With Permisson from List Administrator: Hi List Members, I recently discovered a gentleman that makes Sterling Silver Family Crest (devices) and ordered one from him of my Original d'Amours Family Crest, granted by King Charles VII of France in 1453. They can be made with a pin back, lapel back or necklace loop. I ordered the pin back and he engraved on the back "Granted by King Charles VII, 1453". I am very, very pleased with it and thought that some of you may be interested also. He is very resonable on price and his work is quality. A very nice gentleman to deal with and all I did was send him a copy of my crest, that I found on the internet. I thought that it would be great to have and wear to the CMA 2004, if you are attending next year or just anytime. I also plan to have all of my other surname crests done by him and put in a box frame, for display in my home, when not wearing them. His name is Robert Wodruff and he is in Ogden, Utah. If interested, he can be reached at his web site: http://home.mindspring.com/~notfrmmars/ Linda Louviere d'Amours