Pat , interesting! do you have more info on the Church lock outs in Buffalo, and any repercussions?? Fran Wilcox

Thanks Fran, That was a good read...such a shame that the French Canadians lost their church over it though....perhaps the Bishop was Irish as well?? Nova Burke Ontario, Canada [email protected] wrote: sent to me by a fellow genealogy researcher in Ohio " in 1884, a Fall River newspaper reported that French Canadian Roman Catholic parishioners had locked their newly-appointed priest out of their church." http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=360 read about this story on the above URL Fran Wilcox ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== To verify the RootsWeb Mailing Lists to which you are currently subscribed, check Password Central: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Mark the box to have a list of your subscribed lists e-mailed to you. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Interesting! I have a collateral branch of Pelletiers, one of whom married a Poirier, that moved from Rimouski to Stillwater Minn, then to Fall River. A Poirier daughter married into an Alsatian Jung-Young family which had been involved in locking out several priests in Buffalo. Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Fall River MA and Church challenge sent to me by a fellow genealogy researcher in Ohio " in 1884, a Fall River newspaper reported that French Canadian Roman Catholic parishioners had locked their newly-appointed priest out of their church." http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=360 read about this story on the above URL Fran Wilcox

sent to me by a fellow genealogy researcher in Ohio " in 1884, a Fall River newspaper reported that French Canadian Roman Catholic parishioners had locked their newly-appointed priest out of their church." http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=360 read about this story on the above URL Fran Wilcox

The Twelve Days of Christmas is one Christmas Carol that has always baffled me. What in the world do leaping lords, French hens, swimming swans, and especially the partridge who won't come out of the pear tree have to do with Christmas? Today I found out. From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not permitted to practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a catechism song for young Catholics. It has two levels of meaning: the surface meaning plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious reality which the children could remember. The partridge in a pear tree was Jesus Christ. Two turtle doves were the Old and New Testaments. Three French hens stood for faith, hope and love. The four calling birds were the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke  & John. The five golden rings recalled the Torah or Law, the first five books of the Old Testament. The six geese a-laying stood for the six days of creation. Seven swans a-swimming represented the sevenfold gifts of the Holy Spirit: Prophesy, Serving, Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution, Leadership, and Mercy. The eight maids a-milking were the eight beatitudes. Nine ladies dancing were the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self Control. The ten lords a-leaping were the ten commandments. The eleven pipers piping stood for the eleven faithful disciples. The twelve drummers drumming symbolized the twelve points of belief  in  the Apostles' Creed. So there is your history for today. This knowledge was shared with me and I found it interesting and enlightening and now I know how that strange song became a Christmas Carol...so pass it on if you wish. .....Have a blessed Christmas!!!!!

The Royal House of Savoy of Italy has a long history. It was governed for a while by the Duchy of Savoy in Eastern France - see map at http://www.thecajuns.com/map1789.htm There are numerous sites online for the history - one is http://www.chivalricorders.org/royalty/gotha/savoyhis.htm Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul L Le Blanc [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Acadian Myths & Legends Margy said it would be OK if between now and Jan 6th (Kings day in LA, Little Christmas in Que etc) we could discuss all our Myths, Legends, (& repeated tall tales, false stories etc). We have done Jean Charles (Landry) and Daniel Le Blanc ancestory. I would like to do that there were two Claude Petitpas not one Someone please do House of Savoy Early Settlers (1604)were Knight Temple Acadians come overland and down Mississippi to Louisiana. (It was Quebecans from Illinoise & Ohio valley who cane before Acadians were allowed to leave colonies) We all always tell the grandchildren that our spouce's maternal grandmother was an Indian Princess Papa Noel was a Mirimachi Acadian who kept going north. We might as well start a new one!! HaHa etc Paul Le B ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== To verify the RootsWeb Mailing Lists to which you are currently subscribed, check Password Central: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Mark the box to have a list of your subscribed lists e-mailed to you. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I have two Claude's...but they are father and son: CLAUDE 'SUER de la FLEUR' m to Catherine BUGARET abt 1658. And their son, Claude Jr, m to: Marie (Possibly Micmac..Amerindian) Therese abt 1685. Paul

Hi All, In the DOBRCCR, v.5, p. 230 [ASC-7, 18] the parents of Marguerite LEBLANC are reported to be Sylvain LEBLANC & Rosalie LEBLANC. She married Jean Louis GAUTREAUX {Charles & Mare Marthe RICHARD). Would anyone be able to verify the parents and also supply who the grandparents were as well of Marguerite LEBLANC? Any help would be appreciated. I forgot to post the date.. They were married 27 October 1829. Sorry and thank Lucie for pointing that out. :-) AS

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:56:19 -0500, Andy wrote: >I am seeking the parents/grandparents of Eugenie LANDRY who married 15 Oct >1821 [ASC-2, 274; DOBR, v.4, p. 233] Simon Alin GAUTREAUX [Charles & Marie >Marthe RICHARD] Donaldsonville, Ascension Parish, La. Hi Andy, Diocese of Baton Rouge Catholic Church Records (DOBR), Vol 3, p 856, marriage of Emanuel VILLENEUVE to Eugenie LANDRY dtd 20 Aug 1810, Ascension Church Vol 2, p 203B, lists Eugenie's parents as Firmin LANDRY and Victorie BABIN, both deceased. DOBR, Vol 2, p 424, marriage of Firmin LANDRY to Victoria BABIN dtd 12 Jul 1789, Ascension Church Vol 2, p 18, lists parents as Rene LANDRY - Maria THERIOT and Sephrin BABIN - Margarita LEBLANC. Dwayne

Hi All, In the DOBRCCR, v.5, p. 230 [ASC-7, 18] the parents of Marguerite LEBLANC are reported to be Sylvain LEBLANC & Rosalie LEBLANC. She married Jean Louis GAUTREAUX {Charles & Mare Marthe RICHARD). Would anyone be able to verify the parents and also supply who the grandparents were as well of Marguerite LEBLANC? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Andy Scott

Margy said it would be OK if between now and Jan 6th (Kings day in LA, Little Christmas in Que etc) we could discuss all our Myths, Legends, (& repeated tall tales, false stories etc). We have done Jean Charles (Landry) and Daniel Le Blanc ancestory. I would like to do that there were two Claude Petitpas not one Someone please do House of Savoy Early Settlers (1604)were Knight Temple Acadians come overland and down Mississippi to Louisiana. (It was Quebecans from Illinoise & Ohio valley who cane before Acadians were allowed to leave colonies) We all always tell the grandchildren that our spouce's maternal grandmother was an Indian Princess Papa Noel was a Mirimachi Acadian who kept going north. We might as well start a new one!! HaHa etc Paul Le B

Merry Christmas All, I am seeking the parents/grandparents of Eugenie LANDRY who married 15 Oct 1821 [ASC-2, 274; DOBR, v.4, p. 233] Simon Alin GAUTREAUX [Charles & Marie Marthe RICHARD] Donaldsonville, Ascension Parish, La. Any help would be appreciated. Andy Scott

The French-Canadian Heritage DNA Project has undergone several mutations. Fortunately they have not taken 200 years! Those were the Acadian mutation, the Metis mutation (French-Canadian/Amerindian), the Cajun mutation, and the last, the French mutation. This has prompted a change in the project name to French Heritage DNA Project in order to include all our cousins and cousines of French ancestry wherever domiciled. The French-Canadian Heritage Society of California and the Southern California Genealogical Society started the project on April 27, 2005. Jacques Beaugrand of Montreal joined the team as site translator and French correspondent as well as co-administrator in early July. Jacques is also our expert in hierarchical clustering analysis. Some facts about our project in existence for almost 8 months: We currently have 108 members with 50 members coming from the Genographic project. Included in the 108 members are 24 mtDNA testees. We have averaged approximately 13 participants per month. At this rate we will have over 700 members by the end of the National Geographic's Genographic project. That website is https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html Country of origin includes 76 USA, 32 Canada, and 4 France. Of those in the USA, there are 14 CA, 9 TX, 5 NY, 4 each in FL, LA, and MI. The Canadians include 13 from Ontario and 9 from Quebec. Y Haplogroups include 3-E3b; 2-G2; 15-I; 9-J2; 42-R1b. Jacques has created a dendogram based on his hierarchical clustering analysis that can be seen at http://cerbere.ca/wconnect/wc.dll?goodies~getform~goodies~goodies~haplogroupes Differences in summations include those that have signed up for both Y and MtDNA tests as well as 10 or so that have not yet received results. Jacques and I invite all of you having French heritage to join our project as a way to honor the memory of your French ancestors. Je mes souvien! We invite you to check out our project website including results at http://home.earthlink.net/~djmill/fcdna.html http://home.earthlink.net/~djmill/fcdnaresults.html (Y DNA Results) http://home.earthlink.net/~djmill/fcmtdnaresults.html (mtDNA Results) Thanks for your time, Doug Miller [email protected] Jacques Beaugrand [email protected]

Can anyone share any Mi'kmaq winter solstice/yule/Christmas traditions or legends? or sugggest resources? Also, how was Christmas celebrated in the 1600's and 1700's by our Acadian ancestors? Heidi -----Original Message----- >From: Paul L Le Blanc <[email protected]> >Sent: Dec 16, 2005 8:56 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] Acadian Myths & Legends > >Margy said it would be OK if between now and Jan 6th (Kings day in LA, >Little Christmas in Que etc) we could discuss all our Myths, Legends, >(& repeated tall tales, false stories etc). > >We have done Jean Charles (Landry) and Daniel Le Blanc ancestory. > >I would like to do that there were two Claude Petitpas not one > >Someone please do House of Savoy > >Early Settlers (1604)were Knight Temple > >Acadians come overland and down Mississippi to Louisiana. (It was Quebecans from Illinoise & Ohio valley who cane before Acadians were allowed to leave colonies) > >We all always tell the grandchildren that our spouce's maternal grandmother was an Indian Princess > >Papa Noel was a Mirimachi Acadian who kept going north. We might as well start a new one!! HaHa > >etc > >Paul Le B > > > > > >==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== >To verify the RootsWeb Mailing Lists to which you are currently subscribed, check Password Central: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Mark the box to have a list of your subscribed lists e-mailed to you. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Once again it seems of relevance to post this message that Jean CLAUDE who married Marie SALLE was absolutely *not* a Landry no matter what one finds posted on the Internet. His surname was CLAUDE. Marie Salle's first marriage was to Martin Aucoin. Martin Aucoin married twice and his first marriage was to Barbe Minguet. Don Landry has addressed this so many times especially in an article posted on the Landry web site as well as in the April newsletter on my website with Don's permission. As for our Ancestor Daniel LeBlanc: his parents are Unknown - so someone tells you that he is the son of Rene, don't believe it. His place of origin is also unknown. Everybody wants to get back into France but getting there with erroneous information serves no purpose. When one considers all of the records that were destroyed during the time of the Deportation, we are fortunate to have the information we do and the records that did survive. For everyone who finds the incorrect data on a web site, perhaps if you sent a message to that webmaster we could finally convince them of their errors. <smile> The other thing to remember is that some people take all the information they find on the Internet and post it on their own sites - they don't know whether or not it is correct and they have sources listed. Those of us who have been doing this long enough all suffer from frustration to see these errors perpetuated on the Internet - this Marie Salle and Jean Claude has been discussed to great extent on this List - just take a look at the archived messages. Happy Holidays! Lucie LeBlanc Consentino Acadian Ancestral Home at <http://www.acadian-home.org> www.acadian-home.org American-Canadian Genealogical Society Drouin Primary Records at <http://www.acgs.org/> www.acgs.org Centre for Acadian Studies - Moncton University <http://www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html> www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html

I think the fact that we can trace our ancestors to France in itself is amazing, and considering that many people cannot even name their Grandparents or GGrandparents, we are among the lucky to have a multi-faceted history that envelopes so very many generations, cultures etc. which has brought us together to get to know each other as the extended family we are and keep growing strong. Nova Burke ......9th GGrand-daughter of both René "le jeune" Landry and Daniel LeBlanc Lucie LeBlanc Consentino <[email protected]> wrote: Once again it seems of relevance to post this message that Jean CLAUDE who married Marie SALLE was absolutely *not* a Landry no matter what one finds posted on the Internet. His surname was CLAUDE. Marie Salle's first marriage was to Martin Aucoin. Martin Aucoin married twice and his first marriage was to Barbe Minguet. Don Landry has addressed this so many times especially in an article posted on the Landry web site as well as in the April newsletter on my website with Don's permission. As for our Ancestor Daniel LeBlanc: his parents are Unknown - so someone tells you that he is the son of Rene, don't believe it. His place of origin is also unknown. Everybody wants to get back into France but getting there with erroneous information serves no purpose. When one considers all of the records that were destroyed during the time of the Deportation, we are fortunate to have the information we do and the records that did survive. For everyone who finds the incorrect data on a web site, perhaps if you sent a message to that webmaster we could finally convince them of their errors. The other thing to remember is that some people take all the information they find on the Internet and post it on their own sites - they don't know whether or not it is correct and they have sources listed. Those of us who have been doing this long enough all suffer from frustration to see these errors perpetuated on the Internet - this Marie Salle and Jean Claude has been discussed to great extent on this List - just take a look at the archived messages. Happy Holidays! Lucie LeBlanc Consentino Acadian Ancestral Home at www.acadian-home.org American-Canadian Genealogical Society Drouin Primary Records at www.acgs.org Centre for Acadian Studies - Moncton University www.umoncton.ca/etudeacadiennes/centre/cea.html ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== Please remember when writing a personal 'thank you' to only hit reply so just the person you are thanking receives it. When answering a query please hit reply all so we all might benefit. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Nova Scotia sends a Christmas Tree to Boston every year since 1917 for aide Boston supplied after an ammunition ship exploded in a Nova Scotia harbor during WW1.  You may have read about it this year when the good meaning but misguided people of Boston choose to call it a Holiday Tree instead of a Christmas Tree.  The people of Nova Scotia were incensed that the tree would be referred to as a Holiday Tree.  It is now properly called a Christmas Tree.

Ken, I don't have the Gremillion book, but Randy Decuir on the Avoyelles French Family Name Origins site [see link below] states that Jean Baptiste Bordelon was in charge of supplies for the French Navy at LeHavre [a port town on the English Channel in NW France - some Acadians were at LeHavre]. There isn't any indication that he was born in LeHavre. His son Gabriel Laurent Bordelon came to Louisiana. His son, Antoine was in charge of the Pointe Coupee Militia. http://www.thecajuns.com/pargene.htm Stanley LeBlanc http://www.thecajuns.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Roy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ACADIAN-CAJUN] The Bordelon Creole Family, in Colonial Louisiana Commentaries on some Avoyelles Families According to the book by Gremillion, the Jean Baptiste Bordelon family was the only Bordelon family at Le Herge, France? Is this true for all of France at the time? Was this name created at this time? Merci, Kenneth G. Roy Pineville, Louisiana Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero. [email protected] ==== ACADIAN-CAJUN Mailing List ==== http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.acadian-caj un This is a link to the Acadian-Cajun Message Board at RootsWeb. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Commentaries on some Avoyelles Families According to the book by Gremillion, the Jean Baptiste Bordelon family was the only Bordelon family at Le Herge, France? Is this true for all of France at the time? Was this name created at this time? Merci, Kenneth G. Roy Pineville, Louisiana Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero. [email protected]

The father of Daniel LeBlanc is unknow!!!! Almost as often as JC Landry, I run into people tying him to the (de)Blanc family. See SAW DGFA v 2 p 984 note i & English Supplement p 208 Paul Le B [email protected] wrote: >Whoa, got a confused LeBlanc cousin here. I have been reading with great interest the Jean Claude-not-Landry postings and Don's site. Good going, all. BUT, sputter, sputter, the last line of the emails (please see below) is "PS same for Rene LeBlanc as the father for Daniel" What? Yikes! What did I miss? > > >