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Mary Ann in Birmingham, I think your husband Rob Ervin is my nephew. If his mother is Elizabeth and his father is Robert Huey Hudson, he is for sure. I gave my sister Elizabeth a lot of info on the Ervin's, many years ago. BOB ERVIN at [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) > > >>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >as >>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., AL). >>COOL! >> >>Anne C. in FL >> >Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was >married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My >husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. > >Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL > > > > > > >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== >WANTED: MGS members to work on the MGS Online Staff and help maintain >and improve the MGS Web Site. Email <[email protected]> if you are >willing to volunteer or have questions about what you can do. >

Ann in Smoky Center FL, I am watching with a great deal of interest your email RE. George Gullett. The Samuel Ervin you refer to is my great,great,grand father. I have all or at least most of Sen. Sam's Ervin material, which he was kind enough to send me years ago. I also have a good photo of Countryside taken on the birthday of Sarah Asbury Tait Rives Ervin. It includes G.E. Gullett. I also made an inventory of the Ervin cemetery at Possum Bend(Rock West), Wilcox Co. I am also in contact with a lady from the MS Ervin's who is writing a great book on the Ervin's. Presently it is draft form. The old Tait/Ervin Plantation house, Countryside has been sold and subsequently renovated! Would you be interested in a copy of the photo? info from the cemetery on the Gullett's? I have also some other Gullett info. Please contact me on my email at [email protected]! I would like to chat with you. I live in Mobile. BOB ERVIN -----Original Message----- From: R. A. Connell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) >Jim, et al: This is Anne C. in FL. When I looked for my ancestor, George >GULLETT of Baldwin Co., in the MS Territorial Papers, I found him a couple >of times as a chain-carrier for a surveyor named Young GAINES. He is a real >person, NOT Lt. Edmund Pendleton GAINES, who arrested Aaron BURR and then, >as a Gen., got involved in the Florida Indian Wars! Anyone interested in >this family might check that source. > >As to that WHIDDON name in the subject line, I have no idea how that got >there. Not mine! > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Alfred Locke Miller, Jr. <[email protected]> > > >> I've never heard of Lt. Edmund P. Gaines called "Young" Gaines; but >>possibly, if younger than brother George, he was called "young" (lower case >>'y') Gaines? Jim > >>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >>>>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >>>as >>>>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., >AL). >>>> >>>>Anne C. in FL > > > >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== >When you need to know who writes the genealogical column in a local >newspaper anywhere in the world, visit the MGS NEWS STAND at >http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs/newstand.htm >

>Mary Ann in Birmingham, > >I think your husband Rob Ervin is my nephew. If his mother is Elizabeth and >his father is Robert Huey Hudson, he is for sure. I gave my sister >Elizabeth a lot of info on the Ervin's, many years ago. > >BOB ERVIN at [email protected] Dear Bob -- Ah-ha! It's Rob's Uncle Bobby! Yes, Rob Hudson is my husband. I would be very interested in getting copies of anything you got from Senator Sam, as Lib says she can't find hers. Rob has mentioned vaguely remembering a family story on a female relative vanishing on her wedding day and leaving her ring on a bench in the garden. Do you have anything like that? I have the story of Sarah A. Tait's tragic first wedding day, so that's not it. BTW, I have copies of family photographs showing your family from 1940 (that one's dated) and from several years before, if you're interested in copies. They were in Judge Ervin's desk when Rob got it. Also some photocopies of a hand written family tree. Mary Ann

Because this thread actually strarted with your question about WHIDDONS and census clarification. Sorry.... Mary Ann >Just figuring this is a mistake: Why is WHIDDON in subject line? >If I missed something about WHIDDONs, please contact me. >Thanks, >Susann >> >Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >> >GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >> as >> >a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., AL). >> >COOL! >> > >> >Anne C. in FL >> > >> Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was >> married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My >> husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. >> >> Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL

Wow, what a genealogical find? Really admire Ol' Senator Sam. Yes, outstanding, the Birmingham library. My Capt. Edward Malone, Sr., CSA, Mobile cotton broker, had an old maid daughter, Miss. Elizabeth Russell "Sissy" Malone (d12-29-1979?), Birmingham, Ala. She joined the Birmingham UDC on Capt. Malone. I'd like to locate her Birmingham grave. I question her death year of 1979? Jim, Charlotte, N.C. -----Original Message----- From: R. A. Connell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) >Mary Ann: I'm descended from George GULLETT (1784-1819) and Mary Ann EADES >(28 Feb 1800-26 Aug 1831), dau. of Capt. John EADES and Jane (Jennie) FEE - >all of old Baldwin Co. MT. As you probably know, they had two sons: John >Eades GULLETT (20 Aug 1816-21 Mar 1899 - my 2nd great-grandfather) and >George Samuel GULLETT (17 Mar 1819-14 Feb 1885). After George's death in a >fight with a mother bear, Mary Ann removed up to Wilcox Co. where her >parents were now living, then married (as his 3rd w.) Samuel ERVIN (6 Jul >1776-26 Jan 1823) and had Robert Hugh ERVIN (11 Sep 1822-11 Jan 1875; >Sen./Dr.). I suspect Sam was a distant cousin, as her grandmother was Jane >ERVIN and her sister was Margaret Ervin EADES. Sen. Sam ERVIN told me that >this Samuel was his great-grandfather's oldest brother who removed to >Alabama and I'm told he was in touch with the family in Camden, AL (where >they still live in the old plantation house). Did you know he was into >genealogy and left his entire collection to the South Caroliniana Library in >Columbia, SC? It includes a huge family tree someone else did, from the >earliest Scots-Irish ERVINS from Ireland. My Jane ERVIN may show up on it, >but not sure yet. > >Mary Ann married third to Dr. Squire GRAYSON of Wilcox Co. (b. 1793) and had >William S. GRAYSON (b. 1826) and Margaret Jane GRAYSON (1829-1831). Mary >Ann, her toddler, her mother Jane EADES and Robert HAILES, first husband of >her sister, Margaret Ervin EADES, all died in 1831 and are buried in the >cemetery behind the ERVIN plantation house at Possum Bend near Camden. John >Eades GULLETT married Rebecca Jane BLACKMON. Their son William >Blackmon/Ervin GULLETT came to Florida and married Victoria GEIGER. I've >traced both these families back to same area in SC and suspect their >ancestors knew each other! > >BTW, your library in Birmingham is magnificent! One of the best! Spent >several days there! > >Anne in smokey Centr. FL > >-----Original Message----- >>> >>Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was > >>married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My >>husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. >> >>Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL > > > >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== >The MOBILE BAY AREA ROOTS mailing list is hosted by the Mobile >Genealogical Society. Visit the society on the Internet at >http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs >

Message received. Sorry I could not help. If you figure it out, let me know. Good luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: R. A. Connell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) >Jim, et al: This is Anne C. in FL. When I looked for my ancestor, George >GULLETT of Baldwin Co., in the MS Territorial Papers, I found him a couple >of times as a chain-carrier for a surveyor named Young GAINES. He is a real >person, NOT Lt. Edmund Pendleton GAINES, who arrested Aaron BURR and then, >as a Gen., got involved in the Florida Indian Wars! Anyone interested in >this family might check that source. > >As to that WHIDDON name in the subject line, I have no idea how that got >there. Not mine! > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Alfred Locke Miller, Jr. <[email protected]> > > >> I've never heard of Lt. Edmund P. Gaines called "Young" Gaines; but >>possibly, if younger than brother George, he was called "young" (lower case >>'y') Gaines? Jim > >>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >>>>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >>>as >>>>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., >AL). >>>> >>>>Anne C. in FL > > > >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== >When you need to know who writes the genealogical column in a local >newspaper anywhere in the world, visit the MGS NEWS STAND at >http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs/newstand.htm > >

Bob, Is the ERVIN you reference kin to any IRWIN's -- for example, Samuel (Erwin) Irwin born in VA about 1790; or William Brewer Irwin born 3/5/1820 in Oakville, AL; or Edward Erwin born 1740 in Long Glade Augusta County, VA ? Terry

Where did you find the MS Territorial Papers to which you refer in your post? Kathryn

1816 List of Taxable Property Baldwin County, MS Territory GAINES, Young GAINES, Young Jim ---------- : From: James Alfred Locke Miller, Jr. <[email protected]> : To: [email protected] : Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) : Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:41 PM : : I've never heard of Lt. Edmund P. Gaines called "Young" Gaines; but : possibly, if younger than brother George, he was called "young" (lower case : 'y') Gaines? Jim : -----Original Message----- : From: Rob Hudson <[email protected]> : To: [email protected] <[email protected]> : Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 9:31 PM : Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) : : : > : > : >>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young : >>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown : >as : >>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., AL). : >>COOL! : >> : >>Anne C. in FL : >> : >Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was : >married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My : >husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. : > : >Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL : > : > : > : > : > : > : >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== : >WANTED: MGS members to work on the MGS Online Staff and help maintain : >and improve the MGS Web Site. Email <[email protected]> if you are : >willing to volunteer or have questions about what you can do. : > : > : : : ==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== : Interested in family history in the Mobile area? Consider joining the : Mobile Genealogical Society. Check out some of the benefits of membership : at http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs/membrshp.htm :

It was not uncommon for mothers to name their daughter after themselves and fathers to name their sons after their fathers as well as themselves. ---------- : From: Phil Wandrey <[email protected]> : To: [email protected] : Subject: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] [Fwd: Creek Indian?/ HALE and surprise in line!] : Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:32 PM : : This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : : : --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E : Content-Type: message/rfc822 : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : Content-Disposition: inline : : Message-ID: <[email protected]> : Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:22:46 -0700 : From: Phil Wandrey <[email protected]> : X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) : MIME-Version: 1.0 : To: [email protected], [email protected] : Subject: Creek Indian?/ HALE and surprise in line! : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : I may need an EXPERT here, not sure. : : My ancestor Jenney HALE , b. 1784 Creek Indian Territory in Wayne : County, : MS, was the d/o Hannah HALE (b.1765, GA) and : Haujo HOPAITHELE (b. 1758, GA) : : First question: Since the child was named after the mama, is it more : logical to think : that there was no marriage between these two, OR, was there likely : stigma : attached to name : and thus Hannah chose her surname for child? : : I hate to assume, so can someone please tell me, this is a Native : American, yes? : If we look at his name, any Native American informed folk out there who : think : they know what it means, where from, WHICH TRIBE, etc.????? : : This was the surprise of the week. I guess I should have wondered where : my cheekbones came from!!! : Is there a website anyone can recommend for me to look at, or : alternatively, any books, historical : selections?? : : I am fascinated. And will await all you : who really know your stuff!! : : SW : : : --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E-- : : : ==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== : The MOBILE BAY AREA ROOTS mailing list welcomes enquiries regarding : Baldwin and Mobile Counties in Alabama, as well as counties which border : these counties in Alabama, Florida and Mississippi. :

Jim, I helped you find the Malone Book at the Genealogy Library and you got in touch with the archivist and got the situation clarified I t hink. Woodiesr

Emanuel P Gaines and George Strother Gaines were brothers. Young Gaines was a nephew. He was the cattle man who had close relations with the Choctaw Indians. He married one of them. George Strother married one of his daughters. Emanuel P Gaines had an enviable military career. He was at Fort Stoddert when the former vice president was arrested and held there. Just from memory. Woodiesr

SW: embrace your Creek blood. You have a wonderful heritage. Please visit "Among The Creeks" and go to the section called "Some Creek Families & Friends" where you will find some material on Hannah Hale and her mate Far Off Warrior of Fish Ponds-- Hopoie Haujo, son of Mad Dog. There is even a picture of him. You might enjoy our list CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L where you will encounter several of your cousins. Best regards, Carol Middleton Among The Creeks http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/ SE Creeks GenConnect http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Special/SECreeks and Mobile Co., ALGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~almobile/ Mobile Co., ALGenWeb GenConnect http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Mobile Phil Wandrey wrote: > > I may need an EXPERT here, not sure. > > My ancestor Jenney HALE , b. 1784 Creek Indian Territory in Wayne > County, > MS, was the d/o Hannah HALE (b.1765, GA) and > Haujo HOPAITHELE (b. 1758, GA) > > First question: Since the child was named after the mama, is it more > logical to think > that there was no marriage between these two, OR, was there likely > stigma > attached to name > and thus Hannah chose her surname for child? > > I hate to assume, so can someone please tell me, this is a Native > American, yes? > If we look at his name, any Native American informed folk out there who > think > they know what it means, where from, WHICH TRIBE, etc.????? > > This was the surprise of the week. I guess I should have wondered where > my cheekbones came from!!! > Is there a website anyone can recommend for me to look at, or > alternatively, any books, historical > selections?? > > I am fascinated. And will await all you > who really know your stuff!! > > SW >

I had no idea!!! This is absolutely amazing news. My thanks to Carol and Kathryn for outstanding advice on where to go. Mouthy me with nothing to say but GOD BLESS THE ALABAMA LISTS!!! Susann Whiddon Wandrey [email protected] wrote: > SW: embrace your Creek blood. You have a wonderful heritage. Please > visit "Among The Creeks" and go to the section called "Some Creek > Families & Friends" where you will find some material on Hannah Hale and > her mate Far Off Warrior of Fish Ponds-- Hopoie Haujo, son of Mad Dog. > There is even a picture of him. > > You might enjoy our list CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L where you will encounter > several of your cousins. > > Best regards, > Carol Middleton > Among The Creeks > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/ > SE Creeks GenConnect > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Special/SECreeks > and > Mobile Co., ALGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~almobile/ > Mobile Co., ALGenWeb GenConnect > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Al/Mobile > > Phil Wandrey wrote: > > > > I may need an EXPERT here, not sure. > > > > My ancestor Jenney HALE , b. 1784 Creek Indian Territory in Wayne > > County, > > MS, was the d/o Hannah HALE (b.1765, GA) and > > Haujo HOPAITHELE (b. 1758, GA) > > > > First question: Since the child was named after the mama, is it more > > logical to think > > that there was no marriage between these two, OR, was there likely > > stigma > > attached to name > > and thus Hannah chose her surname for child? > > > > I hate to assume, so can someone please tell me, this is a Native > > American, yes? > > If we look at his name, any Native American informed folk out there who > > think > > they know what it means, where from, WHICH TRIBE, etc.????? > > > > This was the surprise of the week. I guess I should have wondered where > > my cheekbones came from!!! > > Is there a website anyone can recommend for me to look at, or > > alternatively, any books, historical > > selections?? > > > > I am fascinated. And will await all you > > who really know your stuff!! > > > > SW > > > > ==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== > When you need to know who writes the genealogical column in a local > newspaper anywhere in the world, visit the MGS NEWS STAND at > http://www.siteone.com/clubs/mgs/newstand.htm

Jim, et al: This is Anne C. in FL. When I looked for my ancestor, George GULLETT of Baldwin Co., in the MS Territorial Papers, I found him a couple of times as a chain-carrier for a surveyor named Young GAINES. He is a real person, NOT Lt. Edmund Pendleton GAINES, who arrested Aaron BURR and then, as a Gen., got involved in the Florida Indian Wars! Anyone interested in this family might check that source. As to that WHIDDON name in the subject line, I have no idea how that got there. Not mine! -----Original Message----- From: James Alfred Locke Miller, Jr. <[email protected]> > I've never heard of Lt. Edmund P. Gaines called "Young" Gaines; but >possibly, if younger than brother George, he was called "young" (lower case >'y') Gaines? Jim >-----Original Message----- > >>>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >>>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >>as >>>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., AL). >>> >>>Anne C. in FL

Mary Ann: I'm descended from George GULLETT (1784-1819) and Mary Ann EADES (28 Feb 1800-26 Aug 1831), dau. of Capt. John EADES and Jane (Jennie) FEE - all of old Baldwin Co. MT. As you probably know, they had two sons: John Eades GULLETT (20 Aug 1816-21 Mar 1899 - my 2nd great-grandfather) and George Samuel GULLETT (17 Mar 1819-14 Feb 1885). After George's death in a fight with a mother bear, Mary Ann removed up to Wilcox Co. where her parents were now living, then married (as his 3rd w.) Samuel ERVIN (6 Jul 1776-26 Jan 1823) and had Robert Hugh ERVIN (11 Sep 1822-11 Jan 1875; Sen./Dr.). I suspect Sam was a distant cousin, as her grandmother was Jane ERVIN and her sister was Margaret Ervin EADES. Sen. Sam ERVIN told me that this Samuel was his great-grandfather's oldest brother who removed to Alabama and I'm told he was in touch with the family in Camden, AL (where they still live in the old plantation house). Did you know he was into genealogy and left his entire collection to the South Caroliniana Library in Columbia, SC? It includes a huge family tree someone else did, from the earliest Scots-Irish ERVINS from Ireland. My Jane ERVIN may show up on it, but not sure yet. Mary Ann married third to Dr. Squire GRAYSON of Wilcox Co. (b. 1793) and had William S. GRAYSON (b. 1826) and Margaret Jane GRAYSON (1829-1831). Mary Ann, her toddler, her mother Jane EADES and Robert HAILES, first husband of her sister, Margaret Ervin EADES, all died in 1831 and are buried in the cemetery behind the ERVIN plantation house at Possum Bend near Camden. John Eades GULLETT married Rebecca Jane BLACKMON. Their son William Blackmon/Ervin GULLETT came to Florida and married Victoria GEIGER. I've traced both these families back to same area in SC and suspect their ancestors knew each other! BTW, your library in Birmingham is magnificent! One of the best! Spent several days there! Anne in smokey Centr. FL -----Original Message----- >> >Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was >married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My >husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. > >Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL

My ancestor, John Bolman of Mobile, was also in Capt. Gage's Company, Alabama Artillery. I, too, would be interested in info about the group. Cynthia [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone have information about Captain CHARLES PINCKNEY GAGE who > organized GAGE'S BATTERY from Mobile in the Civil War? I also have an > interest in any photographs of Gage's Battery or photographs that include > Capt. Gage. > > > Kathryn > > =

I've never heard of Lt. Edmund P. Gaines called "Young" Gaines; but possibly, if younger than brother George, he was called "young" (lower case 'y') Gaines? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [AL-MOBILEBAY-L] Gullett (was WHIDDON) > > >>Jim, was that Lt. GAINES who arrested Aaron BURR, by chance, named Young >>GAINES, who did a lot of surveying? My ancestor, George GULLETT is shown >as >>a chain carrier for him in very early MS Terr. records (Baldwin Co., AL). >>COOL! >> >>Anne C. in FL >> >Anne, is your George "George Samuel GULLETT" or the George GULLETT who was >married to Mary Ann EADES, or some other George GULLETT entirely? My >husband's line is Mary Ann's second husband, Samuel James ERVIN. > >Mary Ann in Birmingham, AL > > > > > > >==== AL-MOBILEBAY Mailing List ==== >WANTED: MGS members to work on the MGS Online Staff and help maintain >and improve the MGS Web Site. Email <[email protected]> if you are >willing to volunteer or have questions about what you can do. > >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:22:46 -0700 From: Phil Wandrey <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Creek Indian?/ HALE and surprise in line! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may need an EXPERT here, not sure. My ancestor Jenney HALE , b. 1784 Creek Indian Territory in Wayne County, MS, was the d/o Hannah HALE (b.1765, GA) and Haujo HOPAITHELE (b. 1758, GA) First question: Since the child was named after the mama, is it more logical to think that there was no marriage between these two, OR, was there likely stigma attached to name and thus Hannah chose her surname for child? I hate to assume, so can someone please tell me, this is a Native American, yes? If we look at his name, any Native American informed folk out there who think they know what it means, where from, WHICH TRIBE, etc.????? This was the surprise of the week. I guess I should have wondered where my cheekbones came from!!! Is there a website anyone can recommend for me to look at, or alternatively, any books, historical selections?? I am fascinated. And will await all you who really know your stuff!! SW --------------AF74F125E0510450A4DE399E--