In a message dated 10/18/03 6:01:41 AM Central Daylight Time, LucieMC@comcast.net writes: << Could you please post the sources for this part of the information you have shared? <<Joseph Landry m Marie-Anne Melançon was the son of Firmin Landry and Francoise Thibodeau and was his parents when they were exiled in Oxford Maryland. Firmin Landry was the son of Alexandre Landry>> Thanks very much! Lucie >> Lucie: In a letter written to me in response to questions concerning Firmin Landry, Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist , University of Montcon in New Brunswick states: "Regarding Firmin Landry, I am aware of the hypothesis that has recently been advanced to the effect that Firmin Landry who married Françoise Thibodeau and Théotiste Thibodeau was a son of Charles Landry and Marie LeBlanc. The researchers who have reached this conclusion seem to have some reason for rejecting what appears to be recorded in Firmin's burial record at St-Martinville,[ (4 Feb. 1801 at age 67 yrs) (SM Ch.: V. 4, #231)] which according to Father Donald Hébert (Southwest Louisiana Records, vol 1, p. 344) shows that Théotiste Thibodeau's husband was a son of Alexandre Landry. I do not know what their reason might be for this, and consequently I am not changed in my belief that Firmin Landry was a son of Alexandre Landry and Marguerite Blanchard. Insofar as I know, Marguerite Blanchard's husband was the only Alexandre Landry who was fathering children in Acadia around the time of Firmin Landry's birth (about 1726, orperhaps about 1728 as you suggest, although the burial record would make him much younger, born about 1734). Please note that Alexandre Landry who married Anne Flan could not have been Firmin's father, because he and Anne were only married in 1732." "Alexandre Landry is identified as a son of Germain Landry and Marie Melanson in the petition of his grandson Edourd Godin for a dispensation to marry his second cousin Madeleine Landry, Feb. 16, 1796 (Shirley Chaisson Bourquard, Marriage Dispensations in the diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas: 1786-1803 (New Orleans: Polyanthos, 1980), pp. 10-11)." "..... Firmin Landry and his first wife, Françoise Thibodeau, were enumerated among the Acadians at Oxford, Maryland, in 1763. In this record Françoise is called Elizabeth, but this is the only mention of her under that given name, and may simply be an error. I do not know when Firmin and his family left Maryland for Louisiana. There are lists that show when many Acadians from Maryland arrived in New Orleans (Jacqueline K. Voorhies, Some Late Eighteenth-Century Louisianans (Lafayette: University of Southwestern Louisiana 1973), pp. 430-437; Lawrence Kinnard, ed., "Spain in the Mississippi Valley," in the Annual Report of the American Historical Association for the year 1945, vol. II, pp. 140-142), but Firmin Landry is not listed on any of them. The eldest child of Firmin's second marriage, a girl named Françoise in memory of his first wife, was born Oct. 22, 1770, so we may presume that Françoise Thibodeau was dead by at least sometime in 1769, but I am unaware of any document that would permit greater precision in fixing the date of her death. I believe that Firmin Landry must have brought his family to Louisiana by ship, as there was no other practical method of making the trip at that time." " I have not been able to identify Françoise Thibodeau's parents. She and Firmin Landry appear to have both come from Pisiguit. All the Thibodeaus there appear to have lived in Assumption Parish, on the east side of the river. They all descended from Pierre Thibodeau, l'aine and Anne?Marie Bourg. Pierre and Anne?Marie might consequently have been Françoise's paternal grandparents." Professor White states above that Alexandre Landry was the son of Germain Landry. In 1755 the family was deported by the British to Oxford, Maryland, in the New England colony. In 1763, Firmin and his first wife, Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeau and the children of his first wife, appear in the census of the Acadian prisoners who still remained in Maryland during the eight years that ensued from: "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 "Acadians in the 1763 Census ? Oxford") Professor White further writes in a letter to B.R. Malkmus of Decatur Alabama , and basing his assumption on the death or burial record of Firmin Landry m. Théotiste Thibodeaux that states that Firmin was the son of (Alexandre Landry and ??????????) establishing an Alexandre Landry as the father of Firmin Landry. he states: "Once we eliminate from consideration the Alexandre Landry who married Anne Flan, the only other Alexandre known who might have been Firmin's father was Germain's son. As it happens that Alexandre Landry's other children, including Genevieve I mentioned in my letter to Dr. Landry, were all in Oxford, Maryland, in close proximity to Firmin, There is certainly a certain amount of plausability to the identification I have proposed. Professor Stephen White then concludes: "The only hypotheses concerning Firmin LANDRY's parentage remains to be tested are mine and the one suggesting that he was the son of Charles LANDRY and Marie LEBLANC. In my opinion the case turns on whether or not Firmin LANDRY's burial record indeed names his father as Alexandre LANDRY, as Father Donald Hebert maintains. If that is so, then I am inclined to believe that Firmin LANDRY who was the son of Charles LANDRY must have been someone other than your ancestor." "Therefore, I believe, Firmin LANDRY was the son of Alexandre LANDRY and Marguerite BLANCHARD." Marie Florane adds the following: "I have exhausted my reasearch on the wife of ALEXANDRE LANDRY. I will quote from a letter I received from Stephen White, Genealogist, Universite de Montcon, New Brunswick, Canada in response to my inquiry." "ALEXANDRE LANDRY, father of VINCENT LANDRY and URSULE LANDRY BABIN. This filiation is revealed by a deed dated February 2, 1777, whereby URSULE LANDRY, widow of Jean-Baptiste Babin, abandoned to her brother, VINCENT LANDRY, a lot of land. (See S.A. Marchand, "An Attempt to Re-assemble the Old Settlers of Family Groups). Thjis deed is said to be in Vol C, Folio 175, in the office of Ascension, at Donaldsonville, La.. In the census of Ascension of 1770, this same URSULE LANDRY, is the "widow Babin" residing with her brother-in-law. Joseph Godin (dit) LINCOUR. See A.J. Robichaux, Jr., "Coloniel Settlers Along Bayou Lafourche, the author, 1974, p. 3). Other records show that JOSEPH LINCOUR's wife was GENEVIEVE LANDRY, so that means that URSULE LANDRY and GENEVIEVE were sisters. The petition of Edourd Godin, Genevieve's son , for a dispensation to marry his second cousin, Madeleine LANDRY, February 17, 1797, states that GENEVIEVE's parents were ALEXANDRE LANDRY and MARGUERITE BLANCHARD. (University of Notre Dame, Records of the Diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas, microfilm copy of the original manuscript available here. Edouard and Madeleine were married at Ascenmsion, Donaldsonville, La. June 27, 1796." (Stephen White in response to an inquiry from Marie Florane) 3RD GENERATION ALEXANDRE LANDRY AND MARGUERITE BLANCHARD Alexandre LANDRY is identified as a son of Germain LANDRY and Marie MELANSON in the petition of his grandson Edourd GODIN for a dispensation to marry his second cousin Madeleine LANDRY, Feb. 16, 1796 (Shirley Chaisson Bourquard, Marriage Dispensations in the diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas: 1786-1803 (New Orleans: Polyanthos, 1980), pp. 10-11)." Stephen A. White states that: "Alexandre died sometime before the Maryland census of 7 july 1763. However, there is no record of Alexandre that accounts for his whereabouts during the expulsion. Also no record of his death has been found." "So not much is known about Alexandre LANDRY (Germain LANDRY and Marie MELANSON) that was mentioned in the death or burial records of Firmin LANDRY at St. Martin de Tours Church in St. Martinville, La., on 4 February, 1801, as the father of Firmin LANDRY." "Firmin LANDRY's burial record at St. Martinville, [ (4 Feb. 1801 at age 67 yrs) (SM Ch.: V. 4, #231)} which according to Father Donald Hébert (Southwest Louisiana Records, vol 1, p. 344) shows that Théotiste THIBODEAU's husband was the son of "Alexandre LANDRY and . . . . . . . . . " " "my belief is that Firmin LANDRY was the son of Alexandre LANDRY and Marguerite BLANCHARD. Insofar as I know, Marguerite Blanchard's husband was the only Alexandre LANDRY who was fathering children in Acadia around the time of Firmin LANDRY's birth (about 1726, or perhaps about 1728 as you suggest, although the burial record would make him much younger, born about 1734). " (Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, University of Montcon in New Brunswick) Alexandre (Germain and Marie MELANSON) n v 1695 (Rc PR 1698 2a 6 mois); m (Disp Louisiane) v 1723, Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD (Martin BLANCHARD & Marguerite Guilbeau); d av 7 juil 1763. (Professor Stephen A. White) The following was copied from page 47-49 of the Draft of Professor Stephen A. White's publication: (S.A. White "Dictionaire genealogique des families acadiennes, partie I (1636-1714)v 1659 (in progress)- LANDRY (no 8) v 1694 Alexandre n v 1695 (Rc PR 1698 2a 6 mois); m (Disp Louisiane) v 1723 Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD (Martin & Marguerite Guilbeau); d av Rc 1763 (7 juil). According to S.A. White in his "Dictionaire genealogique des families acadiennes, partie I (1636-1714) v 1659 (in progress)" - , Alexandre Landry and Marguerite Blanchard had the following children: a. Ursule n v 1724 (Rc Oxford (Maryland) 1763, Rc Cabahannnocer 1769 45a, Rc Ascension 1770 veuve Babin, chez son beau frere Joseph Lincour); m.. v 1739 Jean-Baptiste BABIN (Jean and Marguerite BOUDROT); s Rg Ascension 17 janiv. 1786. 89. b. Firmin n v 1726 (Rc Oxford 1763); m. 1 v 1749 Françoise THIBODEAU (parents unknown); m 2 v 1769 Théotiste THIBODEAU (Charles and Brigette BREAU) vve Bonaventure GODIN; d/s Rg St Martinville 2/4 fév 1801 67 a (sic) (pre nomme).. 148. c. Vincent (pr de Joseph-Alexandre Landry f Marie Joseph Rg Ascension 1775) n v 1727 (Rc Cabannocer 1769 42a, Rc Ascension 1770 44a, 1777 50 a); m. Rg St Joseph de Tuckahoe 13 Oct 1765 Suzanne Godin (Pierre-Joseph and Marie Joseph Bourg); s Rg Plattenville 28 mars 1798 74a (sic) d. Marguerite (Rc Oxford, Maryland 1763) e. Marie-Josephe n v 1734 (Rc Baltimore (Maryland) 1763, Rc Cabannocer 1769 35a, Rc Ascension 1770 36 a 1777 43a); m av Rc 1763 Etienne LANDRY (Joseph and Marie-Marguerite Forest) of Dorothée Babin; s Rg Plattenville 3 nov 1810 77a vve f. Anne-Madeleine (mr d'Anne?Madeleine Landry f Vincent Rg St Louis de la Nouvelle Orléans 1771) n v 1736 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 33a, Rc Ascension 1770 34a, 1777 41a); m. Nouvelle Orléans __________ 1768 Maturin LANDRY (Abraham and Elizabeth LeBlanc) vf Marie Dugas; s Rg St Gabriel d'Iberville 17 Aout 1823 86a. g. Elizabeth (Isabelle) n v 1738 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 - a chez son beau-frére Etienne Landry, Rc Ascension 1770 32a chez Etienne Landry, 1777 30a (sic) encore chez Etienne Landry); - s Rg Ascension 4 oct 1786 - a. h. Geneviéve (Disp Louisianne) n v 1744 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 25a); m v 1768 Joseph Godin dit LINCOUR (Jean-Baptiste and Anastasie Bourg) vf Marie (part dit)Laforest; d entre Rc 1769 and Rc 1770. Documents officiels: Rg Ascenson (Louisiane) Rg Plattenville (Louisiane) Rg St Gabriel (Louisiane) Rg St Martinville (Louisiane) Rg St Joseph de Tuckahoe (Maryland) Rc Oxford (Maryland) 1763: avec end: Oliver Babin Note de S. A. White: Nous n'avons aucune prenve documentaire que Marie?Marguerite Blanchard soit mere que de la derniere des enfants d'Alexandre Landry.(Letter dated 10 June 1996 from Ronnie-Giles LeBlanc, conferring with Professor Stephen A. White, historian and genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, at the University of Montcon in New Brunswick) ****************************************************************************** According to Ronnie-Giles LeBlanc, conferring with Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, at the University of Montcon in New Brunswick, Alexandre LANDRY (Germain (9) and Marie MELANSON, n v 1695 d av Rc 1763 (7 juill) and Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD(Martin (2) and Marguerite GUILBEAU) n entre Rc 1703 & Rc 1707, had the following children: Alexandre Landry, 1695 (Germain Landry and Marie Melancon) d. before the census of 7 july 163 m. Marie-Marguerite Blanchard (Martin Blanchard and Marguerite Guillbeau) . issue: Ursule, 1724; Firmin, 1726 ; Vincent, 1727; Marguerite (Rc Oxford 1763); Marie Josephe, 1734; Anne Madeleine , 1736; Elizabeth Isabelle , 1738; Genevieve, 1744. ========== ============+++++++++++++++++++++++ Alexandre Landry (Germain Landry & Marie Melanson) died before the census of the Acadian exiles at Oxford, Maryland, on 7 July 1763 married Marie-Marguerite Blanchard Enumerated in the census of the Acadian exiles at Oxford, Maryland, on 7 July 1763 as Marie Landry (Blanchard) widow (Alexandre Landry) As far as Joseph Landry m. Marie Melançon is concerned, the family including Joseph (Firmin's first born) was deported by the British to Oxford, Maryland, in the New England colony in October of 1755. In 1763, Firmin and his first wife, Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeau and their children appear in the census of the Acadian prisoners at Oxford Maryland : "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 "Acadians in the 1763 Census - Oxford") Bona Arcenault on page 1063 in Tome 2 (Attakapas et Opelousas) of his publication "Histoire et Genealogie des Acadiens" in the section titled "Les Acadiens proprietaires de troupeaux aux Attakapas et aux Opelousas, de 1761 a 1810. (1) you will find Firmin Landry, Joseph Landry and Agricole Landry in the Brand Book: "The first Landry in the Attakapas was Firmin (m. 1752 François dit Elizabeth Thibodeaux, 1776 Théotiste Thibodeaux), a Maryland exile and widower, who by 1769 or 1770 had taken up land on the upper Bayou Vermillion, near Grand Pointe, with his two grown sons Joseph and Saturin; later he obtained a smaller tract on the Teche at Fausse Pointe near present Loreauville.(17) Son Saturin apparently remained single, but Joseph (m. Marie Anne Melanton) settled on Bayou Vermillion, some of their progeny staying in the vicinity of present Lafayette, others migrating into Vermillion Parish." (Robert C. West using Hebert 1974 vols 1-4 in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin" - pages 91?96) ("Attakapas Post: The Census of 1771 " - Deville) - On page 12 the census lists: Firmin Landry, 43; wife -; Joseph Landry -; Madeleine Landry 15 ; Saturin Landry 16; Girls 10, 8,. 28 Cattle, 7 horses; 12 Arpents without title. (For further information see: (The First Acadian Settlement, "Louisiana History vol XVII, no.1 [Winter 1976 pages 91?96]) Firmin Landry is listed, along with his son Joseph Landry né 1753 in the Acadian members of the militia at the Attakapas in 1774 and 1777. (Bona Arcenault - Tome 2 - Attakapas et Opelousas) Nothing is known, but much is presumed about the years between 1755?1769 when Joseph and his family appear in the Attakapas district of Louisiana. We find JOSEPH LANDRY on the Militia list along with other Landry family members. No marriage record has been found, but Joseph Landry and Marie-Anne Melançon begin baptising their children at the church at Opelousas before 1780 and then at St. Martin de Tours Church after 1785. Joseph Landry is born to Firmin Landry and Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeaux, in 1753. Joseph Landry marries Marie-Ann Melantcon d/o Paul Melançon and Marie Theriot in 1775. (Selected Acadian and Louisiana Church Records - Bodin vol. 1 - p. 298) The Attakapas Gazette recently published a list of "Patriots" and Joseph Landry is included with this information: Patriot listed on roster of "La Compagnie de Malice des Attakapas" dated 1 May 1777. pp. 289-290 "S.A.R. Spanish Records. Spanish English War 1779-1783" compiled by C. Robert Churchill. This makes all descendants of Joseph Landry D.A.R. or S.A.R. JOSEPH LANDRY was given a Spanish land grant in 1772. See Plat No. T?125, R??7E on map in State Land Office in Baton Rouge. ****************************************************************************** JOSEPH LANDRY, 1753, fils de Firmin et de Françoise Thibodeaux, marie vers 1775 a Marie-Anne Melancon, bn 1760 d/o Paul Melanton and Marie Theriot. (Selected Acadian and Louisiana Church Records - Bodin vol. 1, p. 298). Joseph and his family settle on Bayou Vermillion. Some of their progeny stayed in the vicinity of Lafayette, others migrated into Vermillion Parish. (Robert C. West in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin") Enfants: Elise, b. 24 Dec., 1778; Lucie, bt at 3mos. 23 April 1780; Agricole, bn. ca. 1780?1781; Anastasie, b. 1785; Celestin, vers 1786; Cyrille, b. 1787; Marie?Melanie, vers 1788; Joseph-Dionisus, b. 9 Dec.1788; Onesime, vers 1790; Pantaleon, b. 1790?91; Seraphine, b. 1793; Maximilien, b. 11 Nov.,1795. Doralise (listed in succession and probably born in 1797?98 after Joseph died) Il este decede a Donaldsonville, (error, he died in St. Martinville) le juin 1797 ? (Bona Arcenault's "Histoire des Acadians" vol. 6, p. 2529?30) JOSEPH LANDRY m. Marie Melanton. In death record of Marie Melancon dated 1805 ( Hebert Southwest Louisiana Records v. 1, p. 346 [SMCH.: v.4, #415]) Also on page 346 of vol. 1 Arcenault states: JOSEPH LANDRY (Firmin & ??? THIBODEAUX of Acadie) Spouse of Marie MELANCON d. 3 June 1797 at age 47 yrs. (Hebert Southwest Louisiana Records v. 1, p. 346 [S M Ch.: v.4, #111]) I hope this helps