Some time ago, someone had posted an query about George Adams of Indiana, PA. At that time, I said that I would check with my father-in-law who was researching the CW of that area and others from Indiana, Pa. He finally got back with me and this is the information that he found. I hope that it is of use to the individual who posted the orig. item. John 'n Virginia In research of John Adams of Indiana, in the Indiana County History I find just one George Adams. (page 484) he was born near Marlin's Mills, Washington township in the year of 1842. He was the son of Edward and Mary (Kearnsey) Adams. George married Zabiah Stear. His paternal grandparents were James and Mary (Rose) Adams. George Adams, {page 299} Corporal 78th Regiment, Company "A", P.V.I. Wounded in Action. Mustered out at expiration of term. Buried in St. John Lutheran Cemetery, South Mahoning Township. This is as much as I could find on a George Adams. He is not listed anyplace with a middle initial. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/05

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams/McFarlin/McFarland Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9230 Message Board Post: Looking for family of Mary Adams maybe sis to Andrew b. Scotland lived Benton Co/Calhoun Co. Al. Mary b. 1818 TN. d.1890 Jacksonville, Al. Found 1850 Fe. census Benton Co. J'ville District. Andrew McFarlin b. @ 1814 S.C. farmer--Andrew Adams (brother to Mary) blacksmith. ggrands if anyone can help?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9229 Message Board Post: No. 073-05 IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 25, 2005 DoD Identifies Army Casualty The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Sgt. Leonard W. Adams, 42, of Mooresville, N.C., died Jan. 24 in Camp Bucca, Iraq, of non-combat related injuries. Adams was assigned to the Army National Guard’s 105th Military Police Battalion, 18th Military Police Brigade, Asheville, N.C. For further information related to this release, contact Army Public Affairs at (703) 692-2000. http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050125-2009.html POSTER'S DISCLAIMER: I have no connection to this person. Posting is intended as an act of genealogical kindness. This post is not a political statement. Like any obituary this post is meant as a genealogical memorial to the life of a human being. No political viewpoint is being express.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9212.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Chasity..... My Grandfather John Q. Adams was born 1861/62 somewhere near York SC, He had a brother named Glen[n] Adams, who left the family before 1880. I am trying to find their father's name....father was not on the 1870- 1880 census with mother [ Mary or Millie Ann Adams 1824-1897] my Grandpa was the only other son. What do your know of your York SC Adams family? Thanks' Steph stephaxi@mindspring.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams Olorenshaw Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9227 Message Board Post: Caroline Olorenshaw born in Leamington Spa in 1815 married a schoolmaster Richard Charles Adams at Kenilworth parish church in Warwickshire and they had 8 children. They had a boy's boarding school and after Richard's death Caroline kept on the school in the Square, Kenilworth; the school was opposite the chemist shop kept by her brother-in-law John Newton who had married Caroline's younger sister Mary. Their parents Thomas and Elizabeth Olorenshaw lived in Coventry. Are you related to these Adams?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/7353.2.1 Message Board Post: There are 2 Adams Cemetaries in this area. If your kin is in this one I would be willing to take digital photos of tombstones you need. Send me a list and I will see what I can do.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: John Adams, Old Cemetary, Johnson Co. MO> Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/7353.2 Message Board Post: Ruby, I am descended from all those Adams. working on Adams Wilks Co. NC & VA. Sure need documentations. Can you help? I would love to have a picture of old cemetary. Have been to Adams Memorial Cemetary many times. Anita my e-mail jahoman@kc.rr.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9226 Message Board Post: Found an old book on ebay that is a 1903 Title: "Men of Massachusetts" It might help someone find a photo of their ancestor if they are related. They have names listed on the page. The url is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=5635066714 Or you can go to ebay and do a search for item number: 5635066714 I found alot of old yearbooks, 1800's photo albums, and old family histories in the same persons store too. Most of their books have name indexes on the pages, that sure help when your looking for a book but don't want to buy something your not sure you family is in. Hope it helps, Jamie

Hi all, Here are some ADAMS links for your research. If the link breaks up, just cut and past it into your browser. GBUFF library search for ADAMS: http://www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl?index=131319&calln=6&lastq=%2Bfrost%20%2B131319partitionnn&sortsel=rel&psel=all&opt=ANY&doc0=0&query=Adams GBUFF database search for ADAMS: http://www.genealogybuff.com/data.htm#Adams SURNAME SEARCH UTILITY search for ADAMS: http://www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl?index=160383&calln=3&lastq=&opt=ANY&doc0=0&query=Adams Hope these help. Bill

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9212.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: My Adams family is from York South Carolina. I not sure if I have any one that lives in Chester I'll have to inform my grandfather, and other members of my family. Thank you so much for returning a message to my post.

Death index for Michigan Searching for the parents of James Stewart Adams > Hi, is there any one who lives in Detroit (Mi.) area and or has acess to > death records? I would like to find my grandparents information. 42 years > searching for my father ( who just dissappeared after my parents divorced in > 1955 ) never heard or seen of since. Just located him, he died in 1992 in > Ok. and his widow knows nothing of his past, absolutely nothing.... > > I will gladly pay for any cost for copies. I live in Texas and know I'll > never make it to Detroit. > > Thanks so much. If anyone need look ups in Dallas or Ft Forth area, let me > know... > Please email me for the names.... Thanks again for any help... > Joann > > joann94@digitex.net > > Looking for any information on James Stewart ADAMS > > Born @ April 23, 1923 has used 1921 and 1919...death certificate shows > 1923 > > born in Michigan > > Dies in Ok. 1992 > according to information in his bible: > > Father was Kenneth Adams > > Mother was Ruth Ann Campbell > > First wife might have been in Michigan > > Has possibly two children: > > Son Names James Adams > > Daughter named Darlene Possibly > > in 1951 he married in Topeka, Kansas twice > > early 1960 shows up in wynnewood, Ok. wife wife Mable and they divorce in > about 1973, he then marries his last wife to whom he was married to til his > death..... > > Thanks for any and all help anyone can share with me.... > > or any ideas to find information.... > Joann > > > > ==== MIWAYNE Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CI.2ADEB/8128.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I have been told all my life that I am related to not only John and John Quincy Adams but also Jesse James aand Harry S. Truman. I believe my great great grandfather was born around 1806 somewhere in Kentucky, then to Ohio and then Missouri. I think I may have Irish in my background. Shirley

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams, Stephens, Rowley, VanCaster, Rhodes, Burnap, Mattoon, Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9225 Message Board Post: Obit: Star-Gazette, Elmira, Chemung Co NY; 12 Mar 1965, pg 18 Note: Rev Bond Harlan, officiating Burial: Goodsell Cem, Hornby, NY Obit: no newspaper name or 1965 Clarence R. Adams, 85, of Hornby, justice of the peace there for over 30 years and a former rural mail carrier, died about 11 pm Tuesday in Glendore Hospital, CA, where he had been a patient for the past two weeks. Mr. Adams left his home Dec 15 to visit his daughter, Mrs. Ruth Rowley, a registered nurse at Glendora. He was born in Hornby on March 24, 1879 to Charles R. and Maria Jane Stephens. He was married in 1903 to Maria Jane Burnap, also of Hornby, In 1953 they celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary. Mrs. Adams died in 1961. A lifetime resident of Hornby, Mr. Adams was engaged in farming in his early days. The former Hornby Central Telephone system was operated in his home for 35 years prior to changing over to the present system. He served the Town of Hornby as peace justice for over 30 years and for 10 years was a mail carrier there. He was interested in the historical events of that area and active in its community events. Surviving are: two daughters, Mrs. Rowley and Miss Lillian Adams, a teacher in the Batavia Schools; two sons, John of Ithaca and Milton of Horseheads; three grandchildren; Mrs Margaret VanCaster of Washington, DC and Bertram Rhodes of Walpole, MA, a niece and nephew, who were reared by the Adams family. Funeral arrangements are being made by the Phillips Funeral Home in Corning, and will be announced on the arrival of the body here. FROM my records: Descendants of Charles R. Adams - 9 Nov 2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First Generation 1. Charles R. Adams was born about 1850 in , , New York.1 He died unknown. Household Record 1880 United States Census -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Charles ADAMS Self M Male W 30 NY Farming NY NY Mariah J. ADAMS Wife M Female W 29 NY Keeping House NY NY Winifred ADAMS Dau S Female W 6 NY NY NY Clarence R. ADAMS Son S Male W 1 NY NY NY William HARRISON Other S Male W 24 NY Farm Laborer NY NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Hornby, Steuben, New York; Family History Library Film 1254933; NA Film Number T9-0933; Page Number 272C Charles R. Adams and Mariah J. (Maria Jane) Stephens were married before 1874. They appeared in the census in 1880 in Hornby, Steuben, New York.1 Mariah J. (Maria Jane) Stephens was born about 1851 in , , New York.1 She died unknown. Household Record 1880 United States Census -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Mariah J. ADAMS Wife M Female W 29 NY Keeping House NY NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Hornby, Steuben, New York; Family History Library Film 1254933; NA Film Number T9-0933; Page Number 272C Charles R. Adams and Mariah J. (Maria Jane) Stephens had the following children: 2 i. Winifred Adams was born about 1874 in , , New York.1 She appeared in the census in 1880 in Hornby, Steuben, New York.1 She died unknown. Household Record 1880 United States Census -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Winifred ADAMS Dau S Female W 6 NY NY NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Hornby, Steuben, New York; Family History Library Film 1254933; NA Film Number T9-0933; Page Number 272C +3 ii. Clarence R. Adams, born about 18802; married Edith Burnap, before 26 Feb 1905; died on 9 Mar 19652. Second Generation 3. Clarence R. Adams3 (Charles R.-1) was born about 1880.2 He died on 9 Mar 1965.2 He was buried in Hornby_Goodsell Cem, Hornby, Steuben, New York.2 Household Record 1880 United States Census -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Clarence R. ADAMS Son S Male W 1 NY NY NY --------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Hornby, Steuben, New York; Family History Library Film 1254933; NA Film Number T9-0933; Page Number 272C LI: Resided, Hornby, Steuben, NY Obit: Star-Gazette, Elmira, Chemung Co NY; 12 Mar 1965, pg 18 Note: Rev Bond Harlan, officiating Burial: Goodsell Cem, Hornby, NY Obit: no newspaper name or 1965 Clarence R. Addams, 85, of Hornby, justice of the peace there for over 30 years and a former rural mail carrier, died about 11 pm Tuesday in Glendore Hospital, CA, where he had been a patient for the past two weeks. Mr. Adams left his home Dec 15 to visit his daughter, Mrs. Ruth Rowley, a registered nurse at Glendora. He was born in Hornby on March 24, 1879 to Charles R. and Maria Jane Stephens. He was married in 1903 to Maria Jane Burnap, also of Hornby, In 1953 they celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary. Mrs. Adams died in 1961. A lifetime resident of Hornby, Mr. Adams was engaged in farming in his early days. The former Hornby Central Telephone system was operated in his home for 35 years prior to changing over to the present system. He served the Town of Hornby as peace justice for over 30 years and for 10 years was a mail carrier there. He was interested in the historical events of that area and active in its community events. Surviving are: two daughters, Mrs. Rowley and Miss Lillian Adams, a teacher in the Batavia Schools; two sons, John of Ithaca and Milton of Horseheads; three grandchildren; Mrs Margaret VanCaster of Washington, DC and Bertram Rhodes of Walpole, MA, a niece and nephew, who were reared by the Adams family. Funeral arrangements are being made by the Phillips Funeral Home in Corning, and will be announced on the arrival of the body here. Clarence R. Adams and Edith Burnap were married before 26 Feb 1905. Edith Burnap3 (daughter of Perley Burnap and Sarah Adeline Mattoon) was born on 30 Mar 1879. She died in 1961.4 LI: Resided, Hornby, Steuben, NY Note: not mentioned in the obit of her husband, Clarence R Adams, dated 09 Mar 1965 Clarence R. Adams and Edith Burnap had the following children: 4 i. Lillian C. Adams3 was born on 26 Feb 1905 in Hornby, Steuben, New York.5 She was living on 9 Mar 1965 in Batavia, Genesee, New York.6 Note: 09 Mar 1965, in her father's obit she was called Mrs Lillian Adams of Batavia. In 1969 she was Retired with 40yrs service, Batavia School District. She died on 3 Apr 1994 in Corning Hospital, Corning, Steuben, New York. She was buried in Hornby_Goodsell Cem, Hornby, Steuben, New York. LI: of Rogers Road, Corning, Steuben, NY Obit: The Leader, Corning, NY, 05 Apr 1994, pg 3A, col 3 Note: Graduate from Northside High School, attended NorthSide High School Teachers Training Class; She taught several area rural schools before attending Geneseo College where she received her BS in Education. Note: Member of Retired teachers Association; a charter member of the Hornby Historical Society; served as a current Hornby Town Historian. Served on nominating committee of the Steuben County Hall of Fame. Note: Phillips Funeral Home, Inc, 17 West Pulteney St, Corning, NY; Rev Theodore R. Richards, officiating 5 ii. John Adams3 was born on 22 Aug 1908. He was living on 9 Mar 1965 in Ithaca, Tompkins, New York.6 +6 iii. Ruth Adams, born on 26 Jun 1911; married {male} Rowley, before 9 Mar 1965. +7 iv. Milton Adams, born on 11 Sep 1921; married Betty ( ) Adams, before 3 Apr 1994. Third Generation 6. Ruth Adams3 (Clarence R.-2, Charles R.-1) was born on 26 Jun 1911. She was living on 9 Mar 1965 in Glen Dora, , California.6 Ruth Adams and {male} Rowley were married before 9 Mar 1965. {Male} Rowley3 was born unknown. 7. Milton Adams3 (Clarence R.-2, Charles R.-1) was born on 11 Sep 1921. He was living on 9 Mar 1965 in Horseheads, Chemung, New York.6 Milton Adams and Betty ( ) Adams were married before 3 Apr 1994. Betty ( ) Adams3 was born unknown. Prepared by: Jean Kay Morse diamondl1938@yahoo.com Sources 1. 1880 Census, Family History Library, Mormon Church. 2. Death Notice. 3. GEDCOM file. Created on 20 FEB 2003. Imported on 20 Feb 2003. 4. Husband Obituary. 5. Steuben County Death Records, Bath, NY. 6. Father's Obituary.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CI.2ADEB/8915.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Carolyn- Do you have any names that are strongly used from generation to generation?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Adams Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/CI.2ADEB/9223 Message Board Post: No. 1053-05 IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 17, 2005 DoD Identifies Marine Casualty The Department of Defense announced today the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Sgt. Mark P. Adams, 24, of Morrisville, N.C., died Oct. 15 from an improvised explosive device while conducting combat operations against enemy forces in Saqlawiyah, Iraq. He was assigned to Marine Forces Reserve’s II Marine Expeditionary Force Augmentation Command Element, Camp Lejeune, N.C. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Adams was attached to 2nd Marine Division, II MEF (Forward). Media with questions about this Marine can call the II MEF Public Affairs Office at 910-451-5260. http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20051017-4921.html

I had two origins coming from my family "folklore". One - we were related to the presidential line and the other we were of Scots-Irish descent. I started my research about 10 years ago looking at records, message boards, etc. looking in both directions. I was getting more convinced that the presidential line and the Scots-Irish line probably were NOT conntected. My dad agreed to the DNA test and after several years of waiting, dna results are starting to be posted that may help in my search. The dna results for the paper trail to the presidential line are far from my dna results, so, I can stop my search in that direction. I have found one Adams surname 12 marker match whom I think is a real cousin and a 25 marker EXACT match with a Smith surname with a 62 percent possibility of a MRCA 100 years ago and an 84 percent 200 years ago and 94 percent 300 years ago. I have not be able to find my Thomas Adams b 1770 before 1814 when he married in Jefferson Co., OH. He is on the 1820 and 1830 Crawford Co., OH census and the 1840 census in Porter Co., IN. He died in 1843. I have names and bith dates of all his 20 children, including 9 born before his 1814 marriage. I have the first name of his first wife, Agnes, with a marriage date of Nov 26, 1791. A LDS Indvidual record lists his father as Samuel Adams b 1744 in York, PA and a LDS IGI record listing his father as Samuel Lorenzo Adams. Since, I have not been able to find any records before 1814, I don't know who his parents are or where he was born. The 12 marker Adams match has proof that her family started in th 1790s in PA. The 25 exact Smith match has proof back to 1819 in Maryland. I have been at a standstill for a couple of years. Hopefully, after more Adams' do dna testing I will find another match that will shed a little more light on who, what, where, when and why to my Adams line. Aileen Adams Brandis

In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, barbray@mindspring.com writes: I have a few quick thoughts on the subject of Adams DNA and John Walden's hard work and web site. I hear and understand Sue's frustration. It is easy to have high expectations. But, we are pioneers in this early period of DNA testing. What this means to me is that the sample size for the Adams population or any other surname group is still very, very, very small. But, the sample will grow, and as it does, we all stand to gain from the process. And, our sample results will stay on record far into the future, with matches possible at any time. In my case, as I believe I've mentioned before on the Adams list, there were two very significant Adams matches for my research. I and other cousins had been trying for a long period to document what was oral tradition in the family of Francis Adams (1763 Ireland to 1846 MS). We might have continued this search for many years without learning what we did from the Y-chromosome DNA testing. So, this was lucky for us, but these two men were tested as part of a larger, more traditional genealogical research effort. Without the latter, work done by many over the years, the DNA would have meant little. In addition three matches between my maternal uncle, Sue's brother and another cousin in Texas led us back to Ireland and the common ancestry there. But, we do not know who that most recent common ancestor (MRCA) is. However, as the international testing effort continues, descendants of this MRCA in Ireland and England could add greatly to our data and understanding of family history. From my more traditional Adams research, the line goes back about 300 years; for Sue it's a bit shorter, yet there are common ancestors probably at about 350 years. Time is on our side. Please keep testing and recruit others to do the same. When I submitted the first DNA sample several years ago (for my father), I did not expect much. But, his advanced age guided me to get his DNA on record quickly. Perhaps others will find that a useful thing to do for similar reasons. My best regards, Barbara McDaniel Ray Atlanta, GA Hi Barb: Thanks for the very well put response. I am very frustrated, especially because one of the people and I can't remember if it was you or the other, claims their Adams were from SC at the same time mine were from PA and Ohio. I thought that very odd. They didn't even know of the Ireland origins. Something else I thought odd. That whole scenario made me wonder if the DNA is accurate and how could the same Adams's be from different places at the same time. I am not a historian, although I am working on that as we speak, but I began to entertain the thought that it might not be a good idea to let the DNA guide me until I am sure it is accurate. I don't want to waste precious time assuming something that takes me off in a completely wrong direction. What little I have learned about my Adams lead me to think they were adventurers and were not afraid of moving to completely new and undiscovered territory. I have a William Adams who was born in Ohio abt 1863 and is completely across the country, in California by 1910. Even today, I wouldn't be that adventurous, and we have all kinds of methods of travel. Not only that, but he was an orphan from the age of 12 or so, basically. Other Adams boys (ages 18-25) were found in the 1880 census as loggers in Montana! However, they were obviously a proud family because, even though they were probably poor, the monuments on the James and Sarah born in Ireland, are some of the largest and most personal in the little cemetery in Ohio on a lonely country road. They are buried in a little spot that looks down on the land they worked for 30 years, with the mountains meeting the sky above. A perfect place to rest. Thanks for the response Barb! Sue Sue

I have a few quick thoughts on the subject of Adams DNA and John Walden's hard work and web site. I hear and understand Sue's frustration. It is easy to have high expectations. But, we are pioneers in this early period of DNA testing. What this means to me is that the sample size for the Adams population or any other surname group is still very, very, very small. But, the sample will grow, and as it does, we all stand to gain from the process. And, our sample results will stay on record far into the future, with matches possible at any time. In my case, as I believe I've mentioned before on the Adams list, there were two very significant Adams matches for my research. I and other cousins had been trying for a long period to document what was oral tradition in the family of Francis Adams (1763 Ireland to 1846 MS). We might have continued this search for many years without learning what we did from the Y-chromosome DNA testing. So, this was lucky for us, but these two men were tested as part of a larger, more traditional genealogical research effort. Without the latter, work done by many over the years, the DNA would have meant little. In addition three matches between my maternal uncle, Sue's brother and another cousin in Texas led us back to Ireland and the common ancestry there. But, we do not know who that most recent common ancestor (MRCA) is. However, as the international testing effort continues, descendants of this MRCA in Ireland and England could add greatly to our data and understanding of family history. From my more traditional Adams research, the line goes back about 300 years; for Sue it's a bit shorter, yet there are common ancestors probably at about 350 years. Time is on our side. Please keep testing and recruit others to do the same. When I submitted the first DNA sample several years ago (for my father), I did not expect much. But, his advanced age guided me to get his DNA on record quickly. Perhaps others will find that a useful thing to do for similar reasons. My best regards, Barbara McDaniel Ray Atlanta, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <TeacherG4@aol.com> To: <ADAMS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ADAMS-L] Re: Anyone related to the Pres John Adams or John Q. Adams? > About the DNA testing, > > I am not sure at all about the use of DNA testing. > > With three pretty good matches, all I have found out is that someone is 350 > bucks richer! > > Where is the scientific data to support the testing? On the website, it > even says that if you match up with people who have a different last name, to > disregard it, that it isn't really a match. I asked myself,...what if you > match up with someone with the same last name, how do you know if you are really > related....then there is the whole timeline thing. Come on! 700 years ago > is a long time to try to match up with ancestors! Certainly, for the price > they are charging, they could get us connected a little more recent than that! > > I have always been told that my family are descendents of President Adams. > I am no closer than before to proving or disproving that, even with DNA > testing, at least in my opinion. > > Sue Adams Diaz > > > ==== ADAMS Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE in MAIL mode use: Adams-l-request@rootsweb.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE in DIGEST mode use: Adams-D-request@rootsweb.com > List-Manager's Address: Adams-admin@rootsweb.com > Archives: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/a/d/ADAMS > For Virus help: http://www.wvi.com/~wb/virushelp.html > >

Sue It is true that different people have different results and not every one gets all they want from it. Every family situation is different and there are success stories in many of the Surname Projects. The Adams Project has one success story posted on the web site. Sue wrote "Where is the scientific data to support the testing? " There is a significant number of scientic articals in journals on DNA testing for those that wish to read them. There are peer review science articals in the field of DNA testing and goverment, NIST, standards for the test used by the companies. The issue on the value of the last name as a part of this matching business is just now being understood. In the past there were theories on people changing surnames, and adoptions and other non-parental events. But they were just theories. Now with the DNA testing some of these issus can acutully be quantified. And from what I see there is a lot of credit to be given to a matcing last name. I see the last name match as being at least equal to the DNA match. If you remove one or the other then you have dimished the confidence in the matching by half. Sue wrote "I have always been told that my family are descendents of President Adams. I am no closer than before to proving or disproving that, even with DNA testing, at least in my opinion." The scientific facts are your group of 3 Adams men supports you paper genealogy back to the 1700s [or is it 1600s?]. And the documented Presidential line 3 Adams men supports that back to the son of Henry in the 1600s The DNA between the two are so different they cannot have a common ancestor for over 10,000 years. So in my opinion your Adams family, just like my Adams family, cannot be related to the Presidential Adams family through the male line. We both could have maternal connections but that is not what the Y-DNA tests. John Walden Volunteer Project Manager Adams Surname Y-DNA Project

About the DNA testing, I am not sure at all about the use of DNA testing. With three pretty good matches, all I have found out is that someone is 350 bucks richer! Where is the scientific data to support the testing? On the website, it even says that if you match up with people who have a different last name, to disregard it, that it isn't really a match. I asked myself,...what if you match up with someone with the same last name, how do you know if you are really related....then there is the whole timeline thing. Come on! 700 years ago is a long time to try to match up with ancestors! Certainly, for the price they are charging, they could get us connected a little more recent than that! I have always been told that my family are descendents of President Adams. I am no closer than before to proving or disproving that, even with DNA testing, at least in my opinion. Sue Adams Diaz