Both Firmin and Theotiste were married 2x. Theotiste was m. 1st to Bonadventure Godin [Gaudin] and had a daughter named Anne-Barbe [Barbe-Anne]. Firmin had children with both wives. Roger Rozendal and I have concluded that Elisabeth-Francoise [shown as Francoise] and Theotiste Thibodeaux were sisters and the parents were Charles Thibodeaux and Brigitte Breaux. The first child of Firmin and Theotiste was named Francoise. Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: Alice Berges [mailto:apberges@houston.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:24 PM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Help on Firmin Landry please. I am sooo confused... please help me straighten this out. Was Firmin Landry married twice? to Elizabeth Francoise Thibodeaux? AND toTheotiste Thibaudau? And if he was, did he have children by both wives? Was Theotiste married before also? Also does anyone know the parents of Elizabeth and Theotiste? How many children did Firmin actually have? Thanks in advance for helping me with this. Alice in Crosby Texas ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.acadian -cajun This is a link to the Acadian-Cajun Message Board at RootsWeb. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am sooo confused... please help me straighten this out. Was Firmin Landry married twice? to Elizabeth Francoise Thibodeaux? AND toTheotiste Thibaudau? And if he was, did he have children by both wives? Was Theotiste married before also? Also does anyone know the parents of Elizabeth and Theotiste? How many children did Firmin actually have? Thanks in advance for helping me with this. Alice in Crosby Texas

Below are excerpts from the Acadian Memorial Database. The last info is the 1777 muster roll. Roger Rozendal and I had checked a while back and couldn't find any other information re marriages or death in the SWLR or the DOBR records. He wasn't shown in the 1801 probate of Firmin Landry's estate. I suspect that he was one of the soldiers who went with Declouet in Feb. 1779 to Pointe Coupee to fight under Galvez and was killed. Note the Mother's name! Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com Mother: Élizabeth Françoise Thibodeau Father: Firmin Landry Louisiana: Identified in the 1771 census of the Attakapas District as a sixteen-year-old member of his father's household. The June 20, 1774, muster roll indicates that he was a fusilier in the Attakapas District militia. His name is rendered as Saturnine Landry in the June 20, 1774, list. The May 10, 1777, muster roll indicates that he was a fusilier in the Attakapas District militia. His name is rendered as Sinturnin Landry in the May 10, 1777 list. Sources: Census of the Attakapas District, 1771, AGI, PPC, 188C:43vo; Hébert, Southwest Louisiana Records, 1:344; Arsenault, Histoire et généalogie, 6:2522; Muster Roll for the Attakapas District Militia Unit, June 20, 1774, AGI, PPC, legajo 161; Muster Roll for the Attakapas District Militia Unit, May 10, 1777, AGI, PPC, legajo 161. -----Original Message----- From: Don2717@aol.com [mailto:Don2717@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:47 PM To: cajun@thecajuns.com; ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Re: More Landrys? In a message dated 10/20/03 10:46:50 AM Central Daylight Time, cajun@thecajuns.com writes: << My apologies. I keep forgetting about Saturin who was born about 1755. He apparently died shortly after arriving in Louisiana. Stanley LeBlanc =============== "The first Landry in the Attakapas was Firmin (m. 1752 Elizabeth Thibodeaux, 1776 Théotiste Thibodeaux), a Maryland exile, who by 1769 or 1770 had taken up land on the upper Bayou Vermillion, near Grand Pointe, with his two grown sons Joseph and Saturin; later he obtained a smaller tract on the Teche at Fausse Pointe near present Loreauville. Son Saturin apparently remained single, but Joseph (m. Marie Anne Melançon) settled on Bayou Vermillion, some of their progeny staying in the vicinity of present Lafayette, others migrating into Vermillion Parish." (Robert C. West using Hebert 1974 vols 1?4 in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin" ? pages 91-96) ("Attakapas Post: The Census of 1771 " - Deville) - On page 12 the census lists: Firmin Landry, 43; wife ; Joseph Landry ; Madeleine Landry 15 ; Saturin Landry 16; Girls 10, 8,. 28; Cattle, 7 horses; 12 Arpents without title. For further information see: (The First Acadian Settlement, "Louisiana History vol XVII, no.1 [Winter 1976 pages 91-96]) Firmin Landry is listed, along with his son Joseph Landry in the Acadian members of the militia at the Attakapas in 1774 and 1777. (Bona Arcenault - Tome 2 - Attakapas et Opelousas) Note: Saturin is not listed, although he would be 19 to 21 years old at this time. Maybe as you suggested, he died young. As stated above, he apparently never married. Does anyone know when he died??? Don Landry

In a message dated 10/20/03 10:46:50 AM Central Daylight Time, cajun@thecajuns.com writes: << My apologies. I keep forgetting about Saturin who was born about 1755. He apparently died shortly after arriving in Louisiana. Stanley LeBlanc =============== "The first Landry in the Attakapas was Firmin (m. 1752 Elizabeth Thibodeaux, 1776 Théotiste Thibodeaux), a Maryland exile, who by 1769 or 1770 had taken up land on the upper Bayou Vermillion, near Grand Pointe, with his two grown sons Joseph and Saturin; later he obtained a smaller tract on the Teche at Fausse Pointe near present Loreauville. Son Saturin apparently remained single, but Joseph (m. Marie Anne Melançon) settled on Bayou Vermillion, some of their progeny staying in the vicinity of present Lafayette, others migrating into Vermillion Parish." (Robert C. West using Hebert 1974 vols 1?4 in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin" ? pages 91-96) ("Attakapas Post: The Census of 1771 " - Deville) - On page 12 the census lists: Firmin Landry, 43; wife ; Joseph Landry ; Madeleine Landry 15 ; Saturin Landry 16; Girls 10, 8,. 28; Cattle, 7 horses; 12 Arpents without title. For further information see: (The First Acadian Settlement, "Louisiana History vol XVII, no.1 [Winter 1976 pages 91-96]) Firmin Landry is listed, along with his son Joseph Landry in the Acadian members of the militia at the Attakapas in 1774 and 1777. (Bona Arcenault - Tome 2 - Attakapas et Opelousas) Note: Saturin is not listed, although he would be 19 to 21 years old at this time. Maybe as you suggested, he died young. As stated above, he apparently never married. Does anyone know when he died??? Don Landry

In a message dated 10/20/03 9:00:15 AM Central Daylight Time, cajun@thecajuns.com writes: << Firmin had 3 children with his first wife, Elisabeth-Francoise Thibodeaux: Joseph, Helene and Marie-Madeleine. Marie-Madeleine married Rene Broussard 6/12/1775 and died abt. 1778. Rene Broussard then married Anne-Barbe Gaudin [Godin], the daughter of Bonadventure Gaudin and Theotiste Thibodeaux and the step-daughter of Firmin Landry. Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com Stanley: Firmin was deported to Maryland in 1755 with his wife and two children, Joseph age 5 years and Saturin , an infant not yet 1 year old. "..... Firmin Landry and his first wife, Françoise Thibodeau, were enumerated among the Acadians at Oxford, Maryland, in the census of 7 July 1763. "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 - "Acadians in the 1763 Census - Oxford") In this record Françoise is called Elizabeth, but this is the only mention of her under that given name, and may simply be an error. Sometime between 1763 and 1771, the family emigrated to the French colony of Louisiana (probably around 1767 or 1768).(Stephen A. White ) Firmin Landry died 4 Feb 1801 at age 76 years (SM ch.: v.4, #231) (Hebert vol 1 p.). That means that if Firmin was 76 years old in Feb 1801, then he would have been born ca 1724-25. His oldest son Joseph died 3 June 1797 at age 47 years. This means that Joseph was born ca 1750 and was deported with his father, mother and brother Saturin at age 5 years. Saturin's birth date is mentioned as 1755. This means that he was an infant not yet 1 tear old when he was deported Don Landry

In a message dated 10/19/03 11:11:46 PM Central Daylight Time, KATheriot@aol.com writes: << why must everyone assume that the woman listed as Elizabeth is his wife? Could it not be his sister Elisabeth LANDRY, who would have been around age 25, and is listed nowhere >> Your suggestion that the Elizabeth mentioned in the census of 1763 could have been his sister has merit. In the case of my grandfather, whose mother died shortly after his birth, was raised by his mother's sister, who later married his father. This was a commomn practice, where the unwed sister would move in and care for her sister's children. However the census states: "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 - "Acadians in the 1763 Census - Oxford") How do you account for the statement: "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife" Don Landry

Don, My apologies. I keep forgetting about Saturin who was born about 1755. He apparently died shortly after arriving in Louisiana. Stanley LeBlanc -----Original Message----- From: Don2717@aol.com [mailto:Don2717@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:19 AM To: cajun@thecajuns.com; ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Re: More Landrys? In a message dated 10/20/03 9:00:15 AM Central Daylight Time, cajun@thecajuns.com writes: << Firmin had 3 children with his first wife, Elisabeth-Francoise Thibodeaux: Joseph, Helene and Marie-Madeleine. Marie-Madeleine married Rene Broussard 6/12/1775 and died abt. 1778. Rene Broussard then married Anne-Barbe Gaudin [Godin], the daughter of Bonadventure Gaudin and Theotiste Thibodeaux and the step-daughter of Firmin Landry. Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com Stanley: Firmin was deported to Maryland in 1755 with his wife and two children, Joseph age 5 years and Saturin , an infant not yet 1 year old. "..... Firmin Landry and his first wife, Françoise Thibodeau, were enumerated among the Acadians at Oxford, Maryland, in the census of 7 July 1763. "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 - "Acadians in the 1763 Census - Oxford") In this record Françoise is called Elizabeth, but this is the only mention of her under that given name, and may simply be an error. Sometime between 1763 and 1771, the family emigrated to the French colony of Louisiana (probably around 1767 or 1768).(Stephen A. White ) Firmin Landry died 4 Feb 1801 at age 76 years (SM ch.: v.4, #231) (Hebert vol 1 p.). That means that if Firmin was 76 years old in Feb 1801, then he would have been born ca 1724-25. His oldest son Joseph died 3 June 1797 at age 47 years. This means that Joseph was born ca 1750 and was deported with his father, mother and brother Saturin at age 5 years. Saturin's birth date is mentioned as 1755. This means that he was an infant not yet 1 tear old when he was deported Don Landry

Firmin had 3 children with his first wife, Elisabeth-Francoise Thibodeaux: Joseph, Helene and Marie-Madeleine. Marie-Madeleine married Rene Broussard 6/12/1775 and died abt. 1778. Rene Broussard then married Anne-Barbe Gaudin [Godin], the daughter of Bonadventure Gaudin and Theotiste Thibodeaux and the step-daughter of Firmin Landry. Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: KATheriot@aol.com [mailto:KATheriot@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:11 PM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Re: More Landrys? Dear List, Three thoughts on the family of Firmin LANDRY. (1) The record of Firmin's burial at St. Martinville gives his age as 76 [not 67], in the Spanish language of the original: "LANDRY, Firmin - of Acadia (Alexandre & ---) m. to Theotiste THIBAUDAU He died suddenly; bur. 4 Feb. 1801 at age "sesenta y dies y seis anos" [literally 60 and 16 years] 76 years. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.4, #231)" This is cut and pasted from the record on Donald J. Hebert's CD version of THE SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS. I also found it exactly the same in his revised vol. 1-B of that series, p. 428. So, if he was buried in early February 1801 at age 76, he would have been born around 1724, or early in 1725. (2) If Firmin LANDRY and the four children he had with first wife Francoise THIBODEAU are listed on the 7 Jul 1763 census at Oxford, MD, why must everyone assume that the woman listed as Elizabeth is his wife? Could it not be his sister Elisabeth LANDRY, who would have been around age 25, and is listed nowhere else I see in Maryland that year. She does appear in 1769 in Louisiana with another sister Marie Josephe LANDRY. If Firmin's wife had died in Maryland before the census, leaving him with four young children (and possibly a baby named Barbe who appears in 1769 in Attakapas with Firmin's family), would it not be logical for his never-married younger sister Elisabeth to have moved in to help? (3) I am also intrigued by the girl (Anne-)Barbe, who appears from 1770 on in the household of Ursule LANDRY (widow of Jean BABIN), the older sister of Firmin. The girl was NOT on the census with this family in 1769. On 28 Oct 1778 she married Joseph MELANSON (dit Vieux), son of Honore & Marie BRAUD, in Donaldsonville, Ascension parish, LA (ASC-1, 135). Found in Baton Rouge Diocese, CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS, vol. 2, pp. 42 & 535. Her name on the marriage record is listed as Anna Barbara BABEIN, daughter of Jean & Ursule LANDRY. Could it be she was adopted, however? One witness to the marriage was "Joseph BABEIN" (probably the oldest son of Jean BABIN & Ursule LANDRY); another witness was Maturin (Saturnin?) LANDRY (possibly the son of Firmin LANDRY & Francoise THIBODEAU). Some records on the SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS CD seems to bear this theory out, where she is listed again as a LANDRY: On the birth of her sixth child: "MELANCON, Louis (Joseph & Barbara LANDRY) b. 7 Jan. 1789, bt. 7 June 1790 Spons: Joseph MINOL & Marie DORET. ...Fr. de DEVA (SM Ch.: v.4, #422)" And a death/burial record: " LANDRY, Barbe - wid. of Joseph MELANCON; died 5 Aug. 1817 at age about 66 years at her home at l'ance; buried 6 Aug. 1817 in the parish cemetery. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: v.4, #1120)" Comments are welcome. Karen Theriot Reader KATheriot@aol.com ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== The number one rule of this list is no flaming. If something is posted to the list that disturbs you, bring it to the _admin._, not the list or the person who posted. Your concerns will be addressed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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Dear List, Three thoughts on the family of Firmin LANDRY. (1) The record of Firmin's burial at St. Martinville gives his age as 76 [not 67], in the Spanish language of the original: "LANDRY, Firmin - of Acadia (Alexandre & ---) m. to Theotiste THIBAUDAU He died suddenly; bur. 4 Feb. 1801 at age "sesenta y dies y seis anos" [literally 60 and 16 years] 76 years. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.4, #231)" This is cut and pasted from the record on Donald J. Hebert's CD version of THE SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS. I also found it exactly the same in his revised vol. 1-B of that series, p. 428. So, if he was buried in early February 1801 at age 76, he would have been born around 1724, or early in 1725. (2) If Firmin LANDRY and the four children he had with first wife Francoise THIBODEAU are listed on the 7 Jul 1763 census at Oxford, MD, why must everyone assume that the woman listed as Elizabeth is his wife? Could it not be his sister Elisabeth LANDRY, who would have been around age 25, and is listed nowhere else I see in Maryland that year. She does appear in 1769 in Louisiana with another sister Marie Josephe LANDRY. If Firmin's wife had died in Maryland before the census, leaving him with four young children (and possibly a baby named Barbe who appears in 1769 in Attakapas with Firmin's family), would it not be logical for his never-married younger sister Elisabeth to have moved in to help? (3) I am also intrigued by the girl (Anne-)Barbe, who appears from 1770 on in the household of Ursule LANDRY (widow of Jean BABIN), the older sister of Firmin. The girl was NOT on the census with this family in 1769. On 28 Oct 1778 she married Joseph MELANSON (dit Vieux), son of Honore & Marie BRAUD, in Donaldsonville, Ascension parish, LA (ASC-1, 135). Found in Baton Rouge Diocese, CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS, vol. 2, pp. 42 & 535. Her name on the marriage record is listed as Anna Barbara BABEIN, daughter of Jean & Ursule LANDRY. Could it be she was adopted, however? One witness to the marriage was "Joseph BABEIN" (probably the oldest son of Jean BABIN & Ursule LANDRY); another witness was Maturin (Saturnin?) LANDRY (possibly the son of Firmin LANDRY & Francoise THIBODEAU). Some records on the SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS CD seems to bear this theory out, where she is listed again as a LANDRY: On the birth of her sixth child: "MELANCON, Louis (Joseph & Barbara LANDRY) b. 7 Jan. 1789, bt. 7 June 1790 Spons: Joseph MINOL & Marie DORET. ...Fr. de DEVA (SM Ch.: v.4, #422)" And a death/burial record: " LANDRY, Barbe - wid. of Joseph MELANCON; died 5 Aug. 1817 at age about 66 years at her home at l'ance; buried 6 Aug. 1817 in the parish cemetery. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: v.4, #1120)" Comments are welcome. Karen Theriot Reader KATheriot@aol.com

In the next couple of weeks I plan to visit Cornerview and St Theresa of Avila in Gonzales area(Ancension Civil Parish). Does anyone know if Cornerview (Sacred Heart Catholic) Records are included at St Theresa in Dois. of Baton Rouge books? Any one who would like me to look for a tomb please let me who they are. Let's do it on LA-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com so we can combine requests unless you feel you need to contact me directly. Before this spring is over I plan to visit in this order St James, Ascension, Assumption & St. Elizabeths. I will announce each seperately so I don't get drown in info. Paul

> "The first Landry in the Attakapas was Firmin (m. 1752 François dit > Elizabeth Thibodeaux, 1776 Théotiste Thibodeaux), a Maryland exile and > widower, who > by 1769 or 1770 had taken up land on the upper Bayou Vermillion, near Grand > Pointe, with his two grown sons Joseph and Saturin; later he obtained a > smaller > tract on the Teche at Fausse Pointe near present Loreauville.(17) Don, In the 1769 census of Attakapas (exact date unknown) is listed: Firmen Landry 42 His Wife Joseph his son 17 Saturnin his son 15 Elena his daughter 19 Magdeleyna his daughter 13 Barbe his daughter 8 Firmin arrived in Louisiana and settled at Attakapas before the 1769 census. Roger A. Rozendal rogroz@swbell.net

Hi, Andrea, I have a copy of this book that I bought mail order from Fr. Hebert's enterprise a few years ago. You might check to see if they still have it in stock. Quoting from the Introduction: These pages trace the family of Joseph Landry and Marie Anne Cormier; both were Acadians. They married around 1768, and settled in St. James Parish above New Orleans not long afterwards. Joseph and Marie had ten children; Marie Celeste, the youngest, was born in 1791.... It's a detailed genealogy, going down into the middle 1900s, and has a handy index of names. It turns out that my family doesn't happen to be from this descendancy, so I have had little opportunity (or need) to verify her work. George Friedman >From: "Andy" <seaire@starband.net> >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:37:01 -0400 >Subject: Reference Help >To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi, > >First - please excuse the incomplete message sent, I have a clitch in >outlook express. Secondly, can anyone out there tell me more about the book >entitled "A Book of Landrys" by Norma Lee Cloutre Pollard? I have seen this >book used as a reference so I was interested in when/where published, etc. > >Thanks for any help out there, > >Andrea Scott

I would like to contact a Bonnie Bourg of Houma, La. who was Dean of Women at Nicholls State College at one time. She is retired now and about 70 + years old. I think she may be connected to my Bourg line If anyone knows her e-mail or P.O. address, may I hear from you? Thanks. Mary Jo Alexandria, La.

In a message dated 10/18/03 6:01:41 AM Central Daylight Time, LucieMC@comcast.net writes: << Could you please post the sources for this part of the information you have shared? <<Joseph Landry m Marie-Anne Melançon was the son of Firmin Landry and Francoise Thibodeau and was his parents when they were exiled in Oxford Maryland. Firmin Landry was the son of Alexandre Landry>> Thanks very much! Lucie >> Lucie: In a letter written to me in response to questions concerning Firmin Landry, Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist , University of Montcon in New Brunswick states: "Regarding Firmin Landry, I am aware of the hypothesis that has recently been advanced to the effect that Firmin Landry who married Françoise Thibodeau and Théotiste Thibodeau was a son of Charles Landry and Marie LeBlanc. The researchers who have reached this conclusion seem to have some reason for rejecting what appears to be recorded in Firmin's burial record at St-Martinville,[ (4 Feb. 1801 at age 67 yrs) (SM Ch.: V. 4, #231)] which according to Father Donald Hébert (Southwest Louisiana Records, vol 1, p. 344) shows that Théotiste Thibodeau's husband was a son of Alexandre Landry. I do not know what their reason might be for this, and consequently I am not changed in my belief that Firmin Landry was a son of Alexandre Landry and Marguerite Blanchard. Insofar as I know, Marguerite Blanchard's husband was the only Alexandre Landry who was fathering children in Acadia around the time of Firmin Landry's birth (about 1726, orperhaps about 1728 as you suggest, although the burial record would make him much younger, born about 1734). Please note that Alexandre Landry who married Anne Flan could not have been Firmin's father, because he and Anne were only married in 1732." "Alexandre Landry is identified as a son of Germain Landry and Marie Melanson in the petition of his grandson Edourd Godin for a dispensation to marry his second cousin Madeleine Landry, Feb. 16, 1796 (Shirley Chaisson Bourquard, Marriage Dispensations in the diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas: 1786-1803 (New Orleans: Polyanthos, 1980), pp. 10-11)." "..... Firmin Landry and his first wife, Françoise Thibodeau, were enumerated among the Acadians at Oxford, Maryland, in 1763. In this record Françoise is called Elizabeth, but this is the only mention of her under that given name, and may simply be an error. I do not know when Firmin and his family left Maryland for Louisiana. There are lists that show when many Acadians from Maryland arrived in New Orleans (Jacqueline K. Voorhies, Some Late Eighteenth-Century Louisianans (Lafayette: University of Southwestern Louisiana 1973), pp. 430-437; Lawrence Kinnard, ed., "Spain in the Mississippi Valley," in the Annual Report of the American Historical Association for the year 1945, vol. II, pp. 140-142), but Firmin Landry is not listed on any of them. The eldest child of Firmin's second marriage, a girl named Françoise in memory of his first wife, was born Oct. 22, 1770, so we may presume that Françoise Thibodeau was dead by at least sometime in 1769, but I am unaware of any document that would permit greater precision in fixing the date of her death. I believe that Firmin Landry must have brought his family to Louisiana by ship, as there was no other practical method of making the trip at that time." " I have not been able to identify Françoise Thibodeau's parents. She and Firmin Landry appear to have both come from Pisiguit. All the Thibodeaus there appear to have lived in Assumption Parish, on the east side of the river. They all descended from Pierre Thibodeau, l'aine and Anne?Marie Bourg. Pierre and Anne?Marie might consequently have been Françoise's paternal grandparents." Professor White states above that Alexandre Landry was the son of Germain Landry. In 1755 the family was deported by the British to Oxford, Maryland, in the New England colony. In 1763, Firmin and his first wife, Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeau and the children of his first wife, appear in the census of the Acadian prisoners who still remained in Maryland during the eight years that ensued from: "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 "Acadians in the 1763 Census ? Oxford") Professor White further writes in a letter to B.R. Malkmus of Decatur Alabama , and basing his assumption on the death or burial record of Firmin Landry m. Théotiste Thibodeaux that states that Firmin was the son of (Alexandre Landry and ??????????) establishing an Alexandre Landry as the father of Firmin Landry. he states: "Once we eliminate from consideration the Alexandre Landry who married Anne Flan, the only other Alexandre known who might have been Firmin's father was Germain's son. As it happens that Alexandre Landry's other children, including Genevieve I mentioned in my letter to Dr. Landry, were all in Oxford, Maryland, in close proximity to Firmin, There is certainly a certain amount of plausability to the identification I have proposed. Professor Stephen White then concludes: "The only hypotheses concerning Firmin LANDRY's parentage remains to be tested are mine and the one suggesting that he was the son of Charles LANDRY and Marie LEBLANC. In my opinion the case turns on whether or not Firmin LANDRY's burial record indeed names his father as Alexandre LANDRY, as Father Donald Hebert maintains. If that is so, then I am inclined to believe that Firmin LANDRY who was the son of Charles LANDRY must have been someone other than your ancestor." "Therefore, I believe, Firmin LANDRY was the son of Alexandre LANDRY and Marguerite BLANCHARD." Marie Florane adds the following: "I have exhausted my reasearch on the wife of ALEXANDRE LANDRY. I will quote from a letter I received from Stephen White, Genealogist, Universite de Montcon, New Brunswick, Canada in response to my inquiry." "ALEXANDRE LANDRY, father of VINCENT LANDRY and URSULE LANDRY BABIN. This filiation is revealed by a deed dated February 2, 1777, whereby URSULE LANDRY, widow of Jean-Baptiste Babin, abandoned to her brother, VINCENT LANDRY, a lot of land. (See S.A. Marchand, "An Attempt to Re-assemble the Old Settlers of Family Groups). Thjis deed is said to be in Vol C, Folio 175, in the office of Ascension, at Donaldsonville, La.. In the census of Ascension of 1770, this same URSULE LANDRY, is the "widow Babin" residing with her brother-in-law. Joseph Godin (dit) LINCOUR. See A.J. Robichaux, Jr., "Coloniel Settlers Along Bayou Lafourche, the author, 1974, p. 3). Other records show that JOSEPH LINCOUR's wife was GENEVIEVE LANDRY, so that means that URSULE LANDRY and GENEVIEVE were sisters. The petition of Edourd Godin, Genevieve's son , for a dispensation to marry his second cousin, Madeleine LANDRY, February 17, 1797, states that GENEVIEVE's parents were ALEXANDRE LANDRY and MARGUERITE BLANCHARD. (University of Notre Dame, Records of the Diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas, microfilm copy of the original manuscript available here. Edouard and Madeleine were married at Ascenmsion, Donaldsonville, La. June 27, 1796." (Stephen White in response to an inquiry from Marie Florane) 3RD GENERATION ALEXANDRE LANDRY AND MARGUERITE BLANCHARD Alexandre LANDRY is identified as a son of Germain LANDRY and Marie MELANSON in the petition of his grandson Edourd GODIN for a dispensation to marry his second cousin Madeleine LANDRY, Feb. 16, 1796 (Shirley Chaisson Bourquard, Marriage Dispensations in the diocese of Louisiana and the Floridas: 1786-1803 (New Orleans: Polyanthos, 1980), pp. 10-11)." Stephen A. White states that: "Alexandre died sometime before the Maryland census of 7 july 1763. However, there is no record of Alexandre that accounts for his whereabouts during the expulsion. Also no record of his death has been found." "So not much is known about Alexandre LANDRY (Germain LANDRY and Marie MELANSON) that was mentioned in the death or burial records of Firmin LANDRY at St. Martin de Tours Church in St. Martinville, La., on 4 February, 1801, as the father of Firmin LANDRY." "Firmin LANDRY's burial record at St. Martinville, [ (4 Feb. 1801 at age 67 yrs) (SM Ch.: V. 4, #231)} which according to Father Donald Hébert (Southwest Louisiana Records, vol 1, p. 344) shows that Théotiste THIBODEAU's husband was the son of "Alexandre LANDRY and . . . . . . . . . " " "my belief is that Firmin LANDRY was the son of Alexandre LANDRY and Marguerite BLANCHARD. Insofar as I know, Marguerite Blanchard's husband was the only Alexandre LANDRY who was fathering children in Acadia around the time of Firmin LANDRY's birth (about 1726, or perhaps about 1728 as you suggest, although the burial record would make him much younger, born about 1734). " (Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, University of Montcon in New Brunswick) Alexandre (Germain and Marie MELANSON) n v 1695 (Rc PR 1698 2a 6 mois); m (Disp Louisiane) v 1723, Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD (Martin BLANCHARD & Marguerite Guilbeau); d av 7 juil 1763. (Professor Stephen A. White) The following was copied from page 47-49 of the Draft of Professor Stephen A. White's publication: (S.A. White "Dictionaire genealogique des families acadiennes, partie I (1636-1714)v 1659 (in progress)- LANDRY (no 8) v 1694 Alexandre n v 1695 (Rc PR 1698 2a 6 mois); m (Disp Louisiane) v 1723 Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD (Martin & Marguerite Guilbeau); d av Rc 1763 (7 juil). According to S.A. White in his "Dictionaire genealogique des families acadiennes, partie I (1636-1714) v 1659 (in progress)" - , Alexandre Landry and Marguerite Blanchard had the following children: a. Ursule n v 1724 (Rc Oxford (Maryland) 1763, Rc Cabahannnocer 1769 45a, Rc Ascension 1770 veuve Babin, chez son beau frere Joseph Lincour); m.. v 1739 Jean-Baptiste BABIN (Jean and Marguerite BOUDROT); s Rg Ascension 17 janiv. 1786. 89. b. Firmin n v 1726 (Rc Oxford 1763); m. 1 v 1749 Françoise THIBODEAU (parents unknown); m 2 v 1769 Théotiste THIBODEAU (Charles and Brigette BREAU) vve Bonaventure GODIN; d/s Rg St Martinville 2/4 fév 1801 67 a (sic) (pre nomme).. 148. c. Vincent (pr de Joseph-Alexandre Landry f Marie Joseph Rg Ascension 1775) n v 1727 (Rc Cabannocer 1769 42a, Rc Ascension 1770 44a, 1777 50 a); m. Rg St Joseph de Tuckahoe 13 Oct 1765 Suzanne Godin (Pierre-Joseph and Marie Joseph Bourg); s Rg Plattenville 28 mars 1798 74a (sic) d. Marguerite (Rc Oxford, Maryland 1763) e. Marie-Josephe n v 1734 (Rc Baltimore (Maryland) 1763, Rc Cabannocer 1769 35a, Rc Ascension 1770 36 a 1777 43a); m av Rc 1763 Etienne LANDRY (Joseph and Marie-Marguerite Forest) of Dorothée Babin; s Rg Plattenville 3 nov 1810 77a vve f. Anne-Madeleine (mr d'Anne?Madeleine Landry f Vincent Rg St Louis de la Nouvelle Orléans 1771) n v 1736 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 33a, Rc Ascension 1770 34a, 1777 41a); m. Nouvelle Orléans __________ 1768 Maturin LANDRY (Abraham and Elizabeth LeBlanc) vf Marie Dugas; s Rg St Gabriel d'Iberville 17 Aout 1823 86a. g. Elizabeth (Isabelle) n v 1738 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 - a chez son beau-frére Etienne Landry, Rc Ascension 1770 32a chez Etienne Landry, 1777 30a (sic) encore chez Etienne Landry); - s Rg Ascension 4 oct 1786 - a. h. Geneviéve (Disp Louisianne) n v 1744 (Rc Oxford 1763, Rc Cabahannocer 1769 25a); m v 1768 Joseph Godin dit LINCOUR (Jean-Baptiste and Anastasie Bourg) vf Marie (part dit)Laforest; d entre Rc 1769 and Rc 1770. Documents officiels: Rg Ascenson (Louisiane) Rg Plattenville (Louisiane) Rg St Gabriel (Louisiane) Rg St Martinville (Louisiane) Rg St Joseph de Tuckahoe (Maryland) Rc Oxford (Maryland) 1763: avec end: Oliver Babin Note de S. A. White: Nous n'avons aucune prenve documentaire que Marie?Marguerite Blanchard soit mere que de la derniere des enfants d'Alexandre Landry.(Letter dated 10 June 1996 from Ronnie-Giles LeBlanc, conferring with Professor Stephen A. White, historian and genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, at the University of Montcon in New Brunswick) ****************************************************************************** According to Ronnie-Giles LeBlanc, conferring with Professor Stephen A. White, genealogist at the Centre d'études acadiennes, at the University of Montcon in New Brunswick, Alexandre LANDRY (Germain (9) and Marie MELANSON, n v 1695 d av Rc 1763 (7 juill) and Marie-Marguerite BLANCHARD(Martin (2) and Marguerite GUILBEAU) n entre Rc 1703 & Rc 1707, had the following children: Alexandre Landry, 1695 (Germain Landry and Marie Melancon) d. before the census of 7 july 163 m. Marie-Marguerite Blanchard (Martin Blanchard and Marguerite Guillbeau) . issue: Ursule, 1724; Firmin, 1726 ; Vincent, 1727; Marguerite (Rc Oxford 1763); Marie Josephe, 1734; Anne Madeleine , 1736; Elizabeth Isabelle , 1738; Genevieve, 1744. ========== ============+++++++++++++++++++++++ Alexandre Landry (Germain Landry & Marie Melanson) died before the census of the Acadian exiles at Oxford, Maryland, on 7 July 1763 married Marie-Marguerite Blanchard Enumerated in the census of the Acadian exiles at Oxford, Maryland, on 7 July 1763 as Marie Landry (Blanchard) widow (Alexandre Landry) As far as Joseph Landry m. Marie Melançon is concerned, the family including Joseph (Firmin's first born) was deported by the British to Oxford, Maryland, in the New England colony in October of 1755. In 1763, Firmin and his first wife, Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeau and their children appear in the census of the Acadian prisoners at Oxford Maryland : "LANDRY Firmin, Elizabeth his wife, Joseph and Saturin Landry, Eleine and Magdne. Landry" ("THE FRENCH PRESENCE IN MARYLAND p. 193 "Acadians in the 1763 Census - Oxford") Bona Arcenault on page 1063 in Tome 2 (Attakapas et Opelousas) of his publication "Histoire et Genealogie des Acadiens" in the section titled "Les Acadiens proprietaires de troupeaux aux Attakapas et aux Opelousas, de 1761 a 1810. (1) you will find Firmin Landry, Joseph Landry and Agricole Landry in the Brand Book: "The first Landry in the Attakapas was Firmin (m. 1752 François dit Elizabeth Thibodeaux, 1776 Théotiste Thibodeaux), a Maryland exile and widower, who by 1769 or 1770 had taken up land on the upper Bayou Vermillion, near Grand Pointe, with his two grown sons Joseph and Saturin; later he obtained a smaller tract on the Teche at Fausse Pointe near present Loreauville.(17) Son Saturin apparently remained single, but Joseph (m. Marie Anne Melanton) settled on Bayou Vermillion, some of their progeny staying in the vicinity of present Lafayette, others migrating into Vermillion Parish." (Robert C. West using Hebert 1974 vols 1-4 in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin" - pages 91?96) ("Attakapas Post: The Census of 1771 " - Deville) - On page 12 the census lists: Firmin Landry, 43; wife -; Joseph Landry -; Madeleine Landry 15 ; Saturin Landry 16; Girls 10, 8,. 28 Cattle, 7 horses; 12 Arpents without title. (For further information see: (The First Acadian Settlement, "Louisiana History vol XVII, no.1 [Winter 1976 pages 91?96]) Firmin Landry is listed, along with his son Joseph Landry né 1753 in the Acadian members of the militia at the Attakapas in 1774 and 1777. (Bona Arcenault - Tome 2 - Attakapas et Opelousas) Nothing is known, but much is presumed about the years between 1755?1769 when Joseph and his family appear in the Attakapas district of Louisiana. We find JOSEPH LANDRY on the Militia list along with other Landry family members. No marriage record has been found, but Joseph Landry and Marie-Anne Melançon begin baptising their children at the church at Opelousas before 1780 and then at St. Martin de Tours Church after 1785. Joseph Landry is born to Firmin Landry and Elizabeth Françoise Thibodeaux, in 1753. Joseph Landry marries Marie-Ann Melantcon d/o Paul Melançon and Marie Theriot in 1775. (Selected Acadian and Louisiana Church Records - Bodin vol. 1 - p. 298) The Attakapas Gazette recently published a list of "Patriots" and Joseph Landry is included with this information: Patriot listed on roster of "La Compagnie de Malice des Attakapas" dated 1 May 1777. pp. 289-290 "S.A.R. Spanish Records. Spanish English War 1779-1783" compiled by C. Robert Churchill. This makes all descendants of Joseph Landry D.A.R. or S.A.R. JOSEPH LANDRY was given a Spanish land grant in 1772. See Plat No. T?125, R??7E on map in State Land Office in Baton Rouge. ****************************************************************************** JOSEPH LANDRY, 1753, fils de Firmin et de Françoise Thibodeaux, marie vers 1775 a Marie-Anne Melancon, bn 1760 d/o Paul Melanton and Marie Theriot. (Selected Acadian and Louisiana Church Records - Bodin vol. 1, p. 298). Joseph and his family settle on Bayou Vermillion. Some of their progeny stayed in the vicinity of Lafayette, others migrated into Vermillion Parish. (Robert C. West in "An Atlas of Louisiana Surnames of French and Spanish Origin") Enfants: Elise, b. 24 Dec., 1778; Lucie, bt at 3mos. 23 April 1780; Agricole, bn. ca. 1780?1781; Anastasie, b. 1785; Celestin, vers 1786; Cyrille, b. 1787; Marie?Melanie, vers 1788; Joseph-Dionisus, b. 9 Dec.1788; Onesime, vers 1790; Pantaleon, b. 1790?91; Seraphine, b. 1793; Maximilien, b. 11 Nov.,1795. Doralise (listed in succession and probably born in 1797?98 after Joseph died) Il este decede a Donaldsonville, (error, he died in St. Martinville) le juin 1797 ? (Bona Arcenault's "Histoire des Acadians" vol. 6, p. 2529?30) JOSEPH LANDRY m. Marie Melanton. In death record of Marie Melancon dated 1805 ( Hebert Southwest Louisiana Records v. 1, p. 346 [SMCH.: v.4, #415]) Also on page 346 of vol. 1 Arcenault states: JOSEPH LANDRY (Firmin & ??? THIBODEAUX of Acadie) Spouse of Marie MELANCON d. 3 June 1797 at age 47 yrs. (Hebert Southwest Louisiana Records v. 1, p. 346 [S M Ch.: v.4, #111]) I hope this helps

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query where Trigavou France is located. I now know that it IS a real place and still exists. I was very surprised that it is not on a very large map of France that I have, so it must be very small. It is where one of my Boudrot ancestors lived and married. I just purchased a copy of World Place Finder, which has over 3 million places listed in it, so that will help me locate places. Don Boudreaux Lafayette, La.

Hi Don and no, I don't think so. The source for Alexandre is Source: Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Acadiennes by Stephen A. White p 930 a. (31.) That (31.) means that the children from that marriage will be in the next volumes. Therefore, it would be helpful to me and likely to the list if you could tells us where we can find the parents of Firmin listed so we can update our data base. Thank you..... Lucie -----Original Message----- From: Don2717@aol.com [mailto:Don2717@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 7:09 AM To: LucieMC@comcast.net Subject: Re: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Re: More Landry's? STEPHEN A. WHITE Don

Hi Don, Could you please post the sources for this part of the information you have shared? <<Joseph Landry m Marie-Anne Melançon was the son of Firmin Landry and Francoise Thibodeau and was his parents when they were exiled in Oxford Maryland. Firmin Landry was the son of Alexandre Landry>> Thanks very much! Lucie Lucie LeBlanc Consentino Acadian & French Canadian Ancestral Home www.acadian-home.org Am-Can Gen Soc www.acgs.org CMA 2004 - www.cma2004.com Grand-Pré - http://www.grand-pre.com/ www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html -----Original Message----- From: Don2717@aol.com [mailto:Don2717@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:41 AM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Re: More Landry's? Jo Ann: I have an Elizabeth LaBauve d/o François LaBauve and Marguerite Eloise Hebert - bn ca 1798 at St. Martinville who was married on 6 June 1809 at St. Martinville to Joseph Dionisius Landry who was the son of Joseph Landry and Marie-Anne Melançon - bn 9 December 1788 at St Martinville Joseph and Elizabeth had a daughter named Elizabeth "Lize" Landry bn May 16 !826 at Lafayette I have no more information of Elizabeth "Lize" Landry. Joseph Landry m Marie-Anne Melançon was the son of Firmin Landry and Francoise Thibodeau and was his parents when they were exiled in Oxford Maryland. Firmin Landry was the son of Alexandre Landry son of Germain Landry and Marie Melanson. - Germain was the son of René Landry, lejeune and marie Bernard. Don Landry P.S. Please send me the data you have on the descendants of Elizabeth "Lize" Landry. need the information on her spouse and his family as well. ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== The number one rule of this list is no flaming. If something is posted to the list that disturbs you, bring it to the _admin._, not the list or the person who posted. Your concerns will be addressed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jo Ann: I have an Elizabeth LaBauve d/o François LaBauve and Marguerite Eloise Hebert - bn ca 1798 at St. Martinville who was married on 6 June 1809 at St. Martinville to Joseph Dionisius Landry who was the son of Joseph Landry and Marie-Anne Melançon - bn 9 December 1788 at St Martinville Joseph and Elizabeth had a daughter named Elizabeth "Lize" Landry bn May 16 !826 at Lafayette I have no more information of Elizabeth "Lize" Landry. Joseph Landry m Marie-Anne Melançon was the son of Firmin Landry and Francoise Thibodeau and was his parents when they were exiled in Oxford Maryland. Firmin Landry was the son of Alexandre Landry son of Germain Landry and Marie Melanson. - Germain was the son of René Landry, lejeune and marie Bernard. Don Landry P.S. Please send me the data you have on the descendants of Elizabeth "Lize" Landry. need the information on her spouse and his family as well.

Hi Don, If you go to see site, it will show you were Trigavou is located and it includes maps: http://www.abritel.fr/region_locations_vacances/detail_location-564244.p hp Lucie LeBlanc Consentino Acadian & French Canadian Ancestral Home www.acadian-home.org Am-Can Gen Soc www.acgs.org CMA 2004 - www.cma2004.com Grand-Pré - http://www.grand-pre.com/ www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html -----Original Message----- From: Don Boudreaux [mailto:donboudreaux@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:43 AM To: ACADIAN-CAJUN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Trigavou, France Hi: Does anyone know where Trigavou, France is/was???? I can't find it on a map so I suspect the name was changed to something else. Stephen White shows it for Zacahrie Boudrot in his Dictionaire but I didn't find anything about it not existing anymore. Don Boudreaux Lafayette, La. ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== The number one rule of this list is no flaming. If something is posted to the list that disturbs you, bring it to the _admin._, not the list or the person who posted. Your concerns will be addressed. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237