Hi there, Sorry to post this to the list but I had this returned. Lois this is for you. Take care, Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Hildebrand" <kriscoral@nucleus.com> To: <lois.mcnaught@home.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: Fw: [ALBERTA] offering lookup > Hi Lois, > Sorry for delay in getting back to you. I had almost 150 requests come > through and have been doing them in the order in which they were recieved. I > also didn't do much in Nov and Dec...my business is in high season then. So > I am now back at it and hopefully seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. > I have checked both books and this is all that is listed in them..... > McNaught, Lena nee Blaser, birth trans 1880/1951, ref # 69.204-27-4732 > Sending anyway incase there could be some connection. I will be attending > the library in the spring to go through the archives. I will gladly check > for you there, but it will be sometime yet. All the best in 2002, take care, > Elaine in Alberta, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois McNaught" <lois.mcnaught@home.com> > To: "Elaine Hildebrand" <kriscoral@nucleus.com> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 5:59 AM > Subject: Re: [ALBERTA] offering lookup > > > > Hi Elaine, > > > > Thanks very much for your kind offer. I am wondering if there are any of > > the McNAUGHT family in your books. I know my Great-uncle Mathew McNaught > > was one of the first homesteaders in Southern Alberta before 1900, and > > others lived there afterwards. > > > > Any information you can give me will be very much appreciated. > > > > Lois McNaught > > Hamilton, Ontario

Hi all, Sorry for posting this to the list, but the email above didn't go through. This is for you Pam if you are still on the list. Thx, Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Hildebrand" <kriscoral@nucleus.com> To: <pcrowell@santacruz.k.12.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: Fw: [ALBERTA] offering lookup > Hi Pam, > Sorry about the lateness in this reply. I had almost 150 requests and > working in order in which they came in. I also didn't do much for lookups in > latter Nov and Dec...my business is seasonal and its busy for me. I checked > both books for you. No names of Bubb, but that does not mean there is no > info for them here. I am planning on a trip to the library archives in the > spring. Will look there for you unless you have already found your info, > just let me know. All the best in 2002, take care, Elaine in Alberta, Canada

Hello. How many miles from Spruse Grove to Lac la Biche, AB.? Do not say i would come but by choice i would in a heart beat!!! So am wondering how far apart these two areas are? Thank you. Viola.

Good Morning, Walter:- The last available census is the 1901 release --and very possibly, depending on dates of birth, your father and siblings would be on that. There is Census Department where one may obtain information at $$$ per person -- but we are asking for FREE release -- if some company made a CD of Queens County, Nova Scotia, I might be the first to buy it. We do have Non-Resident petitions, but with Senator Lorna Milne's S-12 Bill in Third Reading stage, debate and vote, would you like to send a letter to her? Start the letter The Hon. Lorna Milne, Senator Senate of Canada Ottawa, ON K1A 0A4 Simply start the letter "Dear Senator Milne:-" add your ADDRESS Letters may be read in Senate but NOT the name. Check http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score1.htm#AB Check for MP of area which includes High River. Contact him/her. Muriel M. Davidson muriel.davidson@rogers.com Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee =====> > I was born in California where I am still living. My father was raised in > High River, Alberta after migrating there prior to 1908 from Glengarry, > Ontario with his parents and siblings. > > My research is almost at a standstill without the release of the census data > from Alberta from 1911. My grandmother died in February 1912 in High River > which would be the last census information ever available for her. Five of > my father's younger siblings would also be listed in the 1911 census (all > now deceased)having been born after the April 1901 census for Kenyon > Township, Glengarry. > > The 1930 census for the USA will be released this year. This is in contrast > to the "battle" having to be waged by my Canadian cousins and those of you > on this list for the release of the census. > > Walter Wheeler

Good Morning Walter, You and your family can help with the Census Campaign. Letters and Petitions from people outside of Canada are most welcome,perhaps they may even have more impact on this Campaign than those from those from Canadians alone http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Petition.htm http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Download/Noncanpt.pdf Please Help with the Post 1901 Census Campaign.for Canada. We May Never See the 1906 -1911 > Census for Canada. An important issue to others Worldwide who may find they have Genealogy Interests in Canada. Letters and Petitions would be a great help. http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/index.htm Mail List: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN.html Happy New Year 2002. Cheers, Stella At 06:45 PM 1/10/02 +0000, Walter Wheeler wrote: >I was born in California where I am still living. My father was raised in >High River, Alberta after migrating there prior to 1908 from Glengarry, >Ontario with his parents and siblings. > >My research is almost at a standstill without the release of the census >data from Alberta from 1911. My grandmother died in February 1912 in High >River which would be the last census information ever available for >her. Five of my father's younger siblings would also be listed in the >1911 census (all now deceased)having been born after the April 1901 census >for Kenyon Township, Glengarry. > >The 1930 cenus for the USA will be released this year. This is in >contrast to the "battle" having to be waged by my Canadian cousins and >those of you on this list for the release of the census. > >Walter Wheeler > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >==== ALBERTA Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ALBERTA-L, e-mail to: >ALBERTA-L-request@rootsweb.com In the body type only: unsubscribe >(Turn OFF signature file and leave subject line blank) >

Good point! If the government of Canada made this promise to ALL CANADIANS, then surely there would be ample evidence of this in any newspaper from that time. If they actually made a promise of this magnitude, why can't they find one shred of evidence to support this claim? What is the government of Canada hoping to achieve by continuing with this lie? I cannot fathom why a public document that is so obviously important to millions of people is being kept hidden from them. Keep up the good fight and lets hope common sense prevails! > The fact is that NO PROMISE WAS EVER MADE that confidentiality of Census > would last FOREVER -- IT DOES NOT EXIST!! > > It does not appear in any legislation, either past or present. It does > not appear in any issue of the Canada Gazette. It does not appear in > any Proclamation of the Governor General in Council. It is not reported > in Hansard for debates of the House of Commons or the Senate. It does > not appear in any media accounts that have been found relating to the > 1906 or 1911 Censuses. IT DOES NOT EXIST!! > Surely, if a single piece of documented > evidence existed that would substantiate this mythical "promise", Chief > Statistician Ivan Fellegi would leap at the chance to produce it.

Hi. The Instructions to Enumerators are quite lengthy in several cases. I have transcribed several of those instructions into Acrobat PDF files in preparation for my submission to the Expert Panel on Access to Historic Census (The Myths of Census). I have transcribed them for 1871, 1891, 1901, 1906, 1911, 1916, 1921, 1926, 1931, 1936, and 1941. I will work today at putting together a page for the Post 1901 Census Project website (at the URL following my signature) on which links to the Adobe files will be available. Until that page is loaded, I will be willing, for speakers at the Town Hall meetings ONLY, on request to send these files attached to an email. I repeat -- speakers only. If I am inundated with requests from non-speakers I will not be able to get the web page done. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Terry Brooks" <rwbrooks@accesswave.ca> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [CCC] Federal Court Action Hi Lois Would it be possible to publish on line the instructions to the enumerators for 1891 , 1901 1906 and 1911 . The object would be to add some potent ammunition for those who are yet to present at the upcoming Town Hall meetings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Sparling" <lsparling@shaw.ca> To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: [CCC] Federal Court Action > Well I would like to do some more venting before I settle down to > drafting a restrained, proper Action focused on the law and not my > personal frustration and disappointment with the "Powers that Be". > > Our current Chief Statistician did try to prevent the release of the > 1901 census. The Justice Department lawyers told him he had to release > it but he grabbed onto a legal opinion that there was a technical > difference between the instructions to the enumerators for the 1906 and > 1911 census. The wording was identical to the 1891 and 1901 census but > it was passed as a regulation by the Cabinet. This gave those > instructions "the force of law". The Chief Statistician seized on the > part of those instructions which told the enumerators to reassure any > who asked that the individual census returns would be kept > confidential. This is the holy PROMISE TO OUR ANCESTORS Statistics > Canada goes on and on about. Unfortunately for the Chief Statistician's > legal position, another part of those same instructions state that the > census returns form a part of the historical record of Canada and would > be turned over to the National Archives. Both parts have equal "force > of law". > > Does anyone have difficulty following my line of reasoning. Can you all > predict the ending to this story? Doesn't take a law degree, does it. > > Once we, the Good Guys, read those instructions and found the part about > the census returns going to the National Archives, we won. > Unfortunately, the opposition won't concede defeat. Instead of a > tactical retreat and circling the wagons around the 1916 and later > census, the opposition has decided to don black hats, put their pride > and reputation(s) on the line and stall shamelessly. > > These town hall meetings also seem to be adding up to a shameless > display. Do Statistics Canada and Environics think we won't notice such > transparent attempts to manipulate the results of this further > consultation? Have they no regard for their reputations? I guess not. > Maybe they think we, the humble non-statisticians, are stupid. Maybe > they think those others, the humble reporters, are endlessly gullible > and that no one reads the letters to the editor which each new item > provokes. > > Anyway, here we are, forced to raise money for a court case to compel > the Chief Statistician to comply with the National Arcivist's lawful > request to turn over the 1906 census. Will I actually have to stand up > in Court to argue this? Will I be able to keep a straight face if I do? > > And no, I will not be seeking costs against any civil servant, > personally. We, the taxpayer, will have to foot the bill. What a > waste! > > Lois Sparling > > P.S. There are now 3 lawyers with a variety of expertise working with me > on this. > > > ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe from Digest Mode. Send a message to > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains > (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command > -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.312 / Virus Database: 173 - Release Date: 31/12/01 ==== CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe from Mail Mode. Send a message to CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the Subject line and body of the message) the command -- unsubscribe -- and no additional text.

Greetings All. FYI Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon A. Watts To: letters@thegazette.southam.ca Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Old census data may soon go public Editor: Montreal Gazette Sir: Re: Ann Carroll's article (Montreal Gazette 9 January 2002) regarding Town Hall Meetings on public access to Historic Census records. I am infuriated every time I hear representatives of Statistics Canada making reference to a "PROMISE" of confidentiality of Census that lasts "FOREVER". I am further infuriated by media reports that promote this "promise" without questioning it's existence. The fact is that NO PROMISE WAS EVER MADE that confidentiality of Census would last FOREVER -- IT DOES NOT EXIST!! It does not appear in any legislation, either past or present. It does not appear in any issue of the Canada Gazette. It does not appear in any Proclamation of the Governor General in Council. It is not reported in Hansard for debates of the House of Commons or the Senate. It does not appear in any media accounts that have been found relating to the 1906 or 1911 Censuses. IT DOES NOT EXIST!! An Access to Information request was submitted to Statistics Canada for any and all documented evidence of such a "promise". Not one piece of such evidence was forthcoming. Surely, if a single piece of documented evidence existed that would substantiate this mythical "promise", Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi would leap at the chance to produce it. Dr. Fellegi will have his chance to "put his money where his mouth is". Initial steps have been taken to bring a public interest action to Federal Court to force the transfer of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to the National Archives. Once under the control of the National Archives it will be subject to the Privacy Act and Regulations attached thereto, and will subsequently be accessible by the public, 92 years after collection. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC Tel 604-942-6889 http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TNC.2ACI/1809.1.1 Message Board Post: To Grace, E-mail me and perhaps we can share info. Alice Paige alicepaige@bigfoot.com

To Peter Goldring, MP:- I would really like to see all BLUE ????? dumped in the recycle bin -- we need your support IF we ever want to see the 1906 and 1911 and later census records. Murray Calder's C-312 was declared Non-Votable by a committee, the chairlady has since resigned -- 14 bills dumped in 15 minutes. However, Murray Calder is still working and will have one hour of debate about end of February. Senator Lorna Milne's S-12 Bill is in Third Reading, more debate, vote and we hope it comes to the House of Commons. QUESTION:- Will YOU be supportive of census release, with records automatically transferred to National Archives of Canada. Please let us know -- this memo will be posted on your memo board. Muriel M. Davidson davidson3542@rogers.com Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Score1.htm#AB

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Everett Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TNC.2ACI/1933 Message Board Post: Hello Everybody!! I am looking for ANY information on Everett's in Dorset. I am trying to make some kind connection with Everett's in the county of Dorset. My Everett's descended from a Thomas Everett and a Maria Lane, who were married in 1842. If you have any information on any Everett's in Dorset, I would appreciate it. Thanks Kelly Sydney, Australia

Do a google search of Canada411 . You would have alot to choose from. Seems I once came across a site for adoptees once, can't remember where somebody might know, The rules have changed so much....... Good Luck!

Anyone knowing the new location of Dave or Lina Kantor please contact: Jeff Stanek jeff_stanek@centennial.k12.or.us or Ellen Elhcc@aol.com They were in Edmonton, but their address and phone # are no longer working. Thank you, Ellen In Oregon Elhcc@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TNC.2ACI/1932 Message Board Post: Does anyone know Sandra Jean Worley. She is my Mom. I was born in Atlanta Gorgia on Dec.28 1962. I have 2 sisters and 1 brother. If anyone knows anything at all please write to me at spi619@home.com. We were given up for adoption at a young age....She has a Brother named Delbert Worley....

Greetings all. I have had some reports from those who attended the Town Hall Meetings on Monday, with some more to come. A number of those writing me have expressed the opinion that the first two speakers of the afternoon session, who spoke against access, were government 'plants'. I do not yet know their names or positions but at this time I am led to believe that they were employees of a statistical agency of the Nova Scotia Government. I know for a fact that for the Ottawa meetings, a Privacy researcher and consultant was 'invited' to appear and speak. He contacted me before the meeting to advise me of his 'invitation'. It must have been a shock to StatCan to find that this individual did not come out in opposition to access of the 1906 and 1911 Censuses. We will be watching with interest to see how many other meetings have 'invited' participants, particularly those who who work for the various statistical agencies of the governments, either federally or provincially. So much for the stated desire to hear the opinions of 'ordinary' Canadians. Some writers have expressed the opinion that they might like to speak at these meetings but feel others from various academic or historical/genealogical societies can do a better job. To those who might feel this way, my response is to say 'go for it!' Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's, and as 'ordinary' Canadians, it is your opinion that is sought by the bureaucrats of StatCan. Don't let any of these meetings proceed without sufficient speakers to fill the alloted time slots. Please keep us informed regarding your participation, and what happens at the meetings. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Hi All; I have updated my Big Lakes County of Alberta Page & have added some new links. Hope you find my page of some use & helpful. Cheers, Martha http://www.rootsweb.com/~abbiglak/biglakes.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lowney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TNC.2ACI/223.266 Message Board Post: tom my name is colleen lowney maybe u remeber me.i told u my uncle johns middle name was redmond it was because my grandmother was married to a redmond before marrying my grandfather.my granfathers name was edward james.

THE TIME HAS COME -- YOUR HELP IS NEEDED NOW! For some time discussions have been taking place regarding the possibility of taking the federal government to Court to obtain a 'writ of mandamus'. If this action is successful - and we have every reason to believe it would be - it would force Statistics Canada to turn control of the 1906 Special Census of the Western Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba) over to the National Archivist for immediate release to the Public. Such release would be in accordance with Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. A successful action to obtain the 1906 Census would likely set the precedent we need for the the 1911 and subsequent Census records to be made available to the public in accordance with Regulations attached to the Privacy Act. Lois Sparling, a lawyer in Calgary - and an active participant in our campaign - has been making preliminary preparations for such an action. Several plaintiffs have been lined up and an estimate of costs for proceeding has been put together. Lois will be contributing her time, but even considering that, it is expected that costs could be about $8000. This includes provision for the remote possibility that costs could be assessed against the plaintiffs. Over the course of our campaign several people have made offers of financial assistance to aid in our efforts. Up to now these offers have been refused with thanks. However, as the Walrus said in Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland - ' The time has come.' We are now seeking your assistance in providing the funding necessary to proceed with our action against the government. Without the necessary funding we will be unable to proceed! The estimated $8,000 required is made up of approximately $3,000 expected to be needed for expenses (no legal fees), couriers, long distance telephone calls and faxes, filing fees and the cost of transcripts. The balance ($5,000) is to protect the Plaintiffs in the unlikely event that costs are assessed against us by the Court. It is unlikely that costs will be awarded against us because, first of all, we would have to lose, and secondly, the Federal Court is reluctant to award costs against Plaintiffs in a public interest case. It is expected that we may be in a position to refund part of these donations. We believe the fair thing is to make the refunds on a pro rata basis, i.e. a percentage to everybody. There are practical limitations to this however. We cannot possibly do this for a lot of $5 donations. Therefore, pro rated refunds will be made for only those donations of $100 (Cdn) or more. We suggest that people get together to combine their donations. Approach your local genealogical and historical associations to make a contribution. Pass the hat at your meetings and send a cheque from your local group. In that way your local group will get any refund that might be forthcoming. Send your cheques to: Lois Sparling Vallance & Company Barristers & Solicitors Suite 1400 550 - 6 Ave SW Calgary, Alberta T2V 3H4 Cheques should be made out to "Lois Sparling - in trust". Make the notation "Census Action" on the cheque. Lois will be the lawyer representing the Plaintiffs in the case. The funds will be deposited to her trust account. Lois has the means to accept US and other foreign currencies, and can also accept contributions through VISA. Transactions through VISA however, are more trouble than cheques -- and each transaction costs us 2.4 percent. A receipt will be issued for each and every contribution received. It will keep costs down if groups can collect from their members and send one cheque thus requiring the need to issue only one receipt. Make sure to include a covering letter or note with your full name and mailing address. As noted above, Lois is donating her time and expertise, and no part of the monies contributed to the legal case, other than costs, will go to her. A huge amount of work is involved in this action. Two other lawyers have offered assistance -- one from her office, and another member of the AFHS -- their experience in this kind of action, however, is limited. Normally the loser in a court action pays costs to the winner. These costs follow a chart set out in the relevant Rules of Court and are only intended to be a partial payment of legal fees. If our Plaintiffs are awarded costs it is felt that Lois, and the assisting lawyers, should get this money as partial reimbursement for their time, effort and expertise, aka their legal fees. (This request for financial assistance received prior approval by RootsWeb administration.) Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index.htm en francais http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TNC.2ACI/476.495.561.1.1 Message Board Post: I worked with a Norm Gillett years ago, he lived in West Vancouver, BC. I think he's still there. Ines

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TNC.2ACI/1881.2.1 Message Board Post: Dear Carmen, I will have to dig out the info on Ligouri LaBarre......I have gotten such interesting info from Annette Brown. She is now my new found "cousin!" My Mom's maiden name was Donahue......Margaret Cecilia Donahue,born in Winona,MN, and died in Rochester,MN at the age of 46. More later......patty