as a young lad an uncle and I >> would >> > go across town and stand outside a couple of Black >> churches and listen to > them, and once TV began, used to always follow a >> couple of Black church > services.... >> > >> > I have read the Schutz Creek Baptist Church >> records, and do not recall > mention of any slaves or Blacks. I was, >> however, >> more involved ihn > searching out some g, g, uncles so could have >> missed them. > >> > I will read further as you suggested, >> > thanks again. >> > >> > don >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Melissa Hogan" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:39 AM >> > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian >> Church/integration > inearly churches >> > >> > >> > > Don >> > > >> > > Pre-Civil War and even several years following >> the War, black slaves and > > whites worshiped in the same churches, but >> usually seated in different > > areas. The black slaves were not >> typically >> required to attend the same > > church as the white slave owner and some >> times >> attended another church in > > the area...most slave owners of the period >> felt >> it was their > > duty/responsibility to look after the spiritual >> health of the black slaves > > he owned. It was only post-Civil War that >> segregation of the races began > > in the churches. I do not recall >> seeing free >> blacks on the church > > registers pre-Civil War, but would not be >> suprised to find them as well. > > >> > > You will find that the records of Bibb County >> churches that have been > > published include both black and white >> members >> ... these membership lists > > can be of crucial significance to those >> research >> pre-Civil War slave > > ancestors. >> > > >> > > I highly recommend 'Hugh Davis and His Alabama >> Plantation" by Weymouth > > Jordan. The plantation was located in Perry >> County, adjacent to Bibb... > > Hugh Davis' journals begin in the 1830's >> and end >> with his death in 1862. > > His sons took over the plantation at that >> time >> and the book continues into > > reconstruction until the plantation is >> finally >> sold. The original papers > > of Hugh Davis used for this book are >> located at >> the University of > > Alabama. >> > > >> > >>From the "Guide to the Hugh Davis papers": >> > > http://www.lib.ua.edu/content/findingaids/pdf/ms_1611.pdf > > >> > > BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH: >> > > Hugh Davis, the son of Nathaniel and Martha >> Davis, was born on November > > 22, 1811, in Fayette County, Kentucky. He >> moved >> to Marion, Alabama, in > > 1834 and began a successful career as an >> attorney. Davis married Sarah > > Rachel Jones in 1839, and the couple >> had seven >> children. In 1848, Davis > > assumed the management of the Beaver Bend >> plantation along the Cahaba > > River, and upon his death in 1862, his >> sons >> continued to farm his land > > holdings. >> > > >> > > Part of this collection includes: >> > > >> > > FARM OPERATIONS, 1848-1880 >> > > Farm journals consist of six ledgers covering the >> years 1848-1854, > > 1854-1856, 1856-1858, 1859-1862, 1862-1866 (the >> estate of Hugh Davis), and > > 1880 (N.J. Davis, a son of Hugh Davis). >> The first >> five ledgers contain > > daily entries concerning plantation activities >> and crop production written > > by Hugh Davis and his overseers. Also >> included in >> the first five books are > > records of births, sick lists, amounts of >> cotton >> picked by slaves, amount > > of clothing purchased for each slave, >> records of >> profits, weather > > notations, rules for life on the plantation, and >> other information. The > > 1856-1858 book includes a list of newspapers >> taken by Hugh Davis in 1858. > > The 1862-1866 ledger begins with a >> detailed >> explanation of the system of > > farming at Beaver Bend. The 1880 book, >> maintained >> by N.J. Davis, includes > > notes of purchases made for the plantation, >> records of cash accounts, and > > information on individual accounts for >> workers. >> Also included is an > > 1849-1852 large pocket diary >> > > containing lists of purchases, lists of accounts, >> memorandums, and other > > information and an 1853-1858 large pocket >> diary >> that includes daily > > activities, lists of slaves, lists of purchases, >> notes on crop production, > > and records of family births. Also included >> are >> bills of sale for slaves > > and a copy of the 1845 Catechism of >> Agricultural >> Chemistry and Geology by > > James F.W. Johnson. >> > > >> > > Melissa >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:14 -0500 >> > > From: "Don Logan" >> > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in >> Presbyterian Church > > >> > > thank you for responding to my query. >> > > Alaexander is certainly one of the first listed, >> and he must have been an > > elder, along with two others: Potts, and >> Walace >> (sic). > > However, there apparently was another Clark >> family. > > >> > > I am not completely through the document; >> however, I have already seen > > where >> > > a black...I forget for whom she was enslaved. >> > > Still, I thouyght it unbelievable that a black >> slave could be baptised and > > accepted into membership in a White >> Church in the >> 1830s. > > >> > > don >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email to > > A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to > A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to A >> LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is just a guess, but probably at Samford University library special collections in Birmingham. They are a Baptist church archives. John John K. Brown jkbrown2@knology.net "Honesty is the Best Policy, but Insanity is a Better Defense." On Thu 07/16/09 7:53 AM , gracieswartz@bellsouth.net sent: > DON, WHERE DID YOU READ THE SCHULTZ CREEK CHURCH MINUTES? ARE THEY IN THE > CENTREVILLLE LIBRARY? GRACE --IN TUSCALOOSA-------------- Original message from "Don Logan" moo > dylogan@windstream.net>: -------------- > > > Melissa, > > thank you for this information. Perhaps I was > merely going back to my own > memory as a child or youngster, where everything > > was separate: movie theatre entrances and seating > areass, public restrooms > etc. I remember as a young lad an uncle and I would > > go across town and stand outside a couple of Black > churches and listen to > them, and once TV began, used to always follow a > couple of Black church > services.... > > > > I have read the Schutz Creek Baptist Church > records, and do not recall > mention of any slaves or Blacks. I was, however, > more involved ihn > searching out some g, g, uncles so could have > missed them. > > > I will read further as you suggested, > > thanks again. > > > > don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Melissa Hogan" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian > Church/integration > inearly churches > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > Pre-Civil War and even several years following > the War, black slaves and > > whites worshiped in the same churches, but > usually seated in different > > areas. The black slaves were not typically > required to attend the same > > church as the white slave owner and some times > attended another church in > > the area...most slave owners of the period felt > it was their > > duty/responsibility to look after the spiritual > health of the black slaves > > he owned. It was only post-Civil War that > segregation of the races began > > in the churches. I do not recall seeing free > blacks on the church > > registers pre-Civil War, but would not be > suprised to find them as well. > > > > > You will find that the records of Bibb County > churches that have been > > published include both black and white members > ... these membership lists > > can be of crucial significance to those research > pre-Civil War slave > > ancestors. > > > > > > I highly recommend 'Hugh Davis and His Alabama > Plantation" by Weymouth > > Jordan. The plantation was located in Perry > County, adjacent to Bibb... > > Hugh Davis' journals begin in the 1830's and end > with his death in 1862. > > His sons took over the plantation at that time > and the book continues into > > reconstruction until the plantation is finally > sold. The original papers > > of Hugh Davis used for this book are located at > the University of > > Alabama. > > > > > >>From the "Guide to the Hugh Davis papers": > > > http://www.lib.ua.edu/content/findingaids/pdf/ms_1611.pdf > > > > > BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH: > > > Hugh Davis, the son of Nathaniel and Martha > Davis, was born on November > > 22, 1811, in Fayette County, Kentucky. He moved > to Marion, Alabama, in > > 1834 and began a successful career as an > attorney. Davis married Sarah > > Rachel Jones in 1839, and the couple had seven > children. In 1848, Davis > > assumed the management of the Beaver Bend > plantation along the Cahaba > > River, and upon his death in 1862, his sons > continued to farm his land > > holdings. > > > > > > Part of this collection includes: > > > > > > FARM OPERATIONS, 1848-1880 > > > Farm journals consist of six ledgers covering the > years 1848-1854, > > 1854-1856, 1856-1858, 1859-1862, 1862-1866 (the > estate of Hugh Davis), and > > 1880 (N.J. Davis, a son of Hugh Davis). The first > five ledgers contain > > daily entries concerning plantation activities > and crop production written > > by Hugh Davis and his overseers. Also included in > the first five books are > > records of births, sick lists, amounts of cotton > picked by slaves, amount > > of clothing purchased for each slave, records of > profits, weather > > notations, rules for life on the plantation, and > other information. The > > 1856-1858 book includes a list of newspapers > taken by Hugh Davis in 1858. > > The 1862-1866 ledger begins with a detailed > explanation of the system of > > farming at Beaver Bend. The 1880 book, maintained > by N.J. Davis, includes > > notes of purchases made for the plantation, > records of cash accounts, and > > information on individual accounts for workers. > Also included is an > > 1849-1852 large pocket diary > > > containing lists of purchases, lists of accounts, > memorandums, and other > > information and an 1853-1858 large pocket diary > that includes daily > > activities, lists of slaves, lists of purchases, > notes on crop production, > > and records of family births. Also included are > bills of sale for slaves > > and a copy of the 1845 Catechism of Agricultural > Chemistry and Geology by > > James F.W. Johnson. > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:14 -0500 > > > From: "Don Logan" > > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in > Presbyterian Church > > > > > thank you for responding to my query. > > > Alaexander is certainly one of the first listed, > and he must have been an > > elder, along with two others: Potts, and Walace > (sic). > > However, there apparently was another Clark > family. > > > > > I am not completely through the document; > however, I have already seen > > where > > > a black...I forget for whom she was enslaved. > > > Still, I thouyght it unbelievable that a black > slave could be baptised and > > accepted into membership in a White Church in the > 1830s. > > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to A > LBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>From the Rockingham Co., NC mail list: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 From: eperkins2@aol.com Subject: [NCROCKHA] Drury Smith Descendants Reunion - July 19 It's time for the Annual Reunion for the Descendants of Drury Smith. Date & Time: Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 1:00 p.m. until 4:00 p.m. Location: Mayodan Methodist Church Fellowship Hall 501 W. Main Street, Mayodan, North Carolina 27027 The event is held on the third Sunday of July every year. If you can't come this year, mark your calendar and make plans for next year. The reunion has been a wonderful summer event for the last several years. Plan to attend and bring the family and friends. The gathering is a wonderful opportunity for family members to get together and compare notes, share photos and fellowship with other Smith descendants. Anyone who has questions concerning the Drury Smith family please let me know. I'll answer if I can. A few Drury Smith Family Books are still available: The Smith Family of Rockingham County, NC, Vol. 1: Descendants of Drury Smith, 640 pages. Get yours while they last. (Note: Books are shipped by the media mail rate via the U.S. Postal Service.) For more information please contact: Elvin E. Perkins, Jr. 1514 Friendly Chapel Road Greensboro, NC 27406-9044 Phone: (336) 698-0625 Email: Eperkins2@aol.com

DON, WHERE DID YOU READ THE SCHULTZ CREEK CHURCH MINUTES? ARE THEY IN THE CENTREVILLLE LIBRARY? GRACE --IN TUSCALOOSA -------------- Original message from "Don Logan" <moodylogan@windstream.net>: -------------- > Melissa, > thank you for this information. Perhaps I was merely going back to my own > memory as a child or youngster, where everything > was separate: movie theatre entrances and seating areass, public restrooms > etc. I remember as a young lad an uncle and I would > go across town and stand outside a couple of Black churches and listen to > them, and once TV began, used to always follow a couple of Black church > services.... > > I have read the Schutz Creek Baptist Church records, and do not recall > mention of any slaves or Blacks. I was, however, more involved ihn > searching out some g, g, uncles so could have missed them. > > I will read further as you suggested, > thanks again. > > don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melissa Hogan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church/integration > inearly churches > > > > Don > > > > Pre-Civil War and even several years following the War, black slaves and > > whites worshiped in the same churches, but usually seated in different > > areas. The black slaves were not typically required to attend the same > > church as the white slave owner and some times attended another church in > > the area...most slave owners of the period felt it was their > > duty/responsibility to look after the spiritual health of the black slaves > > he owned. It was only post-Civil War that segregation of the races began > > in the churches. I do not recall seeing free blacks on the church > > registers pre-Civil War, but would not be suprised to find them as well. > > > > You will find that the records of Bibb County churches that have been > > published include both black and white members ... these membership lists > > can be of crucial significance to those research pre-Civil War slave > > ancestors. > > > > I highly recommend 'Hugh Davis and His Alabama Plantation" by Weymouth > > Jordan. The plantation was located in Perry County, adjacent to Bibb... > > Hugh Davis' journals begin in the 1830's and end with his death in 1862. > > His sons took over the plantation at that time and the book continues into > > reconstruction until the plantation is finally sold. The original papers > > of Hugh Davis used for this book are located at the University of > > Alabama. > > > >>From the "Guide to the Hugh Davis papers": > > http://www.lib.ua.edu/content/findingaids/pdf/ms_1611.pdf > > > > BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH: > > Hugh Davis, the son of Nathaniel and Martha Davis, was born on November > > 22, 1811, in Fayette County, Kentucky. He moved to Marion, Alabama, in > > 1834 and began a successful career as an attorney. Davis married Sarah > > Rachel Jones in 1839, and the couple had seven children. In 1848, Davis > > assumed the management of the Beaver Bend plantation along the Cahaba > > River, and upon his death in 1862, his sons continued to farm his land > > holdings. > > > > Part of this collection includes: > > > > FARM OPERATIONS, 1848-1880 > > Farm journals consist of six ledgers covering the years 1848-1854, > > 1854-1856, 1856-1858, 1859-1862, 1862-1866 (the estate of Hugh Davis), and > > 1880 (N.J. Davis, a son of Hugh Davis). The first five ledgers contain > > daily entries concerning plantation activities and crop production written > > by Hugh Davis and his overseers. Also included in the first five books are > > records of births, sick lists, amounts of cotton picked by slaves, amount > > of clothing purchased for each slave, records of profits, weather > > notations, rules for life on the plantation, and other information. The > > 1856-1858 book includes a list of newspapers taken by Hugh Davis in 1858. > > The 1862-1866 ledger begins with a detailed explanation of the system of > > farming at Beaver Bend. The 1880 book, maintained by N.J. Davis, includes > > notes of purchases made for the plantation, records of cash accounts, and > > information on individual accounts for workers. Also included is an > > 1849-1852 large pocket diary > > containing lists of purchases, lists of accounts, memorandums, and other > > information and an 1853-1858 large pocket diary that includes daily > > activities, lists of slaves, lists of purchases, notes on crop production, > > and records of family births. Also included are bills of sale for slaves > > and a copy of the 1845 Catechism of Agricultural Chemistry and Geology by > > James F.W. Johnson. > > > > Melissa > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:52:14 -0500 > > From: "Don Logan" > > Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church > > > > thank you for responding to my query. > > Alaexander is certainly one of the first listed, and he must have been an > > elder, along with two others: Potts, and Walace (sic). > > However, there apparently was another Clark family. > > > > I am not completely through the document; however, I have already seen > > where > > a black...I forget for whom she was enslaved. > > Still, I thouyght it unbelievable that a black slave could be baptised and > > accepted into membership in a White Church in the 1830s. > > > > don > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Caroline. I think this is the wrong Mary. Thank you so much. I noticed there was a Stringfellow member of the church. Does anyone have any information on Stringfellow. a State representative, cousin of mine, things that John Hunt Logan mother was a Stringfellow.... I do not think so; rather a Hunt (Polly Hunt, married a John Logan in 1799 Cabarrus County, NC) and I believe John H Logan came to Alabama with his maternal uncle, John Hunt. I have not been able to find anything about his siblings or parents, however. don thank you caroline. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CAglaiaJ@aol.com> To: <albibb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [ALBIBB] Clark Family in Presbyterian Church > Don > I have the family group sheet that Vic Clark prepared. His information > came from Malcolm Fowler, Margaret Clark Floyd, research in Bibb Co. by > Mrs. > Frank Ross Stewart, Alexandr Clark's will and John Clark's will. Whole > family > moved May 1823 from Cumberland NC to Bibb Co. AL. Alexander Clark was the > son of Gilbert and Ann Alexander Clark. Alexander was born 25Feb 1762 > married 1785 and died around 1851. His wife's name was Marion McLean and > was a > cousin - father John McLean and mother Effie McCrainie. Their children > were > Mary Clark who married Malcolm McQueen - no further information on her, > John > Clark who married Mary V. King, Daniel Clark, Margaret (Peggy) Clark who > never married, Effie Clark who married a Lee, Ann Clark who married Robert > Fleming and James Clark that married Mary Jane Mason. Mary Clark is not > mentioned in either wills. I have quite a bit of information on the church > and > orginal members. The church orginally met in the home of Robert Fleming. > Sorry no more on Mary Clark. > Carolyn > **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu > slove00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALBIBB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >