Liz You are welcome. That is why we share whatever we find as it may provide the missing pieces. What I think we need to find next is Henry in the 1860 (& 1870) census this should identify his children. Census Magic please. With three civil marriages probably not Roman Catholic, Cyprien courthouse marriage record may be a judge marriage, or a bond besides a license. This may have the info we seek. Give me the names 2nd book & a couple of the other books when I do a "Bluebonnet Run". 2 or 3 Henrys? My gut says two with three wives. I will try & dump children records & group. Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan Paul, Thanks very much for the help. I was hoping the SWLR CD or DOBR might give a quick answer for Cyprien Stemmann's parents, but your lookups were still very helpful as I have misplaced my SWLR Stemmann pages I copied a couple years ago & haven't typed all the text details into my software yet. (That'll teach me. :) ) The misspelling as "Steinman" is a good reminder for me; I may try more "bad" spellings in the censuses where I can't find people. Or I may have to just grit my teeth and search page by page. Avelina Granger (the "Vina" in 1850?) is a good mom candidate for Cyprien, but I will have to also be patient & search Avoyelles resources for confirmation. Thanks very much for the book titles; some may be out here in So. Calif. or available by interlibrary loan. Or maybe I can contact the church if it still exists. And/or get Henry C. (II)'s succession record. That should clarify things a lot. The naturalization records should give a lot more on the immigrant Henry/Heinrich Christophe (I) Stemmann. I wonder if NARA or Avoyelles Parish is the better (cheaper?) place to inquire for copies? Avoyelles Parish courthouse website does not look very researcher-friendly. Hmmm... well, couldn't hurt to e-mail. Thanks for reading all my thinking aloud--well, in print. :) I think trying to explain things (even not very clearly) helped me put some pieces together & also see where the missing bits are. My suppositions may not all be correct, so now I have to stop wanting quick Internet answers and order some records. But I think I'm on the right track. Any other research suggestions appreciated. :) A bientot, Liz in Los Angeles, via Sulphur, LA p.s. I do find it very interesting that the Austrian or German Stemmann (II) married two French or Cajun women. He must have spoken French or learned very quickly! And his son Cyprien married my great-grandma Octavie McBride, who, despite the (Irish? Scottish?) name spoke only French, so the Stemmanns were very quickly assimilated into Cajun culture--as were the McBrides, I believe. (Octavie's parents were William McBride & Melasie Hollier, and I'm fairly sure Melasie spoke only French, also.) Gordon from this list has posted a lot on the McBrides, I think.

Hey, thanks! I believe Frank is Frank Louis Stermer. from La. Deaths at the FamilySearch pilot records site: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home Name: Frank Louis Stermer Death Date: 21 Feb 1937 Death Place: , St. Landry, Louisiana Gender: Male Race (original): W Race (standardized): White Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: 1889 Birth Place: Red Cross St Landry, Louisiana Marital Status: Spouse's Name: Father's Name: Henry Stermer Mother's Name: Mary Elvinia Estellitte Film number: 2203946 Image Number: 01682 Certificate Number: 2668 Digital Folder Number: 4216045 Collection: Louisiana Deaths, 1850-1875; 1894-1954 They appear in a few censuses as Stermer, as well. 1910 census lists Henry & "Elvina" or "Elvena"? m. abt 1888. Liz ________________________________ From: JTrahanUSA <jatrahanusa@catholic.org> To: acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 10:17:55 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS by Rev. Donald J. Hebert STENNANS, Christophe of Germany (d. Henry & Petronville ARCENEAUX) Succ. 4 Dec 1897 (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Succ. #2118) SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS by Rev. Donald J. Hebert STERMAN, Frank (Henry & Elvina ESTILETTE) b. 26 Nov 1889 (P.B. Ch. V. 2, p. 95) SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA RECORDS by Rev. Donald J. Hebert STEEMEN, Edmond Christophe (Emery Christophe & Petronville ARTEMON) b. 25 Apr. 1864 (V. P. Ch.: v.1, p. 232)

Andre There were only 3 Adult JB in Southwest Louisiana before 1800. Blaise & son Blaise (see below) I missed this one in the earlier post.Jean-Baptise m Isabelle Outre (Hutre) (I believe we worked this couple before.) Jean or JB born before 1800 LEJEUNE, Jean (Blaise "el hijo" [Jr.] & Anne Adelaide QUINTEROS) bt. Friday, 31 July 1795 supplied ceremony for baptism which was previously performed at home. Spons: Joseph LEJEUNE & Marie Constance QUINTEROS. Fr. Pedro de ZAMORA (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.135) LEJEUNE, Jean Baptiste (Blaise & Marie Josephe BRO) b. 15 Dec. 1777, bt. 10 May 1778 Spons: Mathurin RICHARD & Magdelaine RAYDRE. Fr. LUIS, Cure (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.14) LEJEUNE, Jean Baptiste (Jean Baptiste & Isabelle OUTRE) bt. 2 Sept. 1781 at age 3 wks. Spons: Blaise LEJEUNE & Barbara OUTRE. Fr. L.M. GRUMEAU (Opel. Ch.: v.1-A, p.25) Which one do you want us to chase first? Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane ============================================ 1. Blaise Lejeune. Blaise married 12A vi Marie-Josephe Breau, daughter of (12) Pierre Braud and (4k) Marguerite Gautrot, on 3 Nov 1773 in Ascension Church, Donaldsonville, Ascension, LA. Marie-Josephe was born about 1745 in Pisiquit, Acadia. She died 9 Jul 1818 in Opelousas, LA. They had the following children: + 2 M i. Blaise Lejeune. Second Generation 2. Blaise Lejeune (Blaise). Blaise married Adelayde Quinteros Anne, daughter of Manuel Quintero and Marie Granger, on 1 May 1792 in Opelousas Church, Opelousas, LA. Adelayde was born 6 Oct 1772. -----Original Message----- From: pleblan@aim.com Andre Blaise is a dit for Jean-Baptiste Could this be Blaise? Maryland, ship Briticana to Texas, overland to LA & settled 1st in Avoyelles & then moves down. Paul -----Original Message----- From: André-Carl Vachon Hello everyone, I find something on Ancestry.com about a Jean-Baptiste Lejeune who's death is in 1796. Did someone have the completed info? Wife, exact date? Best regards, Andre

Paul, Thanks very much for the help. I was hoping the SWLR CD or DOBR might give a quick answer for Cyprien Stemmann's parents, but your lookups were still very helpful as I have misplaced my SWLR Stemmann pages I copied a couple years ago & haven't typed all the text details into my software yet. (That'll teach me. :) ) The misspelling as "Steinman" is a good reminder for me; I may try more "bad" spellings in the censuses where I can't find people. Or I may have to just grit my teeth and search page by page. Avelina Granger (the "Vina" in 1850?) is a good mom candidate for Cyprien, but I will have to also be patient & search Avoyelles resources for confirmation. Thanks very much for the book titles; some may be out here in So. Calif. or available by interlibrary loan. Or maybe I can contact the church if it still exists. And/or get Henry C. (II)'s succession record. That should clarify things a lot. The naturalization records should give a lot more on the immigrant Henry/Heinrich Christophe (I) Stemmann. I wonder if NARA or Avoyelles Parish is the better (cheaper?) place to inquire for copies? Avoyelles Parish courthouse website does not look very researcher-friendly. Hmmm... well, couldn't hurt to e-mail. Thanks for reading all my thinking aloud--well, in print. :) I think trying to explain things (even not very clearly) helped me put some pieces together & also see where the missing bits are. My suppositions may not all be correct, so now I have to stop wanting quick Internet answers and order some records. But I think I'm on the right track. Any other research suggestions appreciated. :) A bientot, Liz in Los Angeles, via Sulphur, LA p.s. I do find it very interesting that the Austrian or German Stemmann (II) married two French or Cajun women. He must have spoken French or learned very quickly! And his son Cyprien married my great-grandma Octavie McBride, who, despite the (Irish? Scottish?) name spoke only French, so the Stemmanns were very quickly assimilated into Cajun culture--as were the McBrides, I believe. (Octavie's parents were William McBride & Melasie Hollier, and I'm fairly sure Melasie spoke only French, also.) Gordon from this list has posted a lot on the McBrides, I think. ________________________________ From: "pleblan@aim.com" <pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Henri C in 1850 census age 33, 1817 (Self) reported name of Steinman = IN (I guess we have another (earlier) spelling) (I wonder if census taker knew of German coast Stein family) Born in Germany!!!! Son Henry 3 months old. Henry (SR) died by 1866 tax roll Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane PS tomorrow I will try Steinman = IN ======================================= U.S. IRS Tax Assessment Lists, 1862-1918 about Wdo H Stemmen Name: Wdo H Stemmen State: Louisiana Tax Year: 1866 Roll Title: District 2; Annual Lists; 1866 NARA Series: M769 NARA Roll: 9 ====================================== 1850 United States Federal Census about Henry C Steinman Name: Henry C Steinman [Henry C. Stemman] [Henry C Stemman] [Henry C Stemmann] [Henry C Stemmans] Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 [Abt 1817] Birth Place: Germany Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Avoyelles, Louisiana Family Number: 681 Household Members: Name Age Henry C Steinman 23 Nina Steinman 17 Henry Steinman 0 -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan <hallroots@sbcglobal.net> To: Acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested.

Andre Blaise is a dit for Jean-Baptiste Could this be Blaise? Maryland, ship Briticana to Texas, overland to LA & settled 1st in Avoloyees & then moves down. Paul -----Original Message----- From: André-Carl Vachon Hello everyone, I find something on Ancestry.com about a Jean-Baptiste Lejeune who's death is in 1796. Did someone have the completed info? Wife, exact date? Best regards, Andre

Hello everyone, I find something on Ancestry.com about a Jean-Baptiste Lejeune who's death is in 1796. Did someone have the completed info? Wife, exact date? Best regards, Andre

At one time, in a Cajun discuss group, met a Jerry McBride....i haven't been able to find them now:( Alice Chauvin Bradshaw

Can I assume correctly that Charles had sibs: JB, Benoni, Anne Marie, Rosalie & Collette? C ----- Original Message ----- From: KATheriot@aol.com<mailto:KATheriot@aol.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian@rootsweb.com> Cc: cvanduzee@msn.com<mailto:cvanduzee@msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Quebec Heberts to Louisiana? Cecil & All, The Charles HEBERT of Canada [sic, he was probably born in Baltimore, Maryland], son of Francois & Marie BLAIR [sic, should be BLANC or LE BLANC], was of Acadian parents. Francois was son of Francois (41) HEBERT & Marie Josephe MELANSON. Marie Josephe was daughter of Jean (41) LE BLANC & Marie Josephe THERIOT. The family can be found on p. 116 of Gregory A. Wood, A GUIDE TO THE ACADIANS IN MARYLAND IN THE EIGHTEENTH AND NINETEENTH CENTURIES (Baltimore: Gateway, 1995). Karen (Theriot Reader) ------------------------------- To check our Archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/> ------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you again. Had not seen tax list. Steinman-- yes, the Stemman/n/s etc. family (and the Leger/e family) have really made me think about how handwriting looks and can be mistranscribed--and still I can't find my relatives in all the censuses even when they stay in one place! I've discovered "m" can be mistaken for "in" and "mm" for lots of things. :) And "Wdo" for widow is a new one for me!!! I have seen "Vve" for "veuve," sometimes mistranscribed as "Vue" -- and "Mrs." and also women under the husband's first name w/o "Mrs." ________________________________ From: "pleblan@aim.com" <pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Henri C in 1850 census age 33, 1817 (Self) reported name of Steinman = IN (I guess we have another (earlier) spelling) (I wonder if census taker knew of German coast Stein family) Born in Germany!!!! Son Henry 3 months old. Henry (SR) died by 1866 tax roll Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane PS tomorrow I will try Steinman = IN ======================================= U.S. IRS Tax Assessment Lists, 1862-1918 about Wdo H Stemmen Name: Wdo H Stemmen State: Louisiana Tax Year: 1866 Roll Title: District 2; Annual Lists; 1866 NARA Series: M769 NARA Roll: 9 ====================================== 1850 United States Federal Census about Henry C Steinman Name: Henry C Steinman [Henry C. Stemman] [Henry C Stemman] [Henry C Stemmann] [Henry C Stemmans] Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 [Abt 1817] Birth Place: Germany Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Avoyelles, Louisiana Family Number: 681 Household Members: Name Age Henry C Steinman 23 Nina Steinman 17 Henry Steinman 0

Note: this is a _long_ post. Thank you anyone reading for your patience. :) Going backwards in census for Cyprien Stemman/s, etc. & family (1880 in Paul's previous post) In 1870 US census: Cyprien & brother or half-brother? Henry STUMAN [sic] are listed in Vermilionville p.o. (Lafayette), Lafayette Parish, LA, ages 17 (Cyprien) & 19 (Henry). Both are listed as M, W, field hands b. in LA, working for Belzire RIU? or RICE? Year: 1870; Census Place: , Lafayette, Louisiana; Roll M593_516; Page: 311B; Image: 141; Family History Library Film: 552015. (image #116 in Lafayette Parish on Ancestry) Can't find either in 1860 so far. 1850 US Federal Census about Henry C. Steinman [sic] - census reads Stemman Henry C. Stemman age 23 [sic- I think it reads 33] b. abt 1827 [sic--I think it should be 1817] birthplace: Germany Male Home: Avoyelles [Parish], LA family # 681 Household: Henry C. Stemman, age [33], M, sadler, b. Germany Nina [sic] -- I think this is "Vina," prob. Avelina Granger? age 17, F, b. La. Henry, age 3/12 (3 months--so born abt. July 1850?), b. La. Year: 1850; Census Place: , Avoyelles, Louisiana; Roll M432_229; Page: 147B; Image: 299. (Ancestry: image #86 in Avoyelles Parish) Hebert's SWLR v. 5, p. 530 has "STEMMANN, Hinrisle [sic] Christophe m. 25 June 1849 Avelina GRANGER" (Opel. Ct. Hse. mar. #666). SWLR v. 7, p. 434 has: "STEMMAM, Henry Christophe (d. [deceased] Henry & Marie CROUZE) m. 21 Jan. 1863 Petronnille ARCENAUX, wid. of John JOHNSON" (St. John Church, Lafayette). Same page gives a succession for a "STEMMENS, Henry C." dated 8 Dec. 1865, Opelousas Courthouse. So, I now have 2 or 3 Henry Stemmans with 3 different wives: Marie Crouze (Cruz? Crouse? Krause?), Avelina Granger, and Petronille Arcenaux, and two possible death/succession dates or at least general timeframes. Ancestry's World Archives Project is working on indexing "Selected U.S. Naturalizations," where I found this in the microfilmed card index to nats. in La. (currently unindexed, but in alpha order): "Henrich Christoph STEMANN" b. May 1816, AUSTRIA arr. in U.S. 19 Oct 1846, New Orleans, LA [can't find in passenger lists - wrong date?] naturalized 22 Nov 1848, Marksville, Avoyelles Parish, LA, 13th District Court See: Record of Minutes, Bk. M., p. 191, 13th District Court, Marksville, Avoyelles, LA, “F/O.” Nov. 22, 1848. (Don't know what f/o means) And, a distant cousin says they have a passport of "Heinrick Christoph Stemmann," b.1827 Buxtehude, Germany, occupation sadler. (but they have not worked all this out yet either) SO--- at first I was trying to make Cyprien's brother Henry fit the spouse of Petronille Arceneaux, but he'd only be 12 or 13 at marriage, and if he had kids before 1870, why is he alone in the 1870 census, working as a field hand with Cyprien? This was making my head explode. :) So now my hypothesis is that: There is a German or Austrian Heinrich Christoph Stemmann I who married Marie Crouze back in the old country. Their son Heinrich Christoph II (HC II) b. 1817 or 1827 in Buxtehude, Germany? or Austria? HC II immigrated c. 1846 and was naturalized in Marksville 1848 HC II then married Avelina Granger (Helena or Celina, acc. to one online tree) in Opelousas in 1849; they have: Henry (HC III?) abt 1850 & Cyprien abt 1851/2? both in Avoyelles Parish? (there in 1850 census) Does Avelina die between 1851 & 1863? HC I dies by Jan. 1863, in Germany or Austria? HC II m. Petronille Arcenaux/eaux 21 Jan. 1863 in Lafayette; they have: (possibly) Edmund? according to an online tree, in 1864? and Joseph, b. Dec. 1865 (lived to 1931, ancestor of most of the Stemmann/Stemmans family in Lafayette area) HC II dies 8 Dec. 1865 Petronille has child Cyrus, b. (or baptized? 9 Dec. 1866, Lafayette -- note date is 1 yr after father's succession? -- SWLR v. 8 p. 476. "Henri Stemman" listed as father.) Do Cyrus & Edmund die before 1870 census? Or can I just not find them and Petronille? I do find her later in 1900 & 1910 censuses. HC III and Cyprien are working together as field hands in Lafayette in 1870 census. Cyprien marries my great-grandmother Marie Octavie McBride in 1876 in Opelousas. They have 4 children (see previous posts), only one of whom (Philomene who m. Romain Weber) has children. (Octavie later marries Constant Legere & has 5 more children, including my grandmother Elia Legere.) HC III dies before 1880? Can't find him in that census. Cyprien d. 1887, Carencro area Petronille d. after 1910 census. ________________________________ From: "pleblan@aim.com" <pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 10:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Them in 1880 census Cyprien (self?) reported age 26 (born 1854) born in LA, mother born in LA, Father's birthplace blank? Octavie 21, 1859, born in LA, mother born in LA, Father's birthplace blank? Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane =================================== 1880 United States Federal Census about Cyprien Stemmens Name: Cyprien Stemmens Home in 1880: 3rd Ward, Saint Landry, Louisiana Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Birthplace: Louisiana Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Octavie Mother's birthplace: Louisiana Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Works In Sawmill Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Cyprien Stemmens 26 Octavie Stemmens 21 Joseph H. Stemmens 2 Ulysse Stemmens 1 Clotilde Mcbride 12

Henri C in 1850 census age 33, 1817 (Self) reported name of Steinman = IN (I guess we have another (earlier) spelling) (I wonder if census taker knew of German coast Stein family) Born in Germany!!!! Son Henry 3 months old. Henry (SR) died by 1866 tax roll Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane PS tomorrow I will try Steinman = IN ======================================= U.S. IRS Tax Assessment Lists, 1862-1918 about Wdo H Stemmen Name: Wdo H Stemmen State: Louisiana Tax Year: 1866 Roll Title: District 2; Annual Lists; 1866 NARA Series: M769 NARA Roll: 9 ====================================== 1850 United States Federal Census about Henry C Steinman Name: Henry C Steinman [Henry C. Stemman] [Henry C Stemman] [Henry C Stemmann] [Henry C Stemmans] Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 [Abt 1817] Birth Place: Germany Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Avoyelles, Louisiana Family Number: 681 Household Members: Name Age Henry C Steinman 23 Nina Steinman 17 Henry Steinman 0 -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan <hallroots@sbcglobal.net> To: Acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested. An additional question, if you'll bear with me: Where would I find Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records for Cyprien's possible birth or baptism record (if his family was Catholic)? DOBR volumes perhaps? Various spellings I've found are: STEMMANN, STEMMANS, STEMANN, STEMMONS, STEMMAN, STANNMAN, STEMAN, STAYMAN, STEIMAN Thanks so much for any help. :) Liz Hall Morgan Los Angeles, CA (Sulphur, LA native) ------------------------------- To check our Archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ ------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Them in 1880 census Cyprien (self?) reported age 26 (born 1854) born in LA, mother born in LA, Father's birthplace blank? Octavie 21, 1859, born in LA, mother born in LA, Father's birthplace blank? Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane =================================== 1880 United States Federal Census about Cyprien Stemmens Name: Cyprien Stemmens Home in 1880: 3rd Ward, Saint Landry, Louisiana Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Birthplace: Louisiana Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Octavie Mother's birthplace: Louisiana Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Works In Sawmill Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Cyprien Stemmens 26 Octavie Stemmens 21 Joseph H. Stemmens 2 Ulysse Stemmens 1 Clotilde Mcbride 12

Something to get us started. I could only find courthouse marriage. I wonder if we need to check 1876 SWLA paper book for bad spellings? I will try census next & then see what I can find on Henri Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane ================================================== If this was him 10 years old when married (I wonder if should be 1856?) STEMMAN, Cyrus (Henri & Petronille ARCENEAUX) b. 9 Dec. 1866 (Laf. Ch.: v. 6, # 89) McBRIDE, Marie Octavie (William & Melasie HOLLIER) b. 31 Jan 1859 (Opel. Ch.: v. 6, p. 103) ================ 1st marriage McBRIDE, Octavie m. 19 Aug. 1876 Cyprien STEMMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #8769) STEMMAN, Cyprien m. 19 Aug. 1876 Octavie McBRIDE (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 8769) STAMEN, Joseph Henri (Cyprien & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 4 Oct. 1877 (PB Ch.: v. 1, p. 50 & Leon. Ch.: v. 1, p. 29) STANEMAN, Joseph Ulysse (Cyprien & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 1 March 1879 (PB Ch.: v. 1, p. 65 & Leon. Ch.: v. 1, p. 37) STEMMANS, Ludovie (Cyprien & Marie Octavie McBRIDE) b. 12 March 1885 (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 42) ======================= 2nd marriage McBRIDE, Octavie m. 20 Feb. 1889 Constan LEGER (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #4319) LEGER, Constan m. 20 Feb. 1889 Octavie McBRIDE (Laf. Ct. Hse. Mar. #4319) McBRIDE, Octavie (William & Melanie HOLLIER) m. 23 Feb. 1889 Constant LEGER (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 74) LEGER, Constant (Hypolite & Marcellite LEBART) m. 23 Feb. 1889 Octavie McBRIDE (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 74) LEGER, Elia (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 18 Sept. 1889 (Laf. Ch.: v. 9, p. 140) LEGER, Mary Evia (Constant & Octavie MCBRIDE) b. 28 Sept. 1891 (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 171) LEGER, Marie Anita (Constant & Octavie MCBRIDE) b. 10 Oct. 1893 (Carencro Ch.: v. 3, p. 59) LEGER, Fabien (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 1 Dec. 1895 (Carencro Ch.: v.3, p. 175) LEGER, Claude (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 29 July 1898 (Carencro Ch.: v.3, p.343) -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested. An additional question, if you'll bear with me: Where would I find Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records for Cyprien's possible birth or baptism record (if his family was Catholic)? DOBR volumes perhaps? Various spellings I've found are: STEMMANN, STEMMANS, STEMANN, STEMMONS, STEMMAN, STANNMAN, STEMAN, STAYMAN, STEIMAN Thanks so much for any help. :) Liz Hall Morgan Los Angeles, CA (Sulphur, LA native)

snip DOBR volumes perhaps? snip no Stem... or Stam... between 1848 & 1857 ============================== snip Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records snip At Bluebonnet in Baton Rouge Early baptism records, St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church ... Avoyelles Parish. Mansura, La. : The Church, c1980- 976.371 E12d Book St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church (Mansura, La.) Book of marriages, 1806-1830, Saint Paul Catholic Church, Mansura, Louisiana and Notre Dame Du Mont Carmel Sur La Rivier Rouge / Mansura, La. : The Church, [1982?] 976.371 S149b Book Ducote, Alberta Rousseau. Early baptism records St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church, 1796 - 1824. Avoyelles Parish / Mansura, La. : St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church, c1980. 929.376 D841e Gremillion, William Nelson, Some early families of Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana : genealogical studies of the early generations of 36 families / Eunice, La. (P.O. Box 31, Eunice, La. 70535) : Hebert Publications, c1980- 929.376 G825s Book La Cour, Jeraldine Dufour, Brides book of Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana / Bunkie, La. : LaCour, 1979- 929.376 L145b Book Moreau, Harry James. Avoyelles connections. Baton Rouge, La. : H.J. Moreau, 2007, c2006. 976.371 M837a Book. Gremillion, William Nelson, Commentaries on some Avoyelles families : Bordelon, Coco, Ducote, Edwards, Gauthier, Gremillion, Joffrion, Lemoine, Normand, Rabalais / San Antonio, Tex. (4234 Bloomdale Drive, San Antonio 78218) : W.N. Gremillion, c1982. 976.371 G825c3 These looked interesting. When we worked Blase (Jean-Baptiste) LeJeune a few years ago the 1st 3 books were not on the shelf. ======================= I will check SWLA next email Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested. An additional question, if you'll bear with me: Where would I find Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records for Cyprien's possible birth or baptism record (if his family was Catholic)? DOBR volumes perhaps? Various spellings I've found are: STEMMANN, STEMMANS, STEMANN, STEMMONS, STEMMAN, STANNMAN, STEMAN, STAYMAN, STEIMAN Thanks so much for any help. :) Liz Hall Morgan Los Angeles, CA (Sulphur, LA native)

Cecil & All, The Charles HEBERT of Canada [sic, he was probably born in Baltimore, Maryland], son of Francois & Marie BLAIR [sic, should be BLANC or LE BLANC], was of Acadian parents. Francois was son of Francois (41) HEBERT & Marie Josephe MELANSON. Marie Josephe was daughter of Jean (41) LE BLANC & Marie Josephe THERIOT. The family can be found on p. 116 of Gregory A. Wood, A GUIDE TO THE ACADIANS IN MARYLAND IN THE EIGHTEENTH AND NINETEENTH CENTURIES (Baltimore: Gateway, 1995). Karen (Theriot Reader)

Thanks for all the info. Yes, Elia Leger(e) below was my grandmother & those children are correct for Marie Octavie McBride's two marriages, plus daughter Philomene Stemman(s). Great find on Joseph Ulysses' birth. Thanks! I have some on Henrich/Heinrich/Henry I'll send & explain (if I can) the confusion. ________________________________ From: "pleblan@aim.com" <pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 9:52:48 PM Subject: Re: [ACADIAN] Stemmann, Cyprien m. 1876 Opelousas Marie Octavie McBride Something to get us started. I could only find courthouse marriage. I wonder if we need to check 1876 SWLA paper book for bad spellings? I will try census next & then see what I can find on Henri Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane ================================================== If this was him 10 years old when married (I wonder if should be 1856?) STEMMAN, Cyrus (Henri & Petronille ARCENEAUX) b. 9 Dec. 1866 (Laf. Ch.: v. 6, # 89) McBRIDE, Marie Octavie (William & Melasie HOLLIER) b. 31 Jan 1859 (Opel. Ch.: v. 6, p. 103) ================ 1st marriage McBRIDE, Octavie m. 19 Aug. 1876 Cyprien STEMMAN (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #8769) STEMMAN, Cyprien m. 19 Aug. 1876 Octavie McBRIDE (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 8769) STAMEN, Joseph Henri (Cyprien & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 4 Oct. 1877 (PB Ch.: v. 1, p. 50 & Leon. Ch.: v. 1, p. 29) STANEMAN, Joseph Ulysse (Cyprien & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 1 March 1879 (PB Ch.: v. 1, p. 65 & Leon. Ch.: v. 1, p. 37) STEMMANS, Ludovie (Cyprien & Marie Octavie McBRIDE) b. 12 March 1885 (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 42) ======================= 2nd marriage McBRIDE, Octavie m. 20 Feb. 1889 Constan LEGER (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #4319) LEGER, Constan m. 20 Feb. 1889 Octavie McBRIDE (Laf. Ct. Hse. Mar. #4319) McBRIDE, Octavie (William & Melanie HOLLIER) m. 23 Feb. 1889 Constant LEGER (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 74) LEGER, Constant (Hypolite & Marcellite LEBART) m. 23 Feb. 1889 Octavie McBRIDE (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 74) LEGER, Elia (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 18 Sept. 1889 (Laf. Ch.: v. 9, p. 140) LEGER, Mary Evia (Constant & Octavie MCBRIDE) b. 28 Sept. 1891 (Carencro Ch.: v. 2, p. 171) LEGER, Marie Anita (Constant & Octavie MCBRIDE) b. 10 Oct. 1893 (Carencro Ch.: v. 3, p. 59) LEGER, Fabien (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 1 Dec. 1895 (Carencro Ch.: v.3, p. 175) LEGER, Claude (Constant & Octavie McBRIDE) b. 29 July 1898 (Carencro Ch.: v.3, p.343) -----Original Message----- From: Liz Hall Morgan Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested. An additional question, if you'll bear with me: Where would I find Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records for Cyprien's possible birth or baptism record (if his family was Catholic)? DOBR volumes perhaps? Various spellings I've found are: STEMMANN, STEMMANS, STEMANN, STEMMONS, STEMMAN, STANNMAN, STEMAN, STAYMAN, STEIMAN Thanks so much for any help. :) Liz Hall Morgan Los Angeles, CA (Sulphur, LA native) ------------------------------- To check our Archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ ------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi cousins, Cyprien Stemmann/Stemann/Stemmans, etc. was my great-grandma Marie Octavie "Tavie" McBride's first husband. I am having trouble with his parentage. He died at age 35, according to death or burial record of 1887 from Carencro in SWLR, so he was b. abt. 1852, probably in Avoyelles Parish, where his family is in the census in 1850. His father and brother (or half-brother?) are both named Henrich/Heinrich/Henry Christoph/e Stemann (or variant spelling), so it's a bit confusing as to who's who. Can someone please check Cyprien's "SW La. Records" marriage record to see if his parents are listed? Or possibly the SWLR CD for any paternal grandparents listed for his children (below)? Joseph Henri b. 4 Oct. 1877, recorded at Port Barre church Joseph Ulysse b. abt 1879? Port Barre? (I couldn't find his birth in SWLR books; his death is there.) Philomene b. 2 Mar 1881, Port Barre or Carencro area? (I couldn't find her birth in SWLR books; date is from her headstone at St. Peter's in Carencro) Ludovic b. 12 Mar 1885, recorded at Carencro church I have more info on the children if anyone's interested. An additional question, if you'll bear with me: Where would I find Avoyelles Parish (Marksville area, probably) church records for Cyprien's possible birth or baptism record (if his family was Catholic)? DOBR volumes perhaps? Various spellings I've found are: STEMMANN, STEMMANS, STEMANN, STEMMONS, STEMMAN, STANNMAN, STEMAN, STAYMAN, STEIMAN Thanks so much for any help. :) Liz Hall Morgan Los Angeles, CA (Sulphur, LA native)

Thanks Glenda & Cecil Cecil He MAY be the son of Francois (H)ebert & Marie (Marguerite) LeBlanc NOT Blair, who were in Baltimore in 1763. Their son Charles was born soon after the 1763 Acadians in Maryland list..Charles is 4 in 1767 at St-Gabriel. Wood p 116 under Ebert, Francois Marguerite is the daughter of Amant (Paul) Gautrot & Marie Landsy in Newtown MD who settle 1st in St James & moves up to Ascension. Wood pg 122-123 Gautrot Amant Questions / problems? At his marriage Charles would be 24 at marriage rather than our expected 20. Marguerite was right on expected 18. Could him being the eldest (surviving) child delay his marriage? Why was the marriage in St-Martinville. Could Amant have move the family to SW LA after 1770? I would have expected them to marry at Ascension Church. Could there have not had a priest at the time and the St-Martinville priest was on a mission (Circut Ride) or on his way to New Orleans. If so the marriage should be on a folio (loose sheet). Why was it not also listed in Ascension registers? I could not find Charles or his parents in the Memorial at St-Martinville database. Terry check with James if he has a copy of the original register page? Are the originals still at the church? How is the new Priest working out, because he is one of us? Any ideas, comments, suggestion welcome. Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane -----Original Message----- From: Cecil Paul I have a don't know: Charles HEBERT of Canada (Francois & Marie Blair- all of Canada, now of Iberville) m.28 Dec 1787 (SM Ch 4/10) SWLR CD Marguerite GAUTHREAUX (Amand & Marie Landry of Canada) C ----- Original Message ----- From: pleblan@aim.com Does anyone have any non-Acadian Heberts who came to Louisiana during the colonial period? Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane

Paul I have a don't know: Charles HEBERT of Canada (Francois & Marie Blair- all of Canada, now of Iberville) m.28 Dec 1787 (SM Ch 4/10) SWLR CD Marguerite GAUTHREAUX (Amand & Marie Landry of Canada) C ----- Original Message ----- From: pleblan@aim.com<mailto:pleblan@aim.com> To: acadian@rootsweb.com<mailto:acadian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: [ACADIAN] Quebec Heberts to Louisiana? Does anyone have any non-Acadian Heberts who came to Louisiana during the colonial period? Paul Le B l'Ascension Louisiane ------------------------------- To check our Archive http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/> ------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the "Name" you would like us to call you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not that I know of. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pleblan@aim.com> To: <acadian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: [ACADIAN] Quebec Heberts to Louisiana? > > Does anyone have any non-Acadian Heberts who came to Louisiana during the > colonial period? > > > Paul Le B > l'Ascension > Louisiane > > > > ------------------------------- > To check our Archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/acadian/ > ------------------------------- > To subscribe to the list, please send an email to > ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. You will receive a > confirmation e-mail to try & stop "machine" enrollment spam. Give it the > "Name" you would like us to call you. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ACADIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message