My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can.

You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you are uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and 1901 he is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a boarder, and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's great grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find yourself climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck Have since read what others have written here. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 6 March 2014 09:07, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you > are > uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you > considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and > 1901 he > is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a > boarder, > and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's > great > grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find > yourself > climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck > Have since read what others have written here. > > Janet > ==================================== > Hi Mina Janet has given you slightly misleading information. In 1832 the birth of William, your husband's great grandfather, would have been recorded in the OPR for the parish. There was no certificate in those pre-1855 days and in some parishes the mother's name wasn't recorded. What was recorded would be the date of baptism, the father and the name of his residence. Sometimes a separate birth date was given and in many cases two witnesses would be named with their places of residence. These might be relatives which can be pure gold [we once found the baby's grandfather named as such immediately giving us an extra generation!!] Having found the names of William's parents you should be able to find their marriage in the OPRs but remember that the name GRANT is extremely common so proving you have the right ones will depend on him having a wife with an unusual name, or be in the same parish. Unfortunately the residence within parish was seldom recorded and you have to go back to probable births to see if the address has remained the same. Even this often isn't absolutely certain because of the Scottish naming pattern which often gave rise to several of the same name living and/or being born at the same place. If you want an explanation of this just ask. When we were looking for a birth we found [unrelated to us] a house n Methlick parish with *four* James CHEYNEs living at the same farm. So, at this level finding certain connections depends on some corroborating detail and tons of luck. Be lucky Ray

I doubt someone as experienced as Janet was being misleading. More likely she was using a shorthand term "certificate" to mean a birth registration. Given we can see register pages on Scotlands People I suspect exceptionally few of us will have actual certificates. Far more likely we have scans of the register page (either OPRs or statutory registers) yet we still tend to refer to the register scans as a birth/marriage/death certificate when in reality they aren't certificates at all only scans of a register page. So I'm perfectly happy to accept the use of the term "birth certificate" to mean a scan of the appropriate page of the appropriate register regardless of year. Regards Alexander Sent from my iPad Air > On 6 Mar 2014, at 17:37, Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > >> On 6 March 2014 09:07, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you >> are >> uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you >> considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and >> 1901 he >> is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a >> boarder, >> and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's >> great >> grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find >> yourself >> climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck >> Have since read what others have written here. >> >> Janet >> ==================================== >> > > Hi Mina > > Janet has given you slightly misleading information. In 1832 the birth of > William, your husband's great grandfather, would have been recorded in the > OPR for the parish. There was no certificate in those pre-1855 days and in > some parishes the mother's name wasn't recorded. What was recorded would > be the date of baptism, the father and the name of his residence. > Sometimes a separate birth date was given and in many cases two witnesses > would be named with their places of residence. These might be relatives > which can be pure gold [we once found the baby's grandfather named as such > immediately giving us an extra generation!!] > > Having found the names of William's parents you should be able to find > their marriage in the OPRs but remember that the name GRANT is extremely > common so proving you have the right ones will depend on him having a wife > with an unusual name, or be in the same parish. Unfortunately the > residence within parish was seldom recorded and you have to go back to > probable births to see if the address has remained the same. Even this > often isn't absolutely certain because of the Scottish naming pattern > which often gave rise to several of the same name living and/or being born > at the same place. > > If you want an explanation of this just ask. When we were looking for a > birth we found [unrelated to us] a house n Methlick parish with *four* > James CHEYNEs living at the same farm. So, at this level finding certain > connections depends on some corroborating detail and tons of luck. > > Be lucky > > Ray > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 05/03/14 21:00, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. and > One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, > .. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 But in a second email, > William supposedly died of pleurisy and pneumonia on 28 Nov 1903. and > was Charles who is listed as dying at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn age > 48 on 1-June-1906 Neither date matches! > She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. I have Isabella, b. abt1803, as the 6th child of Alexander Massie and Isabella/Isobel Bell. Alexander was b. abt 1761-1765 in Kincardineshire, and Isabella Bell 27 Dec 1758, in Maryculter. -- Regards Dave

Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with Mary Ranking YOUNG. Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 and marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations of stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com