In 1975, in the dioceses of the United States, marriage between 1st cousins and 1st cousins once removed would not have been celebrated without proper dispensation; and these dispensations would not have been granted except in "special circumstances" (e.g. pregnancy). The motive was to avoid, or at least minimize, the genetic disorders which are the consequence of inbreeding. In 1875, these norms would have been applied stringently, in Massachusetts and, I presume, in Louisiana. As to the question of validating a civil union between close relatives, I would think that, in 1875, that would be done only if once of the spouses was in immediate danger of death. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Paul L LeBlanc <pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian <acadian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Isidore Lejeune and Olympe Lejeune André They were 1st cousins 1 generation removed. (A 2 to 3 Dispensation) There is NO New Orleans dispensation. (Anyone at Notre Dame to check he archive for correspondence?) The priest would (probably) NOT marry them without a dispensation. ocal civil authorities, if they knew of the relationship, would not ave either. Pere Jean - how easy would it be to get a dispensation? Would it have een easier to later present the family & get the union blessed? They would have to leave the parish (county) to marry. It is a little ar (& early) but could they have gone down to Thibodaux to marry? ny other likely places for a civil marriage? Paul -----Original Message----- rom: acvachon@videotron.ca Thanks for all Paul! Here the link for Isidore and Olympe: Isidore LEJEUNE parents: Séverin LEJEUNE + Séraphine AILLET sidore LEJEUNE grandparents: Jean-Baptiste LEJEUNE + Marie-Geneviève OUARON Olympe LEJEUNE parents: Alfred LEJEUNE + Elizabeth FORET lympe LEJEUNE grandparents: Zénon LEJEUNE + Elizabeth MARTIN lympe LEJEUNE great-grandparents: Jean-Baptiste LEJEUNE + arie-Geneviève OUARON Boring that we can't find the exact date for their wedding. Best regards, ndre ----- Message d'origine ----- e: Paul L LeBlanc <pleblan@aim.com> > Interesting Looks like just a civil marriage. Was it a 2nd marriage for one or both? They are NOT in Cole & Cancienne (Iris Allain LeJeune Compiler) West Baton Parish Records 1807-1915 (courthouse records). This implies they went somewhere else to marry. How closely were they related. Could not wait for church dispensation? ================================ Louisiana Marriages, 1718-1925 about Isidore Lejeune Name: Isidore Lejeune Spouse: Olyupe Lejeune Marriage Date: 1876 Marriage Place: West Baton Rouge Isidore -----Original Message----- From: acvachon@videotron.ca Hello everyone, Did someone have the exact date for the wedding of Isidore LEJEUNE and Olympe LEJEUNE? They supposed to got married around 1877 in West Bâton Rouge. Thanks for all, Andre ------------------------------- o check our Archive ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ ------------------------------ o subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the essage. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" nrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Sorry I do not have a dispensation book for that period I was thinking about the Great Grandparents date. More likely a civil marriage. Does anyone have hunting for bear for this period & general area. It is not in my WBR marriage books but is in the ancestry online database in WBR. Who knows? > Louisiana Marriages, 1718-1925 > about Isidore Lejeune > Name: Isidore Lejeune > Spouse: Olyupe Lejeune > Marriage Date: 1876 > Marriage Place: West Baton Rouge > Isidore -----Original Message----- From: Fr John L In 1975, in the dioceses of the United States, marriage between 1st cousins and 1st cousins once removed would not have been celebrated without proper dispensation; and these dispensations would not have been granted except in "special circumstances" (e.g. pregnancy).  The motive was to avoid, or at least minimize, the genetic disorders which are the consequence of inbreeding.  In 1875, these norms would have been applied stringently, in Massachusetts and, I presume, in Louisiana.   As to the question of validating a civil union between close relatives, I would think that, in 1875, that would be done only if once of the spouses was in immediate danger of death.    Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Paul L LeBlanc André They were 1st cousins 1 generation removed. (A 2 to 3 Dispensation) There is NO New Orleans dispensation. (Anyone at Notre Dame to check the archive for correspondence?) The priest would (probably) NOT marry them without a dispensation. Local civil authorities, if they knew of the relationship, would not have either. Pere Jean - how easy would it be to get a dispensation? Would it have been easier to later present the family & get the union blessed? They would have to leave the parish (county) to marry. It is a little far (& early) but could they have gone down to Thibodaux to marry? Any other likely places for a civil marriage? Paul -----Original Message----- From: acvachon@videotron.ca Thanks for all Paul! Here the link for Isidore and Olympe: Isidore LEJEUNE parents: Séverin LEJEUNE + Séraphine AILLET Isidore LEJEUNE grandparents: Jean-Baptiste LEJEUNE + Marie-Geneviève DOUARON Olympe LEJEUNE parents: Alfred LEJEUNE + Elizabeth FORET Olympe LEJEUNE grandparents: Zénon LEJEUNE + Elizabeth MARTIN Olympe LEJEUNE great-grandparents: Jean-Baptiste LEJEUNE + Marie-Geneviève DOUARON Boring that we can't find the exact date for their wedding. Best regards, Andre ----- Message d'origine ----- De: Paul L LeBlanc <pleblan@aim.com> > Interesting > > Looks like just a civil marriage. Was it a 2nd marriage > for one or > both? > > They are NOT in Cole & Cancienne (Iris Allain LeJeune Compiler) > West > Baton Parish Records 1807-1915 (courthouse records). This > implies they > went somewhere else to marry. How closely were they related. > Could not > wait for church dispensation? > > ================================ > > Louisiana Marriages, 1718-1925 > about Isidore Lejeune > Name: Isidore Lejeune > Spouse: Olyupe Lejeune > Marriage Date: 1876 > Marriage Place: West Baton Rouge > Isidore > > -----Original Message----- > From: acvachon@videotron.ca > > Hello everyone, > > Did someone have the exact date for the wedding of Isidore > LEJEUNE and > Olympe > LEJEUNE? > They supposed to got married around 1877 in West Bâton Rouge. > > Thanks for all, > Andre