I am trying to confirm a 23 January 1745 birth date for Pierre Bourgeois, son of Paul Bourgeois & Marie-Josèphe Brun who married 6 November 1767 Marie Bergeron, daughter of Michel Bergeron and Marie- Jeanne Hébert. Any one have a documented source for this date? Roger A. Rozendal rogroz@swbell.net
I am trying to confirm a 25 June 1758 wedding date for Pierre Arseneau, born 1732, son of Jean Arseneau & Marie-Jeanne Hébert, and Anne-Bergeron, born 1741, daughter of Barthélemy Bergeron, fils, and Marguerite Dugas. Does anyone have a documented source for this date? Roger A. Rozendal rogroz@swbell.net
Well this is greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Myers Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:16 AM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Quevedo in colonial Illinois Hello, I've noticed internet inquires about the origin of the Quebedeau name in the Mississippi River Valley. I believe that the Quevedo you are searching for, which has been traced back to French colonial Illinois, was a Spaniard with mining experience in Mexico and captured by the French at one of the sieges of the Pensacola Fort in Florida. He apparently advised French mining ventures in eastern Missouri. They searched for silver but found lead in great quantities. I've quoted extensively below from the most specific sources found. Hope this helps. Robert Myers 410 W. Hill Street Champaign, IL 61820 geocultural@yahoo.com
Hello, I've noticed internet inquires about the origin of the Quebedeau name in the Mississippi River Valley. I believe that the Quevedo you are searching for, which has been traced back to French colonial Illinois, was a Spaniard with mining experience in Mexico and captured by the French at one of the sieges of the Pensacola Fort in Florida. He apparently advised French mining ventures in eastern Missouri. They searched for silver but found lead in great quantities. I've quoted extensively below from the most specific sources found. Hope this helps. Robert Myers 410 W. Hill Street Champaign, IL 61820 geocultural@yahoo.com ******************** Dunbar Rowland and Albert Godfrey Sanders, Mississippi Provincial Archives, vol. II, French Dominion, 1701-1729, Jackson: Press of the Mississippi Department of Archives and History, 1929, p. 177. [Letter from De Lamothe Cadillac to Pntchartrain, Oct. 26, 1713] [Following a discussion about the prospect of finding silver and gold in the Illinois and Missouri country of the Louisiana colony.] "It is not to be doubted that we are in a country of gold and silver mines, but the problem is to find them, and how can we find them if we don not seek them, and how shall we seek them if we do not have the experience and the knowledge of them, and how in short can we succeed in this if nobody is willing to bear the expense of it? There are several convict miners in exile at Pensacola who greatly desire to free themselves from this servitude, who would ask for nothing better than to come into the service of the French for the enterprise of this search, but once more it is necessary to make advances which I am not in a condition to do for my part. Mr. Crozat is rich enough to risk something for himself along from which perhaps in the end he might derive immense profits." ***************** Jean-Baptiste Benard de La Harpe, The Historical Journal of the Establishment of the French in Louisiana, ed. Glenn R. Conrad, Lafayette: Center for Louisiana Studies, University of Southwestern Louisiana, 1971, p. 64 "End of 1714. M. [Claude-Charles] Dutisne, ensign of the company of Canada, arrived at Mobile to aid M.. Crozat's operations. He brought samples of ores taken in the neighborhood of Kaskaskia. M. de Lamothe assayed the samples and found that they contained a large quantity of silver. He decided therefore, to visit the mines, and, without publicizing his intentions, set out for Illinois country at the beginning of 1715. Upon his arrival there, he inquired of the Canadians who had given the samples to M. Dutisne concerning the location of the site where they had extracted them. He was astonished to learn that the samples had come from the Spaniards in Mexico, and that it was only in jest that the Canadians had said that they were taken in the vicinity of Kaskaskia. M. de Lamothe did not visit the site where some lead mines were supposed to be located, which was fourteen leagues inland on the western side of the river." p. 66 "October, 1715. M. de Lamothe Cadillac returned with his son from the Illinois country. He brought back several metallic stones of little value." [The date in this memoir is wrong.] ***************** Reuben Gold Thwaites, ed., Collections of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, Vol. XVI, The French Regime in Wisconsin - I, 1634-1727, Madison: State Historical Society of Wisconsin, 1902, p. 325. [Letter from Remezay to the French Minister, Nov. 3, 1715.] "I have the honor, monseigneur, to send you copies of the letters of Sieur dudoncour and of my son, from which you will learn, Monseigneur, that Monsieur de la Motte Cadillac has reached the caskusscas [Kaskaskia], 30 leagues below the Illinois -- well accompanied, and having two Spanish founders with him -- to investigate the mines of gold and silver that have been discovered there. He left his son with forty men to work there, after investigation had been made by the two Spaniards." *********** P. de Charlevoix, Journal of a Voyage to Nrth-American. Undertaken by Order of the French King, Vol. II, London: R. and J. Dodsley, 1761, pp. 219-221. Trans. from the French. [Letter written Oct. 20, 1721 from Kaskasquias] "On the eleventh after sailing five leagues farther, I left on my right the river Marameg, where they are at present employed in searching for a silver mine. ... Here follows what I have been able to learn about this affiar from a person who is well acquainted with it, and who has resided for several years on the spot. In the year 1719, the Sieur de Lochon being sent by the West-Indian company in quality of founder, having dug in a place which had been marked out to him, drew up a pretty large quantity of ore, a pound whereof, which took up four days in melting, produced as they say two drams of silver; but some have suspected him of putting in this quantity himself. ... Disgusted with a labour which was so unprofitable, he returned to France. The company, persuaded of the truth of the indications which had been given them, and that the incapacity of the founder had been the sole cause of their bad success, sent in his room a Spaniard called Antonio, who had been taken at the siege of Pensacola, had afterwards been a galley-slave, and boasted much of his having wrought in a mine at Mexico. They gave him very considerable appointments, but he succeeded no better than had done the Sieur de Lochon. ... [His silver mining was unsuccessful.] About this time arrived a company of the king's miners, under the direction of one La Renaudiere, who resolving to begin with the lead mine, was able to do nothing; because neither he himself nor any of his company were in the least acquainted with the construction of furnaces. ...La Renaudiere and his miners not being able to produce any lead, a private company undertook the mines of Marameg, and the Sieur Renaud [Renault] one of the directors, superintended them with care." *************** Robert De Berardinis, ed., "1732 Census of Illinois," ISGS Quarterly, Vol. 32, No. 3. Genral Census of the inhabitants of the prairie of Fort de Chartres of Illinois and of their condition on the first of January 1721. Men and Women or Boys on their Own ...Louis d'Espagne [Louis the Spaniard]... ...Antoine l'Espagnol [Antoine the Spaniard]... Concession of M. Renault and inhabitants of the said Place M. Renault, Director Renault, the son Quevedo Espagnol ************** Margaret Kimball Brown and Lawrie Cena Dean, eds., The Village of Chartres in Colonial Illinois, 1720-1765, New Orleans: Polyanthos, 1977, pp. 52-53. "In the year one thousand seven hundred forty[five], the first day of March, after having published the banns of marriage three times at the sermon of the parish mass of the parish of St. Anne of Fort de Chartres...between Maturin Pineaux, widower of the late Marie de Cheka8ita, an Illinois woman, inhabitant of the parish, of the first part; and Marie Joseph Lespagniol, daughter of Joseph Le Quebedeaux and of Marie Antoine, native of the city and Diocese of Paris of the other part...I the undersigned J. Gagnon, missinary priest of the parish of St. Anne, have received their mutual consent in marriage..." ************** Reuben Gold Thwaites, ed., The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents: Travels and Explorations of the Hesuit Missionaries in New France, 1610-1791, Vol. LXIX, All Missions, 1710-1756, Deleveland: The Burrows Brothers Company, 1900, p. 223. [Letter from Father Vivier of the Society of Jesus [Jesuits], to a Father of the Same Society. "Among the Illinois, November 17, 1750.] "There are mines without number, but as no one is in a position to incur the expense necessary for opening and working them, they remain in their original condition. Certain individuals content themselves with obtaining lead from some of these, because it lies almost at the surface of the ground. ...Two men who are here, a Spaniard and a Portuguese, who claim to know something about mines and minerals, assert that these mines in no wise differ from those f Mexico and Peru; and that, if slightly deeper excavations were made, silver ore would be found under the lead ore." *************** Samuel Dorris Dickinson, "Colonial Arkansas Place Names," pp. 138-139. Citing Dr. John C. Branner, "Some Old French Place Names in the State of Arkansas, Modern Language Notes, Vol. XIV, Feb. 1899, pp. 33-40. Antoine [stream in Pike and Clark Counties, Arkansas]. Professor Branner noted that Antoine Simon Le Page Du Pratz remarked in his Histoire de la Louisiane that there was "a silver mine in the country of the 'Cadodaquioux' or Caddo, located by a Portuguese named Antoine." [The abridged English translation from 1774 doesn't name Antonio.] *************** M. Le Page Du Pratz, The History of Louisiana, or of the Western Parts of the Virginia and Carolina, London: T. Becket, 1774. (translated from the 1758 French edition which is a memoir of personal observations in Louisiana from 1718 through 1734.) Chapter V. Quality of the Lands of the Red River. Posts of the Nachitoches. A Silver Mine. Lands of the Black River. p. 168. "Above the Nachitoches dwell the Cadodaquious, whose scattered villages assume different names. Pretty near one of these villages was discovered a silver mine, which was found to be rich, and of a very pure metal. I have seen the assay of it, and its ore is very fine. This silver lies concealed in small invisible particles, in a stone of a chestnut colour...The assay of this ore was made by a Portuguese, who had worked at the mines of New Mexico, whence he made his escape. He appeared to be master of his business, and afterwards visited other mines farther north, but he ever gave the preference to that of the Red River." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Afternoon Cecil, Want to give me a hint? Andy -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Van Duzee Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:08 PM To: acadian-cajun@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Parents & Marriage dates/Locations (Andy Scott) Note: Wrong parents on (2) Norbert Caillouet Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: acadian-cajun-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-request@rootsweb.com > To: acadian-cajun@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: ACADIAN-CAJUN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 211 ******************************* Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want your digest in MIME, please write me directly at Acadian-Cajun-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Acadian-Cajun-admin@rootsweb.com> **************************** Today's Topics: 1. Parents & Marriage dates/Locations (Andy Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:20:16 -0400 From: "Andy Scott" <greydale@hughes.net<mailto:greydale@hughes.net>> Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Parents & Marriage dates/Locations To: "ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb>. Com" <ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <000001c81722$f2235d70$6801a8c0@ANDY<mailto:000001c81722$f2235d70$6801a8c0@A NDY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Morning, I am looking for help with the names of parents and marriage dates for the following couples: 1]. Josephine E. BENOIT who married Arnold Joseph CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 2]. Natalie Sinitaire who married Joseph Norbert CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 3]. Eva NAVARRO who married Francois Nicolas CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Issue has not been identified to date and 4]. Maria PELONS who married Albert Justin CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux about 1900 or after. Their first know issue was born about 1904. Any help would be appreciated, Andy Scott ------------------------------ To contact the ACADIAN-CAJUN list administrator, send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-admin@rootsweb.com> To post a message to the ACADIAN-CAJUN mailing list, send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ACADIAN-CAJUN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 211 ********************************************* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Note: Wrong parents on (2) Norbert Caillouet Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: acadian-cajun-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-request@rootsweb.com> To: acadian-cajun@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: ACADIAN-CAJUN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 211 ******************************* Plain digests are sent to users with all posts listed in one long email. For most subscribers, MIME digests will appear with all posts as individual attachments. The default digest delivery is Plain. If you want your digest in MIME, please write me directly at Acadian-Cajun-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Acadian-Cajun-admin@rootsweb.com> **************************** Today's Topics: 1. Parents & Marriage dates/Locations (Andy Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:20:16 -0400 From: "Andy Scott" <greydale@hughes.net<mailto:greydale@hughes.net>> Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Parents & Marriage dates/Locations To: "ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb>. Com" <ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <000001c81722$f2235d70$6801a8c0@ANDY<mailto:000001c81722$f2235d70$6801a8c0@ANDY>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Morning, I am looking for help with the names of parents and marriage dates for the following couples: 1]. Josephine E. BENOIT who married Arnold Joseph CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 2]. Natalie Sinitaire who married Joseph Norbert CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 3]. Eva NAVARRO who married Francois Nicolas CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Issue has not been identified to date and 4]. Maria PELONS who married Albert Justin CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux about 1900 or after. Their first know issue was born about 1904. Any help would be appreciated, Andy Scott ------------------------------ To contact the ACADIAN-CAJUN list administrator, send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-admin@rootsweb.com> To post a message to the ACADIAN-CAJUN mailing list, send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ACADIAN-CAJUN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 211 *********************************************
Morning, I am looking for help with the names of parents and marriage dates for the following couples: 1]. Josephine E. BENOIT who married Arnold Joseph CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 2]. Natalie Sinitaire who married Joseph Norbert CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Their first know issue was born about 1895. 3]. Eva NAVARRO who married Francois Nicolas CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux. Issue has not been identified to date and 4]. Maria PELONS who married Albert Justin CAILLOUET [Clay Auguste CAILLOUET & Eliza CAILLOUET] in all probability in Thibodaux about 1900 or after. Their first know issue was born about 1904. Any help would be appreciated, Andy Scott
Hello, Thank you Stanley for the connection. Marsha Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:49:16 -0500 From: "marsha" <marshal@datastar.net> Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Marguerite Guilbeau (Charles & M Bourg To: <ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001001c815d7$cf9ffde0$11a2a53f@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello to all, While we are speaking of a Guilbeau line, does Marguerite Guilbeau, b1777, d/o Charles Guilbeau and Marguerite Bourg fit in with the lines we are speaking of now? Thanks, Marsha ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:17:35 -0500 From: "Stanley LeBlanc" <cajun@thecajuns.com> Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marguerite Guilbeau (Charles & M Bourg To: <ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001301c815e4$0b2e4e50$0201a8c0@Stan2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Marguerite Guilbeau, dau of Charles and Marguerite Bourg married Joseph Cormier. She was the niece of Marguerite Guilbeau who married Simon Joseph LeBlanc Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com
Is it possible that this entry was made in anticipation of a marriage which was called off at the last moment and the person doing the recording neglected to delete it? Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecil Van Duzee<mailto:cvanduzee@msn.com> To: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com> ; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com> ; 'Shirley T. LeBlanc'<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net> ; Stanley LeBlanc<mailto:cajun@thecajuns.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN I would prefer to surmise an errant entry than to try and surmise an annulment. An annulment was a very serious act in those days. It would be recorded in all religious and civil acts concerning the parties. There would have to be civil acts concerning disposition of property and dowry. No such records have been presented. If anyone has a source for an annulment, it would certainly be appreciated if this source was provided. Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanley LeBlanc<mailto:cajun@thecajuns.com<mailto:cajun@thecajuns.com>> To: 'Cecil Van Duzee'<mailto:cvanduzee@msn.com<mailto:cvanduzee@msn.com>> ; KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com>> ; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>> ; 'Shirley T. LeBlanc'<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN Cecil, Did you see the note posted by Roger? Stanley *** Karen, In Savard, Denis J., DICTIONNAIRE GÉNÉALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ARSENAULT is found on p. 621: Pierre ARSENEAUX (Pierre Arsenault & Marie-Joséphe Godin) n vers 1765 s 5-1-1799 St-Martinville, LA (34 ans); rem 1787 Angélique Bourgeois. Married 6-4-1786 St-Jaques de Cabahannocer, LA (annulé) (T. J. Bursa et Francisca Saba) Pélagie BABIN (Jean-Jaques Babin & Marguerite Landry) [CÉA-SW, BRCCR] Marriage annuled? Pélagie would have been about 14 or 15 in 1786. Roger A. Rozendal rogroz@swbell.net<mailto:rogroz@swbell.net<mailto:rogroz@swbell.net<mailto:rogroz@swbell.net>> -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com>> [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Van Duzee Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:06 PM To: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com>>; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>>; Shirley T. LeBlanc Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN Hello Karen and Shirley I believe the entry in DOBR p27/vol 2 for marriage of Pierre Arceneaux and Pelagie Babin is errant. I descend form Pierre-Angelique Bourgeois and also the family of Joseph Richard who married Pelagie Babin. I haven't seen anything in my research which would lend credence to this entry. A "guess" would be that the person transcribing this entry was distracted while on the marriage that took place on 6 Apr 1786 (or the priest who entered the entry was distracted when writing the entry for this date). Someone would need to see what is entered in the register to bring closure to this question. Pierre was born c1764 at Halifax and IS the same person in both entries given by Shirley. Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley T LeBlanc<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net>>> To: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com%3Cmailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com>>> ; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN In SWR V. 1(1750-1800) page 19: Arceneaux, Pierre - of the Mississippi (River) (Pierre Arsonnau & Marie Josephe Gaudin) m. to Angelique Bourgeois, bur. 5 Jan. 1799 at age 34yrs, Fr. Mich3l Bernard Barriere (SM Ch: v.4, #171) I believe this entry would eliminate the following entry as the same people: The very next entry in vol. 2, p. 27 has: Pedro (parents not given) m. 24 Apr. 1787, Angela BURSUA (parents not given) wit. Miguel Gode, Eleonor Presan (SJA-2, 3) Shirley T. LeBlanc ----- Original Message ----- From: <KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com%3Cmailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com>>>> To: <ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN > > I have a mystery, and would like help solving it. > Pierre ARSENEAU married Pelagie BABIN in St. James Parish, Louisiana on 6 > Apr 1786, recorded as (SJA-2, 2) in the Baton Rouge Diocese, CATHOLIC > CHURCH > RECORDS, vol. 2, p. 27. There is no corresponding entry for the bride, > however. > It is transcribed as: > Pedro [ARCENEAUX] (Pedro & Maria Gode) m. 6 Apr. 1786, Pelagia BABE > (Santiago & Margarita Landri of LaFouche) wit. Josef Bursua, Francisca > Saba (SJA-2, > 2) > > The very next entry in vol. 2, p. 27 has: > Pedro (parents not given) m. 24 Apr. 1787, Angela BURSUA (parents not > given) > wit. Miguel Gode, Eleonor Presan (SJA-2, 3) > > It gets even more interesting when under BABIN on p. 54 we read: > Pelagia (parents not given) m. 18 June 1787, Josef RICHAR (parents not > given) wit. Josef Arseno, Marta Richar of this Parish (SJA-2, 3) > > Pierre was the son of another Pierre ARSENEAU & Marie Joseph GODIN dit > Lincour, born about 1765 probably in Louisiana. His mother had remarried > Basile > PREJEAN. Pelgie was born about 1771, the daughter of Jean Jacques BABIN & > Marguerite LANDRY, also apparently remarried to a Joseph MALOUIN. > What happened to the first marriage of Pierre & Pelagie? There were > apparently no children, and both remarried just over a year later, > recorded on the > same page at St. James Church! 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I would prefer to surmise an errant entry than to try and surmise an annulment. An annulment was a very serious act in those days. It would be recorded in all religious and civil acts concerning the parties. There would have to be civil acts concerning disposition of property and dowry. No such records have been presented. If anyone has a source for an annulment, it would certainly be appreciated if this source was provided. Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanley LeBlanc<mailto:cajun@thecajuns.com> To: 'Cecil Van Duzee'<mailto:cvanduzee@msn.com> ; KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com> ; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com> ; 'Shirley T. LeBlanc'<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: RE: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN Cecil, Did you see the note posted by Roger? Stanley *** Karen, In Savard, Denis J., DICTIONNAIRE GÉNÉALOGIQUE DES FAMILLES ARSENAULT is found on p. 621: Pierre ARSENEAUX (Pierre Arsenault & Marie-Joséphe Godin) n vers 1765 s 5-1-1799 St-Martinville, LA (34 ans); rem 1787 Angélique Bourgeois. Married 6-4-1786 St-Jaques de Cabahannocer, LA (annulé) (T. J. Bursa et Francisca Saba) Pélagie BABIN (Jean-Jaques Babin & Marguerite Landry) [CÉA-SW, BRCCR] Marriage annuled? Pélagie would have been about 14 or 15 in 1786. Roger A. Rozendal rogroz@swbell.net<mailto:rogroz@swbell.net> -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cecil Van Duzee Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:06 PM To: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com>; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>; Shirley T. LeBlanc Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN Hello Karen and Shirley I believe the entry in DOBR p27/vol 2 for marriage of Pierre Arceneaux and Pelagie Babin is errant. I descend form Pierre-Angelique Bourgeois and also the family of Joseph Richard who married Pelagie Babin. I haven't seen anything in my research which would lend credence to this entry. A "guess" would be that the person transcribing this entry was distracted while on the marriage that took place on 6 Apr 1786 (or the priest who entered the entry was distracted when writing the entry for this date). Someone would need to see what is entered in the register to bring closure to this question. Pierre was born c1764 at Halifax and IS the same person in both entries given by Shirley. Cecil Van Duzee ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley T. LeBlanc<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net<mailto:shirleythibo@bellsouth.net>> To: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com%3Cmailto:KATheriot@aol.com>> ; ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN In SWR V. 1(1750-1800) page 19: Arceneaux, Pierre - of the Mississippi (River) (Pierre Arsonnau & Marie Josephe Gaudin) m. to Angelique Bourgeois, bur. 5 Jan. 1799 at age 34yrs, Fr. Mich3l Bernard Barriere (SM Ch: v.4, #171) I believe this entry would eliminate the following entry as the same people: The very next entry in vol. 2, p. 27 has: Pedro (parents not given) m. 24 Apr. 1787, Angela BURSUA (parents not given) wit. Miguel Gode, Eleonor Presan (SJA-2, 3) Shirley T. LeBlanc ----- Original Message ----- From: <KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com%3Cmailto:KATheriot@aol.com>>> To: <ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Marriage of Pierre ARSENEAU & Pelagie BABIN > > I have a mystery, and would like help solving it. > Pierre ARSENEAU married Pelagie BABIN in St. James Parish, Louisiana on 6 > Apr 1786, recorded as (SJA-2, 2) in the Baton Rouge Diocese, CATHOLIC > CHURCH > RECORDS, vol. 2, p. 27. There is no corresponding entry for the bride, > however. > It is transcribed as: > Pedro [ARCENEAUX] (Pedro & Maria Gode) m. 6 Apr. 1786, Pelagia BABE > (Santiago & Margarita Landri of LaFouche) wit. Josef Bursua, Francisca > Saba (SJA-2, > 2) > > The very next entry in vol. 2, p. 27 has: > Pedro (parents not given) m. 24 Apr. 1787, Angela BURSUA (parents not > given) > wit. Miguel Gode, Eleonor Presan (SJA-2, 3) > > It gets even more interesting when under BABIN on p. 54 we read: > Pelagia (parents not given) m. 18 June 1787, Josef RICHAR (parents not > given) wit. Josef Arseno, Marta Richar of this Parish (SJA-2, 3) > > Pierre was the son of another Pierre ARSENEAU & Marie Joseph GODIN dit > Lincour, born about 1765 probably in Louisiana. His mother had remarried > Basile > PREJEAN. Pelgie was born about 1771, the daughter of Jean Jacques BABIN & > Marguerite LANDRY, also apparently remarried to a Joseph MALOUIN. > What happened to the first marriage of Pierre & Pelagie? There were > apparently no children, and both remarried just over a year later, > recorded on the > same page at St. James Church! 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Louisiana Acadian/Cajun Genealogy Entries: 87719 Updated: 2007-01-04 01:35:35 UTC (Thu) Contact: Whitney Dartez Home Page: _The Dartez Home Page_ (http://wdartez.com/) ____________________________________ NOTE!! RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project has removed all LIVE DATA after the YEAR 1930. ____________________________________ _Index_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=wdartez&surname=Babin,+Pelagie) | _Descendancy_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=wdartez&id=I18291) | _Register_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=wdartez&id=I18291) | _Pedigree_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=wdartez&id=I18291) | _Ahnentafel_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=wdartez&id=I18291) | _Add Post-em_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=add&app=wdartez¬ify=RsNUiwBcjBVSBKKQzczhpcEJjf4JufR4&key=I18291&return=<a+hr ef="/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18291">Return+to+WorldConne ct</a>) ____________________________________ ID: I18291 Name: Pelagie BABIN Surname: Babin Given Name: Pelagie Sex: F Birth: 1772 in Saint-Jacques,La. Change Date: 8 Dec 2004 at 00:00:00 Father: _Jean Jacques BABIN_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18289) b: 1750 in Pisiguit,Acadia Mother: _Marguerite LANDRY_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18290) b: ABT 1752 in Pisiguit,Acadia Marriage 1 _Joseph RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18301) b: ABT 1767 in Maryland * Married: 18 Jun 1787 in St.Gaberial,La. Children 1. _Marguerite Clemence RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18320) b: ABT 1788 in St. Martinville,La. 2. _Rosamond RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I67588) b: 28 Apr 1795 in St. James,La. 3. _Cyprien RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18319) b: 1792 in St. Martinville,La. 4. _Marguerite RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I641) b: 14 Jan 1800 in Saint James,La 5. _Michel Adrien RICHARD_ (http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdartez&id=I18321) b: 1808 in St. Martinville,La ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Neal, Kebed [Keved] was a corruption of Quebec. The line was at Arkansas - some ended up at Opelousas/Attakapas. The progenitor was Barthelemy [Barthelemi] Quebec who married Marguerite, an Indian of the Cances Nation. One of their sons was Joseph, but he was born in 1793. This wasn't the Quebedeaux line. I recently obtained the Abstract of Catholic Register of Arkansas [1764-1858] that was compiled and edited by Dorothy Jones Core. Many of the surnames at Arkansas ended up at Opelousas, Attakapas and other parts of LA [ Examples include: Menard, Peltier, Lavergne, Coussat, Babey, Billet, Dardenne, D'Artz (Dartez), D'Hauterive, Imbeau, Lambert, Lefevre, Lepine, Michel, Perthuis, Saucier]. By the way, Missouri as used in the Houck book covered more than just present-day Missouri - it includes Arkansas, Illinois and parts of Indiana. A while back, I posted that I had an extra copy of a CD that has the 6 volumes of the Missouri Genealogical Records & Abstracts Series. This is a very valuable CD for the serious researcher. V.1 covers 1766-1839; V.2 covers 1752-1839; V. 3 covers 1787-1839; V. 4 covers 1741-1839; V. 5 covers 1755-1839 and V. 6 covers 1621-1839. The CD costs less than one of the hard-cover volumes. Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of neal hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:32 PM To: acadian-cajun-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Kebed dit Quebec Hello everyone, I was just browsing a message I was originally drafting in response to Stanley and noticed his mention of Arkansas and a Joseph Kebed dit Quebec. Last nite I was browsing and ran across a Google Books link titled "The Spanish Regime in Missouri: A Collection of Papers and Documents" by Louis Houck published in 1909. In one of the lists of persons (from 1791, I believe) it lists a widow "Marianna Quebec". In notes it identifies her as "Marianna Quebec, nee Langevin", the daughter of Jean Baptiste Langevin dit Baquette and having married Joseph Quebec. That said, it would appear they'd be too young to have been the parents of Charles Quebedeau of Illinois. Will be interested to see what Stanley is able to dig up. Neal..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joseph Richard (Amand/Marie Breau) M:18 Jun 1787 Pelagie Babin (Jean Jacques/Marguerite Landry) DOBR-2 P54,622 I have 10 children born for them starting with Marguerite Clemente B:20 Mar 1788 (DOBR-2/625) and ending with Michel Adrien B:18 Jun 1808 Don Boudreaux Lafayette, La. KATheriot@aol.com wrote: > I remembered the book, abstracted by Eileen Larre' Behrman, called St. > James Parish, Louisiana, Colonial Records 1782-1787, published in > 1981. In it she details the oldest civil records found in St. James > Parish, published in two ledgers. All are signed by Michel Cantrelle, > the commandant there from 1776-1805. > > It is apparent that in the years of 1786-1787 couples had to apply for > a civil marriage contract, with relatives witnessing it, and showing > the amounts of money or property each party brought to the marriage. > On pp. 53-54 we find Abstract #205 for year 1787, found on pp. 411-413 > of "Spanish Land Grants," Book II as document #344: Marriage Contract > for Pierre ARCENEAUX (son of the late Pierre ARCENEAUX & Marie Joseph > GAUDIN) & Angelique BOURGEOIS (daughter of Michel BOURGEOIS & Anne > LANDRY). > On pp. 59-60 we find Abstract #221 for year 1787, found on pp. 541-545 > of "Spanish Land Grants," Book II as document #357: Marriage Contract > for Joseph RICHARD (son of the late Amant RICHARD & Marie BREAUX) & > Pelagie BABIN (daughter of the late Jean Jacques BABAIN & Margueritte > BABIN [sic, for LANDRY]. > There is no mention in either record of any earlier marriage, nor of > any official dissolution of a marriage. Among the other property > transfers, slave sales, and assorted succession matters in the book, > none involves a marriage annulment in these two years. > > More likely that the Pierre/Pelagie marriage is a mistake? > > Karen Theriot Reader > KATheriot@aol.com <mailto:KATheriot@aol.com> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your > Homepage <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169>.
I remembered the book, abstracted by Eileen Larre' Behrman, called St. James Parish, Louisiana, Colonial Records 1782-1787, published in 1981. In it she details the oldest civil records found in St. James Parish, published in two ledgers. All are signed by Michel Cantrelle, the commandant there from 1776-1805. It is apparent that in the years of 1786-1787 couples had to apply for a civil marriage contract, with relatives witnessing it, and showing the amounts of money or property each party brought to the marriage. On pp. 53-54 we find Abstract #205 for year 1787, found on pp. 411-413 of "Spanish Land Grants," Book II as document #344: Marriage Contract for Pierre ARCENEAUX (son of the late Pierre ARCENEAUX & Marie Joseph GAUDIN) & Angelique BOURGEOIS (daughter of Michel BOURGEOIS & Anne LANDRY). On pp. 59-60 we find Abstract #221 for year 1787, found on pp. 541-545 of "Spanish Land Grants," Book II as document #357: Marriage Contract for Joseph RICHARD (son of the late Amant RICHARD & Marie BREAUX) & Pelagie BABIN (daughter of the late Jean Jacques BABAIN & Margueritte BABIN [sic, for LANDRY]. There is no mention in either record of any earlier marriage, nor of any official dissolution of a marriage. Among the other property transfers, slave sales, and assorted succession matters in the book, none involves a marriage annulment in these two years. More likely that the Pierre/Pelagie marriage is a mistake? Karen Theriot Reader _KATheriot@aol.com_ (mailto:KATheriot@aol.com) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Marguerite Guilbeau, dau of Charles and Marguerite Bourg married Joseph Cormier. She was the niece of Marguerite Guilbeau who married Simon Joseph LeBlanc Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:acadian-cajun-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marsha Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:49 PM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN@rootsweb.com Subject: [Acadian-Cajun] Marguerite Guilbeau (Charles & M Bourg Hello to all, While we are speaking of a Guilbeau line, does Marguerite Guilbeau, b1777, d/o Charles Guilbeau and Marguerite Bourg fit in with the lines we are speaking of now? Thanks, Marsha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Ran across this in the "reconstructed" 1776 St Louis Census: Jean Baptiste Langevin, Timber Merchant, Illinois Marianne Langevin, wife Henriette Langevin, age 6, St Louis Marie Anne Langevin, age 9, St Louis The two girls are referenced in the "Spanish Regime in Missouri" i mentioned in my previous email: In a note on "Carlos Cardinal" is written: "He married Henriette Langevin, the daughter of Jean Baptiste Langevin, and was a brother-in-law of Jos Quebec, who also married a Langevin." Neal..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Hello to all, While we are speaking of a Guilbeau line, does Marguerite Guilbeau, b1777, d/o Charles Guilbeau and Marguerite Bourg fit in with the lines we are speaking of now? Thanks, Marsha
Hello everyone, I was just browsing a message I was originally drafting in response to Stanley and noticed his mention of Arkansas and a Joseph Kebed dit Quebec. Last nite I was browsing and ran across a Google Books link titled "The Spanish Regime in Missouri: A Collection of Papers and Documents" by Louis Houck published in 1909. In one of the lists of persons (from 1791, I believe) it lists a widow "Marianna Quebec". In notes it identifies her as "Marianna Quebec, nee Langevin", the daughter of Jean Baptiste Langevin dit Baquette and having married Joseph Quebec. That said, it would appear they'd be too young to have been the parents of Charles Quebedeau of Illinois. Will be interested to see what Stanley is able to dig up. Neal..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Hi: In that same volume, page 131 under BOURGEOIS: Angela (parents not given) m. 24 Apr 1787, Pedro ARSENO (par- ents not given) wit. Miguel GODE, Eleonor Presan (SJA-2, 3) Don Boudreaux Lafayette, La. KATheriot@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Cecil that there may be a mistake in the Baton Rouge Diocese > record, especially as there is no entry under the bride's surname. It is in the > Baton Rouge Diocese, CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS, vol. 2, p. 27, transcribed > as: > > Pedro [ARCENEAUX] (Pedro & Maria Gode) m. 6 Apr. 1786, Pelagia BABE > (Santiago & Margarita Landri of LaFourche) wit. Josef Bursua, Francisca Saba > (SJA-2, 2) > > It is pretty simple to send for a photocopy of the actual register entry > from the diocesan archives, but they now limit you to five at a time, and charge > $10 apiece. I am awaiting another 5 right now, and have promised myself in > the future to limit myself to direct ancestors. Pierre ARSENEAU is only the > brother of my ancestor Eusebe. > > I think it even more likely that there was an annulment of that first > marriage, before each of the couple married again just over a year later. That is > the conclusion reached by Stephen A. White (and others), citing the civil > register of St. James Parish. Would anyone with access to the courthouse there be > willing to check the records from Apr 1786 to about May 1787 for an > annulment? Pelagie BABIN was only age 14 or 15 at the time of the first marriage. Her > father had died four months earlier, and the witnesses were not close > relatives, so perhaps she did not have permission. I believe her mother Marguerite > LANDRY is the one who died in 1806 with this entry: > Marguerite LANDRY, age 56 years, widow of Joseph MALOUIN, was buried 25 Mar > 1806 (SJA-4, 28). > > Hoping for more documentation. > Karen Theriot Reader > _KATheriot@aol.com_ (mailto:KATheriot@aol.com) > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-CAJUN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
I should have thanked Roger Rozendal first for the listing from Savard's DICTIONNAIRE about the annulment. There is given the citation for C[entre d']E[tudes] A[cadiennes] & S[tephen] W[hite]. Thanks! I still would like to see the courthouse document. Karen Theriot Reader _KATheriot@aol.com_ (mailto:KATheriot@aol.com) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com