I agree Roberta. I sincerely hope that we don't have any more of these type of problems. It worries me to have friction among friends, right? Jinny Roberta Cook <[email protected]> wrote: Enough is enough. We have all learned a great deal from the Aills group. I have not contributed as much as some of you have but I have contributed to the KY Aills. If there has not been a general rule of thumb, let's start one. If you are not certain of the info you are stating, just add "Speculation, no hard copy proof, as yet". I just could not stand by any longer and say nothing. Roberta ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx JESUS LOVES YOU

Help please, would someone tell me who the parents of Nichilas Aills is. Jinny [email protected] wrote:In the 1870 census, Nichilas Ales 35 wm farmer is living in Indiana > Boone > Perry with his wife, Mary F 30 wf, Eira Jane 14wf, Eliza A 11wf, Thomas 7wm, Dora L, 4wf and Samuel 8/12 wm. Sandra ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx JESUS LOVES YOU

I'll tell you what,,,,,,,, I'll leave. I don't want to be described as a bully because I object to someone adding a husband because of the name of a child. I don't want to see parents of Walker and William and many generations for the mother, Mary Burton just because it looks good and it MIGHT fit. That is junk genealogy to deliberately mislead someone searching for information. The only place Eugenia Melissa Aills appears on Ancestry.com or WorldConnect was found because she was my greatgrandmother and I shared the information on this site, and of course it was sourced as personal research. None of us have perfect information but we search for sources and for records that support possibilities, we don't just post something because it's a guess or will lead to contacts from someone who wants to dispute the information. The misinformation might someday be deleted, it might not be, but who copied it as fact and will look back to see if it was changed or corrected? The inaccuracy will be repeated because it was found on the web. And we're supposed to accept SO WHAT? I work too hard and I've worked too long to be as accurate as I possibly can be and to provide as much information as I can find to share with this list. If it's all right with you and you defend guesses that are given as fact, and I'm accused of being a bully then you can decide who you want to take over this list. You know my email address and if you want to continue to be made aware of something I find then you can email me and I gladly add your name to my private list of researchers who work to find, share and provide accurate information. Now, the Aills list is up for adoption. Let me know who wants to take over and I'll transfer your name to Rootsweb. I hope the guessing will end for the good of other people who don't know better than to believe that they find the name of husband just because there was a child by that name. By any other name, it's still junk being posted as fact. Good luck in your digging and searching. Take care, Sandra

Sandra, please do not resign. Can't we all just forget about the mistakes or whatevers and continue on as we always have. It is such a shame to have a breakup after working together for so long. Please let's all get back to normal and continue on as before. I for one do not want to see anyone leave the fold. Please, please let's all shout a BIG, Okay and get on with our mission. Love you all, Jinny [email protected] wrote:I'll tell you what,,,,,,,, I'll leave. I don't want to be described as a bully because I object to someone adding a husband because of the name of a child. I don't want to see parents of Walker and William and many generations for the mother, Mary Burton just because it looks good and it MIGHT fit. That is junk genealogy to deliberately mislead someone searching for information. The only place Eugenia Melissa Aills appears on Ancestry.com or WorldConnect was found because she was my greatgrandmother and I shared the information on this site, and of course it was sourced as personal research. None of us have perfect information but we search for sources and for records that support possibilities, we don't just post something because it's a guess or will lead to contacts from someone who wants to dispute the information. The misinformation might someday be deleted, it might not be, but who copied it as fact and will look back to see if it was changed or corrected? The inaccuracy will be repeated because it was found on the web. And we're supposed to accept SO WHAT? I work too hard and I've worked too long to be as accurate as I possibly can be and to provide as much information as I can find to share with this list. If it's all right with you and you defend guesses that are given as fact, and I'm accused of being a bully then you can decide who you want to take over this list. You know my email address and if you want to continue to be made aware of something I find then you can email me and I gladly add your name to my private list of researchers who work to find, share and provide accurate information. Now, the Aills list is up for adoption. Let me know who wants to take over and I'll transfer your name to Rootsweb. I hope the guessing will end for the good of other people who don't know better than to believe that they find the name of husband just because there was a child by that name. By any other name, it's still junk being posted as fact. Good luck in your digging and searching. Take care, Sandra ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 JESUS LOVES YOU

Pam I am so sorry. l ask you to reconsider your reccomedation to take you off the list. I have known you for several years,although not personnaly, thru, searches and my niece Anita Smith. She had alot of your works and passed some on to me when she passed away.Please change your mind, your friend, Jinny Pam Miller <[email protected]> wrote:I can not tell you how tried I am, this feels like we are in grade school & the bullies are picking on the smaller kids. Hello I'm not a little kid, I'm a middle aged woman, that used to really enjoy doing genealogy. I have been doing genealogy for a long time, & belong to quite a few groups, met more people than I can remember, & never have I been treated so rudely. I'm truly shocked. As for the statements that I put up information & claim it as my own. Let me state that I have never done that, I put on my site that the CENSUS research was done by Pam Miller, BECAUSE it was, I can vouch for that information. And in fact that is the only reason I put that fact on their. If somebody wants to take my information & put it into their tree (as many have done) & not state that it came from my tree, SO WHAT!!! I'm glad it helped them, If they believe everything they find on the net is fact, then they are not serious genealogist, they are just having fun & again SO WHAT!!! I never saw the rules we are suppose to go by, I'm sure by now I have broke quite a few, SO WHAT!!! As for the 30,000 name's I have, well that is wrong, I have 39,415, I would say 95% of that number is of my family, you see my family is LDS, now don't assume that I'm LDS, because that would be wrong. And many of them were far greater genealogist than I could ever hope to be. Is there a limit as to the number of family ancestors one can have on their tree? Bet I broke that rule too. The other 5% is my husband's, which this site fall's into, & even with that, this is the one of the smallest families, of his family that I'm working on. And this much grief is not worth it. I have met two wonderful women, that also belong to this site. I know that our relationship's will survive, because we respect & understand that everyone & everything does not have to be perfect. I try to treat other's with the utmost respect, even when I don't agree with them. And I must say this has really been a challenge. I also feel that when judgment day comes around, we will be judged, by the same standards as we judged other's. I have, said my peace, I wish I could say I've enjoyed this, but that would just be WRONG. Please take me off the list, so you can work at having a perfect list, I wish you well. I have a funeral I have to go to, & take care of the living, this has taken up far to much of my time. Pam Miller ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 JESUS LOVES YOU

I can not tell you how tried I am, this feels like we are in grade school & the bullies are picking on the smaller kids. Hello I'm not a little kid, I'm a middle aged woman, that used to really enjoy doing genealogy. I have been doing genealogy for a long time, & belong to quite a few groups, met more people than I can remember, & never have I been treated so rudely. I'm truly shocked. As for the statements that I put up information & claim it as my own. Let me state that I have never done that, I put on my site that the CENSUS research was done by Pam Miller, BECAUSE it was, I can vouch for that information. And in fact that is the only reason I put that fact on their. If somebody wants to take my information & put it into their tree (as many have done) & not state that it came from my tree, SO WHAT!!! I'm glad it helped them, If they believe everything they find on the net is fact, then they are not serious genealogist, they are just having fun & again SO WHAT!!! I never saw the rules we are suppose to go by, I'm sure by now I have broke quite a few, SO WHAT!!! As for the 30,000 name's I have, well that is wrong, I have 39,415, I would say 95% of that number is of my family, you see my family is LDS, now don't assume that I'm LDS, because that would be wrong. And many of them were far greater genealogist than I could ever hope to be. Is there a limit as to the number of family ancestors one can have on their tree? Bet I broke that rule too. The other 5% is my husband's, which this site fall's into, & even with that, this is the one of the smallest families, of his family that I'm working on. And this much grief is not worth it. I have met two wonderful women, that also belong to this site. I know that our relationship's will survive, because we respect & understand that everyone & everything does not have to be perfect. I try to treat other's with the utmost respect, even when I don't agree with them. And I must say this has really been a challenge. I also feel that when judgment day comes around, we will be judged, by the same standards as we judged other's. I have, said my peace, I wish I could say I've enjoyed this, but that would just be WRONG. Please take me off the list, so you can work at having a perfect list, I wish you well. I have a funeral I have to go to, & take care of the living, this has taken up far to much of my time. Pam Miller

Billy, what is the cost for the Indian DNA? Thanks Karen

Hello, to all. I want say that I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my seemingly objectionable letter about the misinformation I found again on the internet. I agree with all of you that everyone makes mistakes. I am not the only who does, nor am I the only one who gets upset that their hard work has been used to add to their list of 30,000 names in their family tree with misquoted information with claims of having done the work themselves. However I am not speaking of honest mistakes. No where in the census or any where else was my great grandmother referred to as Frannie Ophelia Jones. She was listed as Fanny or Francis. No one knew her middle or maiden name until I gave it to the group. I found her father's name in the census and emailed to the group. Those emails should be in the archives from about a year ago. I also posted my sources when I gave the information. That was information I posted on the group research for everyone to share. It was something you would have to have know the family to know. The children listed in the family of "Elias Alanzo" and his wife "Frannie" were also incorrect. We did not know for sure that "Sam" was Elias Alonzo until I went to the Gilmer courthouse and found the information myself. Now, I posted the information for everyone to use and I truly hope it helped to clear up some gray areas for those who have worked so hard to get the information for us to learn more about our ancestors. I did not share it to be misquoted and claimed as some one else's work. I got emails from one of the list members several months ago about this same issue. This person was just as upset about information that was posted on the internet incorrectly and claimed as personal work, when in fact it wasn't. The information I posted is, was, and always has been, ours. The work I did for it, was mine and should not have been claimed by some one else. I have been able to do very little to help you guys out with this tremendous undertaking and I appreciate more than I can say all that you have shared with me, but I have never and would never, ever say that I had done it myself. When I get an email and copy the information into my notes, I always write down who sent the email. You deserve the credit for it. I don't. Don't lose any more sleep over this, please. I sent the email to the list because I wanted you all to be aware that this was still being done by ONE of the members. It was in no way intended as a shot at anyone other than the one who is doing this to me, to all of us. I guess that I didn't use good judgement in sending it to every one. My only excuse is that I was very hurt and very upset. I still am. I did not intend to imply that any thing anyone else had posted was junk. More than any one else, I can appreciate how difficult it is to do the research and still remain sane enough to make the connections when it just seems to go round and round like leaves in a whirlwind, when everyone seems to have the same names and they all live in the same places (not to mention those who use names that are not even their own). It is like untangling thread in a sewing box. I still contend that this information was taken from the research site and do not appreciate how that was handled. I will never change my mind about people who do that. It is stealing and I don't like it. What I have found out about the Aills/ Ails/ Ales/ etc. family, I have been glad to share with all of you. I have received emails from some of you asking about my health because you haven't heard from me in so long. I got one birthday email and occasional emails from one member just to share a joke or pictures. They were really special to me to know that some one thought about me. YOU are special to me and I would never say the things you thought I said about you and anything you have done. Again, I apologize if I have offended any of you, But I still stand that this is wrong to claim some thing that doesn't belong to you. I am sorry about the way I handled it because it upset so many of you, but not about the way I feel about this. I am not very good with words but I sincerely hope that this time I have said what I mean, clearly enough that I will not offend any one. Rhonda

I know those looks you get. I get the same blank looks from my kids. I read not long ago, "Genealogist never grow old, we just lose our census". How true that is! I'm off to bed. It has been a long Monday. Marlene

In a message dated 9/12/2005 8:32:12 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > If you were being paid by the hour for your > research, you would be rich. You could probably even afford to hire someone > to > do your research. > Thank you Marlene. If I could pay someone to do my research I would be lost for something to do. Searching for Aills has become an obsession to me. Participating in this list with all of you is a huge part of my life. My kids look at me with glazed eyes when I talk about Richard or Washington or James Wesley like they are living breathing beings. Thank you, Sandra

Hey Sandra, I checked out the family group sheet you posted to the MyFamily site last night, and as usual you did a great job. I love it when everything is so organized right before my eyes; something that I can't say about my research. Thanks for everything you do. If you were being paid by the hour for your research, you would be rich. You could probably even afford to hire someone to do your research. Marlene

In a message dated 9/12/2005 7:34:07 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I am truly apalled that these people in Lewis County would consider all our > > hard work junk....... If that is the case please unsubscibe me. I will > continue on my own. > Why do you want to leave the list because people I contacted in Lewis Co are concerned about the junk they've seen on Aills on the Web? It's not people on the list who say that and I just said simply said I was sorry for bothering them and asking them to participate in the list. I hope you'll reconsider about leaving the list because of opinions of people not on the list. sandra

I would not quit because some people are not satisfied with the wonderful work all of you are doing I believe everyone is entitled to a mistake once in a while I made one back in 26 I believe it was. so grin and hang in their Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [AILLS] Family > In a message dated 9/12/2005 7:34:07 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > >> I am truly apalled that these people in Lewis County would consider all >> our >> >> hard work junk....... If that is the case please unsubscibe me. I will >> continue on my own. >> > Why do you want to leave the list because people I contacted in Lewis Co > are > concerned about the junk they've seen on Aills on the Web? It's not > people on > the list who say that and I just said simply said I was sorry for > bothering > them and asking them to participate in the list. > I hope you'll reconsider about leaving the list because of opinions > of > people not on the list. > sandra > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 > >

In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:50:31 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Some of us are passionate about posting the right info for the world to > see. Some of what you find is not always correct but putting it out there also > is a valuable tool in finding other researchers who may know something > helpful. I believe that is how we all found each other. > This has raised a subject that I am passionate about and I can't keep from weighing in on the topic. As Aills researchers and members of the list who mostly are family related on Rootsweb and on the MyFamily site, I passionately believe that we have a responsibility to each other and to newcomers who are just now searching for Aills, to be as accurate and credible as we can possibly be. I want the Aills researchers to have a reputation of doing good research and posting credible information to the Web. To deliberately deceive and mislead by posting information 'right or wrong' in the hopes of getting contacts from people who want to dispute what they find, is just simply dishonest and selfish to me. How many people go back to see if information they have copied has been changed? They copy and then perpetuate a myth. Honest mistakes are made and people change those mistakes when it's pointed out like the girl who had Ables instead of Aills did. That's understandable. I'm sure she didn't deliberately use Ables so she would get contacts. I beg you each to please disclaim guesses and possibilities by adding "possible," "assumed," of "guess" to your data if you post it to the Web. I have literately had people I've been in contact with since I started the Lewis Co. residents site refuse to have anything to do with our [email protected] because there has been so much junk posted to Aills on the Web. We have worked hard since we came together and the purpose of coming together was to find answers and solve mysteries. Let's please do the best we can in posting information to the Web and not just throw things out there. You just don't know who is going to believe what they find and add it to their data that will later appear as fact and there's going to be nothing right to be found in the future. Just adding those words of doubt will keep someone from believing what they find is credible researched information. We've worked hard to get it right so let us please try to keep it as correct as we can. I think we have a responsibility to other members of the Aills research group and to our ancestors to not create myths that we know are myths by throwing 'it' out there. Sorry, but I might get back on this soapbox again, sometime. :~) I really am passionate in trying to be as correct as I can be in my own data. Sandra

Thank you, Liz, for your mail. I too was deeply sadden by what has happened. I know many of us take this much too seriously and we spend too much sleepless nights over the Aills family, but we need to keep this in perspective. Genealogy is a hobby. Nothing we gain from this list will be worth hurting anyone's feelings. At the end of day when we don't know any more about the Aills than we did the day before, we still have the things in our lives that are important to us, the things that really matter; our faith, our families, our friends, and if we leave this earth not knowing the exact birth year of our Grandfather Aills, we can always go marching through the Pearly Gates with our laptop. Love y'all, Marlene

I am truly apalled that these people in Lewis County would consider all our hard work junk....... If that is the case please unsubscibe me. I will continue on my own. Everyone makes mistakes. I wish I had a dime for every time I saw my Walker Ailes all over the net as "Walter Ailes" I would be so rich I would hire a professional genealogist to dig for me.... I don't think any of our members are dishonest and I DO NOT think our hour and hours of hard work is junk. If that is the opinion of these people KIN FOLKS that is sad and I really don't think I want to know them any way..... I have loved ones living in a tent in MS since the hurricane.... Things like that should be what keeps people awake at night... I will not clog the list with anymore extranious information as you so eloquently put it once. I hope I have posted some JUNK that some one could use They can stay in the family tree as far as I am concerned. Please unsubscribe me. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [AILLS] Family > In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:50:31 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > >> Some of us are passionate about posting the right info for the world to >> see. Some of what you find is not always correct but putting it out there >> also >> is a valuable tool in finding other researchers who may know something >> helpful. I believe that is how we all found each other. >> > This has raised a subject that I am passionate about and I can't keep from > weighing in on the topic. As Aills researchers and members of the list > who > mostly are family related on Rootsweb and on the MyFamily site, I > passionately > believe that we have a responsibility to each other and to newcomers who > are just > now searching for Aills, to be as accurate and credible as we can possibly > be. I want the Aills researchers to have a reputation of doing good > research > and posting credible information to the Web. > To deliberately deceive and mislead by posting information 'right or > wrong' in the hopes of getting contacts from people who want to dispute > what > they find, is just simply dishonest and selfish to me. How many people go > back > to see if information they have copied has been changed? They copy and > then > perpetuate a myth. Honest mistakes are made and people change those > mistakes > when it's pointed out like the girl who had Ables instead of Aills did. > That's > understandable. I'm sure she didn't deliberately use Ables so she would > get > contacts. > I beg you each to please disclaim guesses and possibilities by > adding > "possible," "assumed," of "guess" to your data if you post it to the Web. > I > have literately had people I've been in contact with since I started the > Lewis > Co. residents site refuse to have anything to do with our > [email protected] > because there has been so much junk posted to Aills on the Web. > We have worked hard since we came together and the purpose of coming > together was to find answers and solve mysteries. Let's please do the > best we > can in posting information to the Web and not just throw things out there. > You > just don't know who is going to believe what they find and add it to their > data that will later appear as fact and there's going to be nothing right > to be > found in the future. > Just adding those words of doubt will keep someone from believing > what > they find is credible researched information. We've worked hard to get it > right so let us please try to keep it as correct as we can. I think we > have a > responsibility to other members of the Aills research group and to our > ancestors to not create myths that we know are myths by throwing 'it' out > there. > Sorry, but I might get back on this soapbox again, sometime. :~) I > really am passionate in trying to be as correct as I can be in my own > data. > Sandra > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I agree please, please don't leave us Liz. Don't make the rest of us suffer because of someone that could not hold their temper and clear it all up in a nice quiet way. We are all counting on you to stay, please. Jinny Billy Sinor <[email protected]> wrote:I would not quit because some people are not satisfied with the wonderful work all of you are doing I believe everyone is entitled to a mistake once in a while I made one back in 26 I believe it was. so grin and hang in their Billy Sinor ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [AILLS] Family > In a message dated 9/12/2005 7:34:07 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > >> I am truly apalled that these people in Lewis County would consider all >> our >> >> hard work junk....... If that is the case please unsubscibe me. I will >> continue on my own. >> > Why do you want to leave the list because people I contacted in Lewis Co > are > concerned about the junk they've seen on Aills on the Web? It's not > people on > the list who say that and I just said simply said I was sorry for > bothering > them and asking them to participate in the list. > I hope you'll reconsider about leaving the list because of opinions > of > people not on the list. > sandra > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 > > ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 JESUS LOVES YOU

Dear fellow list members, I just wanted to say that I didn't sleep very well last night. I kept thinking about Rhonda and Pam. I am sorry Rhonda is having so much going on in her life and it sounds like she is under overwhelming stress. I haved added her and her family to my ever growing prayer list. I have e- mailed her from time to time because we had not heard from her and I was concerned about her. There are so many things to worry about these days.....prayer works!!!!! I CARE about everyone who contributes to the list and to the My Family Site. We have all worked so hard together and have made so much progress sharing information. What I am trying to say is...... If I would ever rub someone the wrong way that he or she would write to me personally and off of the list to let me know. I believe in treating people the way we all would like to be treated. "Golden Rule" Some of us are passionate about posting the right info for the world to see. Some of what you find is not always correct but! putting it out there also is a valuable tool in finding other researchers who may know something helpful. I believe that is how we all found each other. I recently came across some Ailes info on WFT by a researcher who had renamed our Ailes family "Ables".... I wrote to her directly and gave her info and guess what????? She changed it....Imagine that..... I do not think the list is the place to publicly "flogg" someone. This sort of thing makes me very uncomfortable. I have noticed that we do not have as many people active on our list. I miss you all.... Tarney if you are out here... I miss you and your research. Genealogy is supposed to be fun and a hobby. It helps me take my mind of of things that are worrying me. We spend so much time looking for information about people who are already DEAD...... I think we should also think about the ones who are still here. Life is so short and things can happen in the blink of an eye....Katrina is a good example. Lets not turn this into a "pissing contest". My intentions are not to hurt anyone's feelings and I truly don't think Pam meant to either. However, if I did I am quite sure someone will let me know......... But off the list PLEASE. Liz

No, Sandra, that is not at all farfetched. There was a connection between the McClendons and the Carrs. I believe they were neighbors in S. Carolina. I just got home from church and I am not going to begin looking at the information I have on these families. Marlene

In a message dated 9/11/2005 12:14:47 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I did not get my information from you, there are 5 other family trees that > have the same information, or close to it. > > My source was, Susan Gregory [email protected]< > mailto:[email protected]> > > Does she have specific information that Walker and William, our Aills, were the sons of John Ail and Mary Burton? I would love to know that someone knows that for sure. Since you responded to me that you thought my 'discovery' was on tract, I incorrectly assumed I had made you aware of the possibility of a connection to our Aills. I was purely speculating that it was a possibility. I'll look for more on those 5 other trees that have John and Mary Burton Ails as parents of Walker and William. In June of 2004, I wrote to DRychlak and [email protected] who had John and Mary on their sites but they responded that they didn't have information on children. I don't have the name of the person you sourced. I sure would like to know what she has to confirm this connection. Thanks for responding to me. I get busy too and forget to list sources. sandra