Dena, Here's what I found: 1880 Union County, Arkansas Wilmington Twp CALBERT Ira B M 61 married farmer SC SC SC there's a 1 in each column 22,23 HarriettB F 43 wife keeperhMis Mis Mis " " " " " " Mary B F 27 daut laborer LA SC Mis " " " " " " Sallie B F 13 " " " " " " " " " " " Anna B F 12 " " " " " " " " " " " John B M 10 son " " " " " " " " " " Lizzie B F 8 daut " " " H???? B F 6 " " " " Ma??t? B F 5 " " " " Ga?? B M 3 son " " " The next listing is also in the same household, but I cannot tell if it is a last name or first, R?ddickB M 5 gr son LA LA LA Jane B F 9 gr daut " " " T???? B F 4 gr daut " " " If you'd like me to send you the image, I can do that in private email as an attachment. Sandy in Oregon

Hi, I'm looking for 'information' regarding my GG Grandfather CALBERT, James (AKA Ira), in 1880, Union County, AR. Wilmington Township, sheet 33. I have the 1880 LDS Census CD's but, they only give so much information, I need this man's information that goes 'all the way across the sheet.' If anybody can help, I will truly appreciate it. Thanks All and Happy Father's day to all you Fathers! Dena Jordan.

My Great Grandparents, Eli Sheets and Jennie Ann "Anderson" Sheets, and their children, appear to be from Hot Springs, Ark. My Grandmother Lilly Geneva "Neva" "Sheets Miller, died in 1933-34, when my Dad was only 5 years old.(In Sawyer Oklahoma). Can any one on the list tell me about Hot Springs Arkansas, back in the 1900 and today. Would like to enter this into my family records. Thank you- Sandy Scofield [email protected]

My Great Grandmother-Martha Jane "Revis" Miller was born Jan 16, 1872. When she was 18 years of age she married Tom Golden. In 1900 She was living with her parents, Widowed, with 3 children. On 7/6/1901, she married Horace Cisco. He died, and she married my Great Grandfather, Levis Benton Miller on 8/11/1901 (both listed as 24 years of age). >From what the family has told me, her father, Tom Revis/Reavis, made her marry Cisco, who was in his 80's. I have been told the Cisco family was very angry that she collected his Civil War Pension. Grandfather Levis Benton Miller Died in a sawmill accident near Athens, Ark, in 1913. Have been trying to find out what happened, and where he is buried. Martha Jane and the children went to Sawyer, Oklahoma after that (near by), (Sawyer no longer is there-it is under a Dam now). Also, "Uncle Bob" who was born before she married Grandfather Miller, carried the Miller name. When asked about this, her reply was,"He is just as much a Miller as the rest of you". (He never married, or had children, lived with Martha Jane. My father said he was "slow".) Would like a bit more insight into Martha Jane's life. Is there anyone on the list with a "Cisco" tie, who could give me their families story on this? Martha Jane told the family that her Grandma Mary "Elizabeth" "Williams" Reavis, wife of James Jackson Reavis, was Cherokee. I can't find any records on her before their marriage in 1844, Cherokee County , Georgia. Also- Martha Jane told grandkids they were related to Jesse James. The story was that Jesse James and gang robed a train, two of the men were hurt. They traveled several miles away to Arkansas, were they were tended to by (supposedly) Jesse's Aunt, Gilly "James" Fulton, My Great Great Grandparents were Gilly James and Horatio Sparburn Fulton, the man who was hurt, my Great Grandfather Levi Alexander "Alex" Miller, who was shot in the leg, ended up married to the youngest daughter of Gilly and Horatio- Dicey Ellen Fulton. (none of this is documented, that I know of).Alex and Dicey spent there lives in Ark. They are buried in the Athens Cemetery, both died Mt. Ida, Ark. Would like to here from any one who can give me any more on any of this! Thank you- Sandy Scofield [email protected]

Please get back on topic! Arkansas genealogy. The headstones subject is not Arkansas specific. Thanks! Jan Davenport AGS List Admin

Senility plays a large part in my life these days and I cannot remember where I read about this subject, but know that some of the old Confederate veterans asked to be buried facing north. I suppose they considered this an act of defiance in regard to the Civil War. I don't know of a person in my family, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc., who are buried in any position other than facing east. I believe it is derived from a biblical passage that was revered by most southern folks. I can remember my great-grandfather who was a minister, saying that folks should be buried facing east for "that great day when the Lord comes again." Our ancestors had many unusual beliefs like this one, and today we sort of shove them aside, maybe chuckle about it, but in the early days these customs meant very much to them. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

...it is very similar to my g-grandmother's name. Records differ, but we have Aminda, Minda, Mindy, Manda, and, oddly enough, Samantha. What is your true given name and do you have any idea of the origins? Marcel Gutierrez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mynda McGuire" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [AGS] Headstones > There is an interesting book called: > Texas Graveyards: A Cultural Legacy, by Terry G. Jordan, (Available in > paperback at Barnes & Noble and Amazon, under $15)and possibly in some > libraries...that looks at East Texas and the cultural aspects of burying the > dead...he looks at German, Southern Protestant and Mexican burials...all > close to Arkansas. One of the reviewers wrote, "For anyone interested in > rural graveyard history, this book has it all. Even though it is slanted > toward Texas Germans (Jordan is a 6th gen. Texan) and their particular way > of burying their dead, southern, black and Hispanic rituals are treated > justly. Tidbits: -in the southern Texan tradition (East, Southeast), sinners > and thieves are buried facing south. Everyone else faces east to receive the > morning sun, and the second coming." > > Mynda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marge [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AGS] Headstones > > > > That's what I was always taught. Did you ever hear your grandmother say, "I > feel as though someone just walked on my grave." Gave me shivers then and > still does. > marge > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Ann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:53 PM > Subject: [AGS] Headstones > > > > As long as the body is on the east side of the stone, and the > > headstone, in reference to the body, is on the west, I would think which > > way the headstone is facing would not matter. > > There has to be some uniformity or one would not know where to walk, as > > far as I know, it has been this way. I was taught to show respect in a > > cemtery, and DO NOT WALK ON THE GRAVES! > > > > Barbara Ann McDougal Foster > > > > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > > Please do not forward or cross post messages to this list or from this > list without the permission of the original author. > > > > > > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > ARKANSAS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY > 2002 FALL SEMINAR and BOOK FAIR > Friday, October 11, and Saturday, October 12, 2002 > Holiday Inn Airport-East, Little Rock, Arkansas > I-440, Exit 3 (Airport Exit) > For details see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~args/ > > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > The Arkansas History Commission has updated their website. > www.ark-ives.com > >

Even though my grandmother Beulah is not buried in AR. She asked that she be buried with her head to the north to keep her cool in the summer and her feet to the south to keep her warm in the winter. And so it goes Stevie

There is an interesting book called: Texas Graveyards: A Cultural Legacy, by Terry G. Jordan, (Available in paperback at Barnes & Noble and Amazon, under $15)and possibly in some libraries...that looks at East Texas and the cultural aspects of burying the dead...he looks at German, Southern Protestant and Mexican burials...all close to Arkansas. One of the reviewers wrote, "For anyone interested in rural graveyard history, this book has it all. Even though it is slanted toward Texas Germans (Jordan is a 6th gen. Texan) and their particular way of burying their dead, southern, black and Hispanic rituals are treated justly. Tidbits: -in the southern Texan tradition (East, Southeast), sinners and thieves are buried facing south. Everyone else faces east to receive the morning sun, and the second coming." Mynda -----Original Message----- From: Marge [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AGS] Headstones That's what I was always taught. Did you ever hear your grandmother say, "I feel as though someone just walked on my grave." Gave me shivers then and still does. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: [AGS] Headstones > As long as the body is on the east side of the stone, and the > headstone, in reference to the body, is on the west, I would think which > way the headstone is facing would not matter. > There has to be some uniformity or one would not know where to walk, as > far as I know, it has been this way. I was taught to show respect in a > cemtery, and DO NOT WALK ON THE GRAVES! > > Barbara Ann McDougal Foster > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > Please do not forward or cross post messages to this list or from this list without the permission of the original author. > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== ARKANSAS GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY 2002 FALL SEMINAR and BOOK FAIR Friday, October 11, and Saturday, October 12, 2002 Holiday Inn Airport-East, Little Rock, Arkansas I-440, Exit 3 (Airport Exit) For details see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~args/

That's what I was always taught. Did you ever hear your grandmother say, "I feel as though someone just walked on my grave." Gave me shivers then and still does. marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Ann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:53 PM Subject: [AGS] Headstones > As long as the body is on the east side of the stone, and the > headstone, in reference to the body, is on the west, I would think which > way the headstone is facing would not matter. > There has to be some uniformity or one would not know where to walk, as > far as I know, it has been this way. I was taught to show respect in a > cemtery, and DO NOT WALK ON THE GRAVES! > > Barbara Ann McDougal Foster > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > Please do not forward or cross post messages to this list or from this list without the permission of the original author. > >

As long as the body is on the east side of the stone, and the headstone, in reference to the body, is on the west, I would think which way the headstone is facing would not matter. There has to be some uniformity or one would not know where to walk, as far as I know, it has been this way. I was taught to show respect in a cemtery, and DO NOT WALK ON THE GRAVES! Barbara Ann McDougal Foster

Doe wrote: > there is a private cemetery in Arkansas with seven graves and they all face West.< Doe: Is the nearby road on the west? If so, they may have them turned so they can be read easily from the road. Our local cemetery has the stones turned west towards the road if the family wishes it that way. So, the burials are in back of the stones. If it is just a small family cemetery - they may not have been aware that tradition has the burials with the head to the west. I was in my forties before I became aware of the tradition. If it was a small private farm cemetery the burials may have been made to face the homestead. Regards, Nan Wolf [email protected]

Growing up in a rural area and with older foster parents I was told many years ago that the graves were to face the east so that upon Christ's return to earth, all the folks who were to "rise from the grave" would be facing Christ. This has always stuck out in my memory. Fran Alverson Warren e-mail: [email protected] 501-369-2703 http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan & George Wolf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: [AGS] Re:Gravestones facing west > Doe wrote: > > there is a private cemetery in Arkansas with seven graves and they all > face West.< > > Doe: > Is the nearby road on the west? If so, they may have them turned so they > can be read easily from the road. Our local cemetery has the stones turned > west towards the road if the family wishes it that way. So, the burials > are in back of the stones. > If it is just a small family cemetery - they may not have been aware that > tradition has the burials with the head to the west. I was in my forties > before I became aware of the tradition. > If it was a small private farm cemetery the burials may have been made to > face the homestead. > > Regards, > Nan Wolf > [email protected] > > > ==== AGS Mailing List ==== > The Arkansas History Commission has updated their website. > www.ark-ives.com > >

Brenda wrote: >I have been having trouble getting any information on my great-grandfather, James Edward Branum. I know when he was married but I don't know where and I know my great-grandmothers name, Fanny Wyatt. How do I research this? Especially since Arkansas' records only go back to 1914? I know that he died on Sept. 10, 1910 but I don't know how to research this either. Please help! How do I get started? < Brenda: Do you know where he died in 1910? If so, then by all means start with the censuses. If he died in Sept 1910 then he was alive for the 1910 census. Try and find him in all the censuses because his parents may be living with him in later years and his grandparents may be living in the household in his early years. For instance the 1910 census has: Name, relationship to head of house, Sex, Color, Age, Marital status, # years in present marriage, Mother of how many children, # of living children, birthplace of this person, birthplace of father & mother, year of immigration, Naturalized or Alien?, Speaks English? If not give name of language, Profession or occupation & nature of business, Employer or wage earner or working on own account, Out of work 15 April 1910?; # weeks out of work in 1909; Can read, Can Write; School since 1 Sept 1909; Owner or rented; Owned free or mortgaged; Farm or house; No. of farm schedule; Civil War Veteran; Blind; Deaf & dumb. Where do you find the censuses? At your regional National Archives, AR History Commission in Little Rock, or order the films through interlibrary loan from your local library or order them at the closest LDS Family History Center. Look in your phone directory for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and ask the location of the nearest FHC. (Family History Center). Remember that the census taker wrote down the name as he heard it so it could be Branum, Brannam, etc. Regards, Nan Wolf [email protected] HINDS - MATTIX - BASHAM - DOWNEN - RUDY - MARLAR

AM SO GLAD YOU EXPLAINED THAT ABOUT PROTESTANTS IN THE EARLIER TIMES BELIEVING THAT YOU RISE TO MEET THE LORD. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT EXPLAINED THAT WAY. THANKS EVER SO MUCH. AND I AM ESPECIALLY GLAD THAT THIS CONVERSATION IN ON THE EMAIL, AND TO ME. I HAVE NO WHERE TO VISIT MY PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS AND MOST OF MY RELATIVES EXCEPT AT THE CEMETERY AND I LOVE HEARING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ABOUT CEMETERIES. AM I MORBID? I THINK NOT. JUST A NORMAL WOMAN GETTING OLDER, LOL....... EUDORA EUDORA1957 UNITED WE STAND!

We know that the bodies are buried so that when they sit up they will be facing East. Flat in the grave, their feet will be at the East end and the head will be at the West end. The grave markers facing West were probably placed that way so people can visit the graves without walking on the graves themselves. However you will find the grave marker engraving facing either East or West. Common sense says that the walking on the graves would be the main reason. Most of the modern, perpetual care cemeteries, the writing or engraving faces East. I do not believe it is a tradition or anything.which way they face in any graveyard. Phil

Thanks for all the answers. It was just something that was so unusual to me. I thought maybe it was a religious belief and nothing else. Doe

Doe, I have been to many cemeteries and have seen many, many, headstones which face west. I have also been to cemeteries where the headstones face north or south. There does not seem to be any preferred method. What would it have to do with a religion or lack of one? Religion or lack one, that is a matter of personal Choice. For that matter, why even ask? What difference does it make which direction a headstone faces? Who would care?

Why face east? Modern cemeteries may be more likely to have graves facing in multidirections but in most frontier cemeteries and 19th century burials the head of the grave will be toward the west and the foot, toward the east. For the most part, the settlers of the South were Protestant and as such, believed that at the Second Coming of Christ that they would rise to face Him as He arrived from the east. This is a very valid question to ask and the cause is a marker for the culture, if not proof of the religious belief of the individual. Debra Blackard Clipped from message From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:46 AM > What would it have to do with a religion or lack of one? Religion or lack > one, that is a matter of personal Choice. For that matter, why even ask? > What difference does it make which direction a headstone faces? Who would > care? >

----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria N. Stone To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:43 AM Subject: Thanks I knew why the gravestones were placed toward the east I just wanted to know if anyone knew why they would place them toward the West. Are they atheists or agnostics? Just wondered as there is a private cemetery in Arkansas with seven graves and they all face West. Thanks, Doe Stone [email protected]