I have been a member of this list for about a year and don't understand all the problem. I have Indian heritage. I did not know this when I started doing my genealogy. But when I started my genealogy I set out to find out the truth about my families. I promised myself I would not be upset if they were rich or poor, Union or Confederate, White or other race, colonist or loyalist. I have found some of all these things. I have no control over what my ancestors did. I'm sure there were atrocities committed by plantation owners against their slaves, by Union and Confederate troops to each other as well as Indian against white. I just want to do genealogy and accept things as I find them. If we learn from the mistakes of our ancestors we will not be doomed to repeat them. ----- From: "M. Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] Indian heritage and just what you don't know about it. > I also had uncles that only had initials. Come to find out they were named > for other family members that had first and middle names but because there > were so many John or James's they were called by initials so they would > answer when they were called or could be that they didn't want all the > John's to answer. So there you have it J. D named after John Delter. > > You are right if you are not having fun at in genealogy you are definately > doing something wrong. > > Margie > > Also sorry about the Oatman link here is the story. > > Royce Oatman (479) > Royce (Lyman,George, George, John, Johannes), son of Lyman and Lucy > (Hartland) Oatman, was born at Middletown Springs, Rutland County, Vermont, > in 1809 and was killed by Yavapai Indians 18 February 1851 in New Mexico > Territory. > He was educated in western New York and removed to LaHarpe, Illinois, where > he married Mary Ann Sperry in 1832; she was born 11 February 1813 in East > Bloomfield, New York, and died 18 February 1851 in New Mexico Territory. She > was the daughter of Joy and Mary (Lamont) Sperry. > > Royce conducted a mercantile business. During the hard time of 1842, his > business was entirely wiped out. He removed to Pennsylvania for a time, but > soon returned to Chicago, Illinois, where he engaged in farming. Having > received a serious injury while assisting a neighbor dig a well, Royce > decided to go to New Mexico, where it was thought the milder climate would > be beneficial. > > In 1850 they joined a wagon train led by James C. Brewster, a member of the > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), whose attacks on, and > disagreements with, the church leadership in Salt Lake City, Utah, had > caused him to break with the followers of Brigham Young in Utah and lead his > fol- lowers--Brewsterites--to California, which he claimed was the "intended > place of gathering" for the Mormons. > > The Brewsterite emigrants, numbering 52, left Independence, Missouri, 9 > August 1850. Dissension caused the group to split near Santa Fe, with > Brewster following the northern route. Royce Oatman and several other > families chose the southern route via Socorro, Santa Cruz, and Tucson. Near > Socorro, Royce assumed command of the party. They reached New Mexico early > in 1851 only to find the country and climate wholly unsuited to their > purpose. The other wagons gradually abandoned the goal of reaching the mouth > of the Colorado. The party had reached Maricopa Wells when they were told > that the Indians ahead were very bad and that they would risk their lives if > they proceeded further. The other families resolved to stay. The Oatman > family, eventually traveling alone, was decimated on the banks of the Gila > River about 80-90 miles east of Yuma in what is now Arizona. > > Royce and Mary had seven children at this time, ranging in age from 16 to 1 > year. On their fourth day out, they were approached by a group of Indians, > asking for tobacco, food and trifles. At some point during the encounter, > the Oatman family was attacked by the group, and all were killed except > Lorenzo, age 15, who was clubbed and left for dead, Olive, age 13, and Mary > Ann, age 7. Lorenzo awoke to find his parents and family dead, but no sign > of Mary Ann and Olive. He eventually reached a settlement where he was > treated. Three days later, Lorenzo, who had rejoined the emigrant train, > found the bodies of his slain family; "we buried the bodies of father, > mother and babe in one common grave." (The Tucson Citizen, 26 September > 1913) The men had no way of digging proper graves in the volcanic rocky > soil, so they gathered the bodies together and heaped a large pile of stones > over them. It has been said the remains were reburied several times and > finally moved to the river for reinterment by Arizona pioneer Charles > Poston. > > Today a white cross marks the site where the Oatman family was massacred. At > Oatman Flats, Arizona, is the Oatman cairn and a headstone which reads: "In > Memory of the Oatman Family and Members of the Pioneers Massacred by Indians > in 1851..." > > Children of Royce and Mary Ann (Sperry) Oatman: > > 1547 Lucy, b. 1834, LaHarpe, IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory > > 1548 Lorenzo D., b. 1836, LaHarpe, IL; d. 8 Oct 1901, Red Cloud, NE; m. Edna > Amelia Canfield, 3 Aug 1860, Ustick, Whiteside Co., IL > > 1549 Olive Ann, b. 1837, LaHarpe, IL; d. 20 Mar 1903, Sherman, Grayson Co., > TX; m. Major John Brant Fairchild, 1865, Rochester, NY; he d. 1907. > Children, surname Fairchild: > > A Mary Elizabeth "Mamie", adopted in 1873; m. 1908 to Alister MacKay Laing > The subject of The Captivity of the Oatman Girls and innumerable other > articles and stories, along with her sister Mary Ann, Olive spent her early > childhood with her family in Hancock County, IL. After 1842 the family spent > brief periods in Pennsylvania's Cumberland Valley and in Chicago, IL, then > settled in Whiteside County, IL, near Fulton, where they lived near Mary Ann > Sperry Oatman's sister, Sarah (Sperry) Abbott. > > The Indian captivity, 1851-1856, of Olive and her sister Mary Ann, and the > efforts of their brother Lorenzo to free them, make up the contents of The > Captivity of the Oatman Girls (originally titled Life Among the Indians in > the first edition of 1857). The story of the massacre was also the subject > of an episode of "Death Valley Days", in which the role of the cavalry > officer who was helping Lorenzo in the search for his sisters was portrayed > by then actor Ronald Reagan. > > After the massacre, Mary Ann and Olive were driven barefoot over very rough > terrain and were soon covered with cuts and bruises from both falls and > beatings. Mary Ann was not strong enough to travel all night without > stopping so a brave threw her over his back like a sack of meal and carried > her. But Olive was expected to keep up the pace and when she fell behind, > she was beaten until she caught up. During their entire captivity they were > treated as drudges and slaves, enduring unending labor, carrying water and > foraging for firewood. The girls were held by the Yavapai Indians for about > a year, when they were traded to the Mohave Indians and again subjected to a > forced march north to the Mohave Valley on the Colorado River above Needles, > California. Both girls were tattooed with the tribal mark consisting of five > vertical lines from lower lip to chin. While their second captors treated > them kindly, famine struck the village and Mary Ann, who had always been > frail, died in 1853 from hardship and starvation. Olive spent another three > years in captivity before being released through the efforts of Lorenzo. The > U. S. Army paid six pounds of white beads, four blankets, various trinkets > and a white horse to the Mohaves for her ransom. > > After her release in early 1856, she lived briefly in El Monte, CA, with > members of the original wagon train. She and Lorenzo then went to live in > the Rogue River area of Oregon, near the present city of Medford, with the > families of Harvey and Harrison Oatman, sons of Royce's brother Harry. > > Returning to California with Lorenzo, Olive spent six months in school in > the Santa Clara Valley. While there, they attracted the attention of a > Methodist minister in Yreka, California, Royal B. Stratton, who eventually > wrote the book and who took them back east. After a stay with the Sperry > family near Rochester, New York, Lorenzo went back to Whiteside County, > Illinois. Stratton put Olive on the lecture circuit while he, in turn, > furthered her interrupted education. After Olive married Major John > Fairchild, a former Indian fighter, the couple moved to Detroit, spending > several years in Michigan, then on to Sherman, Texas, where Fairchild was a > banker. They lived in Sherman for about 30 years, and both died there. > > There have been many articles written through the years about the massacre > and, particularly, about Olive. Some reported that she went insane, which > apparently is untrue upon viewing her later life's activities. Others > indicate that the chin tattoos which she received while in captivity were > painfully removed; pictures of her in her later years prove this false, as > the tattoos are clear in the picture. > > Yet another story about Olive revolves around her leaving behind at least > two children when she was ransomed. Although there is no indication of her > having children while a captive either in Stratton's book or her lecture > notes, it should be remembered that this was not a subject in that era that > would be spoken of in polite society. > > Olive states that "to the honor of these savages, let it be said they never > offered the least unchaste abuse to me." (Captivity, 2nd ed., p. 188). After > her release, the Los Angeles Star reported two weeks after her arrival at El > Monte, "She has not been made a wife . . . and her defenceless situation > [was] entirely respected during her residence among the Indians." Another > article, entitled "Tragedy at Oatman Flat: Massacre, captivity, mystery" by > Richard Dillon (from The American West, March/April 1981) states: "Susan > Thompson (Olive's dear friend on the emigrant train) stated flatly that > Olive became the wife of the Mohave Chief's son and that she was the mother > of two little boys at the time of her ransom. Another story represented at > least one of Olive's Indian children as a girl. The Reese River Reveille > (Austin, Nevada) of May 23, 1863, described the five Indian children adopted > by Washington ('Wash') Jacobs of Austin and Jacobsville, Nevada, when he was > the agent for the Butterfield Stage Company at Oatman Flat in 1858: 'One was > a beautiful, light-haired, blue-eyed girl, supposed to have been a child of > the unfortunate Olive Oatman, so long a captive among the Apaches [sic] . . > . On returning home one day, Mr. Jacobs found the children suffering from > severe diarrhoea, caused by a thoughtless fellow feeding them only on meat. > Four died before relief could be had, and among them the little girl, "the > angel of the house." It was a sad event, bitterly wept over and not to be > erased from memory.'" > > Another article, one more of humor than of historical note, in the Arizona > Republican in Phoenix, dated 30 April 1922, refers to the "opening skirmish > of one of the most interesting legal battles in the history of Mohave county > . . . in Oatman Court of Domestic Relations when John Oatman, wealthy Mohave > Indian, was sued for divorce by his wife, Estelle Oatman . . . John Oatman > claims to be the grandson of Olive Oatman, famous in Arizona history." > > Without further evidence or proof, it is left to the reader to determine > which of the stories are valid. > > 1550 Royce, Jr., b. 1840, LaHarpe, IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory > > 1551 Mary Ann, b. 1843; d. 1853, near what is now Oatman, AZ (see #1545) > > 1552 Charity Ann, b. 1846, Whiteside Co., IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico > Territory > > > 1553 Roland, b. 1849, Whiteside Co., IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico > Territory > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Sources: > Stratton, Royal B., The Captivity of the Oatman Girls, 1857 > The Arizona Republican, Phoenix, AZ, 30 April 1922 > "Tragedy at Oatman Flat: Massacre, captivity, mystery" by Richard Dillon > [The American West, March/April 1981] > "Following the Pot of Gold at the Rainbow's End in the Day of 1850 - The > Life of Mrs. Susan Thompson Lewis Parrish of El Monte, California" [Virginia > Root] > "Strands of Glory", by Linda Joan Smith (Country Home magazine, June 1994) > For a more complete bibliography regarding the Oatman Massacre, see Olive > Oatman's Lecture Notes, edited by Rev. Edward Pettid, S.J., San Bernardino > County Museum Association, Vol. XVI, No. 2, Feb. 1969 > > > > > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Barbou County is a relaxed mail list. Feel free to discuss Barbour County and the surrounding counties genealogy and feel free to thank someone or ask about another's well being. >

List, I recently acquired a listing of those who served w/ Ala units and d. while incarcerated at Elmira, NY during the period Aug 1864-Jun 1865; while a a total number of almost 3,000 died there during that time, just more than 200 were from Ala; this list did not come from the net, so hopefully, this is some information we have not seen before and will shed some light on your ancestor; I will be most happy, as time permits, to do look- ups if you feel your ancestor d. there. I would be remiss if I did not mention, the 1st Bn, Ala Arty; the bn was made- up of men from Eufaula, Montgomery, Mobile and Selma; it was captured at the fall of Fort Motgan in Aug 1864 and the enlisted men were held at Elmira; of the 235 Ala soldiers known to have d. at Elmira more than 100 had served w/ the 1st bn; most are recorded as having d. of Small Pox. Please understand, the list I have is only of the Ala soldiers who d. at Elmira. Deo Vindice, Homer

Margie, Since you want to comdem the Indians I think you should look at Both sides of the story. Who did this land belong to in the first place? Who helped the whites to survive that first winter? Who broke EVERY treaty ? Who were the first slaves in this country? Who paid the Indians for scalps? Who stole the land from the Indians? I could go on and on but whats the use? I, for one , am real PROUD of my CREEK blood as you seem to be of your White blood. That makes us even ! My Creek name is EMV Perhaps that will give some of you something to laugh about. Another Doris

Doris, I have no intention of kicking you off the list. I have seen nothing that would warrant it. I cannot contol what goes on in private email. I do control what happens on the list. If someone is flaming you privately, block their address. Just don't put up with it. I look at all of this as strictly a look back in time. I have learned the other side of the story about Indians and Pioneers. If you really want to research your family to see if there is a connection then it is very important that you understand the time and why Indians were hated and anyone that married or had anything to do with Indians were hated. This is not a slander it is a fact. You have to look at it objectively and use it as a research tool. In today's political correctness. The crimes that the Indians committed against the whites would be considered hate crimes. It is also a historical fact that they would carry off children and if the cried too much they would beat them to death with a club, tomahawk or just kill them and leave them where they fell for the animals. They were feared and hated for this. I knew nothing of this history. When I inherited this web site, I went to the library and got every book that my library had and could order for me. Some were so horrible that I could not read them all at one time. I would just get sick to my stomach and put the book down and continue later. As for showing the emails to your friends. I have went back to the archives and found nothing that should embarass you or hurt your feelings. What some of the researchers are absolutely appaled at are those that want to be able to connect to Indian heritage so they can put it down on the job application. Oh! yes! I had a man say to me "I just wish I could find some Indian blood, if I could my son could get on the sheriff's dept". There is another thing. This is also something I did not know. I saw this big documentary on the History Channel and it was about Lewis and Clark. The explorers brought with the Black men to carry their loads. When they came to the Indian villages the Chiefs had the Black men mate with their women. They associated the Black man with the bear and and wanted the strength of the bear into the children. So this is another part of the Indian Culture and heritage. Another is that some tribes ate their dead. They believed that by eating their mother, she would always be with them. I only mention these few things as a matter of history and fact. To research you have to have a good knowledge of what you are researching. Good Luck, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BUFFUM2@aol.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] Indian heritage and just what you don't know about it. > Folks of the Alabama List, > > I have thought long and hard on this issue. The only bickering that I am > guilty of is responding to someone's ( which I still believe to be an insult > ) entertainment of one of my names that I was completely serious about . > Laughing at ones name and making a mockery of it are two different things. I > only sent one e-mail to the list, and I made no mention of any names when I > did. I certainly flamed no one. > I on the other hand have received many many flaming e-mails , and invitations > to leave the list. I have sit quitely and done or said nothing. I expected > the list owner to kick me off, if she didn't agree, but since she didn't I > thought all was well and over. Evidently, I was wrong. It now starts again. > I don't mind being chastised , or even constructive criticism. The names > that I have been called are something else. > To set the record straight, I have not claimed to be Native American. I have > been trying to prove the linage for a long time. That is one reason that I > was on the Barbour County Mailing List. My family lived in Barbour County > for a long time before moving to Florida. Some of them still live in Pike > County. > > I have asked other people to read some of these e-mails and they were shocked > to say the least. Some of them took the situation the same as I did, they > thought it was an insult. > As for owing anyone an apology, NO I don't. > > Good Luck to all of you and I wish all of you well, and hope you find what > you are researching . > Now please don't send me any more flaming e-mails, I won't respond. > > Doris B. > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Check the Macon County Ga. web site for their newspaper listings. There are many listings for Alabama citizens including those in Barbour Co., > >

Scalp Bounty The Wilderness War by Allan W. Eckert Because of the bounties placed on scalps, the taking of people of all ages and sexes soon became something of a business on the frontier. In some cases the colonists - or, later on, the Americans - offered bounties on Indian scalps, but the greatest trafficking in scalps came as a result of the wide range of bounties placed on them by the British. Because different age and sex scalps brought different prices, the scalps had to be marked for proper payment to be given. Such bundles of scalps ordinarily were shipped in large lots of eight to twenty bundles, comprised of eighty-eight to one hundred scalps per bundle, or no less that seven hundred scalps per shipment. Scalps taken for British bounties were ordinarily shipped in these bundles to the governor of Canada in Quebec. Each scalp was stretched on a painted willow hoop and further painted on the inside of the skin. The colors and markings were used in a wide combination so that all of the necessary information about any particular scalp could be had at a glance. The basic hoop and scalp markings denoted the following: Four-inch hoop painted black Soldier Four-inch hoop painted red Man other than soldier Four-inch hoop painted green Old person Four-inch hoop painted blue Woman Two-inch hoop painted green Boy Two-inch hoop painted yellow Girl Two-inch hoop painted white Infant Skin painted red Officer Skin painted brown Farmer killed in house Skin painted green Farmer killed in field Skin painted white Infant Skin painted yellow Girl Skin painted white with red tears Small boy Skin painted half white, half red Older boy Skin painted yellow with red tears Mothers Hair braided Wives Black spot in center of skin Killed by bullet Red hoe in center of skin Farmer Black ax in center of skin Settler Black tomahawk in center of skin Killed by tomahawk Black scalping knife in center of skin Killed by knife Black war club in center of skin Beaten to death Yellow flames in center of skin Tortured to death Black circle all around Killed at night White circle all around with yellow spot Killed by day Small red foot Died fighting Return The Wilderness War by Allan W. Eckert, page 450 Little, Brown & Company, Boston, 1978 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Sherwood" <Fawnette@worldnet.att.net> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] Indian heritage and just what you don't know about it. > Well, Margie, I think I just must be plain stupid, but I wasn't able to figure out how to get to Olive Oatman's story on your site. Can you please help me out? > > Also, would like to comment on the "name calling" thing. We located a distant cousin not too long ago who's name is J. K. CARTER. We asked him what J.K. stood for and he said "nothing, it's just plain ole' J.K. I was named for a neighbor whose name was J.K." It just tickled us that this was his answer. He said that all the boys were named only with initials and the girls had names. It gave us a glimpse into the by gone days and there was no malice in our laughter, just appreciation of another time. It seems to me that sometime folks get their feelings hurt when there has not really been a slight involved. > > I've enjoyed learning about the different names, ways of living, religions, ethnic backgrounds, etc. of not only my ancestors but of my husband's. Believe you me, I have taken a lot of ribbing about one of my ancestor's name - Nimrod! There are lots more important things in the world to get one's back up about - poverty, child/spousal abuse, murder, etc. Let's keep genealogy FUN, that's what I like about it. > > Thanks for letting me use the soap box! :-) > > Lyn McIntosh-Sherwood > Winter Park, FL > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Check the Macon County Ga. web site for their newspaper listings. There are many listings for Alabama citizens including those in Barbour Co., > >

I also had uncles that only had initials. Come to find out they were named for other family members that had first and middle names but because there were so many John or James's they were called by initials so they would answer when they were called or could be that they didn't want all the John's to answer. So there you have it J. D named after John Delter. You are right if you are not having fun at in genealogy you are definately doing something wrong. Margie Also sorry about the Oatman link here is the story. Royce Oatman (479) Royce (Lyman,George, George, John, Johannes), son of Lyman and Lucy (Hartland) Oatman, was born at Middletown Springs, Rutland County, Vermont, in 1809 and was killed by Yavapai Indians 18 February 1851 in New Mexico Territory. He was educated in western New York and removed to LaHarpe, Illinois, where he married Mary Ann Sperry in 1832; she was born 11 February 1813 in East Bloomfield, New York, and died 18 February 1851 in New Mexico Territory. She was the daughter of Joy and Mary (Lamont) Sperry. Royce conducted a mercantile business. During the hard time of 1842, his business was entirely wiped out. He removed to Pennsylvania for a time, but soon returned to Chicago, Illinois, where he engaged in farming. Having received a serious injury while assisting a neighbor dig a well, Royce decided to go to New Mexico, where it was thought the milder climate would be beneficial. In 1850 they joined a wagon train led by James C. Brewster, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), whose attacks on, and disagreements with, the church leadership in Salt Lake City, Utah, had caused him to break with the followers of Brigham Young in Utah and lead his fol- lowers--Brewsterites--to California, which he claimed was the "intended place of gathering" for the Mormons. The Brewsterite emigrants, numbering 52, left Independence, Missouri, 9 August 1850. Dissension caused the group to split near Santa Fe, with Brewster following the northern route. Royce Oatman and several other families chose the southern route via Socorro, Santa Cruz, and Tucson. Near Socorro, Royce assumed command of the party. They reached New Mexico early in 1851 only to find the country and climate wholly unsuited to their purpose. The other wagons gradually abandoned the goal of reaching the mouth of the Colorado. The party had reached Maricopa Wells when they were told that the Indians ahead were very bad and that they would risk their lives if they proceeded further. The other families resolved to stay. The Oatman family, eventually traveling alone, was decimated on the banks of the Gila River about 80-90 miles east of Yuma in what is now Arizona. Royce and Mary had seven children at this time, ranging in age from 16 to 1 year. On their fourth day out, they were approached by a group of Indians, asking for tobacco, food and trifles. At some point during the encounter, the Oatman family was attacked by the group, and all were killed except Lorenzo, age 15, who was clubbed and left for dead, Olive, age 13, and Mary Ann, age 7. Lorenzo awoke to find his parents and family dead, but no sign of Mary Ann and Olive. He eventually reached a settlement where he was treated. Three days later, Lorenzo, who had rejoined the emigrant train, found the bodies of his slain family; "we buried the bodies of father, mother and babe in one common grave." (The Tucson Citizen, 26 September 1913) The men had no way of digging proper graves in the volcanic rocky soil, so they gathered the bodies together and heaped a large pile of stones over them. It has been said the remains were reburied several times and finally moved to the river for reinterment by Arizona pioneer Charles Poston. Today a white cross marks the site where the Oatman family was massacred. At Oatman Flats, Arizona, is the Oatman cairn and a headstone which reads: "In Memory of the Oatman Family and Members of the Pioneers Massacred by Indians in 1851..." Children of Royce and Mary Ann (Sperry) Oatman: 1547 Lucy, b. 1834, LaHarpe, IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory 1548 Lorenzo D., b. 1836, LaHarpe, IL; d. 8 Oct 1901, Red Cloud, NE; m. Edna Amelia Canfield, 3 Aug 1860, Ustick, Whiteside Co., IL 1549 Olive Ann, b. 1837, LaHarpe, IL; d. 20 Mar 1903, Sherman, Grayson Co., TX; m. Major John Brant Fairchild, 1865, Rochester, NY; he d. 1907. Children, surname Fairchild: A Mary Elizabeth "Mamie", adopted in 1873; m. 1908 to Alister MacKay Laing The subject of The Captivity of the Oatman Girls and innumerable other articles and stories, along with her sister Mary Ann, Olive spent her early childhood with her family in Hancock County, IL. After 1842 the family spent brief periods in Pennsylvania's Cumberland Valley and in Chicago, IL, then settled in Whiteside County, IL, near Fulton, where they lived near Mary Ann Sperry Oatman's sister, Sarah (Sperry) Abbott. The Indian captivity, 1851-1856, of Olive and her sister Mary Ann, and the efforts of their brother Lorenzo to free them, make up the contents of The Captivity of the Oatman Girls (originally titled Life Among the Indians in the first edition of 1857). The story of the massacre was also the subject of an episode of "Death Valley Days", in which the role of the cavalry officer who was helping Lorenzo in the search for his sisters was portrayed by then actor Ronald Reagan. After the massacre, Mary Ann and Olive were driven barefoot over very rough terrain and were soon covered with cuts and bruises from both falls and beatings. Mary Ann was not strong enough to travel all night without stopping so a brave threw her over his back like a sack of meal and carried her. But Olive was expected to keep up the pace and when she fell behind, she was beaten until she caught up. During their entire captivity they were treated as drudges and slaves, enduring unending labor, carrying water and foraging for firewood. The girls were held by the Yavapai Indians for about a year, when they were traded to the Mohave Indians and again subjected to a forced march north to the Mohave Valley on the Colorado River above Needles, California. Both girls were tattooed with the tribal mark consisting of five vertical lines from lower lip to chin. While their second captors treated them kindly, famine struck the village and Mary Ann, who had always been frail, died in 1853 from hardship and starvation. Olive spent another three years in captivity before being released through the efforts of Lorenzo. The U. S. Army paid six pounds of white beads, four blankets, various trinkets and a white horse to the Mohaves for her ransom. After her release in early 1856, she lived briefly in El Monte, CA, with members of the original wagon train. She and Lorenzo then went to live in the Rogue River area of Oregon, near the present city of Medford, with the families of Harvey and Harrison Oatman, sons of Royce's brother Harry. Returning to California with Lorenzo, Olive spent six months in school in the Santa Clara Valley. While there, they attracted the attention of a Methodist minister in Yreka, California, Royal B. Stratton, who eventually wrote the book and who took them back east. After a stay with the Sperry family near Rochester, New York, Lorenzo went back to Whiteside County, Illinois. Stratton put Olive on the lecture circuit while he, in turn, furthered her interrupted education. After Olive married Major John Fairchild, a former Indian fighter, the couple moved to Detroit, spending several years in Michigan, then on to Sherman, Texas, where Fairchild was a banker. They lived in Sherman for about 30 years, and both died there. There have been many articles written through the years about the massacre and, particularly, about Olive. Some reported that she went insane, which apparently is untrue upon viewing her later life's activities. Others indicate that the chin tattoos which she received while in captivity were painfully removed; pictures of her in her later years prove this false, as the tattoos are clear in the picture. Yet another story about Olive revolves around her leaving behind at least two children when she was ransomed. Although there is no indication of her having children while a captive either in Stratton's book or her lecture notes, it should be remembered that this was not a subject in that era that would be spoken of in polite society. Olive states that "to the honor of these savages, let it be said they never offered the least unchaste abuse to me." (Captivity, 2nd ed., p. 188). After her release, the Los Angeles Star reported two weeks after her arrival at El Monte, "She has not been made a wife . . . and her defenceless situation [was] entirely respected during her residence among the Indians." Another article, entitled "Tragedy at Oatman Flat: Massacre, captivity, mystery" by Richard Dillon (from The American West, March/April 1981) states: "Susan Thompson (Olive's dear friend on the emigrant train) stated flatly that Olive became the wife of the Mohave Chief's son and that she was the mother of two little boys at the time of her ransom. Another story represented at least one of Olive's Indian children as a girl. The Reese River Reveille (Austin, Nevada) of May 23, 1863, described the five Indian children adopted by Washington ('Wash') Jacobs of Austin and Jacobsville, Nevada, when he was the agent for the Butterfield Stage Company at Oatman Flat in 1858: 'One was a beautiful, light-haired, blue-eyed girl, supposed to have been a child of the unfortunate Olive Oatman, so long a captive among the Apaches [sic] . . . On returning home one day, Mr. Jacobs found the children suffering from severe diarrhoea, caused by a thoughtless fellow feeding them only on meat. Four died before relief could be had, and among them the little girl, "the angel of the house." It was a sad event, bitterly wept over and not to be erased from memory.'" Another article, one more of humor than of historical note, in the Arizona Republican in Phoenix, dated 30 April 1922, refers to the "opening skirmish of one of the most interesting legal battles in the history of Mohave county . . . in Oatman Court of Domestic Relations when John Oatman, wealthy Mohave Indian, was sued for divorce by his wife, Estelle Oatman . . . John Oatman claims to be the grandson of Olive Oatman, famous in Arizona history." Without further evidence or proof, it is left to the reader to determine which of the stories are valid. 1550 Royce, Jr., b. 1840, LaHarpe, IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory 1551 Mary Ann, b. 1843; d. 1853, near what is now Oatman, AZ (see #1545) 1552 Charity Ann, b. 1846, Whiteside Co., IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory 1553 Roland, b. 1849, Whiteside Co., IL; d. 18 Feb 1851, New Mexico Territory - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Sources: Stratton, Royal B., The Captivity of the Oatman Girls, 1857 The Arizona Republican, Phoenix, AZ, 30 April 1922 "Tragedy at Oatman Flat: Massacre, captivity, mystery" by Richard Dillon [The American West, March/April 1981] "Following the Pot of Gold at the Rainbow's End in the Day of 1850 - The Life of Mrs. Susan Thompson Lewis Parrish of El Monte, California" [Virginia Root] "Strands of Glory", by Linda Joan Smith (Country Home magazine, June 1994) For a more complete bibliography regarding the Oatman Massacre, see Olive Oatman's Lecture Notes, edited by Rev. Edward Pettid, S.J., San Bernardino County Museum Association, Vol. XVI, No. 2, Feb. 1969

In a message dated 00-07-16 18:47:48 EDT, you write: If you really want to research your family to see if there is a connection then it is very important that you understand the time and why Indians were hated and anyone that married or had anything to do with Indians were hated. While I try to look objectively at the information for research purposes, I find it difficult , and the info raises many other questions and concerns for me. For example, I don't understanding why the Indians were hated. When outsiders invaded their land and took it away from them. Also, how can you consider the crimes hate crimes when the Indians were retaliating and trying to protect what was theirs. How would you feel, and what would you do to protect what is yours if someone tried to take it away from you because they viewed what you had as valuable and felt you were less than them, and not worthy of it or worth enough to own it? Many Indian children were killed and/or separated from their parents too. Much in the same way as Black families were separated. In today's political correctness...what would you consider that? Emily

Barbara, Its sort of difficult to figure ot who was from where, but will provide those of the almost three dozen who served from Ala that I feel are from our area. James W., Pvt, Co K, 5th Ala; Coffee County; resided at Elba in 1907; Co K was a Barbour company. Eli, Corp, Co K, 33d Ala; Coffee; d. as POW Camp Chase Jan 4, 1865. James B., Pvt, Co D, 33d Ala; I think Butler; d. of diarrhea Dalton, Ga; widow Nancy A.J. filed claim for property. William H., Pvt, Co L, 6th Ala; most likely from then Henry, now Houston. Sampson, Pvt, Co B, 51st Ala Cav; probably from then Barbour, now Bullock; survived the war. Sorry I could not do more, but these old fellers hopped-around a bit when they enlisted, which makes tracking them most difficult at times. Deo Vindice, Homer

Yes Mam, almost three dozen from the state that I have record of. Deo Vindice, Homer

Homer, Thank you for this great information. It sure explains the absence of Eli English who purchased land in Covington Co. in 1858. Of the others listed, only James B. is a mystery but it provides another piece of the puzzle to think about. Thanks again, Barbara Its sort of difficult to figure ot who was from where, but will provide those of the almost three dozen who served from Ala that I feel are from our area. James W., Pvt, Co K, 5th Ala; Coffee County; resided at Elba in 1907; Co K was a Barbour company. Eli, Corp, Co K, 33d Ala; Coffee; d. as POW Camp Chase Jan 4, 1865. James B., Pvt, Co D, 33d Ala; I think Butler; d. of diarrhea Dalton, Ga; widow Nancy A.J. filed claim for property. William H., Pvt, Co L, 6th Ala; most likely from then Henry, now Houston. Sampson, Pvt, Co B, 51st Ala Cav; probably from then Barbour, now Bullock; survived the war. Sorry I could not do more, but these old fellers hopped-around a bit when they enlisted, which makes tracking them most difficult at times. Deo Vindice, Homer >>

Betty, Sorry, no Vann's. Deo Vindice, Homer

List, Co E of the 25th Ga Inf Rgt organized at Abbeville, Henry County, Ala in 1861; called " Irwin's Invincibles", it would later become Co K, 61st Ala Inf Rgt, "Henry Light Infantry"; I have recently obtained a muster roll and would be happy to look for any of your soldiers who might have served w/ the co. Deo Vindice, Homer

Homer, Three dozen! Is this for the entire state? My English's are in the SE part of Alabama. I'm researching the Barbour & Coffee Co clans, although one son, Sampson English, is found in the 1860 Pike Co. census. Do you find records for any of the English men in these counties? Barbara << Yes Mam, almost three dozen from the state that I have record of. Deo Vindice, Homer >>

Homer, Do you find any English's in your military records? Thank you, Barbara

Will you please look for anyone with a last name of Vann? Thank you. Betty << Co E of the 25th Ga Inf Rgt organized at Abbeville, Henry County, Ala in 1861; called " Irwin's Invincibles", it would later become Co K, 61st Ala Inf Rgt, "Henry Light Infantry"; I have recently obtained a muster roll and would be happy to look for any of your soldiers who might have served w/ the co. >>

Tom, I have checked all my sources and have not found a Cold Springs Church and/or Cemetery in the records for Barbour County. Richard Price SOS 6-3

Descendants name should have read Calvin Crowell. Bonnie >From: "Bonnie Tharpe" <kgreathouse37@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com >To: ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ALBARBOU] Update on the Tucker Cemetery project >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:43:37 CDT > >List, > > I have contacted the closest descendants possible to James Tucker. >Mr.Crowell in Ca. is the G-G-Grandson of James. >He and his dau. Carol Hurley from Ma., they have donated money to help put >the signs up, and a new fence up,soon as I get that big tree off of it, if >there is anyone local that could swing by and throw it off???haha!I would >be >more than willing to pay you for your time and ENERGY.It is very rotten, so >it should not take much to move it.I will be sending updated photos for >Margie to update her site, but not for about a month. >The sign at the road will simply read: >2 sided: White with red writing. >TUCKER >FAMILY >CEMETERY -> > >The sign in the cemetery will read: > TUCKER > FAMILY CEMETERY >Placed here by Calvin Crowler-Ca. > G-G-Grandson of James Tucker > >Any suggestions or comments on these signs are very welcome! > >Thank you , >Bonnie Tharpe >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== >Have you checked the Georgia Counties just across the river. Many of the >Barbour residents came from, Crawford, Taylor, Randolph, Macon, Stewart >Counties in Georgia just to mention a few. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

List, I have contacted the closest descendants possible to James Tucker. Mr.Crowell in Ca. is the G-G-Grandson of James. He and his dau. Carol Hurley from Ma., they have donated money to help put the signs up, and a new fence up,soon as I get that big tree off of it, if there is anyone local that could swing by and throw it off???haha!I would be more than willing to pay you for your time and ENERGY.It is very rotten, so it should not take much to move it.I will be sending updated photos for Margie to update her site, but not for about a month. The sign at the road will simply read: 2 sided: White with red writing. TUCKER FAMILY CEMETERY -> The sign in the cemetery will read: TUCKER FAMILY CEMETERY Placed here by Calvin Crowler-Ca. G-G-Grandson of James Tucker Any suggestions or comments on these signs are very welcome! Thank you , Bonnie Tharpe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Robert do you have any more information on this person? Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT C ADAMS" <adamsrca1@juno.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: [ALBARBOU] Gilmore - Faulk > I too, am interested in the Gilmore lines. I have Mary Gilmore b. ca. 18, > ga She died April 7, 1885 Salem, Dale Co, Al. She married John S. Faulk > b. 6-12-1811 in Ga and died 05-16-1898 and is buried at Shiloh Baptist > Chuch in Geneva Co. Ala. > > Bob Adams > > JOHNGILMER99@aol.com wrote: > > > I am interested in your research of the Gilmore(s) in Pike-Barbour > County. > > You mentioned Mathew Gilmore -m- Malinda Williamson. These were my > GrGrGr > > Grandparents. After Mathew's death Malinda married Thomas Vance and > they > > lived in Barbour County. > > Mathew and Malinda's son, Willilam Marion Gilmore did not return from > the War > > and so his wife, Miriam Mercer Brooks Gilmore went to live with > Miriam's > > father, Jacob R. Brooks in Perote. They had three sons who were > orphaned, > > Willliam Bryant, James, and Mathew Brooks Gilmore/Gilmer. James and > William > > eventually ended up in Birmingham and Mathew B. ended up in Columbus > where he > > died in 1937. > > > > Regards, > > John Gilmer > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Check the Macon County Ga. web site for their newspaper listings. There are many listings for Alabama citizens including those in Barbour Co., >

Does anyone know if there is a Cold Springs Church or its cemetery still in exsistance. The information I have was that it was in Dexter (present day Pittsview). I'm looking for Richardsons buried there and directions to it. Thanks, Tom Tilton