Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendy, Gavin, Might your 'touncr' mean TOWNCRIER???? Regards from one who usually just reads the notes/queries Doris in Ontario, Canada On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk>wrote: > Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. > I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper > but > as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was > their reply: > "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas > between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen > North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with > them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? > Sorry we could not be of assistance." > So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to > the > possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to > these > and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. > Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the > time > being. > Thanks again for your valuable assistance. > > All the best > Wendy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Bell > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > > were such things around 1787 ? > > There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries > preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be > recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City > Archives. > > But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what > a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an > abbreviation for "Town Councillor". > > I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City > Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they > can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years > ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently > re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities > for misreadings. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Become an *Organ Donor*: Please register at *beadonor.ca <http://beadonor.ca/>*

On 28/03/2014 16:48, Doris Grant wrote: > Wendy, Gavin, > > Might your 'touncr' mean TOWNCRIER? Strikes me as unlikely, as there has never (so far as I know) been such an official in Aberdeen. Announcements were generally made by the Town Drummer, who is documented in records. But the point I have already made, and would now repeat, is that the "records" as they exist on the ANESFHS website are transcriptions (at 2 removes) from the handwritten originals which are held by Aberdeen City Archives. So the first thing to do is to have someone take another look at the original, and see if they can confirm the "touncr." reading, or think it might actually say something different. Transcribing old documents is nbot an exact science, and a freash pair of eyes can sometimes see things differently. Gavin Bell

A remote possibility a 'tonser' eg. a barber. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:47 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 28/03/2014 15:47, Wendy Burns wrote: > Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. > I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but > as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was > their reply: > "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas > between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen > North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with > them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? > Sorry we could not be of assistance." Oh, dear. They really should know better than that. The "burial records" on the ANESFHS website are taken (as is made perfectly clear in the "Help" files on the website) from the Accounts of the "Master of Kirk and Bridgeworks" which they very definitely DO hold. There are incomplete earlier records, but the Archives hold these accounts for the period from 1590 to 1793. Remind them of that, with my compliments! Gavin