I am sick to DEATH of the slander and smears and the yankee lie that the ‘Lost Cause’ is a myth. :-x It even says that on the wall at the Chickamauga welcome center! A place where Confederates were victorious! I am just so angry and will never stop fighting back! I am chicken neck twistin’, laundry day stomping, MAD as a wet hen infuriated!!! Lori Adams > On Feb 13, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Cyndi Himes <cmhimes58@gmail.com> wrote: > > Geoffrey Stough is a past President General CofC is a member of the Church > and met with me and Rev. Wienzski about having the General CofC Memorial > Service there in 2017. Rev. Windenski requested the meeting in person. > After sitting down with Mr. Wienzski, (I don;t use Reverend because he > seemed anything but) I wanted to get up and leave after about 30 seconds. > He had no intention of allowing our group to conduct a Memorial Service at > the Church. We would not be able to have music or bring in our own > keyboard. > > So, after listening to him and Geoff and I giving our pitch, he asked to > have a week to make his decision. Which he did send me a letter, which I > shared with Geoff. > I will not share online what he wrote me, and Geoff was attoughded when he > read the message. Bottom line he wanted to pursue a different path and > image for the church. > > I didn't respond to his letter, I thought if I did, he would have leverage > against our organization, I took the high road!!! > > He hates the SCV-would not give exact reasons, but he hate our flag, and > what he perceived it represents. I think it was his own personal conviction > to not have us there. > > C. Himes > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:57 AM Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> > wrote: > >> TO ALL! >> >> >> >> Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal >> Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was >> the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family >> resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] >> are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, >> then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been >> telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it >> is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be >> placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! >> The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was >> the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if >> the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it >> removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the >> church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long >> time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was >> important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church >> that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! >> >> >> >> The counts against that church in my opinion: >> >> 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT >> ONE >> during the Riley administration >> >> 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during >> the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies >> >> 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the >> CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! >> >> This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! >> >> >> >> I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find >> some members of that church as well. >> >> >> >> Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and >> protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate >> soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still >> fighting for today! >> >> >> >> Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church >> please call them! >> >> >> >> Confederately yours, >> >> Pat Godwin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. 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Geoffrey Stough is a past President General CofC is a member of the Church and met with me and Rev. Wienzski about having the General CofC Memorial Service there in 2017. Rev. Windenski requested the meeting in person. After sitting down with Mr. Wienzski, (I don;t use Reverend because he seemed anything but) I wanted to get up and leave after about 30 seconds. He had no intention of allowing our group to conduct a Memorial Service at the Church. We would not be able to have music or bring in our own keyboard. So, after listening to him and Geoff and I giving our pitch, he asked to have a week to make his decision. Which he did send me a letter, which I shared with Geoff. I will not share online what he wrote me, and Geoff was attoughded when he read the message. Bottom line he wanted to pursue a different path and image for the church. I didn't respond to his letter, I thought if I did, he would have leverage against our organization, I took the high road!!! He hates the SCV-would not give exact reasons, but he hate our flag, and what he perceived it represents. I think it was his own personal conviction to not have us there. C. Himes On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:57 AM Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > TO ALL! > > > > Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal > Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was > the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family > resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] > are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, > then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been > telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it > is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be > placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! > The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was > the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if > the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it > removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the > church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long > time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was > important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church > that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! > > > > The counts against that church in my opinion: > > 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT > ONE > during the Riley administration > > 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during > the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies > > 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the > CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! > > This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! > > > > I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find > some members of that church as well. > > > > Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and > protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate > soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still > fighting for today! > > > > Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church > please call them! > > > > Confederately yours, > > Pat Godwin > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Interesting article coming from the Episcopalian news: Alabama church removes pew, plaque dedicated to Confederate President Jefferson Davis Fri, 02/08/2019 - 4:54pm A pew known as the Jefferson Davis pew is seen among newer pews at St. John’s Episcopal Church in Montgomery, Alabama. Photo: David Berenguer [Episcopal News Service] The pew had been an unmistakable fixture for decades at St. John’s Episcopal Church in Montgomery, Alabama. Online photos show the pew – a cross-shaped poppyhead carved in its wooden finial – sticking out among the rows and rows of newer, plain-looking pews that filled the rest of the church’s sanctuary. One other detail made this pew stand out: It was known as the Jefferson Davis pew with an accompanying plaque touting its history, a tribute to the Confederate president who attended St. John’s for three months in 1861 before the capital of the Confederacy was moved from Montgomery to Richmond, Virginia. Today, that pew is in storage. The congregation removed it recently and moved a newer pew from the back of the sanctuary to take its place. The plaque was removed, too. “To continue to allow the pew to be in our worship space would be troublesome,” the Rev. Robert Wisnewski, rector at St. John’s, said this week in a message to the congregation. Confederate President Jefferson Davis is seen in this portrait by Matthew Brady. Source: National Archives At a time when Episcopal churches and institutions across the country are reckoning with their historical ties to slavery, the Confederacy and Jim Crow segregation, Wisnewski and vestry members took steps to set the record straight at St. John’s. They removed the Jefferson Davis pew, Wisnewski said, because its ties to Davis were false and its dedication ceremony 89 years ago was a political act steeped in racism, which runs counter to Christianity. “Davis was a political figure, not a church figure, nor even a member of the parish,” Wisnewski wrote. “Acting to remove the pew and plaque is the correction of a political act and hopefully will help us all to focus more completely on the love of Christ for all people.” Wisnewski, when reached by email, declined Episcopal News Service’s request for an interview, saying he had “nothing to add to the statement I’ve made,” though he clarified why the church began scrutinizing the history of the pew and plaque. “In teaching a Sunday school class this past fall, I became aware of the pew’s dedication not occurring until 1925,” said Wisnewski, who has served at St. John’s since 1995. That detail was the first loose thread that led to the unraveling of the story of the Jefferson Davis pew. Wisnewski noted the plaque at St. John’s called Davis “a communicant,” but Davis was not yet a confirmed Episcopalian when he attended services at St. John’s. The pew that was dedicated in 1925 wasn’t an original, Wisnewski said. The congregation had replaced the old pews with new ones in the early 1900s. By the 1930s, a pew from Davis’ era had been re-installed and labeled, but its ties to the Confederate figure were uncertain at best. More troubling was evidence that the 1925 dedication ceremony championed white supremacy as openly as any nods to local history. Its timing, with racism and segregation on the rise, coincided with the “Lost Cause” campaign across the South, which sought to rehabilitate the image of the Confederacy and its leaders by denying the South fought the Civil War to protect slavery. Montgomery’s roots in antebellum South In the 1950s, Montgomery would become a pivotal battleground in the civil rights movement, with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., as pastor of Dexter Avenue Baptist Church, joining others in leading the successful Montgomery bus boycott. But a century earlier, Alabama’s capital city was known as a commerce hub in the slave-powered cotton empire of the antebellum South. St. John’s Episcopal Church in Montgomery, Alabama, is seen in an undated historic photo. Photo: St. John’s, via website St. John’s is Montgomery’s oldest Episcopal parish. It formed in 1834, and in 1837, the congregation completed construction of its 48-pew brick church. When membership topped 100, the congregation built a new church in 1855, and slaves were given use of the old brick church, according to a guidebook published by the Civil Heritage Trail. Montgomery “was the exhilarated, thronging capital of the Confederate States of America” in the first months of 1861, the guidebook says, and Davis was inaugurated the Confederacy’s president in the city on Feb. 18. Davis was raised a Baptist and only began attending Episcopal services in Montgomery at the urging of his second wife, Varina. “We have no way of knowing how many times he or his family attended, perhaps only a few times or perhaps as many as a dozen times,” Wisnewski said in his message to the congregation about the Davis pew. “Since Davis was not confirmed, it is probable that he never received Holy Communion here and technically was not a communicant.” After leaving Montgomery, Davis was confirmed in 1862 at St. Paul’s Episcopal Church in Richmond, once known as the Cathedral of the Confederacy. Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee also worshiped at St. Paul’s. Pew plaques and stained glass windows at St. Paul’s had long touted the Richmond church’s historical ties to those two prominent Confederate figures when, in 2015, St. Paul’s launched its History and Reconciliation Initiative to re-examine that history and consider whether changes were warranted. A massacre was the catalyst. On June 17, 2015, Dylann Roof opened fire at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, killing nine black worshippers. When photos surfaced of Roof posing with a Confederate flag, it fueled a nationwide debate over the racist legacy of such imagery and its embrace by white supremacists. At St. Paul’s, the congregation decided to remove all representations of Confederate battle flags but keep family memorials to fallen Confederate soldiers, and the congregation left untouched its plaques marking the pews where Davis and Lee once sat. In 2017, a violent clash between white supremacists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the fate of the city’s Confederate statues led to a new round of national debates and amplified calls to remove such symbols from public display, including at Episcopal institutions. Washington National Cathedral in the nation’s capital removed stained glass windowsdepicting Lee and a fellow Confederate general, Stonewall Jackson. Sewanee: University of the South in Tennessee moved a statue of another Confederate general from a prominent spot on campus to the university’s cemetery. R.E. Lee Memorial Church in Lexington, Virginia, changed its name back to its original Grace Episcopal Church. “The argument is simple: The Confederacy fought to maintain slavery and white supremacy in the United States, and this isn’t something the country should honor in any way,” Joe McDaniel Jr., a member of General Convention’s Committee for Racial Justice and Reconciliation, said this week in an interview with ENS. General Convention has passed numerous resolutions over the years to guide The Episcopal Church as it responds to racism and atones for its own complicity in racial injustice and support for racist systems. Such efforts have led to the creation of the Becoming Beloved Community framework, now the church’s cornerstone initiative on racial reconciliation. McDaniel, a 58-year-old retired lawyer living in Pensacola, Florida, said he has followed closely the debate over Confederate statues and other memorials in recent years. He disputes arguments that removing such monuments amounts to erasing history. The monuments were not motivated by Southern pride or benign historic preservation, McDaniel said, but rather to promote a cause that was dedicated to keeping black Americans enslaved. “Most of America is finally coming to terms with that,” McDaniel said. “I applaud St. John’s action in moving the Jefferson Davis pew.” Little doubt about Davis pew’s racist pedigree Vestry members made that decision last weekend at a planning retreat, Wisnewski said in his written message, after he brought his research on the pew to their attention, including the evidence that the pew was not in place for the 1925 dedication. “The lore that the pew had been in place since the beginning of the Civil War and always known as the Jefferson Davis Pew is not true,” Wisnewski said. The rector also discovered details of the 1925 dedication ceremony, which featured a speech by writer and historian John Trotwood Moore, known as “an apologist for the Old South” who espoused virulent white supremacist rhetoric and defended lynching. John Trotwood Moore was known as an “apologist for the Old South.” He spoke at the dedication of the Jefferson Davis pew in 1925. Source: Tennessee State Library and Archives A 1999 article in the Tennessee Historical Quarterly provides a description of Moore’s speech at the dedication of the Jefferson Davis pew, based on contemporary newspaper reports. The event was attended by Alabama’s governor and other civic leaders, and Moore was “their natural choice to deliver appropriate words,” according to the article’s author, Fred Arthur Bailey. In addition to hailing Davis as a “pure blooded Anglo Saxon,” Moore made a case that racial purity and white superiority were part of Davis’ legacy. “We are the children not of our father and mother but of our race,” Moore said. “It is well to teach our children that they are well bred, descendants of heroes. Only the pure breed ever reaches the stars.” Wisnewski indicated that Moore’s role in the dedication of the pew gave little doubt about its racist pedigree. “Confederate monuments and symbols have increasingly been used by groups that promote white supremacy and are now, to many people of all races, seen to represent insensitivity, hatred, and even evil,” Wisnewski said. “The mission of our parish is diametrically opposed to what these symbols have come to mean. … “Even if the actions which brought about the Jefferson Davis Pew in 1925 were only to memorialize an historical fact, and that appears improbable, the continuance of its presence presents a political statement.” The vestry voted to remove the pew and place it and the plaque honoring Davis in the church’s archives. “This was not done to rewrite our history or to dishonor our forebears,” Wisnewski wrote in his message to the congregation. The current vestry would not vote to add such a pew honoring Davis, so it would be “troublesome” to let the existing pew remain. “St. John’s prides itself in being a spiritual home for all people and a place where politics takes a back seat to the nurture of our souls,” Wisnewski said. “Our worship space is sacred and should direct our hearts to the love of God without distraction.” – David Paulsen is an editor and reporter for the Episcopal News Service. He can be reached atdpaulsen@episcopalchurch.org<mailto:atdpaulsen@episcopalchurch.org>. The post Alabama church removes pew, plaque dedicated to Confederate President Jefferson Davisappeared first on Episcopal News Service. Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Feb 13, 2019 3:25 PM, LA <analytigal@bellsouth.net> wrote: I think they are lying or the pew would not be old style and different from all the others! Also, why would they out a plaque there years ago to lie about that? I doubt they got much $ out of it being there anyway! > On Feb 13, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > > TO ALL! > > > > Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal > Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was > the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family > resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] > are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, > then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been > telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it > is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be > placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! > The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was > the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if > the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it > removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the > church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long > time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was > important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church > that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! > > > > The counts against that church in my opinion: > > 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT ONE > during the Riley administration > > 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during > the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies > > 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the > CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! > > This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! > > > > I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find > some members of that church as well. > > > > Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and > protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate > soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still > fighting for today! > > > > Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church > please call them! > > > > Confederately yours, > > Pat Godwin > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. 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I think they are lying or the pew would not be old style and different from all the others! Also, why would they out a plaque there years ago to lie about that? I doubt they got much $ out of it being there anyway! > On Feb 13, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > > TO ALL! > > > > Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal > Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was > the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family > resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] > are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, > then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been > telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it > is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be > placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! > The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was > the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if > the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it > removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the > church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long > time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was > important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church > that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! > > > > The counts against that church in my opinion: > > 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT ONE > during the Riley administration > > 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during > the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies > > 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the > CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! > > This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! > > > > I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find > some members of that church as well. > > > > Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and > protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate > soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still > fighting for today! > > > > Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church > please call them! > > > > Confederately yours, > > Pat Godwin > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks so much, for the correction, Artie! Yes! I think we should! Since they are sooo ashamed of it, we are offering it a proper home! Pat -----Original Message----- From: alaudc-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:alaudc-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:55 PM To: alaudc@rootsweb.com Subject: ALAUDC Digest, Vol 14, Issue 99 Send ALAUDC mailing list submissions to alaudc@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at alaudc-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ALAUDC digest..." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Pat, Haileigh and I both will be attending, th ed God Lord willing. I will let Eleanor know, thanks. On Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 12:33 PM Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > Thank you so much, Lori! > > If any of you ladies are planning to attend, as a courtesy to Eleanor > Drake, > please let her know if you have not already done so...her email is: > edrake@judson.edu > > Remember, her ONLY computer is at work...so notify her during business > hours. Her home phone number is: 334-628-6021 > > Lunch is Dutch of course at The Shack...there will be a greeting/ meeting > at > the Bowling Library at Judson College located at 306 East Lafayette Street, > Marion ALABAMA, beginning at 9:30AM...then off to tour the designated War > Between the States sites...then lunch...Eleanor says there are some nice > antique shops in Marion as well...and one of them sells HATS! Eleanor said > The Shack was voted one of the best restaurants in Alabama! > > Hope to see many of y'all on Saturday! > Pat Godwin > Just a member...NOT director! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alaudc-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:alaudc-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:57 AM > To: alaudc@rootsweb.com > Subject: ALAUDC Digest, Vol 14, Issue 98 > > Send ALAUDC mailing list submissions to alaudc@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body > unsubscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at alaudc-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of ALAUDC digest..." > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

It is St. John's Episcopal Church. Phone # 334-262-1937. Should we call and show support for them donating the pew to Mt. Creek? Artie Morgan Etowah 1620 -----Original Message----- From: Patricia S. Godwin [mailto:oldsouthrebel@zebra.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:57 AM To: alaudc@rootsweb.com Subject: [ALAUDC] JEFF DAVIS PEW TO ALL! Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! The counts against that church in my opinion: 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT ONE during the Riley administration 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find some members of that church as well. Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still fighting for today! Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church please call them! Confederately yours, Pat Godwin --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Thank you so much, Lori! If any of you ladies are planning to attend, as a courtesy to Eleanor Drake, please let her know if you have not already done so...her email is: edrake@judson.edu Remember, her ONLY computer is at work...so notify her during business hours. Her home phone number is: 334-628-6021 Lunch is Dutch of course at The Shack...there will be a greeting/ meeting at the Bowling Library at Judson College located at 306 East Lafayette Street, Marion ALABAMA, beginning at 9:30AM...then off to tour the designated War Between the States sites...then lunch...Eleanor says there are some nice antique shops in Marion as well...and one of them sells HATS! Eleanor said The Shack was voted one of the best restaurants in Alabama! Hope to see many of y'all on Saturday! Pat Godwin Just a member...NOT director! -----Original Message----- From: alaudc-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:alaudc-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:57 AM To: alaudc@rootsweb.com Subject: ALAUDC Digest, Vol 14, Issue 98 Send ALAUDC mailing list submissions to alaudc@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at alaudc-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ALAUDC digest..." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

TO ALL! Ladies, we need to find someone who is a member of the St. Paul's Episcopal Church. For as long as I can remember, that church has "purported that was the pew that CSA President Jefferson Davis sat on" while he & his family resided in Montgomery at the formation of the CSA. Now "they" [the church] are saying that was not really the pew Jeff Davis sat on. If that's true, then why are they removing it? Well, that tells me that the church has been telling a LIE all these years! I have talked with Bill Rambo.to see if it is possible that the pew, no matter what the church says now, could be placed in the chapel at Mt. Creek with the approval of the AHC, of course! The pew, if I remember correctly, has a plaque attached indicating it was the pew President Davis sat on. Well, we need to challenge that church.if the church is soooooooo offended by the presence of that pew and has had it removed, then we need to put it somewhere for it to be protected before the church makes firewood of it! We need to call the church out on their "Long time perpetual lie" that they seemed to think for so many years, was important to capitalize on by telling folks when visitors toured the church that Pres. Davis sat on there while living in Montgomery! The counts against that church in my opinion: 1. The church entered the political arena when endorsing AMENDMENT ONE during the Riley administration 2. The church refused comfort to those in need of a cool place during the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies 3. The church now says the pew is NOT President Davis' pew.soooo the CHURCH LIED ALL THESE YEARS! This church is NOT doing the Lord's work! I have called Bill Rambo & he likes this idea and has agreed to try to find some members of that church as well. Ladies, our charge is to educate the masses of the TRUTH of our history and protect our Confederate history & heritage & good name of the Confederate soldier and the noble cause for which he fought which is what we are still fighting for today! Please, if any of you Montgomery ladies know any members of that church please call them! Confederately yours, Pat Godwin --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Sigh... I for one appreciate the invite Pat. I always enjoy visiting Confederate sites and hope to see you ladies Saturday. Lori Adams > On Feb 12, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > > TO ALL: > > > > I have just received today a scathing reprimand for not being in compliance > with the BYLAWS about announcing district meetings! I AM NOT THE DIRECTOR > OF THE NBF DISTRICT! Robbie Purser, bless her heart, had to resigned > because many of y'all know Robbie has had her own serious health issues and > she is also taking care of her husband who has had serious health issues for > years! Finally, I guess the load got to heavy.and she resigned.Eleanor > Drake, was our co-director and is now our Director. Eleanor works at Judson > College and uses her office computer because does not have a computer at > home. > > > > Eleanor didn't even know when our district meeting was scheduled until I > told her a few weeks ago. She has done a marvelous job at trying to put > together a nice gathering for us and my hat is off to her! Thank God for > her because as y'all know somebody tried to get a bylaw passed in 2017 to do > away with districts consisting of less than 5 chapters. We fought for the > NBF District and manage to prevail! Thanks to all at convention in 2017.it > was a unanimous vote to defeat that bylaw change! > > > > Now, I sent out the notice about our district meeting as a spur of the > moment thought the other day.it was NOT an official notice from the Director > because Eleanor is not even on this list! I did it as a courtesy.our > District is small and I didn't want Eleanor to go to a lot of preparation & > planning for just a handful of ladies so I thought for ladies who might live > at least within a 50 mile radius and had never toured historic Marion, they > might like to attend. As I said, Eleanor does not have a computer at home. I > sent out the flyer to this list that Eleanor had composed. I DID NOT COMPOSE > THE NOTICE! Please forgive me ladies for not sending that "spur of the > moment courtesy" out on the list by the allotted time designated in the > BYLAWS. I try to do my daily Bible reading, but I must admit, I fall short > of my "daily bylaw reading'..!!!! > > > > We ladies in the NBF District get along beautifully and we handle our > responsibilities without outside conflicts! WE invite all of you who would > like to come to our meeting and tour historic Marion, Alabama and enjoy a > fellowship lunch with us at THE SHACK! > > > > Confederately yours, > > Pat Godwin.NOT THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR > > OF THE NBF DISTRICT > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Pat, I am looking forward to attending the NBF District Meeting. I applaud You and Eleanor for stepping in and making sure that there is a meeting to attend. This is what UDC LOVE is about...One Daughter stepping in to HELP another Daughter in need. Ladies, let's spread the love. In UDC LOVE AND SERVICE, Sherry Butler Clayton "He who feels no pride in his ancestors is unworthy to be remembered by his descendants." Major David F. Boyd, 9th Louisiana Infantry, CSA > On February 12, 2019 at 7:33 PM "Patricia S. Godwin" <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > > > TO ALL: > > > > I have just received today a scathing reprimand for not being in compliance > with the BYLAWS about announcing district meetings! I AM NOT THE DIRECTOR > OF THE NBF DISTRICT! Robbie Purser, bless her heart, had to resigned > because many of y'all know Robbie has had her own serious health issues and > she is also taking care of her husband who has had serious health issues for > years! Finally, I guess the load got to heavy.and she resigned.Eleanor > Drake, was our co-director and is now our Director. Eleanor works at Judson > College and uses her office computer because does not have a computer at > home. > > > > Eleanor didn't even know when our district meeting was scheduled until I > told her a few weeks ago. She has done a marvelous job at trying to put > together a nice gathering for us and my hat is off to her! Thank God for > her because as y'all know somebody tried to get a bylaw passed in 2017 to do > away with districts consisting of less than 5 chapters. We fought for the > NBF District and manage to prevail! Thanks to all at convention in 2017.it > was a unanimous vote to defeat that bylaw change! > > > > Now, I sent out the notice about our district meeting as a spur of the > moment thought the other day.it was NOT an official notice from the Director > because Eleanor is not even on this list! I did it as a courtesy.our > District is small and I didn't want Eleanor to go to a lot of preparation & > planning for just a handful of ladies so I thought for ladies who might live > at least within a 50 mile radius and had never toured historic Marion, they > might like to attend. As I said, Eleanor does not have a computer at home. I > sent out the flyer to this list that Eleanor had composed. I DID NOT COMPOSE > THE NOTICE! Please forgive me ladies for not sending that "spur of the > moment courtesy" out on the list by the allotted time designated in the > BYLAWS. I try to do my daily Bible reading, but I must admit, I fall short > of my "daily bylaw reading'..!!!! > > > > We ladies in the NBF District get along beautifully and we handle our > responsibilities without outside conflicts! WE invite all of you who would > like to come to our meeting and tour historic Marion, Alabama and enjoy a > fellowship lunch with us at THE SHACK! > > > > Confederately yours, > > Pat Godwin.NOT THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR > > OF THE NBF DISTRICT > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

TO ALL: I have just received today a scathing reprimand for not being in compliance with the BYLAWS about announcing district meetings! I AM NOT THE DIRECTOR OF THE NBF DISTRICT! Robbie Purser, bless her heart, had to resigned because many of y'all know Robbie has had her own serious health issues and she is also taking care of her husband who has had serious health issues for years! Finally, I guess the load got to heavy.and she resigned.Eleanor Drake, was our co-director and is now our Director. Eleanor works at Judson College and uses her office computer because does not have a computer at home. Eleanor didn't even know when our district meeting was scheduled until I told her a few weeks ago. She has done a marvelous job at trying to put together a nice gathering for us and my hat is off to her! Thank God for her because as y'all know somebody tried to get a bylaw passed in 2017 to do away with districts consisting of less than 5 chapters. We fought for the NBF District and manage to prevail! Thanks to all at convention in 2017.it was a unanimous vote to defeat that bylaw change! Now, I sent out the notice about our district meeting as a spur of the moment thought the other day.it was NOT an official notice from the Director because Eleanor is not even on this list! I did it as a courtesy.our District is small and I didn't want Eleanor to go to a lot of preparation & planning for just a handful of ladies so I thought for ladies who might live at least within a 50 mile radius and had never toured historic Marion, they might like to attend. As I said, Eleanor does not have a computer at home. I sent out the flyer to this list that Eleanor had composed. I DID NOT COMPOSE THE NOTICE! Please forgive me ladies for not sending that "spur of the moment courtesy" out on the list by the allotted time designated in the BYLAWS. I try to do my daily Bible reading, but I must admit, I fall short of my "daily bylaw reading'..!!!! We ladies in the NBF District get along beautifully and we handle our responsibilities without outside conflicts! WE invite all of you who would like to come to our meeting and tour historic Marion, Alabama and enjoy a fellowship lunch with us at THE SHACK! Confederately yours, Pat Godwin.NOT THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR OF THE NBF DISTRICT --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Don't know why but the last 2 emails I sent came back "unable to deliver." -----Original Message----- From: Rene Greene Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 3:17 PM To: This is a private list for members of the Alabama Division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Subject: [ALAUDC] Re: email addy Ellen, Over the last two months you have sent me several emails to which I have responded, so at some point you have had my correct address. I will call you today if I receive mail from you. Rene Greene Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Ellen <ellenwms6438@gmail.com> wrote: > > Every time I've sent her a message, I get back a "cannot deliver" message. > Ellen Williams Pvt. Gibeon Jefferson > Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Betty Zeitz via ALAUDC > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:53 AM > To: ALAUDC > Cc: Betty Zeitz > Subject: [ALAUDC] Re: email addy > > Yes, Ellen, that’s the address I have. > > Betty Zeitz > AL Div Corresponding Secretary > > >> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Ellen <ellenwms6438@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Can someone PLEASE tell me if this is the correct email for Rene Greene: >> renesgreene@comcast.net >> >> Ellen Williams, 2662 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For >> questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: >> da4udc@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ellen, Over the last two months you have sent me several emails to which I have responded, so at some point you have had my correct address. I will call you today if I receive mail from you. Rene Greene Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Ellen <ellenwms6438@gmail.com> wrote: > > Every time I've sent her a message, I get back a "cannot deliver" message. > Ellen Williams Pvt. Gibeon Jefferson Sullivan > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Betty Zeitz via ALAUDC > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:53 AM > To: ALAUDC > Cc: Betty Zeitz > Subject: [ALAUDC] Re: email addy > > Yes, Ellen, that’s the address I have. > > Betty Zeitz > AL Div Corresponding Secretary > > >> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Ellen <ellenwms6438@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Can someone PLEASE tell me if this is the correct email for Rene Greene: renesgreene@comcast.net >> >> Ellen Williams, 2662 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Every time I've sent her a message, I get back a "cannot deliver" message. Ellen Williams Pvt. Gibeon Jefferson Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: Betty Zeitz via ALAUDC Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:53 AM To: ALAUDC Cc: Betty Zeitz Subject: [ALAUDC] Re: email addy Yes, Ellen, that’s the address I have. Betty Zeitz AL Div Corresponding Secretary > On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Ellen <ellenwms6438@gmail.com> wrote: > > Can someone PLEASE tell me if this is the correct email for Rene Greene: > renesgreene@comcast.net > > Ellen Williams, 2662 > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: da4udc@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Northam is in trouble so he’s attacking our monuments & statues as a diversion away from his own REAL problems! People like Northam is the reason for racial divide! Pat Godwin Reeling from blackface furor, Northam vows to ‘take a harder line’ on Confederate monuments by <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/author/katelyn-caralle> Katelyn Caralle | February 09, 2019 04:45 PM * * * Print this article Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam says that he wants to take down Confederate statues and monuments in the state. “I will take a harder line,” <https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-gov-ralph-northam-says-he-wants-to-focus-rest-of-his-term-on-racial-equity/2019/02/09/2a739b20-2c76-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.033dca9d6c7f> Northam told the Washington Post amid a scandal stemming from a racist photograph on his medical school yearbook page. “If there are statues, if there monuments out there that provoke this type of hatred and bigotry, they need to be in museums.” Northam is facing calls to resign after a his page from the 1984 yearbook that includes an image of an individual in blackface and another in a Ku Klux Klan robe and hood surfaced. Northam, who initially apologized for the photo, later claimed he is neither of the individuals in it but <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/northam-says-he-did-wear-blackface-but-not-in-racist-yearbook-photo> appeared in blackface as Michael Jackson for a dance competition that same year. In his first sit-down interview since the photo came to light, Northam insisted that he would commit the rest of his three years as governor to the fight for racial equality. Despite the calls to resign, including from members of his own party, Northam has shown no signs that he has any interest in doing so. He has said that neither one of the individuals in the racist photograph are him. Northam’s dedication to bring down Confederate statues and monuments comes after a rally in Charlottesville, Va., was organized to protest calls for the removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Nineteen people were injured and a woman, Heather Heyer, was killed after a protester attending the white supremacist "Unite the Right" rally ran a car into a group of counterprotesters. Other than the removal of Confederate statues, many have also sought to change the names of buildings, roads, and other locations that memorialize Confederate figures. Google Maps already shows a portion of Jefferson Davis Highway as Richmond Highway while Arlington, Va., officials <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jefferson-davis-highway-becomes-richmond-highway-on-google> contemplate renaming it to not include the name of a former Confederate president. <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/news> News <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/ralph-northam> Ralph Northam <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/virginia> Virginia <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/racism> Racism <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/race-and-diversity> Race and Diversity <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tag/american-civil-war> American Civil War * * * --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yipeee! I'm looking forward to seeing you! Thank you for your willingness to travel so far! PatG. -----Original Message----- From: alaudc-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:alaudc-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 6:46 PM To: alaudc@rootsweb.com Subject: ALAUDC Digest, Vol 14, Issue 93 Send ALAUDC mailing list submissions to alaudc@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at alaudc-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ALAUDC digest..." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Pat, I plan on being there, see you Saturday!!! On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > <#m_5362349447431681244_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > _______________________________________________ > This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. For > questions or problems, contact the list administrator email: > da4udc@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/alaudc@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

It has a plaque and the old gothic trim wood on the ends unlike all the others which fits the old ones of the earlier period. > On Feb 11, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Faye Gaston via ALAUDC <alaudc@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > JEFFERSON DAVIS PEW IN ST. JOHN'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH, MONTGOMERYPat---------One of my treasured photos is the one Cindi Himes made of me sitting in the Jefferson Davis Pewafter the Memorial Service at Convention held in that beautiful sanctuary. In renovation all the original pews hadbeen replaced except the one President Davis sat in. It had a plaque on it.Thank you again, Cindi Himes. ---Faye Gaston > ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: ROSEMARY DAVIS via ALAUDC <alaudc@rootsweb.com>To: This is a private list for members of the Alabama Division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. <alaudc@rootsweb.com>Cc: ROSEMARY DAVIS <rkdavis@mac.com>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019, 4:38:19 PM CSTSubject: [ALAUDC] Re: FW: Jeff Davis Pew & Plaque removed from St.Johns Episcopal Church in Montgomery Alabama > Pat, > > I have been told they’ve been Fibbing about that pew all along. The present structure is not the one present when jeffersondavis attended. > > RoseMary Davis > Cradle 94 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2019, at 12:21, Patricia S. Godwin <oldsouthrebel@zebra.net> wrote: >> >> The Cleansing of our culture continues! Do any of our members attend this >> Church in Montgomery? WE used to have our Memorial Service there during our >> UDC conventions but as I understand it, this church several years ago would >> not allow us to hold our service there anymore. Go figger. >> >> >> >> During the TEN COMMANDMENTS rallies in front of the SUPREME COURT >> building it was very hot that summer.Butch & I went over after work to >> participate until about midnight every night. These protests went on for >> weeks.I might add too, Butch & I walked around the block a few times.the >> buses that brought the folks to Montgomery to support Judge Moore & the Ten >> Commandments had out of state tags.the local churches did not stand up in >> mass numbers nor did surrounding Ala churches!!!! The Christian Coalition >> led the protests.John Giles was the president of the Christian Coalition >> back then.as I said it was extremely hot that summer. Some people went >> across the street to St. Paul's & asked if they could come in for a few >> minutes to cool off.some were suffering from extreme heat issues.the >> pastor/bishop of the church denied them access to the church for fear of >> "being seen as political"..at least this is what we were told.sooooo what's >> church all about.helping your neighbor.good will.and all that stuff! Guess >> these folks didn't have enough money to get in! Go figger! >> >> >> >> Churches "don't get involved in politics" .for fear of losing their 501 (c ) >> 3 status.but during Bob Riley's first 3 months into his first term as Gov he >> initiated the highest tax increase in Ala history called AMENDMENT ONE! We >> THE PEOPLE of Ala defeated this tax increase.however, St. Pauls Episcopal >> Church had a POLITICAL yard sign in the front of the church during that time >> that read: VOTE YES - AMENDMENT ONE - go figger! >> >> >> >> This is what I know about St Paul's Episcopal Church.if I were a member, >> this pastor/bishop would be getting calls from me! He should wish to have >> the Christian integrity of President Davis and General Lee! >> >> >> >> Pat Godwin >> >> Subject: Jeff Davis Pew & Plaque removed from St.Johns Episcopal Church in >> Montgomery Alabama >> >> >> >> Source: The Daily Caller >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This is a private e-mail list for members of the Ala. Div., UDC. 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Rosemary, When I inquired at the Archives & History Dept a few years ago about Emma Sansom's dress...I was told that they didn't know where it is currently, but "that dress was not really Emma Sansoms"! Well, it was in the Old Capital front foyer in a tall glass case against the wall with the history of the Legislature in 1901 constitution giving Emma Sansom 600 acres of land up in the Gadsden area for her heroism in aiding General Forrest in the Forrest /Steight raid! She was named the "Alabama Heroine"! When someone inquires about a particular artifact now...the story changes all together...saying that "it was really....."!!!! I wish we had some way to police these jerks at the Capital!!! Little by little our artifacts will be "lost"! Pat Godwin Selma -----Original Message----- From: alaudc-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:alaudc-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:51 PM To: alaudc@rootsweb.com Subject: ALAUDC Digest, Vol 14, Issue 91 Send ALAUDC mailing list submissions to alaudc@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to alaudc-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at alaudc-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ALAUDC digest..." --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus