Hi all Whilst I agree with Janets point about the cost and time taken to only be able get 'certified' Certificates/extracts in England & Wales as opposed to being able to download 'uncertified' copies from SP. I'm afraid she misses the point. To quote her : >I just wonder if a strong lobby on Bright Solid might push the outcome in a way that may not be anticipated. It is NOT in BrightSolids power to introduce an Annual Subscription for access to SP records. To quote myself : >Besides being tied by legislation - it is in the will of the Scottish Parliament to change the legislation. To get the legislation changed requires the lobbying of MSPs and getting them on side AND getting one of them to propose a change in the legislation. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Wendy Burns" <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 22:48:35 To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen It may just be that the person reading the original document just took a stab in the dark with the "touncr." and in fact it was weaver. I have just found that when James STEWART married Teresa BYRES in 1763 he was given as being a weaver. I suppose if the start of the W was high enough and the rest of the letter was lower then it could have looked like it started with a t. Or he may have changed his occupation at some time between 1763 and 1787. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: George Jamieson Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:40 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Wendy, This is diificult without viewing the original doc. junior - joiner - tanner - ??? George -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Sent: 28 March 2014 20:37 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen A remote possibility a 'tonser' eg. a barber. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:47 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it > was possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor > if there were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. 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Les Do you have an MSP that researchers not living in Scotland could lobby? Living as I do in southern England, I really don't know who would be the best person to write to. If several hundred of us wrote to one person that might get things moving. Power to the people, or something Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 29 March 2014 23:11, <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi all > > Whilst I agree with Janets point about the cost and time taken to only be > able get 'certified' Certificates/extracts in England & Wales as opposed to > being able to download 'uncertified' copies from SP. I'm afraid she misses > the point. To quote her : > > >I just wonder if a strong lobby on Bright Solid might push the outcome in > a way that may not be anticipated. > > It is NOT in BrightSolids power to introduce an Annual Subscription for > access to SP records. To quote myself : > > >Besides being tied by legislation - it is in the will of the Scottish > Parliament to change the legislation. > > To get the legislation changed requires the lobbying of MSPs and getting > them on side AND getting one of them to propose a change in the legislation. > > Regards > Les > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wendy Burns" <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> > Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 22:48:35 > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > It may just be that the person reading the original document just took a > stab in the dark with the "touncr." and in fact it was weaver. I have just > found that when James STEWART married Teresa BYRES in 1763 he was given as > being a weaver. I suppose if the start of the W was high enough and the > rest > of the letter was lower then it could have looked like it started with a t. > Or he may have changed his occupation at some time between 1763 and 1787. > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Jamieson > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:40 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy, > > This is diificult without viewing the original doc. junior - joiner - > tanner > - ??? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Colleen > Sent: 28 March 2014 20:37 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > A remote possibility a 'tonser' eg. a barber. > > Colleen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy Burns > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:47 AM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. > I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper > but > as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was > their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for > St > Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS > Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would > check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town > Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this > from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these > suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in > the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have > to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for > your > valuable assistance. > > All the best > Wendy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Bell > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it > > was possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor > > if there were such things around 1787 ? > > There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries > preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be > recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City > Archives. > > But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what > a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an > abbreviation for "Town Councillor". > > I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City > Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can > make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by > volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into > computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Try https://twitter.com/ScotlandsPeople Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray7033@gmail.com> To: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; "Aberdeen List" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotlands People (SP) Les Do you have an MSP that researchers not living in Scotland could lobby? Living as I do in southern England, I really don't know who would be the best person to write to. If several hundred of us wrote to one person that might get things moving. Power to the people, or something Ray --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
In reply, my point was about Listers and other people lobbying who ever they feel would take up the issue. I'm not living in Scotland and I wouldnt try and tell the Scottish people what to do and how to go about it; I am offering thought that a strong lobby could change the benefit we now enjoy, if the powers that be are prompted to think about it. Another angle on the subject. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotlands People (SP) Hi all Whilst I agree with Janets point about the cost and time taken to only be able get 'certified' Certificates/extracts in England & Wales as opposed to being able to download 'uncertified' copies from SP. I'm afraid she misses the point. To quote her : >I just wonder if a strong lobby on Bright Solid might push the outcome in a way >that may not be anticipated. It is NOT in BrightSolids power to introduce an Annual Subscription for access to SP records. To quote myself : >Besides being tied by legislation - it is in the will of the Scottish >Parliament to change the legislation. To get the legislation changed requires the lobbying of MSPs and getting them on side AND getting one of them to propose a change in the legislation. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com