she is an excellent researcher! I just sent it on to you knowing that you would appreciate her stuff... she is meticulous in her research . Fran On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Paul L LeBlanc via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, I thought I remembered something was wrong with the article > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Sommerville > > > > Paul, Al Trudeau forwarded your posting about the burial records now on > the FCHSM website. Thank you. > I noticed that someone then provided a link to Rushforth's 2003 Panis > article. Feel free to post the following comments: > > > That is an article I critiqued back in 2005. I also critiqued his 2006 > article about the Renards / Fox, and his 2012 book, Bonds of Alliance. He > has seen all of my comments. > > > This is one of the errors I pointed out to him back in 2005. It endures in > the 2012 book (and its 2013 paperback or electronic version) as do a number > of other serious errors, although I wrote to both publishers demonstrating > his errors. This is a good example of the kind of thing he does: > > > "In 2003, he even transformed a French minor nobleman and military captain > into a farmer at Lachine, claiming Captain Guillaume de Lorimier’s slave > [sic] “worked alongside Lorimier and his sons clearing, planting, and > harvesting” before 1708.[1] One problem (and not the only one) with this > apparent statement of fact is that the first of Lorimier’s sons had died by > the age of six before this date; and, although his second son survived to > marry in 1730, he would have been only three years old in 1708. So much for > Captain de Lorimier “clearing, planting, and harvesting” alongside his sons > and his “slave.”[2] Rushforth’s 2012 book repeats this fantasy: “By 1708 > [Lorimier acquired] an adolescent he called [sic][3] Joseph. Because Joseph > was several years older than the average Indian slave, he worked alongside > Lorimier and his sons clearing, planting, and harvesting.”[4] Rushforth > obviously paid no attention to the documentation I provided him about this > error, first, in 2005, and again in 2006." > > [1] Rushforth, Panis (2003), paragraph 56. De Lorimier's servant is never > identified as a slave, only as a Panis Indian. He married in the Catholic > Church an English woman. She was also a servant who most likely had been > taken prisoner in an Indian raid and was ransomed by the French. He does > not call her "a slave." > > [2] See the Dictionary of Canadian Biography online for Guillaume de > Lorimier de La Rivière, born about 1655, known as seigneur des Bordes > (Gâtinais, France), and a member of the “petite noblesse,” minor nobility. > > [3] Rushforth has the irritating habit of asserting that those who owned > slaves “named” them. In fact, whether a name was suggested by an owner or > someone else’s decision, including sometimes the baptized, Native Americans > received European Christian first names at Baptism and are more likely to > have been given the first name of one or both of their godparents. This is > only one of the aspects of Catholicism in New France that escapes him. > Although I explained this and several other details about the Roman > Catholic Church to him, he nevertheless persists in repeating some of his > misunderstandings in his 2012 book and adds a few new ones. > > [4] Rushforth, Bonds, 180. > > > See also my review on the FCHSM web page in which I point out details > descendants of the Chesne dit Labutte family (as well as relatives of other > French-Canadians) might find distorted and outright wrong. Neither the > author nor the publishers saw fit to correct anything when the paperback > edition was published in 2013, not even after complimenting my research and > saying that would be their intention. > > > > http://habitantheritage.org/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Suzanne_-_Bonds_of_Alliance.1474401.pdf > > > I also have a short article about the Panis and Panisse buried from Ste. > Anne de Detroit on the same page as Gail Moreau-DesHarnais's burial > transcriptions. > > > Suzanne Boivin Sommerville > > > > . > ------------------------------- > To check our Archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ > ------------------------------- > To subscribe to the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a > confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the > "Name" you would like us to call you. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

also , that she finds the "holes" in other's work LOL and doesn't miss much. so with that , there always needs to be an eye out when reading stuff . thanks for the heads up on this . you are the only one I had sent it to Fran On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Francese Wilcox <[email protected]> wrote: > > she is an excellent researcher! I just sent it on to you knowing that > you would appreciate her stuff... she is meticulous in her research . > > Fran > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Paul L LeBlanc via <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Sorry, I thought I remembered something was wrong with the article >> Paul >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Suzanne Sommerville >> >> >> >> Paul, Al Trudeau forwarded your posting about the burial records now on >> the FCHSM website. Thank you. >> I noticed that someone then provided a link to Rushforth's 2003 Panis >> article. Feel free to post the following comments: >> >> >> That is an article I critiqued back in 2005. I also critiqued his 2006 >> article about the Renards / Fox, and his 2012 book, Bonds of Alliance. He >> has seen all of my comments. >> >> >> This is one of the errors I pointed out to him back in 2005. It endures >> in the 2012 book (and its 2013 paperback or electronic version) as do a >> number of other serious errors, although I wrote to both publishers >> demonstrating his errors. This is a good example of the kind of thing he >> does: >> >> >> "In 2003, he even transformed a French minor nobleman and military >> captain into a farmer at Lachine, claiming Captain Guillaume de Lorimier’s >> slave [sic] “worked alongside Lorimier and his sons clearing, planting, and >> harvesting” before 1708.[1] One problem (and not the only one) with this >> apparent statement of fact is that the first of Lorimier’s sons had died by >> the age of six before this date; and, although his second son survived to >> marry in 1730, he would have been only three years old in 1708. So much for >> Captain de Lorimier “clearing, planting, and harvesting” alongside his sons >> and his “slave.”[2] Rushforth’s 2012 book repeats this fantasy: “By 1708 >> [Lorimier acquired] an adolescent he called [sic][3] Joseph. Because Joseph >> was several years older than the average Indian slave, he worked alongside >> Lorimier and his sons clearing, planting, and harvesting.”[4] Rushforth >> obviously paid no attention to the documentation I provided him about this >> error, first, in 2005, and again in 2006." >> >> [1] Rushforth, Panis (2003), paragraph 56. De Lorimier's servant is >> never identified as a slave, only as a Panis Indian. He married in the >> Catholic Church an English woman. She was also a servant who most likely >> had been taken prisoner in an Indian raid and was ransomed by the French. >> He does not call her "a slave." >> >> [2] See the Dictionary of Canadian Biography online for Guillaume de >> Lorimier de La Rivière, born about 1655, known as seigneur des Bordes >> (Gâtinais, France), and a member of the “petite noblesse,” minor nobility. >> >> [3] Rushforth has the irritating habit of asserting that those who owned >> slaves “named” them. In fact, whether a name was suggested by an owner or >> someone else’s decision, including sometimes the baptized, Native Americans >> received European Christian first names at Baptism and are more likely to >> have been given the first name of one or both of their godparents. This is >> only one of the aspects of Catholicism in New France that escapes him. >> Although I explained this and several other details about the Roman >> Catholic Church to him, he nevertheless persists in repeating some of his >> misunderstandings in his 2012 book and adds a few new ones. >> >> [4] Rushforth, Bonds, 180. >> >> >> See also my review on the FCHSM web page in which I point out details >> descendants of the Chesne dit Labutte family (as well as relatives of other >> French-Canadians) might find distorted and outright wrong. Neither the >> author nor the publishers saw fit to correct anything when the paperback >> edition was published in 2013, not even after complimenting my research and >> saying that would be their intention. >> >> >> >> http://habitantheritage.org/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Suzanne_-_Bonds_of_Alliance.1474401.pdf >> >> >> I also have a short article about the Panis and Panisse buried from Ste. >> Anne de Detroit on the same page as Gail Moreau-DesHarnais's burial >> transcriptions. >> >> >> Suzanne Boivin Sommerville >> >> >> >> . >> ------------------------------- >> To check our Archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ >> ------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a >> confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the >> "Name" you would like us to call you. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >