Don't shoot me. I hope I'm really out of jail. I had in my old notes that Mary West's mother was Marie Prejean dit Olivier. At the time I wrote it (from my pencil & paper days 25-30 years ago) I had seen a good reference. But alas, those were the days I wrote down no sources. But I can tell you what I was studying. I am still studying and not finding the origins of my wife's direct maternal mother: Catherine LeJeune Borne Olivier Kidder. C More comments......did everyone notice the christening records of Joseph Fruge's children in August of 1796? Not one showed the mother deceased. Surely if this were a time for christening because Mother had died; it would have shown in the records. It was a time for christening because the family moved from Rapides to be near family and finally were able to see a priest! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Bonnet<mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net> To: acadian@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Fruge, Joseph m. Marie Fruge Wow, she did have a lot of names... Marie Olivier, LeJeune, Fredger... or Anne Fisher??? Of course, not all of these may be referring to the same person -- it's hard to tell. My gut is that LeJeune is a dit name. From the Hilaire Courville and Marie Louise Courville records it's evident that Marie Olivier and Marie Fredger, at least, refer to the same person; both are Eugenie Marie West's mother's name. It's also possible that the Marie Fregir (or whatever) who married Roger West and the Marie Fruge who married Joseph Fruge were the same person; the West children were born 1783 and (baptized in)1789, and the youngest Fruge child (Angelique) was born in 1789. If Roger West died in early 1789 it's possible that she remarried to Joseph Fruge. But then, that makes it odd that on her death record, she was called "à West" -- by that time she'd have been married to Joseph Fruge for seven years, and you'd think his name would take precedence. Anyone have any ideas about this? cheers, g On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:28 PM, pleblan@aim.com<mailto:pleblan@aim.com> wrote: > Cousins > > Some interesting records > First Marie's burial as "wife" of West not Fruge. > 2nd Identified as grandmother and Maryland reference. > Any others? > > Next bunch of Robert & his different wives. Has anyone sorted them > out? > My gut says she may be the Marie Lejeune Could Fre.... be her mother's > family name? > > > Paul > ============================== > > FRUGE, Marie - (margin has Marie FREGIR "a WEST" [probably means > "married to WEST"] bur. Wednesday, 29 June 1796. Fr. Pedro de ZAMORA > (Opel. Ch.: v.1, p.29) > > > COURVILLE, Hilaire (Pierre - from Illinois & Mary WEST - from America) > b. 20 Feb. 1817, bt. 29 May 1817 Pats: Alexis COURVILLE & Barbe LOCAL > - from Canada; Mats: Roger WEST & Mary FREDGER - from Maryland; > Spons: Placide SAVOYE, represented by Leandre LANDRY & Mary BELI, > widow > of Godefroy KRIEGGER. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (Opel. Ch.: v.2, > p.104) > > WEST, Mary ("Rovert" [Robert of Roger] & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 30 Aug. > 1789 - supplied ceremony for baptism which was previously performed at > home. Spons: Antoine NEZAT & Julie BARRET [BARRE]. Fr. Pedro de > ZAMORA, Capuchin priest (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.93) > WEST, Maria - single, of this parish (Roger & Maria OLIVIER) m. 8 > Nov. > 1802 Pierre COURVILLE - single, native of "islas negras" [Illinois] > (Alexis & Isabelle FERETTE) Wits: Antoine LACASSE, Frederic MILLER, > Francois FRUGE, Dionne GREGSON. Fr. Louis BUHOT (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, > p.111) > WEST, Mary (Roger, native of Pennsylvania & Anne FISHER) bt. 29 Oct. > 1802 at age 27 yrs. Pats: Charles WEST & Anne HASALTON; Mats: > unknown; Spons: Michel PRUDHOMME & Mary SNYDER. Fr. Louis BUHOT > (Opel. > Ch.: v.1-A, p.294) > McCAULEY, Patrick - of Ireland (Henry & Catherine COMEL) m. 28 Sept. > 1801 Julie WEST - of North America (Roger & Marie CLAIM) > [Legitimated a > child "Suya"(?) - probably a girl] Wits: Murtough COLLINS, James > BOILS, John HAYES. Fr. Louis BUHOT (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.97) > WEST, Julie - of North America (Roger - living in this parish & Marie > CLAIM) m. 28 Sept. 1801 Patrick McCAULEY - [record actually has > Patricio MaKOWLY] of Ireland (Henry & Catherine COMEL) Legitimated "a > una hija de" [a daughter of] Julie WEST - Suya Wits: Murtough > COLLINS, James BOILS, John HAYES. Fr. Louis BUHOT (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, > p.97) > > > WEST, Eugenie (Rachel [Roger] & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 6 July 1783 at > age 5 > wks. Spons: Honore HARGUERETT & Julie MARCANTEL; Signers included > child's father & godfather: Roger WEST, Henry HERGEROIDER. Fr. L.M. > GRUMEAU (Opel. Ch.: Folio OA, p.44) > WEST, Eugenie (Roger & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 6 July 1783 at age 5 wks. > Spons: Henry HERGEROEDER [HARGRODER] & Julie MARCANTEL. Fr. L.M. > GRUMEAU (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.44) > > COURVILLE, Marie Louise (Pierre - of Illinois & Mary WEST - from here) > b. 15 Feb. 1813, bt. 22 Aug. 1813 Pats: Alexis COURVILLE & Izabelle > FERET; Mats: Roger WEST - of Ireland & Marie OLIVIER; Spons: Jean > Frederic MILLER & Carmelite MILER [MILLER], brother & sister. Fr. > Michel Bernard BARRIERE (Opel. Ch.: v.2, p.5) > COURVILLE, Pierre (Pierre - of Illinois & Marie WEST - from here) > b. 16 > Jan. 1815, bt. 20 May 1815 Pats: Alexis COURVILLE & Isabelle FOVEL or > FOVELE - originally from Canada; Mats: Roger WEST - of America & > Marie > OLIVIER; Spons: Jean BERJOU & Celestine WAIBLE - wife of Noel Jacques > ROY. Fr. Michel Bernard BARRIERE (Opel. Ch.: v.2, p.50) > > ============================ > WEST, Eugenie (Rachel [Roger] & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 6 July 1783 at > age 5 > wks. Spons: Honore HARGUERETT & Julie MARCANTEL; Signers included > child's father & godfather: Roger WEST, Henry HERGEROIDER. Fr. L.M. > GRUMEAU (Opel. Ch.: Folio OA, p.44) > WEST, Eugenie (Roger & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 6 July 1783 at age 5 wks. > Spons: Henry HERGEROEDER [HARGRODER] & Julie MARCANTEL. Fr. L.M. > GRUMEAU (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.44) > WEST, Louis (Creed & Marie Jeanne) bt. Thursday, 21 Oct. 1790 Spons: > Daniel CALAPHRON [probably CALLAHAN] & Catherine CALAPHREN. Fr. Pedro > de Zamora (OP Ch.: v.1-A, p.100) > WEST, Mary ("Rovert" [Robert of Roger] & Marie LEJEUNE) bt. 30 Aug. > 1789 - supplied ceremony for baptism which was previously performed at > home. Spons: Antoine NEZAT & Julie BARRET [BARRE]. Fr. Pedro de > ZAMORA, Capuchin priest (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.93) > COURVILLE, Pierre - single, native of "islas negras" [Illinois] > (Alexis > & Isabelle FERETTE [should be LOCAT]) m. 8 Nov. 1802 Marie WEST - > single, of this parish (Roger & Marie OLIVIER) Wits: Antoine LACASSE, > Frederic MILHER, Francois FRUGE, Dionne GREGSON. [Special Note: "The > initial work of solving his (Pierre COURVILLE) parentage > was...discovered that Pierre's mother was Elisabeth Louise LOCAT, not > FERRETTE as reported by Pierre on several Louisiana documents. The > problem with Mme Courville's last name is understandable. Only > shortly > before the marriage of her daughter to Alexis COURVILLE, Mme LOCAT > (Marie Josette Chevalier LOCAT dit Renaud) married Marc FERRETTI, an > Italian. Alexis and Elisabeth were married 24 Nov. 1760 at Cahokia, > Illinois. All of his life Pierre COURVILLE would have known his > grandmother by the last name of her second marriage...on Louisiana > records, she was identified by this name "FERETTI" rather than her > correct maiden name "LOCAT." Source: Carole B. KNIGHT "Pierre > Courville - Early French Canadian Settler of Louisiana" in Imperial > St. > Landry Society Review - "N'oubliez Pas" vol.2, No.1] Fr. Louis BUHOT > (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.111) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Tomlinson <ctomli@gmail.com<mailto:ctomli@gmail.com>> > To: acadian@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian@rootsweb.com> > > Here is what I reciveid from my cousin, Nancy Fruge. I have seen her > name > as Fregis, Freget, and Fruger. > > Chris > > My source for her death is Op Ch vol 1-A. [Marie Fregis "a West" > buried > Wednesday, June 29, 1796.] I don't have a birth date, but show she > was > born > in Maryland. Don't know where I got that. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To check our Archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/> > ------------------------------- > To subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN- > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. 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