That's a heartwarming story, Margaret. Thanks for sharing. Donna Holland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Irregular Marriage From a genealogical standpoint, yes, you could say it was sad. However, the legally-fatherless baby was raised (along with a cousin who was the illegitimate daughter of his mother's sister) by his maternal grandparents who were affectionate "parents" to the children. They were particularly proud of the boy, who earned an engineering degree at university, inherited a prosperous horse-breeding farm from a childless uncle, and became a civic politician in later life. This was, by the way, in Canada, although the boy's grandparents and mother were Scots-born. Not the same detail available in rural southern Ontario records in the 19th century as in Scottish kirk session records. His carefree mother was a performer in the music halls, and many of her descendants are active in the theatre and music worlds today, while others are engineers, lawyers, or politicians. We will never know which influences came from the unknown father, but the talents are there as personal evidence which can be followed even if the names and dates are lost. Margaret Gibbs On 31/07/2013 2:27 PM, Goldie & Lido Doratti wrote: > In a case like that, I'd be wanting to see the Kirk Session minutes to > read if there was a comment there. But if there is nothing, I'd say > you were at a dead stop. Just a sad ending to that story, Goldie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Irregular Marriage > > I have one branch of my family tree forever missing because one > great-great-grandmother had no idea who was the father of her son. My > great-grandfather used his mother's surname, Galbraith, confusing my > research until I found his > 1860 birth registration as "illegitimate", and someone had usefully > filled in the fact that he had been registered by his mother and the > line for the father's name said "unknown". > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > > > On 30/07/2013 1:41 PM, Janet wrote: >> The whole point about a certificate is that it leads the genealogist >> to what might be the truth. We know mistakes occur on certificates >> because of the quality of information. >> Without a birth certificate, we wouldnt know the parents and in >> Scotland whether or not they were married. If the child knows the >> name of the father with certainty, and that there is no doubt about >> paternity it would still be possible to find his genealogy but if >> there is no documented event there is no proof, without DNA. >> The full blood relationship includes both parents. Without a father >> there's only one set of grand parents. >> Not all fathers' names appear on a certificate from the date of >> birth. I found in England & Wales now that a father's name can go on >> a certificate at a later date by formal documented request. I dont >> see that genealogy without both parents' names has the same purpose >> because each and every one of us has >> 2 parents. >> >> >> Janet >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "park louise" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Irregular Marriage >> >> >>> It certainly hasn't been used on Scottish birth certificates >>> recently >>> - it's certainly not on my son's! >>> >>> Genealogy might even become easier with fewer marriages - no need to >>> find the marriage and (hopefully) both parents' original names on >>> the birth certificate! >>> >>> Louise >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message