I am amazed that a person requesting a time consuming look-up from census records by a volunteer and then thinks it is the volunteer that should spend their precious time by sending emails to find out just what it is that the requester wants. Undoubtably,these "asking"people have never spent any time looking through census records. Since a great many records are on line,perhaps instead of complaining about a "free"service,they should get off their duff and hire a paid researcher to do their work for them or go to a LDS Family Research Center(these are located all over the nation and can be accessed online as well before complaining about volunteers who are overwhelmed by people who have no idea of the effort it takes to locate census information. I suggest that all of you people who have never looked up someone on a census record, try it. Staring at page after page of old handwritten information looking for a certain name and family is not much fun. To the party who thinks the volunteer has any obligation to send them an email about their request and says,"..on another list where I was ignored a lot" I can only say that I can understand why. They seem to think the world has an obligation to to just drop everything and run right out and take care of their 'Wants". If you don't know how to do the research, they have good books on Genealogy research in public libraries and there are free lessons and helpful hints an rootsweb. And a statement may sound clear to that party, but the overiding rule of conversation is that the speaker has the resonsiblity to make sure the message is clear and understood, not the other way around. Doesn't anyone believe in the old adage of"God helps those that help themselves" anymore?????? I have no idea who the "list manager" for this list but I say, Three cheers for all list managers and volunteers, hip,hip,HOORAY,hip,hip,HOORAY,and hip,hip HOORAY!! Without them genealogy would be one heck of lot more difficult. Will --- ARTNFRAMES@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 6:37:36 AM Central > Standard Time, > cilcia@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > > > Maureen, > > > > Thanks for trying to make our lives simpler. > Those of us with census > > records are constantly frustrated by emails or > list requests that say "John > > Smith, 1880, father David." We are left to decide > if John was born in > > 1880, do they want the 1880 census, and just where > do John and David live? > > So many incomplete request go ignored, simply > because the volunteers don't > > know where to start looking. I do lookups for 6 > states, several counties > > in each state, so I get about 20 requests daily. > It's great to have a list > > mom that realizes that we have lives beyond > genealogy, and tries to help us > > out as much as possible. Thanks for all your hard > work this past year, > > Maureen! Happy New Year! > > > > Marci > > > > Marci Shaw Peralez > > All well and good. I think email works both ways, > rather than > ignor a request, send an email and request more > precise information, Maybe > that was all the person knows, or maybe they are new > and don't know what to > include. On another list I have been ignored a lot, > but I thought it was > because no volunteer was on the list at the time. > > Forgive me if I am wrong, but > > "John Smith 1880 Father David" sent to a specific > state, > would mean to me, person doesn't know what county > and they want a lookup in > state for any county for 1880, and John Smith would > show up in household of > the parents they were looking for, thinking that > there is a master search > that would give the name, county, for that year. > That would show all John > Smiths with father David and they could choose > logical one. > > Works both ways, person asking for lookup erred, > person doing lookup ignored > request and erred also. > > > Thanks for all the good work all the volunteers do > and we do have wonderful > volunteers on this list. We have some who are as > "GOOD AS GOLD" as I have > stated before. Without someone asking for help with > their search, we would > not need a list. > > Not all doing research are professionals, at some > time or another we all get > frustrated because seems like our ancestors just > arrived by spaceship, stayed > a while , left their mark and boarded the spaceship > and disapeared. > > Happy New Year to All, > I hope the new year brings all our brick walls down > > Betty > > > ==== AL-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > To transcribe a census please volunteer at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/map.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Remembering the Cherokee Sisters,Mary A-que-ta-key Peek 1900-1993 and E tlo'gi Vera Peek,1894-1995. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

I agree with Betty, and think that Will is just a tad over the line with his remarks, forgetting that many people are new to this hobby, and they really don't know anything about looking up census records. Some of what he says makes sense, but was delivered in a patronizing manner that could put off some people from trying again to get the information they need. Teresa Hostess: http://GenNetwork.org Family pages and databases: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~terishands http://www.skipworthcousins.ourfamily.com http://www.gencircles.com/users/tshan/1 http://terisha4.tripod.com/colliergensite/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Peek" <willpeek@yahoo.com> To: <AL-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [AL-CEN] Copy of the List Welcome letter :) I am amazed that a person requesting a time consuming look-up from census records by a volunteer and then thinks it is the volunteer that should spend their precious time by sending emails to find out just what it is that the requester wants. Undoubtably,these "asking"people have never spent any time looking through census records. Since a great many records are on line,perhaps instead of complaining about a "free"service,they should get off their duff and hire a paid researcher to do their work for them or go to a LDS Family Research Center(these are located all over the nation and can be accessed online as well before complaining about volunteers who are overwhelmed by people who have no idea of the effort it takes to locate census information. I suggest that all of you people who have never looked up someone on a census record, try it. Staring at page after page of old handwritten information looking for a certain name and family is not much fun. To the party who thinks the volunteer has any obligation to send them an email about their request and says,"..on another list where I was ignored a lot" I can only say that I can understand why. They seem to think the world has an obligation to to just drop everything and run right out and take care of their 'Wants". If you don't know how to do the research, they have good books on Genealogy research in public libraries and there are free lessons and helpful hints an rootsweb. And a statement may sound clear to that party, but the overiding rule of conversation is that the speaker has the resonsiblity to make sure the message is clear and understood, not the other way around. Doesn't anyone believe in the old adage of"God helps those that help themselves" anymore?????? I have no idea who the "list manager" for this list but I say, Three cheers for all list managers and volunteers, hip,hip,HOORAY,hip,hip,HOORAY,and hip,hip HOORAY!! Without them genealogy would be one heck of lot more difficult. Will --- ARTNFRAMES@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 6:37:36 AM Central > Standard Time, > cilcia@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > > > Maureen, > > > > Thanks for trying to make our lives simpler. > Those of us with census > > records are constantly frustrated by emails or > list requests that say "John > > Smith, 1880, father David." We are left to decide > if John was born in > > 1880, do they want the 1880 census, and just where > do John and David live? > > So many incomplete request go ignored, simply > because the volunteers don't > > know where to start looking. I do lookups for 6 > states, several counties > > in each state, so I get about 20 requests daily. > It's great to have a list > > mom that realizes that we have lives beyond > genealogy, and tries to help us > > out as much as possible. Thanks for all your hard > work this past year, > > Maureen! Happy New Year! > > > > Marci > > > > Marci Shaw Peralez > > All well and good. I think email works both ways, > rather than > ignor a request, send an email and request more > precise information, Maybe > that was all the person knows, or maybe they are new > and don't know what to > include. On another list I have been ignored a lot, > but I thought it was > because no volunteer was on the list at the time. > > Forgive me if I am wrong, but > > "John Smith 1880 Father David" sent to a specific > state, > would mean to me, person doesn't know what county > and they want a lookup in > state for any county for 1880, and John Smith would > show up in household of > the parents they were looking for, thinking that > there is a master search > that would give the name, county, for that year. > That would show all John > Smiths with father David and they could choose > logical one. > > Works both ways, person asking for lookup erred, > person doing lookup ignored > request and erred also. > > > Thanks for all the good work all the volunteers do > and we do have wonderful > volunteers on this list. We have some who are as > "GOOD AS GOLD" as I have > stated before. Without someone asking for help with > their search, we would > not need a list. > > Not all doing research are professionals, at some > time or another we all get > frustrated because seems like our ancestors just > arrived by spaceship, stayed > a while , left their mark and boarded the spaceship > and disapeared. > > Happy New Year to All, > I hope the new year brings all our brick walls down > > Betty > > > ==== AL-CENSUS-LOOKUP Mailing List ==== > To transcribe a census please volunteer at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/map.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Remembering the Cherokee Sisters,Mary A-que-ta-key Peek 1900-1993 and E tlo'gi Vera Peek,1894-1995. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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