My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. Further to my last email. I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK maiden name McPHEE. (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with Paternal Grandmother). The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two different Fathers named! Oh dear any advice is welcome.. Regards, Isabel, N.Z.

Have you got the records for the children in England? I would be prepared to have a look for you in Ancestry. I have seen something like this conundrum before, though each person seems to weave their own magical situation is true. I have records where an entirely different male's name is given as the father. Perhaps he owned up to an illegitimate liaison. A certificate under English law I have does not state the child is illegitimate or "reputed father" In Scotland, if a child is born to a woman who is no longer married to a first or subsequent husband, does the child take her maiden surname or her married name? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isabel Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:24 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE COOK CHALMERS My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. Further to my last email. I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK maiden name McPHEE. (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with Paternal Grandmother). The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two different Fathers named! Oh dear any advice is welcome.. Regards, Isabel, N.Z. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 9 March 2014 10:38, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: <snipped> > In Scotland, if a child is born to a woman who is no longer married to a > first > or subsequent husband, does the child take her maiden surname or her > married > name? > ============== Hi Janet We have a case of two boys born to Annie SMITH - unmarried, father Robert THOMSON. The first one called himself Robert Thomson for his whole life the second one was registered [in 1879] as William THOMSON but at the Census in 1881 he was William SMITH which he kept for the rest of *his* life. A third brother with a different father - still without marriage - was John SMITH all the time. It would appear that, providing the father acknowledges the birth, it is up to the mother and later to the child which surname he has. If the father denies paternity, the child may take the paternal surname as a means of reproaching his dad!! We know of a case in a Scottish village [not our tree] where this caused all sorts of gossip! Regards Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net

Hi Isabel Two different fathers is rare [!] but not that unusual. As Gavin once said: the person who knows best is not able to give parental details for the death registration, being dead. Have a look at the informant on the DC. It is possible it's a friend or even a hospital official or similar. If so they probably made up the name. Some registrars put a dash where the name was unknown but some foolishly insisted on a name. If I were you, I'd go with the name on the OPR? marriage registration as at least she would have known her father's correct name. You are lucky that her father is recorded in the OPR; many parishes did little more than name the couple. HTH Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 9 March 2014 07:24, Isabel Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. > > Further to my last email. > > I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. > > It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER > > On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it > states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. > > I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK > maiden name McPHEE. (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with > Paternal Grandmother). > > The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. > > Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two > different Fathers named! > > Oh dear any advice is welcome.. > Regards, > Isabel, > N.Z. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Isabel. It sounds as if you received some good ideas from other listers.   I thought it might be easier to "break the tie" by looking at Isabella's second marriage to see who she listed as her father on that record. In 1860, at her wedding to William Chalmers, Isabella listed her father as William McPhee, canvas weaver, and her mother as Sally Neil. In 1870, when William McPhee dies , his daughter Ann McIntosh names William as the widower of Sally Neil and the son of John McPhee and Belle? Robertson. There is an OPR for Ann listing her parents as William McFie and Sarah Neal.   >From the above records I would say that Isabella McPhee Cook Chalmers was the daughter of William McPhee and the granddaughter of John McPhee. Sally ( or Sarah) died on 16 February 1864 at the age of 75. Her parents were John Neal (soldier) and Ann Fraser. These records are all found on Scotlandspeople. Ancestry indicates that Sarah (Sally) was born in England---her father was a soldier so that's probably your explanation for that.   Best of luck!   Cheri Hyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isabel Anderson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:24:35 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE COOK CHALMERS My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. Further to my last email. I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK maiden name McPHEE.  (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with Paternal Grandmother). The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two different Fathers named! Oh dear any advice is welcome.. Regards, Isabel, N.Z.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message