Thanks Gavin. As you say "The layout of his web-page is not well explained" Makes sense though especially as his study was/is entitled 'Farms on Parish Border in Banff'- A touch of a Senior moment there. Apologies to Jo-Anne for misleading her. The abdnet reference is therefore correct. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:43:59 To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter On 03/02/2014 10:35, [email protected] wrote: > .... However the late Stuart Mitchell on deltanz 'Farms on Parish > Border in Banff - Coastal' places it east of the Tore of Troup. If you check the website: http://gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie .... you will see that the late Stuart actually does not claim that Haddoleys was "east of the Tore of Troup". The layout of his web-page is not well explained, but what he is clearly doing is listing, in 2 columns, pairs of places on either side of the boundary. For each segment of the boundary his heading ("GAMRIE KING EDWARD" or "BANFF ALVAH") indicates the two parishes on either side of the boundary, and below that he gives, on each line, one place in each parish, on either side of the boundary. So the heading "GAMRIE ABERDOUR (E side of Tore of Troup) means that he is seeking to situate the boundary between "GAMRIE" (on the one side, and "ABERDOUR (E of Tore of Troup)" on the other. The Tore of Troup is such an obvious feature in the landscape that it makes for a very clear boundary both between the parishes of Gamrie and Aberdour and between the counties of Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. If you look at the area on the 1st Ed of the OS 1-inch map (of course, it straddles sheets 96 and 97!)* you will find the parish and county boundary clearly marked, following the line of the Tore, with Glens of Troup (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Kinbeam (in Aberdour, on the E side, and Haddoleys (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Glenhouses and Chapelden (in Gamrie, on the W side). Gavin Bell * on the NLS website: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490623 http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490626 > Have a look at the location on the OS (Ordnance Survey) website - > www.getamap.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk > www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Gamrie/locations.html > gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie Regards Les Sent from my > BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne > HUBER <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: > Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:54:56 To: aberdeen<[email protected]> Reply-To: > [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 > Monquhitter Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John > SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had > was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death > record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann > Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at > Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son > of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as > Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The > person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the > farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have > been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is > always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where > Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record > would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's > People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no > luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message