I have begun to enter the "Ajouts et corrections" (Additions and corrections) to Stephen A. White's DICTIONNAIRE GENEALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ACADIENNES that he posted in Sep 2003. Thanks, Lucie, for the notice of the new version at < www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cor-dict.htm> (Forgive my omitting French accents, but they appear in such varied ways on this list that I find it easier to read text without them.) I am still in the "A"s, but the biggest change so far has been that on p. 41 Martin AUCOIN (2) (born around 1651), is no longer listed as "prob" son of Martin AUCOIN & Marie SALLE. This was apparently necessitated by the other revision that places that 1st Martin AUCOIN with wife Barbe MINGUET as parents of Jeanne AUCOIN. Her baptism at Ste-Marguerite of La Rochelle on 26 Nov 1630 names the parents. The same signature of her godfather also appeared as witness to her father Martin AUCOIN (1)'s marriage on 20 Jan 1632 to Marie SALLE. Since Jeanne is sister of Michelle AUCOIN (born around 1621), that makes Martin AUCOIN (1) Michelle's father as well. A note for her does hedge a bit with "peut-etre issue d'une alliance anterieure" (perhaps child of an earlier alliance). Thanks to Don Boudreaux of Lafayette, Louisiana for sending a copy of the baptismal record to Moncton. An added note is: "Vu le manque de dispense, nous ne croyons pas que l'epoux de Marie Gaudet pouvait etre le fils du deuxieme lit du menuisier de La Rochelle, mais il existe toujours la possibilite qu'il soit apparente aux soeurs Michelle et Jeanne, dans un degre plus lointain." (In view of the lack of dispensations, we do not believe that the husband of Marie Gaudet could be a son of the second marriage of the carpenter of La Rochelle. But there always exists the possibility that he could be related to the sisters Michelle and Jeanne in a more distant degree.) Since I am related once to Martin AUCOIN (2), and to Michelle AUCOIN twice, and to Jeanne AUCOIN twice, this has altered my pedigree chart somewhat. I have lost the infamous Marie SALLE as an ancestor, however, and don't know whether to heave a sigh of relief, or just be amused, after all the discussions here about her probable second husband Jean CLAUDE. On to the "B"s! Karen Theriot Reader KATheriot@aol.com
I'm sorry I don't follow your explanation. Is Martin no longer listed as "prob" son but now definitely is a son or definitely not? I think you are saying "not" but I couldn't see why? John confused in sunny Vancouver ----- Original Message ----- From: <KATheriot@aol.com> To: <ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Martin AUCOIN & Marie SALLÉ > I have begun to enter the "Ajouts et corrections" (Additions and > corrections) to Stephen A. White's DICTIONNAIRE GENEALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ACADIENNES > that he posted in Sep 2003. Thanks, Lucie, for the notice of the new version at < > www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cor-dict.htm> (Forgive my omitting > French accents, but they appear in such varied ways on this list that I find it > easier to read text without them.) > I am still in the "A"s, but the biggest change so far has been that on p. > 41 Martin AUCOIN (2) (born around 1651), is no longer listed as "prob" son of > Martin AUCOIN & Marie SALLE. This was apparently necessitated by the other > revision that places that 1st Martin AUCOIN with wife Barbe MINGUET as parents of > Jeanne AUCOIN. Her baptism at Ste-Marguerite of La Rochelle on 26 Nov 1630 > names the parents. The same signature of her godfather also appeared as witness > to her father Martin AUCOIN (1)'s marriage on 20 Jan 1632 to Marie SALLE. > Since Jeanne is sister of Michelle AUCOIN (born around 1621), that makes Martin > AUCOIN (1) Michelle's father as well. A note for her does hedge a bit with > "peut-etre issue d'une alliance anterieure" (perhaps child of an earlier alliance). > Thanks to Don Boudreaux of Lafayette, Louisiana for sending a copy of the > baptismal record to Moncton. > An added note is: "Vu le manque de dispense, nous ne croyons pas que > l'epoux de Marie Gaudet pouvait etre le fils du deuxieme lit du menuisier de La > Rochelle, mais il existe toujours la possibilite qu'il soit apparente aux soeurs > Michelle et Jeanne, dans un degre plus lointain." (In view of the lack of > dispensations, we do not believe that the husband of Marie Gaudet could be a son > of the second marriage of the carpenter of La Rochelle. But there always > exists the possibility that he could be related to the sisters Michelle and Jeanne > in a more distant degree.) > Since I am related once to Martin AUCOIN (2), and to Michelle AUCOIN > twice, and to Jeanne AUCOIN twice, this has altered my pedigree chart somewhat. I > have lost the infamous Marie SALLE as an ancestor, however, and don't know > whether to heave a sigh of relief, or just be amused, after all the discussions > here about her probable second husband Jean CLAUDE. > On to the "B"s! > > Karen Theriot Reader > KATheriot@aol.com > > > > ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.acadian-cajun > This is a link to the Acadian-Cajun Message Board at RootsWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
<<Regarding the additions and corrections to the DGFA, I do not have any present plans to translate them into English. The corrections to the front matter of the work are nearly all things that I discovered as I was making the English translation of that front matter. Consequently, the English Supplement already reflects all of these corrections, as well as some of the corrections in the explanatory notes (for example, note iii appended to the 11th Boudrot family, which is clearly marked in the supplement as a replacement, rather than a translation, of the original note in the DGFA). Many of the other changes represent simple replacements of a few words set off in quotation marks by a few more also set off in that same way, or of the addition of a few words, these often containing the notation of the person's death and burial. To follow these, all one needs to know are a few "key" words and phrases, such as "au lieu de," meaning "instead of," "lire," meaning "read," "ajouter," meaning "add," and "enlever" or "supprimer," meaning "drop" or "cross out." Besides these things, there are a few new families, but all the information concerning these is set up in the same format employed in the DGFA, using the same abbreviations, and should require no translation. Beyond that, there are some new explanatory notes, but there aren't many of these, and I should think that anyone who is seriously interested in Acadian genealogy either would be able to work through these with the help of a dictionary or would know someone who could translate for them. >From what you have forwarded, it is evident that researchers like Mrs. Reader understand enough of my French to be able to work comfortably with the additions and corrections. However, one nuance of the situation has been missed. The dispensations I found between the Aucoin and Boudrot descendants (there having been no marriages between any of the Aucoins of the first three generations and Girouard descendants) rule out completely any possibility that Martin Aucoin "(2)" might have been a half-brother to the sisters Michelle and Jeanne. Father Godbout's suggestion, on the other hand, was that considering their various ages the sisters might be "(2)"'s aunts. This is where there is some ambiguity in the dispensations. Take the case of Paul Aucoin and Marie LeBlanc, who were married at Grand-Pré on Aug. 6, 1737. They had a dispensation for consanguinity in the fourth degree. Marie's mother was a Boudrot, and one of her great-grandmother's was thus Michelle Aucoin. Paul's great-grandfather Aucoin might have been Michelle's brother (of half-brother), and that would explain the dispensation. But another of Paul's great-grandfathers was Denis Gaudet, who was a brother of Marie LeBlanc's great-grandmother Françoise Gaudet, so we are in no way required to presume that there was such a near relationship between Michelle and Martin Aucoin "(2)." The ambiguity in this comes from the fact that the priests at that time did not always double dispensations, even though there were two (or more) relationships in the same degree, so we cannot categorically rule out the possible existence of a second fourth degree relationship. That is why I say in the DGFA (p. 40) that we have nothing at this point that gives us a definitive answer to Father Godbout's question about Martin "(2)" possibly being the sisters' nephew.>> Lucie LeBlanc Consentino Acadian & French Canadian Ancestral Home www.acadian-home.org Am-Can Gen Soc www.acgs.org CMA 2004 - www.cma2004.com Grand-Pré - http://www.grand-pre.com/ www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html -----Original Message----- From: KATheriot@aol.com [mailto:KATheriot@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:47 PM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Martin AUCOIN & Marie SALLÉ I have begun to enter the "Ajouts et corrections" (Additions and corrections) to Stephen A. White's DICTIONNAIRE GENEALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ACADIENNES that he posted in Sep 2003. Thanks, Lucie, for the notice of the new version at < www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cor-dict.htm> (Forgive my omitting French accents, but they appear in such varied ways on this list that I find it easier to read text without them.) I am still in the "A"s, but the biggest change so far has been that on p. 41 Martin AUCOIN (2) (born around 1651), is no longer listed as "prob" son of Martin AUCOIN & Marie SALLE. This was apparently necessitated by the other revision that places that 1st Martin AUCOIN with wife Barbe MINGUET as parents of Jeanne AUCOIN. Her baptism at Ste-Marguerite of La Rochelle on 26 Nov 1630 names the parents. The same signature of her godfather also appeared as witness to her father Martin AUCOIN (1)'s marriage on 20 Jan 1632 to Marie SALLE. Since Jeanne is sister of Michelle AUCOIN (born around 1621), that makes Martin AUCOIN (1) Michelle's father as well. A note for her does hedge a bit with "peut-etre issue d'une alliance anterieure" (perhaps child of an earlier alliance). Thanks to Don Boudreaux of Lafayette, Louisiana for sending a copy of the baptismal record to Moncton. An added note is: "Vu le manque de dispense, nous ne croyons pas que l'epoux de Marie Gaudet pouvait etre le fils du deuxieme lit du menuisier de La Rochelle, mais il existe toujours la possibilite qu'il soit apparente aux soeurs Michelle et Jeanne, dans un degre plus lointain." (In view of the lack of dispensations, we do not believe that the husband of Marie Gaudet could be a son of the second marriage of the carpenter of La Rochelle. But there always exists the possibility that he could be related to the sisters Michelle and Jeanne in a more distant degree.) Since I am related once to Martin AUCOIN (2), and to Michelle AUCOIN twice, and to Jeanne AUCOIN twice, this has altered my pedigree chart somewhat. I have lost the infamous Marie SALLE as an ancestor, however, and don't know whether to heave a sigh of relief, or just be amused, after all the discussions here about her probable second husband Jean CLAUDE. On to the "B"s! Karen Theriot Reader KATheriot@aol.com ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.acadian-caj un This is a link to the Acadian-Cajun Message Board at RootsWeb. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237