Lyn, I know what you mean. Not many list are blessed with the insight and wisdom of Homer. As hot as it was out there yesterday, when I finished the job and knelt down beside the marker, (it was the 270 lb. upright variety), I got cold chills. My wife who has no interest in my passion was accompanying me. She said she was even proud of it although she had nothing to do with it. Richard Price SOS 6-3