Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald <maqua@melbpc.org.au> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:17:28 To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All the children of Alexander Ga[i]rtly & Jean Watt were born at Knappartnow. Baptismal witnesses were: Alexr 1762 Alexr. Ingram in Collithie, Alexander Gairtly in Knapartknows Jean 1764 Alexr. Gartly younger + 2 others William 1770 the congregation Jannet 1776 John Gartly, Donald McLean & Jannet Johnston Robert 1778 William Ellis & Mary Taylor. [This means there were at least 2 adult Alexander Gartlys living at Knappartknow in the 1760s] John Gartly & Jean Watt had children between 1746 & 1757 - the last one at least being at Knappartknow. It may be that John Gartly died and that Jean Watt re-married, to Alexander Gartly, but that would mean she had children over a period of 32yrs? John Gairtly & Jean Watt had a son John bpt.8 Apr 1752 which is not far off for the birth of the clockmaker (d.Sep 5 1827 in his 78th year). Stuart -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 12:17 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message