I have Charles Cordiner KERR in my line. I show he was born 25 July 1847 in Kininmonth, Lonmay, Aberdeenshire. He was listed as a farm servant in one of the OPR records. He is the son of William Kerr and Catherine MACKIE. He was married twice. First to Anne COPLAND 12 June 1869 Lonmay. (She was the daughter of John COPLAND and Elizabeth CHEYNE). They had 6 children. After Ann died in a bovine incident, he married Annie Minnie COOPER and they had two more children. The second marriage was 28 Jun 1879 Rathen. I am looking for more info on this Kerr family. How does Cordiner fit in as it is a middle name of Charles? Thanks! Laura

Sorry Laura, none of the names you mention are in my tree.  However, I would be very surprised if Cordiner was ever used as a middle name for Charles. The Cordiner surname was very prominent in the Peterhead area from the 16th century onward.  Cordiner was also an occupation.  I believe its origins are in France but more knowledgeable people than I would need to verify that. Ken ________________________________ From: Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 8:20:41 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Charles Cordiner Kerr I have Charles Cordiner KERR in my line.  I show he was born 25 July 1847 in Kininmonth, Lonmay, Aberdeenshire.  He was listed as a farm servant in one of the OPR records.  He is the son of William Kerr and Catherine MACKIE.  He was married twice.  First to Anne COPLAND 12 June 1869 Lonmay. (She was the daughter of John COPLAND and Elizabeth CHEYNE).  They had 6 children. After Ann died in a bovine incident, he married Annie Minnie COOPER and they had two more children.  The second marriage was 28 Jun 1879 Rathen.  I am looking for more info on this Kerr family.  How does Cordiner fit in as it is a middle name of  Charles? Thanks! Laura ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken May jean-ken@xtra.co.nzwrote:  ...Cordiner was also an occupation.   It is an old name for a shoe maker.      ________________________________ From: To: rbozzay@earthlink.net; aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 23 November, 2009 22:43:18 Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Charles Cordiner Kerr Sorry Laura, none of the names you mention are in my tree.  However, I would be very surprised if Cordiner was ever used as a middle name for Charles. The Cordiner surname was very prominent in the Peterhead area from the 16th century onward.    I believe its origins are in France but more knowledgeable people than I would need to verify that. Ken ________________________________ From: Ron and Laura Bozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 8:20:41 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Charles Cordiner Kerr I have Charles Cordiner KERR in my line.  I show he was born 25 July 1847 in Kininmonth, Lonmay, Aberdeenshire.  He was listed as a farm servant in one of the OPR records.  He is the son of William Kerr and Catherine MACKIE.  He was married twice.  First to Anne COPLAND 12 June 1869 Lonmay. (She was the daughter of John COPLAND and Elizabeth CHEYNE).  They had 6 children. After Ann died in a bovine incident, he married Annie Minnie COOPER and they had two more children.  The second marriage was 28 Jun 1879 Rathen.  I am looking for more info on this Kerr family.  How does Cordiner fit in as it is a middle name of  Charles? Thanks! Laura ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laura, For what it's worth Cordiner seems to be an archaic Scottish form of Cordwainer. These terms refer to workers in Cordovan, a special goatskin leather, originally from Cordoba in Spain. Having started as signifying a special leather worker, the term later came to mean a shoemaker in a general way. There is a list of Old Occupations at Julie Groucher's ** Angler's Rest website: http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/OldOccupations.htm Though it doesn't have Cordiner as such [only Cordwainer], I found it in Chambers Scots dictionary. Ken May commented: > ..., I would be very surprised if Cordiner was ever used as a middle name for Charles. I'm intrigued by your assertion, Ken. If the "...Cordiner surname was very prominent in the Peterhead area ...", would it not be natural - and typically Scottish - to find it used occasionally as a middle name? Or have I misunderstood your comment? Best wishes Ray [** Julie is one of our esteemed List Administrators.]

No Ray, I'm the one that totally miss read Laura's comment.  I read her comment as "using the name CORDINER as a substitute name for CHARLES" (ie: Jack for John etc).  I guess being upside down on the other side of the Globe has given me fuzzy vision.  And yes you are correct, surnames are very prominent in Scottish naming, they certainly are in our family anyway. From replies received on my query about Kinnaird Castle, it would seem that in recent times it has ceased to be a Castle and is now known simply as the Kinnaird Lighthouse.  It is my understanding that the Lighthouse was actually built within the castle.  Can anyone tell me when the Castle ceased to function, and does it actually still exist. Cheers Ken New Zealand ________________________________ From: Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 25 November, 2009 12:43:15 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Charles Cordiner Kerr .............. Ken May commented: > ..., I would be very surprised if Cordiner was ever used as a middle name for Charles. I'm intrigued by your assertion, Ken.  If the "...Cordiner surname was very prominent in the Peterhead area ...", would it not be natural - and typically Scottish - to find it used occasionally as a middle name?  Or have I misunderstood your comment? Best wishes Ray