I am a direct descendant of Peter N. WOLF/WOLfE, born September 25, 1850 and Sarah B. VEHR, born October 3, 1851 in Russia. They are my Great Great Grandparents. Members of the Wolfe clan are looking for information on this family so they can renew old relationships, create new ones, and publish a family book. Since they twisted my arm, (not very hard, mind you) I have agreed to publish it if there is enough interest from family members. But it¹s impossible to do it without contacting as many family members as possible. In order to be as complete and accurate as possible, we need their help. €pictures €stories €full birth/death/marriage dates And we¹re hoping to get as much information as possible before the end of March, 2002. It¹s our intention to have the book completely finished by December 2002. As for costs ... it all depends on the amount of interest from the members themselves. The more books that are ordered, the cheaper they become. If you belong to this WOLFE clan, or if you have information about them, or know of a person who would have the information, please send it to: Viola Beck P.O. Box 2212 Yellowknife, NWT X1A 2P6 Canada And please, don¹t be shy about sending this notice to as many members of the Wolfe clan as possible. We certainly don¹t know everyone and all of their addresses, but we will appreciate any help you can give us. P.S.: If you want to help on this project, you will make my day! The following are names and addresses of people who have already signed up to help. Mrs. Margaretha Gerbrandt Box 373 La Crete, Alberta T0H 2H0 Mrs. Katie Wolfe Box 670 La Crete, Alberta T0H 2H0 Mrs. Marge Neudorf Box 567 La Crete, Alberta T0H 2H0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Viola Elaine Beck Yellowknife, NWT (next door to Santa) Home of the NMI Canadian Championship Dog Derby Surnames on my pedigree: BANMAN, BARTEL, BERG, BOSCHMAN, BUHR, DE FEHR/DE VEER/FEHR/VEHR, DUECK/DYCK/VAN DIJCK, ENSZ/ENNS/ENS, ESAU, FALK, FAUST, GIESBRECHT, GINTER, GOERTZEN, HARDER, HARASVEGER, HIEBERT, KLASSEN, KLIEWER, KROEKER, KRUEGER/KROEGER, LEOPPKY/LOEPPKY/LEPPKI, LETKEMAN, LOEWENS, MARTENS, NEUFELD, NIEBUHR, PENNER, REDEKOPP, REIMER, UNGER, VON ROY, WABERSTEIN, WIEBE, WIENS, WOLF/WOLFE. During the most stressful times in my life, I learned my most valued lessons. v

Dear Senator Poy. Thank you for your message of support for Senator Milne's Bill S-12. It is greatly appreciated. I will get your position on the website updated as soon as possible. In the meantime I am posting your message and this response to a number of genealogy mail lists. This should slow down the number of messages your receive indicating you are 'undecided'. Thank you again for your support. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poy, Vivienne: SEN" <POYV@SEN.PARL.GC.CA> To: <gordon_watts@telus.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Bill S-12 Dear Mr. Watts: Please be assured that I support Senator Lorna Milne's Bill S-12 which proposes the release to the public, of post 1901 Census Records, 92 years after they were recorded. Best regards, Vivienne Poy Please Note: Please update your website as I am continuing to receive letters indicating that I am undecided on this issue.

I have a book, Oxen Tails to Jet Trails: " This is a historical book of stories and pictures, about people and events from the earliest pioneers to the present day ( 1981) residents within ranges 3 and 4 and the west section of range 2, west of the 4th meridian, from Highway no.16 on the north to the Battle river on the south." This is an area south of Vermilion, Islay and Kitscoty. It is a small area, but the book has 1021 pages including photos at the back of war veterans. If you have ancestors, or descendants that you would like me to look up I will. Lottie

Greetings All. My apologies in advance for the length of this posting. I copy below, for your information, my verbal presentation of 19 September to the Senate Committee that is reviewing Senator Milne's Bill S-12. There was more to it, not included in this post, in responding to questions. I am working on adding the entire proceedings to the Post 1901 Census Project website, located at the URL following my signature. I will post to the lists when that has been completed. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Gordon Watts: Honourable senators, I am one of the common people, and as such I am sure you will forgive me for being a little nervous here today. It is my pleasure to come before you in support of Bill S-12, an Act to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act. The first decade of the 20th century saw the greatest influx of immigrants in the history of Canada. From 1900 to 1910, 1,819,930 immigrants from 49 different ethnic origins came to Canada. From 1911 to 1920 a further 1,573,432 came. Another 498,752 came between 1921 to 1925. Without access to historical census records, descendents of many of these immigrants will never know where their ancestors originated. It has been estimated that 7.5 million people in Canada, to one degree or another, have an interest in genealogy and family history. I speak on behalf of those people. Let me make it clear at the outset, genealogists and historians do not seek to obtain something new. What we seek is something 'old'. 'Old' both in respect of the information involved and in the fact that it is something that we have had in the past. We seek something that has been taken away from us because of misinterpreted legislation, and the fact that a few paranoid government bureaucrats feel that someone, at some time, might decide to look at records that may contain information about their ancestors. Unfortunately, those bureaucrats have control over the records we seek. 235 years of census records, all that have survived, from the first census of New France conducted in 1666 by Jean Talon, up to and including the 1901 census of Canada reside in and are under control of the national Archives. As such, they are available to any person or body for purposes of research. Copies of these records are available for purchase by libraries, genealogical and historical societies, and individuals. We suggest that access to 235 years of records constitutes a substantial precedent. We see no reason that access to subsequent censuses should now be withheld. Obviously, Statistics Canada has a different view. They claim that as far back as 1905, the people of Canada were given promises and guarantees of confidentiality that a census would last forever. They have been unable to substantiate these claims. Access to Information Requests for documented evidence of the existence of such promises and guarantees were submitted. Statistics Canada has been unable to produce any such evidence. Under our system of democracy, change in legislation takes place because of representations made to the government by the people. This is done through representatives elected by the people. It is the reason we are here today. During the 36th Parliament of Canada, representation made by the people resulted in the appointment of the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records. An educated guess regarding the number of signatures on letters, e-mails, submissions to the expert panel, and petitions seeking to regain public access to historical census records would be in excess of 16,000. During the current Parliament, in excess of 22,000 signatures have been collected on petitions alone to the House of Commons and to the Senate. These figures are added to daily. There has been no corresponding representation to the government by people opposing access. Of the reported 95 submissions sent to the expert panel, only two opposed access to these records. One simply objected to the concept of breaking the promise he believed had been made. The other was a submission by the National Statistics Council, complete with a list of council members. Prominently displayed below the name of the chairperson of the council is the name of ex-officio member Dr.Ivan P. Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada. It is a foregone conclusion that any organization associated with Dr.Fellegi would oppose access. Dr. Fellegi and StatsCan would have you believe that knowledge and information provided in a census released 92 years in the future would cause respondents to be reluctant to answer questions or to answer them truthfully. by Environics Research Group that were conducted by StatsCan on behalf of the expert panel did not bear this out. Responses to the question in these surveys remained positive, even after having it unduly stressed that promises of never-ending confidentiality had been made. Reading these surveys, it is obvious that StatsCan manipulated the questions and information provided in a blatant effort to obtain a negative response. It did not work. Bill S-12 has been very well thought out. It will satisfy the concerns of those that seek public access to historic census. It should also satisfy those people who have concerns regarding confidentiality of personal information given in response to census. The delay of 92 years before release to the public provides a reasonable balance between privacy concerns and the need of genealogists and historians for information that no source other than census can provide. This delay is consistent with the provisions of regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act of Canada. The position of total closure of these records as espoused by Statistics Canada and the Privacy Commissioner provides no balance whatsoever. The people of Canada have spoken. They wish to regain the public access to post-1901 census records on the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 have been, and continue to be, accessible. There should be no discrimination of records up to and including 1901 and those that follow. We call upon the committee to support Bill S-12 without modification. We further call upon the government to accept Bill S-12 as a government bill. That concludes what I had intended as my original verbal submission. I have a couple of comments that I would like to make. I found very interesting the reference by Mr. Sheridan to town hall meetings, which are something that is totally new. On December15, 2000, Industry Minister Tobin announced that further broad-based discussions with all Canadians would take place in conjunction with the ongoing reviews of the Privacy Act and the Access to Information Act. Mr. Gaffield and I were told face-to-face, on March 26, by members of the Access to Information Act Review Task Force, not to expect much to be said [about Census] in their final report, because it was not part of their mandate. They were never told that a review of Census should be something they should consider or make recommendations regarding. I have tried numerous times to receive clarification from both Minister Tobin and Justice Minister McLellan, on just what, when, where and by whom these discussions would take place. We have not received a response from either of them, and we have had no acknowledgement of our correspondence with them. We have put in Access to Information requests to both ministers for this information. Statistics Canada has stated that they needed a further delay of 30 to 60 days in order to comply with my request. The day before coming out here, I received a letter from the Minister of Justice's ATI officer stating that they needed a further 130 days. In my view, this is just another example of their great reluctance to have anything to do with our concerns regarding this census issue.

Hi: Could someone advise of the address and telephone number of the authority that holds estates files in Alberta for the 1980s. Procedure to obtain copy and cost would be appreciated. Thanks. John genie@v-wave.com

On September 6, 2001 Pam Crowell sent a message regarding the Stearns family. I made a copy of her message, but I deleted the item later and am now unable to make contact with her, as I do not have her e-mail address. I have located the Acme History Book which she inquired about, and note that their is significant information about the Stearns family in it. Can you please have her make contact with me ? Thanks Fred Mellen

This list has been so helpful, I hate to ask another question but find that I must. In Alberta, are probate records public records and can anyone have access to the documents in a file? This is a file from 1996. I am still needing data on the CHARLES COOMBS. His estate has the Public Trustee as administrator. Again, thanks for all your help. Pat in Oregon

Hi Everybody, My name is Arthur CHITTENDEN and I am working on a one-name study - worldwide. Any information, no matter how brief, will be greatly appreciated. I shall be happy to assist other CHITTENDEN seekers by doing lookups, and where possible putting them in contact with other researchers of our name. Best Wishes Arthur, Sydney Australia.

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Hi all: Is there another newspaper in Camrose other than the Camrose Canadian? Looking for an obituary from 1996 and the Canadian advises they do not have it. Thanks Pat

Having surgery tomorrow morning, be back asap. In the meantime, thank you all for the help I have received from this list. Pat Gunson Ontario

Greetings All. I have just finished tabulating the latest batch of Census petitions for the House of Commons. The total I will be presenting to MP Murray Calder during the coming week is an additional 2565 signatures. The provincial totals are as follows: Previous Current Total BC 1191 753 1944 AB 4915 396 5311 SK 536 140 676 MN 149 112 261 ON 1121 648 1769 PQ 304 244 548 NB 337 55 392 NS 384 136 400 PE 60 39 99 NF 166 42 208 YT 7 00 14 NT 00 00 00 NUN 00 00 00 ========================= Totals 9170 2565 11735 Additionally, I have 393 signatures for the Senate and 4 non-resident signatures I will be sending to Muriel. With the totals of 10,782 signatures for the Senate that Muriel posted recently, the total number of signatures collected since the Federal election is now 23,004. Signatures gathered during the last administration on petitions, letters, email, and submissions to the Expert Panel on Access to Historical Census Records are estimated to be in excess of 16,000. We have not gathered anywhere near the numbers of signatures on petitions protesting the gun laws brought in during the last parliament, but our numbers are growing. Petitions are still needed, as are letters and email to MPs, Senators and Ministers Tobin and Copps. We have not succeeded in our goal yet, and we must not become complacent, thinking that the battle is over and done with. It will not be so until we have regained the public access to Post 1901 Census Records on the same basis as we have for Census Records up to and including 1901. A word of caution regarding the petitions. A relatively small number of signatures that have been sent in will likely be disqualified by the government scrutineers. The reasons for this range from having signatures on a piece of foolscap that does not have the 'prayer' of the petition at the top; changes made to the wording of the petition - particularly to the 'prayer'; extra sections (not having the 'prayer' on it) taped or stapled to petition form; and not using the proper petitions, i.e. non-residents using the resident forms, and vice-versa. The government has specific rules regarding petitions and disregarding them causes signatures or whole petitions to be voided. As indicated this affects a relatively small number of signatures that may be lost, but we do not wish to lose any. We have received a number of petitions containing only a single signature. While we are grateful for all signatures, even singles, we would encourage everyone to gather at least a few extras before sending them in. For those who have been concerned that I would be walking the streets of Ottawa without a hotel room on Tuesday, I received confirmation today that I now have a room for Tuesday in addition to the previous booking for Wednesday to Saturday. So no walking the streets for me, except that necessary to attend the Senate Hearing meetings, deliver the petitions to MP Murray Calder, and visit Senator Milne. I am looking forward the the Senate Hearings on Bill S-12. Like many things since I became interested in regaining public access to Census records, it will be a new experience for me. I hope that I can live up to expectations. I look forward to seeing National Archivist Ian Wilson and fellow panelist Chad Gaffield, one of the Expert Panel appointed by John Manley, both of whom I met briefly on my trip to Ottawa in March. Having the Senate Committee pass, and hopefully recommend acceptance of Bill S-12 is just one more step in the process. If they do so it will still have to pass third reading in the Senate. Having passed the Senate it must then receive first and second reading in the House of Commons, pass a review by a House Committee with their recommendations to accept, and finally pass third reading in the House of Commons. Having passed in both Houses it will receive Royal Assent and become law, giving us the access to Historic Census Records that we seek -- assuming that somewhere in the process described amendments have not been made that would nulify the intent of the Bill. Having the government accept Bill S-12 as a government Bill would likely assure it's passing. I will report on the proceedings of the Senate Committee hearings later in the week. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en francais http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

I recently signed onto this list and need help. I am looking for CHARLES COOMBS, born January 20, 1911 and died in Camrose October 13, 1996. I would like to get his obituary and learn where he is buried. It is believed that his parents were William (b: 1865) and Margaret Hanna (b:1875) COOMBS, who may have moved to Alberta before 1920. If anyone has information about Charles, William or Margaret I would appreciate hearing from you, or addresses where I can write for any information. TIA Pat in Oregon

To all:- Many may have missed me -- but I have been away, getting the computer in shape for lots of work ahead of all of us. Although ALBERTA leads in collection of census petition signatures, I have put together the following list -- many collected by Alberta -- but other provinces. The numbers represent the total signatures given to Senator Lorna Milne to date -- including the Non-Resident ones. Senator Milne needs signatures NOW --- download the updated petition form(s) -- remembering the same person in Canada may sign both Senate and House of Commons -- whether English or French. If you have a colour printer, download the "knock 'em in the eye" poster Gordon has put on the site. Please do not gripe about adding Adobe Acrobat -- it is a small program, and even government documents are now in FDP format. I am just starting at the West Coast -- not in order of numbers:- BRITISH COLUMBIA*******1257 ALBERTA*****************4695 SASKATCHEWAN********* 732 MANITOBA*************** 155 ONTARIO*****************1403 QUEBEC****************** 462 NEW BRUNSWICK********* 543 NOVA SCOTIA************ 321 PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND** 64 NEWFOUNDLAND********* 171 NUNAVUT/NWT/YUKON*** 0 *********TOTAL CANADIAN********* 9803 NON-CANADIAN********************1069 Total to Senator Milne for Senate = 10, 872 Next memo will have this past week's totals -- a Non-Resident one from Geneva, Switzerland!!! William Allen of Nova Scotia is sending both English and French, as he lives in the Tusket and Yarmouth area. Keep the mail box filled -- we all need to continue our family research. Muriel M. Davidson <davidson3542@home.com> Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 25 Crestview Avenue Brampton, ON L6W 2R8 Phone: 905/451-3542 Cell: 905/867-9799 Download: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm Learn more: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/ Join the Census Campaign list -- use only one word subscribe CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com

I received the following from a friend on September 8. It has been truly amazing to know that so many of you are like the sixth horseman this past week. Diana, San Diego, CA > Henry Drummond said, "The moments when you have really lived > are the moments when you have done things in the spirit of love." > > > This apocryphal story comes from Zig Ziglar's book, See You At > The Top (Pelican Publishing Co.,1982) about an old man who > stood on a Virginia riverbank many years ago. He was waiting to > cross the river and, since it was bitterly cold and there were no > bridges, he would have to "catch a ride" to the other side. After > a lengthy wait he spotted a group of horsemen approaching. He let > the first one pass, then the second, third, fourth and fifth. One > rider remained. As he drew abreast, the old man looked him in the > eye and said, "Sir, would you give me a ride across the river?" > > The rider immediately replied, "Certainly." Once across the > river, the old man slid to the ground. "Sir," the rider said > before leaving. "I could not help but notice that you permitted > all the other men to pass without asking for a ride. Then, when I > drew abreast, you immediately asked me to carry you across. I am > curious as to why you didn't ask them and you did ask me." > > The old man quietly responded, "I looked into their eyes and > could see no love and knew in my own heart it would be useless to > ask for a ride. But when I looked into your eyes, I saw > compassion, love and the willingness to help. I knew you would be > glad to give me a ride across the river." > > The rider was touched. "I'm grateful for what you are saying," he > said. "I appreciate it very much." With that, Thomas Jefferson* > turned and rode off to the White House. > > Ziglar reminds us that our eyes are the windows of our souls. > Then he asks a pointed question: "If you had been the last rider, > would the old man have asked you for a ride?" > > A good question! For it is said that others will know us by our > love. Some will see it in the things we do and some in the things > we say. And a few perceptive souls, like the old man, may catch a > glimmer of a loving and generous spirit in the expression of kind > eyes. > > However it shows, may you be known by your love. > > > From TOUCHING MOMENTS by Steve Goodier > * perhaps

There has been a lot of complaints of late about off topic messages but i think this is one topic that must be allowed. We need to use this space to send our heartfelt sympathies to our American friends and Families. We sincerely hope that there will be no more, our thoughts are with you all at this most terrible of times. Your friends across the Atlantic send their warmest wishes to you all. With sombre regards Gary.

Hello, Everyone! I was wondering, if the Vital Stats is available on-line. If so, please, would someone send me the site? Thank you very much. Shannah

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LARSON, LARSEN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TNC.2ACI/176.180.472.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Lillian, I got your message regarding my posting. I have found most of my Larson family back quite a ways into Norway. Over in America (Wisconsin, Minnesota etc) they were listed as LARSON... but all the records in Norway records have them listed as LARSEN. I find that the census takers here did a sloppy job of recording names.. perhaps because of accents, or they just didn't care for the immigrants... who knows? I remember seeing a posting on the Norway List that I was subscribed to for quite some time, so I did a search of their archives and here is a copy of the posting. I think you will see that there were some generalities, but no rule set in stone on the "sen vs. son" naming mystery. Hope this helps you out some. Terry CNIDR <http://www.cnidr.org/> Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 656) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:08:24 -0500 To: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: son vs sen On the Rogaland bydelag I noticed the last names end in son. Elsewhere they end in sen. What's the difference between the two? Of my eight uncles in the US, 3 were born in Norway, one of them from Norway spelled his last name son and the rest of the family was livid about it. Before he died he changed it back to sen and peace was restored in the family. > son are mostly used in Sweden and UK. > sen are mostly used in Norway and Denmark. The spelling -son was also very common in Norway, especially a century or more ago. And that's when a lot of Norwegians came to America. I grew up in an area predominantly settled by Americans of Norwegian descent, and in this area "-sen" is generally associated with the Danish minority. Upon arriving in the states a lot of sen's was changed to son's. So there was often no change in coming to the states. Generally, if you are talking about a century or more ago, there generally wasn't any well-established concept of a "right" spelling in any case. One person might write it down -sen, and another person would write it -son. Of course, it was often clergy writing the names down, and they were often trained in Denmark. Even among the 6 bygdebøker for the island of Karmøy from which some of my ancestors came, the first bygdebok (for Torvastad, written ca. 1980) used the spelling -son throughout, while the later ones all use the -sen spelling throughout (they might vary from their respective conventions for 20th century names, but few of them are mentioned).

Hi everyone: According to the Alberta Genealogical Society Cemetery Report, one of my relatives, Ronald CUSACK is buried in the Edmonton Cemetery. He died 07/ JUL/1951. If any one would be able to obtain his obit for me, would they please contact me at lindahaz@borg.com so we could make arrangements for the look up. Thanks so much Linda Hazelden

Goodmorning Alberta I am searching the name "Little" and now have info some ended up in Alberta ,this is what I have and mabye someone can connect with it.- Joseph A Little 1852-1890 Born Brant County Ont.,married Margart E Craddock 1856-1940, around 1880 they moved to Portage LaPrairie ,Manitoba,Joseph died 1890 ,Margart Moved to Winnipeg MB,listed 1901 census as widow with 3 children, Ernest Mowatt 1882-1952 ,Mable C 1886 and Miles G 1889,Ernest was my Grandfathr and I know alot about him,it is the other 2 I am looking for Mable I know nothing about except she may have had a son named Doug who was killed in the war,if I knew her married name I could probably find her through the war graves. Miles G ,I have info he had 5 children,one of whom lives in Thorsby Albt.,her name is Georgie and she is married to a Jack Tupper,I can't find them in Can 411,. If any of this rings a bell with anybody ,or if one of you who see this lives in Thorsby I sure would like to hear from you. Have a nice day Jim Little in PEI