I didn't find your Wm. F. McLean, but found these in Barbour Co., AL: Anna V. McLean m. W. C. Boyd 5 May 1868 Eliza A. McLean m. Wm. H. Beasley 20 Dec 1865 Margaret E. McLean m. John N. Kelley 23 Feb 1866 In Clark Co., AL: J. T. Stanley m. L. B. Anderson 9 Sep 1886 J. T. Stanley m. Georgia A. Lawson 22 Nov 1883 Hope this helps. Barbara << hello list: is there anyone there who can do a marriage look up? all we know is that William F. McLEAN married Sarah (Hays) Stanley, a widow, sometime around 1870. Sarah was a widow of ______ Stanley & they had had a son, Joseph T. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ronna Midland, TX >>

Little Blue Springs is off cr 41 not 43. The land is now owned by Donald Parmer and really does not want anyone going there (thats what he told us before) but you want to try calling him anyway in case he changed his mind. I have been there but never knew of any graves there. I will ask granddaddy to see. Sabrina P.S. If you'd like, I could call him to see for you ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:54 AM Subject: [ALBARBOU] Fw: {not a subscriber} Little Blue Springs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cat jeffers" <catjeffers@hotmail.com> > To: <Austinbl@bellsouth.net> > Cc: <ALBARBOU-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:17 AM > Subject: {not a subscriber} Little Blue Springs > > > > Little Blue Springs 3o yrs ago use to be on Co Rd #43 on Jesse and Mary > > Helms Place joining T.C. Baxley place. This is where we had baptizim for > > Anderson Baptist Church when my children were little. i have been there > > several times you might check with "Miss" Mary Helms or S.Hagler on this > > site might could tell you as i do not belong to that church any more since > > divorce. If she can not i will get # and directions for you if you would > > like. Just let me know i only live about 3 miles from there. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > The Barbour County mail list a place where Barbour researchers have become friends in research across the miles. > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <Tjhagler@aol.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:46 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ALBARBOU] Little Blue Springs /// Charity Renfroe Grave > The Blue Springs (my great grandfather was the first white man to own the > land surrounding the springs - the Springs and land are now a State Park) are > located in the Town of Blue Springs on State Road 10 in southern Barbour > County. There are several churches and cemeteries in the vicinity. The map > shows two named Blue Springs: one north on County Road 33 and one west on SR > 10. > If you don't get the info you are seeking off the Net, suggest you > contact my cousins, Frances and Hubert Hagler, who run Hagler's Bar-B-Cue in > "downtown" Blue Springs. Frances is especially knowledgeable of the area. > Their phone and address: 2606 Highway 10, Clio, AL 36017; (334) 397-2694. > Regards, > Jack Hagler > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Homer JONES" <CWBSLocator@webtv.net> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ALBARBOU] Re: Elmira Prison > Jack, > > I know of a number of Barbour > Hagler/Haigler's that you did not > mention; think they could tie-in > somewhere? > > > > Deo Vindice, > > Homer > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Homer JONES" <CWBSLocator@webtv.net> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [ALBARBOU] Re: Elmira Prison > Margie, > > Tried to get a msg out earlier, but > my provider seemed to have other > ideas; I would be happy to post > the list, but afraid there could be > a copyright infringement, so guess > I better pass...sorry. > > I did see your Eli Glover along w/ > many familiar names from the SE > Ala counties; looks like a number > are from the "Old 1st Ala" who > saw service at Pensacola some > time before the war actually started. > > > > Deo Vindice, > > Homer > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "cat jeffers" <catjeffers@hotmail.com> To: <Austinbl@bellsouth.net> Cc: <ALBARBOU-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Little Blue Springs > Little Blue Springs 3o yrs ago use to be on Co Rd #43 on Jesse and Mary > Helms Place joining T.C. Baxley place. This is where we had baptizim for > Anderson Baptist Church when my children were little. i have been there > several times you might check with "Miss" Mary Helms or S.Hagler on this > site might could tell you as i do not belong to that church any more since > divorce. If she can not i will get # and directions for you if you would > like. Just let me know i only live about 3 miles from there. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >

Can someone help me? I am looking for the grave of Charity Elizabeth (Austin) Renfroe, wife of Enoch Renfroe. I am told that she is buried at Little Blue Springs. Is that a cemetery at Blue Springs or a town? If it is a cemetery, can you give me directions? If it is a town, is there a cemetery, and what is the location? Thanks Bob Austin

I would like to request that everyone send in their information to the mail list. Cemetery, census, marriages, obits, bible information. This is a large list but only a few contribute, if we could get everyone involved then hopefully we may hep someone with their brick wall. Thanks, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <NeillBeck@aol.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] Last of this > Thank you Margie. > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > This is a closed list and only subscribers will be allowed to post. NO FLAMING, OBSCENE LANGUAGE OR DISRESPECT OF ANY KIND WILL BE TOLERATED. No virus postings will be allowed. Got a complaint then contact me not the list margie@majorinternet.com Good luck in your searches. > >

Jack, Josiah does not show-up on the Elmira list; most all Hagler's from Barbour served in Co A of the 45th Ala Inf Rgt, but I do not find either Josiah or Wilburn; further I do not find either of them in the Ala Index; possibly they served w/ Ga units. Sorry I could not help Deo Vindice, Homer

Babara, Sorry, don't have anything at all on him; I think Terri has access to the complete records, she may be able to help. Deo Vindice, Homer

I don't usually get involved in this type of discussion, but I TOTALLY AGREE with Lyn, let's get back to Barbour County, AL information. Looking for information on Jesse EARLY and David LESTER/LISTER and David's father William LESTER/LISTER Happy Digging, Frances Email me - whesta80@wheatstate.com or happydigging@cheerful.com Check out my web site: "Wars of Interest to American Researchers" http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/austen/239 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Sherwood" <Fawnette@worldnet.att.net> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] Father Breboeuf > I believe there are several sites on Rootsweb that one can join if they are interested in Native American history, atrocities, slavery, crimes committed against them, by them, etc. > > I joined this particular site because I wanted to try to find my JOHNSON and DEAS ancestors, not to read about Native American stuff. I have Cherokee/Creek in my background (of which I am very proud), but I do not believe this is the forum to discuss that unless we are speaking of particular Native American families that lived in the Barbour County, AL area. > > Please can we get off all of this and get back on what we ALL enjoy - genealogy! > > Lyn McIntosh-Sherwood > Winter Park, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M. Daniels > To: ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:24 AM > Subject: [ALBARBOU] Father Breboeuf > > > Martydom of Jean de Breboeuf > A Veritable Account of the Martydom and Blessed Death of Father Jean de > Breboeuf and of Father Gabriel L'Alemant, in New France, in the Country of > the Hurons, by the Iroquois, Enemies of the Faith > by Christophe Regnaut > This is what the savages old us of the taking of the Village of St. Ignace, > and about Fathers Jean de Breboeuf and Gabriel L'Allemant: > > "The Iroquois came, to the number of twelve hundred men; took our village, > and seized Father Breboeuf and his companion; and set fire to all the huts. > They proceeded to vent their rage on those two Fathers, for they took them > both and stripped them entirely naked, and fastened each to a post. They > tied both of their hands together. They tore the nails from the fingers. > They beat them with a shower of blows from cudgels, on the shoulders, the > loins, the belly, the legs and the face - there being no part of their body > which did not endure this torment." The savages told us further, that, > although Father de Breboeuf was overwhelmed under the weight of these blows, > he did not cease continually to speak of God, and to encourage all the new > Christians who were captives like himself to suffer well, that they might > die well, in order to go in company with him to Paradise. While the good > Father was thus encouraging these good people, a wretched huron renegade, - > who had remained a captive with the Iroquois, and whom Father de Breboeuf > had formerly instructed and baptized, - hearing him speak of Paradise and > Holy Baptism, was irritated, and said to him, "Echon", that is Father de > Breboeuf's name in Huron, "thou sayest that Baptism and the sufferings of > this life lead straight to Paradise; thou wilt go soon, for I am going to > baptize thee, and to make thee suffer well, in order to go the sooner to thy > Paradise." The barbarian, having said that, took a kettle full of boiling > water, which he poured over his body three different times, in derision of > Holy baptism. And, each time that he baptized him in this manner, the > barbarian said to him, with bitter sarcasm, "Go to Heaven, for thou art well > baptized." After that, they made him suffer several other torments. The 1st > was to make hatchets red-hot, and to apply them to the loins and under the > armpits. They made a collar of these red-hot hatchets, and put it on the > neck of this good Father. This is the fashion in which I have seen the > collar made for other prisoners: They make six hatchets red-hot, take a > large withe of green wood, pass the 6 hatchets over the large end of the > withe, take the two ends together, and then put it over the neck of the > sufferer. I have seen no torment which more moved me to compassion than > that. For you see a man, bound naked to a post, who, having this collar on > his neck, cannot tell what posture to take. For, if he lean forward, those > above his shoulders weigh the more on him; if he lean back, those on his > stomach make him suffer the same torment; if he keep erect, without leaning > to one side or the other, the burning hatchets, applied equally on both > sides, give him a double torture. > > After that they put on him a belt of bark, full of pitch and resin, and set > fire to it, which roasted his whole body. During all these torments, Father > de Breboeuf endured like a rock, insensible to fire and flames, which > astonished all the blood-thirsty wretches who tormented him. His zeal was so > great that he preached continually to these infidels, to try to convert > them. His executioners were enraged against him for constantly speaking to > them of God and of their conversions. To prevent him from speaking more, > they cut off his tongue, and both his upper and lower lips. After that, they > set themselves to strip the flesh from his legs, thighs and arms, to the > very bone; and then put it to roast before his eyes in order to eat it. > > While they tormented him in this manner, those wretches derided him, saying, > "Thou seest plainly that we treat thee as a friend, since we shall be the > cause of thy Eternal happiness; thank us, then, for these good offices which > we render thee, - for, the more thou shalt suffer, the more will thy God > reward thee." > > Those butchers, seeing that the good Father began to grow weak, made him sit > down on the ground; and one of them, taking a knife, cut off the skin > covering his skull. Another one of those barbarians, seeing that the good > Father would soon die, made an opening in the upper part of his chest, and > tore out his heart, which he roasted and ate. Others came to drink his > blood, still warm, which they drank with both hands, - saying that Father de > Breboeuf had been very courageous to endure so much pain as they had given > him, and that, by drinking his blood, they would become courageous like him. > > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Got a complaint, contact me not the list margie@majorinternet.com > > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Check the Macon County Ga. web site for their newspaper listings. There are many listings for Alabama citizens including those in Barbour Co.,

Homer: Four of my great grandfather's sons served in the Civil War. Wilburn Alexander Hagler enlisted in Company A, 45th AL Regiment, Confederate Army. He was enlisted by D. M. Seals who paid him a $50 bounty. He was wounded in the knee and stayed in Oliver Hospital for 50 days. His hometown was listed as Louisville, AL. Died 30 Oct 1912. Buried in Pine Level Baptist Cemetery, Barbour Co., AL. Sources: Gordon Hubbard, Ozark, AL; Ray Symons, Eufaula, AL, and June Sherman, Lockney, TX. Josiah Bradshaw Hagler per sworn testimony by his brother. James Madison Hagler of whom we have corresponded before. Also in Co., A, 45th. Killed 13 Jan 1863 we know not where. Buried in marked grave in Old Hagler Cemetery, Barbour Co., AL. Elbert Melton "Melt" Hagler, joined the Home Guard, Active Service. He served about 6 months from Nov 1864-Apr 1865. Sources: His Texas Pension Application and his tombstone which reads: "CSA, Pvt, Alabama Home Guard, Inf." Melt was b. 11 Nov 1847 and that is why he got in the war so late. Melt died 4 Nov 1933 and is buried in Antioch Ch of Ch, San Augustine, TX. Further review of his pension application reveals that he actually said he had 3 brothers who served. Those 3 brothers had to be Wilburn Alexander; Josiah Bradshaw; and James Madison. Brother Moses Wilson Hagler died in 1851. Brothers Adam Jackson and Billy were not born until 1852 and 1853, respectively. Perhaps Josiah Bradshaw Hagler's name got messed up a bit. Just guessing, but maybe Josiah got entered as Joseph. Thanks for all the time and help. Jack

Homer: We may have corresponded before re: my grandfather's brother, Josiah Bradshaw Hagler, b. 11 Aug 1840, who by family tradition, was killed in the Civil War. We don't have his unit identification, etc., only a sworn statement by Elbert Melton Hagler, that his two older brothers, Wilburn and Josiah Bradshaw Hagler, enlisted in the CSA at the start of the Civil War. They were living in Barbour County at the time. So, if you find him in the Elmira database, we would love to hear about it. Jack

I believe there are several sites on Rootsweb that one can join if they are interested in Native American history, atrocities, slavery, crimes committed against them, by them, etc. I joined this particular site because I wanted to try to find my JOHNSON and DEAS ancestors, not to read about Native American stuff. I have Cherokee/Creek in my background (of which I am very proud), but I do not believe this is the forum to discuss that unless we are speaking of particular Native American families that lived in the Barbour County, AL area. Please can we get off all of this and get back on what we ALL enjoy - genealogy! Lyn McIntosh-Sherwood Winter Park, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Daniels To: ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:24 AM Subject: [ALBARBOU] Father Breboeuf Martydom of Jean de Breboeuf A Veritable Account of the Martydom and Blessed Death of Father Jean de Breboeuf and of Father Gabriel L'Alemant, in New France, in the Country of the Hurons, by the Iroquois, Enemies of the Faith by Christophe Regnaut This is what the savages old us of the taking of the Village of St. Ignace, and about Fathers Jean de Breboeuf and Gabriel L'Allemant: "The Iroquois came, to the number of twelve hundred men; took our village, and seized Father Breboeuf and his companion; and set fire to all the huts. They proceeded to vent their rage on those two Fathers, for they took them both and stripped them entirely naked, and fastened each to a post. They tied both of their hands together. They tore the nails from the fingers. They beat them with a shower of blows from cudgels, on the shoulders, the loins, the belly, the legs and the face - there being no part of their body which did not endure this torment." The savages told us further, that, although Father de Breboeuf was overwhelmed under the weight of these blows, he did not cease continually to speak of God, and to encourage all the new Christians who were captives like himself to suffer well, that they might die well, in order to go in company with him to Paradise. While the good Father was thus encouraging these good people, a wretched huron renegade, - who had remained a captive with the Iroquois, and whom Father de Breboeuf had formerly instructed and baptized, - hearing him speak of Paradise and Holy Baptism, was irritated, and said to him, "Echon", that is Father de Breboeuf's name in Huron, "thou sayest that Baptism and the sufferings of this life lead straight to Paradise; thou wilt go soon, for I am going to baptize thee, and to make thee suffer well, in order to go the sooner to thy Paradise." The barbarian, having said that, took a kettle full of boiling water, which he poured over his body three different times, in derision of Holy baptism. And, each time that he baptized him in this manner, the barbarian said to him, with bitter sarcasm, "Go to Heaven, for thou art well baptized." After that, they made him suffer several other torments. The 1st was to make hatchets red-hot, and to apply them to the loins and under the armpits. They made a collar of these red-hot hatchets, and put it on the neck of this good Father. This is the fashion in which I have seen the collar made for other prisoners: They make six hatchets red-hot, take a large withe of green wood, pass the 6 hatchets over the large end of the withe, take the two ends together, and then put it over the neck of the sufferer. I have seen no torment which more moved me to compassion than that. For you see a man, bound naked to a post, who, having this collar on his neck, cannot tell what posture to take. For, if he lean forward, those above his shoulders weigh the more on him; if he lean back, those on his stomach make him suffer the same torment; if he keep erect, without leaning to one side or the other, the burning hatchets, applied equally on both sides, give him a double torture. After that they put on him a belt of bark, full of pitch and resin, and set fire to it, which roasted his whole body. During all these torments, Father de Breboeuf endured like a rock, insensible to fire and flames, which astonished all the blood-thirsty wretches who tormented him. His zeal was so great that he preached continually to these infidels, to try to convert them. His executioners were enraged against him for constantly speaking to them of God and of their conversions. To prevent him from speaking more, they cut off his tongue, and both his upper and lower lips. After that, they set themselves to strip the flesh from his legs, thighs and arms, to the very bone; and then put it to roast before his eyes in order to eat it. While they tormented him in this manner, those wretches derided him, saying, "Thou seest plainly that we treat thee as a friend, since we shall be the cause of thy Eternal happiness; thank us, then, for these good offices which we render thee, - for, the more thou shalt suffer, the more will thy God reward thee." Those butchers, seeing that the good Father began to grow weak, made him sit down on the ground; and one of them, taking a knife, cut off the skin covering his skull. Another one of those barbarians, seeing that the good Father would soon die, made an opening in the upper part of his chest, and tore out his heart, which he roasted and ate. Others came to drink his blood, still warm, which they drank with both hands, - saying that Father de Breboeuf had been very courageous to endure so much pain as they had given him, and that, by drinking his blood, they would become courageous like him. ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== Got a complaint, contact me not the list margie@majorinternet.com

Homer, Thank you for checking your records... Barbara

Homer, If you get a chance, do you find a listing for a Lump or Lumpkin English in your military records for Ala? I find a listing for Lump* English in the 1870 Baldwin Co. census index, and think this may be the Lumpkin English who is age 15 in the 1850 Barbour Co., in the hh of J. J. English. Thank you, Barbara

Thank you Margie.

I don't understand. I offered you help on research. I have no personal feelings at all on the subject. Let me tell you something. I spent my Sunday working on transcribing information for web sites that have nothing to do with my personal research at all. I offered some advice on researching Indian and Caucasian names and I get all this. I really don't need it. I am tired of the nit picking on this list. I do not care if you are Indian, White, Black or martian. Got that! I am a person here trying to help others, now if you think that because I offered up some info on a ethnic group that you disagree with that you can start a big flame war you are wrong. This subject is closed and the next person that brings it up on the list will be banned. Margie

Well folks, This is the last thing I will say on this subject. WE ARE NOT FIGHTING THE INDIAN WARS HERE. My statements are right out of the history books. I did not make the history nor did I write the books. So this topic is closed. It is evident to me that no matter what is offered in way of research on this subject that nothing will change. I am not THE authority on Indian Raids and Pioneers being slaughtered but I am as close as anyone can get. Being that I have read every book I can find on the subject and have researched every newspaper article I could find for content on the web site I had taken over. I have received hundreds of letters thanking me for gathering info on these families for genealogy research. I offered the information as a research tool only. The mention of Black and Indian was also for those that are researching their African American lines. They could be descendents of those that were with Lewis and Clarke or other early Black slaves. The Indians also owned slaves, not only Black slaves but White and Indians as well. I will also address one statement here. Prove to me that the Indian land was stolen or taken away. Manhattan was traded for and other land was bought or traded for by the government. The raids on helpless families is why the Indians were moved out west by General Jackson. If you can prove me wrong then do so on private email. This all started over a question I answered about Indian names. Oh and by they way. I lived in Tulsa Oklahoma for 5 years as a youngster, my father's business partner was a full blooded Cherokee Indian and so was his wife. They had two children, girls that I played with. Jack being a full blooded Indian was not allowed to buy liquor, so when it came time for the Christmas party dad always had to buy the liquor for the refreshments. I loved going to their house, when we had breakfast we all sat in the floor with one big bowl and Jeannie put the food in this bowl and we all sat in a circle with our spoon and ate from the same bowl. How different from my formal seating at the kitchen table. So I can tell you from personal experience about the life of Indians on the reservations. Jack and Jeannie were two of the finest people you would ever want to meet. It seems to me that a bunch of folks are taking this way too serious and not having any fun with their research. Feel free to continue this subject by private email, it is now a closed subject on this list. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Emily5505@aol.com> To: <ALBARBOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [ALBARBOU] flaming emails and Indian research > In a message dated 00-07-16 18:47:48 EDT, you write: > > If you really want to research your family to see if there is a connection > then it is very important that you understand the time and why Indians were > hated and anyone that married or had anything to do with Indians were hated. > > While I try to look objectively at the information for research purposes, I > find it difficult , and the info raises many other questions and concerns for > me. For example, I don't understanding why the Indians were hated. When > outsiders invaded their land and took it away from them. > > Also, how can you consider the crimes hate crimes when the Indians were > retaliating and trying to protect what was theirs. How would you feel, and > what would you do to protect what is yours if someone tried to take it away > from you because they viewed what you had as valuable and felt you were less > than them, and not worthy of it or worth enough to own it? > > Many Indian children were killed and/or separated from their parents too. > Much in the same way as Black families were separated. > > In today's political correctness...what would you consider that? > > Emily > > > ==== ALBARBOU Mailing List ==== > Got a complaint, contact me not the list margie@majorinternet.com > >

Martydom of Jean de Breboeuf A Veritable Account of the Martydom and Blessed Death of Father Jean de Breboeuf and of Father Gabriel L'Alemant, in New France, in the Country of the Hurons, by the Iroquois, Enemies of the Faith by Christophe Regnaut This is what the savages old us of the taking of the Village of St. Ignace, and about Fathers Jean de Breboeuf and Gabriel L'Allemant: "The Iroquois came, to the number of twelve hundred men; took our village, and seized Father Breboeuf and his companion; and set fire to all the huts. They proceeded to vent their rage on those two Fathers, for they took them both and stripped them entirely naked, and fastened each to a post. They tied both of their hands together. They tore the nails from the fingers. They beat them with a shower of blows from cudgels, on the shoulders, the loins, the belly, the legs and the face - there being no part of their body which did not endure this torment." The savages told us further, that, although Father de Breboeuf was overwhelmed under the weight of these blows, he did not cease continually to speak of God, and to encourage all the new Christians who were captives like himself to suffer well, that they might die well, in order to go in company with him to Paradise. While the good Father was thus encouraging these good people, a wretched huron renegade, - who had remained a captive with the Iroquois, and whom Father de Breboeuf had formerly instructed and baptized, - hearing him speak of Paradise and Holy Baptism, was irritated, and said to him, "Echon", that is Father de Breboeuf's name in Huron, "thou sayest that Baptism and the sufferings of this life lead straight to Paradise; thou wilt go soon, for I am going to baptize thee, and to make thee suffer well, in order to go the sooner to thy Paradise." The barbarian, having said that, took a kettle full of boiling water, which he poured over his body three different times, in derision of Holy baptism. And, each time that he baptized him in this manner, the barbarian said to him, with bitter sarcasm, "Go to Heaven, for thou art well baptized." After that, they made him suffer several other torments. The 1st was to make hatchets red-hot, and to apply them to the loins and under the armpits. They made a collar of these red-hot hatchets, and put it on the neck of this good Father. This is the fashion in which I have seen the collar made for other prisoners: They make six hatchets red-hot, take a large withe of green wood, pass the 6 hatchets over the large end of the withe, take the two ends together, and then put it over the neck of the sufferer. I have seen no torment which more moved me to compassion than that. For you see a man, bound naked to a post, who, having this collar on his neck, cannot tell what posture to take. For, if he lean forward, those above his shoulders weigh the more on him; if he lean back, those on his stomach make him suffer the same torment; if he keep erect, without leaning to one side or the other, the burning hatchets, applied equally on both sides, give him a double torture. After that they put on him a belt of bark, full of pitch and resin, and set fire to it, which roasted his whole body. During all these torments, Father de Breboeuf endured like a rock, insensible to fire and flames, which astonished all the blood-thirsty wretches who tormented him. His zeal was so great that he preached continually to these infidels, to try to convert them. His executioners were enraged against him for constantly speaking to them of God and of their conversions. To prevent him from speaking more, they cut off his tongue, and both his upper and lower lips. After that, they set themselves to strip the flesh from his legs, thighs and arms, to the very bone; and then put it to roast before his eyes in order to eat it. While they tormented him in this manner, those wretches derided him, saying, "Thou seest plainly that we treat thee as a friend, since we shall be the cause of thy Eternal happiness; thank us, then, for these good offices which we render thee, - for, the more thou shalt suffer, the more will thy God reward thee." Those butchers, seeing that the good Father began to grow weak, made him sit down on the ground; and one of them, taking a knife, cut off the skin covering his skull. Another one of those barbarians, seeing that the good Father would soon die, made an opening in the upper part of his chest, and tore out his heart, which he roasted and ate. Others came to drink his blood, still warm, which they drank with both hands, - saying that Father de Breboeuf had been very courageous to endure so much pain as they had given him, and that, by drinking his blood, they would become courageous like him.