Hi y’all, I’m trying to piece together what is known about the Newman family of SW Louisiana, and I’m running into some contradictory stuff, so I thought I’d throw it out here and see if anyone can clarify. The first generation born in Louisiana seems to be Thomas Francis Newman, b. 15 April 1800 in St. Martinsville, who died around 1847, probably in Opelousas. He was the son of William and Eleanor (Berwick) Newman of Pennsylvania. Thomas married 20 Sep 1839 to Angelique Primeaux, daughter of Joseph and Marguerite (Schexnayder) Primeaux. I have one son for them, Thomas Francis Jr., and this is where things get weird. Thomas Francis Newman Jr. m. (or at least had a child by) Celestine Fontenot, who according to one source was b. in Opelousas in October of 1830. They had a child, also named Thomas, b. in August 1847 in Opelousas, who married Anna Elizabeth Doguet, d/o Etienne and Elizabeth Anne (Tangeret) Doguet. But if the birthdate for Thomas III is correct, something else has to be wrong. Assuming Thomas Francis II was the same age as his wife Celestine, he was b. ca. 1830, which would make HIS mother (Angelique Primeaux) only 11 years old at his birth. On the other hand, if he was younger — b. after 1830 — it becomes progressively more unlikely that he was the father of the Thomas Newman who was b. in 1847. I suspect that some of these Thomas Newmans (Newmen?) are the same person, and there were multiple marriages. But I can’t find any documentation supporting this. It’s also possible some of the dates are wrong, but even if they are, it still seems to be fitting too many generations in the time span to be possible. Can anyone help? Thanks, Gordon

Many bits & pieces. There seem to be at least five five Thomas Newman families Family usually not Roman Catholic. Sort this out. Share and ask questions. Next email excerpts from St Mary Marriage book 1 1811-1829 p 20-21 Thomas Newman & Anne Mason Thomas Father william NEWMAN, William - [record has Guilermo NIUMEN] of Pitstown, Hentedon County, in Pennsylvania in Bethehem Township m. contract dated: 23 Aug. 1798 Marguerite Rebeca BARWICK of St. Landry parish of Opel. (dec. Thomas & Helena WELLES) Rev. BARRIERE, priest of the parish certifies that Charles Louis DEBLANC testifies of his (Newman) being a single man. Wits: Louis DEBLANC, John O'REILLY, Valentin DUFOREST (SM Ct.Hse.: OA-vol.18-2, #87) NEWMAN, William - 20 yrs. old, of Pilstown; Hentedon county, Pennsylvania and 4 years resides in this colony and over a year in this parish. (Edward & Marguerite GRANDIN - from Philadelphia - are Presbyterians) "Informacion de Solteria Producida" - [Marriage Investigation regarding the freedom to marry] dated: 17 July 1798 Elener Brigit BERWICK - from St. Landry parish from Opelousas (dec. Thomas - from America & Helen WALES - from Ireland) Assistant Wits: Louis CAMINO, Thomas CONARD - assistant sacristan of this church; Wits: William WILKOFF - from Opelousas, Peter O'REILLY - from here. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: Marriage Investigation: Folio D, #21) BERWICK, Eleonore Brigit - of St. Landry parish of Opelousas (dec. Thomas - of America & Helen WALES - of Ireland) "Informacion de Solteria Producida" - [Marriage Investigation regarding the freedom to marry] dated: 17 July 1798 William NEWMAN - 20 yrs. old, of Pilstown; Hentedon county, Pennsylvania and for 4 years he resides in this colony and over a year in this parish. Assistant Wits: Louis CAMINO, Thomas CONARD - assistant sacristan of this church; Wits: William WILKOFF - of Opelousas, Peter O'REILLY - from here. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: Marriage Investigation: Folio D, #21) ================== NEWMAN, Thomas (William - of New Jersey & Eleonore Briget BERWICK - of St. James on the Mississippi) b. 15 April 1800, bt. 18 July 1800 Pats: Edward NEWMAN - of Germany & Marguerite GRANDAIN - of Georgia; Mats: Thomas BERWICK - of St. Carolina & Eleonore WALES - of Ireland; Spons: Jean THIBAUDAU & Marguerite THIBAUDAU, his sister. Continuing the same Mission [Vermillion] at Nicolas ROUSSEAU. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.5, #295) . NEWMAN, Thomas (--- & Eleanor NEWMAN) m. 12 Jan. 1818 Ann MASON (Frank. Ct.Hse.: Mar.#130) . NEWMAN, Thomas F. m. 20 Sept. 1839 Angelique PRIMEAU (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar., Q-94) PRIMEAU, Angelique m. 20 Sept. 1839 Thomas F. NEWMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. Q-94) NEWMAN, John A. (Thomas & Susan NORMAND) m. 5 Dec. 1846 Eliza HUMBLE (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #384) . NEWMAN, Thomas m. 12 April 1852 Celestine FONTENOT (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #9493) FONTENOT, Celestine m. 12 April 1852 Thomas NEWMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 949 1/2) NEWMAN, Marcelline (Thomas & Celestine FONTENOT) m. 4 Oct. 1883 Octave THIBODEAUX (CP Ch.: v. 4, p. 75) NEWMAN, Joseph (Thomas & Celestine FONTENOT) m. 3 Feb. 1889 Carmelite BENOIT (Rayne Ch.: v. 1, p. 142) . GUILLORY, Elesida m. 17 March 1870 Thomas F. NEWMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 5904) NEWMAN, Thomas F. m. 17 March 1870 Elesida GUILLORY (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #5904) NEWMAN, Marcena (Thomas & Lesida GUILLORY) m. 10 Feb. 1890 Viergeline AUCOIN (Rayne Ch.: v. 1, p. 153) . Thomas the son NEWMAN, Thomas (Thomas & Celestine FONTENOT) m. 30 Aug. 1875 Anna Ella DOUGY (GC Ch.: v. 4, p. 49) DOUGY, Anna Ella (Etienne & Anna Elisa TOMPEY) m. 30 Aug. 1875 Thomas NEWMAN (GC Ch.: v. 4, p. 49) DOGUET, Amara m. 27 Aug. 1875 Thomas T. F. NEWMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #8317) NEWMAN, Thomas T. F. m. 27 Aug. 1875 Amara DOGUET (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #8317) NEWMAN, Elizabethe Anne (Thomas & Anna DOGUET) b. 8 June 1876 (Laf. Ch.: v. 7, p. 202) NEWMAN, Thomas (Thomas & Anna DOGUET) b. 10 Feb. 1878 (Rayne Ch.: v. 2, p. 7) NEWMAN, Lezida (Thomas & Anna DOGUEZ) b. 18 Nov. 1879 (Laf. Ch.: v. 8, p. 60) NEWMAN, Elizabeth (Thomas & Anna DOGUET) m. 22 Oct. 1894 Ovide ALLEMAND (Rayne Ch.: v.2, p. 113) NEWMAN, Areline (Thomas & Anna DUGUET) b. 13 July 1886 (Rayne Ch.: v. 3, p. 77) NEWMAN, Adeline (Thomas & Anna DUGUST) b. 12 Aug. 1888 (Rayne Ch.: v. 3, p. 189) NEWMAN, Alice (Thomas & Anna DOGUET) b. 24 Oct. 1892 (Rayne Ch.: v. 4, p. 165) NEWMAN, Alexandre (Thomas & Anna DOGES or DOUCET) b. 13 March 1894 (CP Ch.: v.5, p.63) NEWMAN, Anna (Thomas & Anna DOGUET) b. 31 July 1897; bt. 31 July 1897 (Rayne Ch.: v.5, p. 178) NEWMAN, Thomas m. 19 Nov. 1900 Euzea THIBODEAUX (Rayne Ch.: v.2, p. 182) THIBODEAUX, Euzea m. 19 Nov. 1900 Thomas NEWMAN (Rayne Ch.: v.2, p. 182) THIBODEAUX, Euzea m. 3 Nov. 1900 Thomas NEWMAN (Crowley Ct. Hse.: Mar. #2143) ============================== Thomas Father sibs NEWMAN, Marguerite (William - of New Jersey & Eleanor Bridget BARWIK - of Manchac) b. 27 March 1803, bt. 29 Jan. 1807 Pats: Edward NEWMAN - of Germany & Marguerite GRANDIN; Mats: Thomas BARWICK - of England & Eleanore Brigitte WALES; Spons: Luke O'BROYEN & Marguerite BARWICK - his wife. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: Folio E, p.47) NEWMAN, Margueritte (Guilhaume [William] - native from New Gersay [Jersey] & Eleonore Birgitte BARWIK [Brigitte BERWICK] - native of Manche [Manchac]) b. 27 March 1803, bt. 29 Jan. 1807 Returning from this mission at the Bay [probably Berwick Bay] - located at Guilhaume [William] NEWMAN. Pats: Edward NEWMAN - from Germany & Margueritte GRANDIN; Mats: Thomas BARWIC [BERWICK] - from England & Eleonore Birgitte WALES; Spons: Luke O'BRAYAN & Margueritte BARWICK - his spouse. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.6-A, p.18) . NEWMAN, Guillaume (Guilhaume [William] - native from New Gersay [Jersey] & Eleonore Birgitte BARWIK [Brigitte BERWICK] - native of Manche) b. 9 Oct. 1805, bt. 29 Jan. 1807 Returning from this mission at the Bay [probably Berwick Bay] - located at Guilhaume [William] NEWMAN. Pats: Edward NEWMAN - from Germany & Margueritte GRANDIN; Mats: Thomas BARWIC [BERWICK] - from England & Eleonore Birgitte WALES; Spons: Thomas Grandin NEWMAN & Anne BARWIK - spouse of Christophe O'BRAYAN. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.6-A, p.18) NEWMAN, William (William - of New Jersey & Eleanor Bridget BARWIK - of Manchac) b. 9 Oct. 1805, bt. 29 Jan. 1807 Pats: Edward NEWMAN - of Germany & Marguerite GRANDIN; Mats: Thomas BARWICK - of England & Eleanore Brigitte WALES; Spons: Thomas Grandin NEWMAN & Anne BARWICK - wife of Christophe O'BROYEN. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: Folio E, p.47) . NEWMAN, Felix (Guillaume [William] - from Gerse [New Jersey] & Eleonore BARWIK - from the Mississippi (River)) b. 7 Sept. 1808, bt. 8 Dec. 1808 at the Bay [Berwick Bay] at the home of Guillaume NEWMAN. Pats: Edouard NEWMAN - from Germany & Margueritte GRANDAIN - of America; Mats: Thomas BARWIK - of England & Helene Birgitte WALES - of Ireland; Spons: Jean MARIMAN [John MERRIMAN] & Marie BARWIK - his spouse. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: v.6-A, p.42) NEWMAN, Felix (William - of Gerse [New Jersey] & Eleonore Bridget BARWIC - of the Mississippi) b. 7 Sept. 1808, bt. 8 Dec. 1808 Pats: Edward NEWMAN - of Germany & Margaret GRANDAIN - of America; Mats: Thomas BARWIC - of England & Helen WALES - of Ireland; Spons: John MARIMAN & Mary BARWIC - his wife. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (SM Ch.: Folio E, p.106) . NEWMAN, Amande (William - of New Jersey & Eleonore Brigitte BARWICK) b. 2 July 1810, bt. 5 March 1811 Pats: Edouard NEWMAN - of Germany & Marguerite GRANDIN; Mats: Thomas BARWICK - of England & Eleonore Brigitte WALES - of Ireland; Spons: Richard SAVAN & Eleonore Brigitte WALES, wid. of Thomas BARWICK. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: v.6, #1089) ============================= NEWMAN, Guillaume (Thomas - inhabitant of St. Mary (parish) & Anne MASSON) b. 6 Oct. 1818, bt. 22 Jan. 1819 Pats: Guillaume or William NEWMAN & Eleonore BARWICK; Mats: James MASSON & Anne KARETHS; Spons: Joseph O'BRYAN & Aimee NEWMAN. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: v.7, #562) other interesting bits & pieces BERWICK, John Masson (Joseph - inhabitant of "la Baye de ce nom" [the Bay of that name - {Berwick Bay}] & Helen CUMSTOCK) b. 7 Nov. 1812, bt. 23 June 1813 Pats: Thomas BARWICK - of England & Helen Bridget WALES - of Ireland; Mats: William CUMSTOCK & Rachel ALREDGE - of North America; Spons: Thomas NEWMAN & Rachel HAMILTON. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: v.6, #1546) Not a brother cousin maybe? NEWMAN, James - a Protestant, of this parish and native of Pennsylvania (major son of Hyla & Nancy NEWMAN) m. 4 Oct. 1815 Rebecca HARRINGTON - a Protestant, native of Kentucky (minor daughter of Charles - of la petite anse & Sarah HARRINGTON) Wits: William GREIG, Louis CHEMIN, Conrad ROSSI, W. GREIG, Lipton PURCELL, Thomas HARRINGTON. Fr. Gabriel ISABEY (SM Ch.: Folio F) -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Bonnet via <[email protected]> To: acadian <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Nov 30, 2014 11:29 am Subject: [ACADIAN] Newman family of Louisiana Hi y’all, I’m trying to piece together what is known about the Newman family of SW Louisiana, and I’m running into some contradictory stuff, so I thought I’d throw it out here and see if anyone can clarify. The first generation born in Louisiana seems to be Thomas Francis Newman, b. 15 April 1800 in St. Martinsville, who died around 1847, probably in Opelousas. He was the son of William and Eleanor (Berwick) Newman of Pennsylvania. Thomas married 20 Sep 1839 to Angelique Primeaux, daughter of Joseph and Marguerite (Schexnayder) Primeaux. I have one son for them, Thomas Francis Jr., and this is where things get weird. Thomas Francis Newman Jr. m. (or at least had a child by) Celestine Fontenot, who according to one source was b. in Opelousas in October of 1830. They had a child, also named Thomas, b. in August 1847 in Opelousas, who married Anna Elizabeth Doguet, d/o Etienne and Elizabeth Anne (Tangeret) Doguet. But if the birthdate for Thomas III is correct, something else has to be wrong. Assuming Thomas Francis II was the same age as his wife Celestine, he was b. ca. 1830, which would make HIS mother (Angelique Primeaux) only 11 years old at his birth. On the other hand, if he was younger — b. after 1830 — it becomes progressively more unlikely that he was the father of the Thomas Newman who was b. in 1847. I suspect that some of these Thomas Newmans (Newmen?) are the same person, and there were multiple marriages. But I can’t find any documentation supporting this. It’s also possible some of the dates are wrong, but even if they are, it still seems to be fitting too many generations in the time span to be possible. Can anyone help? Thanks, Gordon . ------------------------------- To check our Archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ ------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message