Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. Ray On 29 March 2010 11:01, Brad and Jen <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi there, > > There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. > > Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - > http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.  In 1841 John is living with James > BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is > still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet.  Both ages give him an > approximate birth year of 1827.  In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella > are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are > related.   I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a > James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible > that this is John's grandfather. > > Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and > most likely in Artochie.  I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named > at the baptisms of the children.  If James Snr  is listed living in Artochie > then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at > baptisms were relatives. > > Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I > could confirm it that way. > > I hope this helps and happy hunting, > Jen. >

If anyone does this Buchan research and comes across a David Harley who married Jean Buchan on 20 Jun 1818 in New Deer, Aberdeen I would be pleased to get the Buchan family history as I don't have it. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: March-29-10 5:35 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. Ray On 29 March 2010 11:01, Brad and Jen <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi there, > > There's lots of ways to try and confirm this information. > > Firstly I looked at the 1841 and 1851 Census on the Freecen site - > http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.  In 1841 John is living with James > BUCHAN (Snr) in Artochie, Logie Buchan aged 13 and in 1851 Census he is > still living in Artochie aged 23 with wife Janet.  Both ages give him an > approximate birth year of 1827.  In 1851 Census James Snr and wife Isabella > are still living in Artochie and this is a good indication that they are > related.   I also note that in the 1841 Census in Artochie there is also a > James Buchan Independent aged 75 living with them and it's quite possible > that this is John's grandfather. > > Secondly John and Janet had at least 7 children born in Logie Buchan and > most likely in Artochie.  I would spend some credits on Scotlandspeople - > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ and see if there were any witnesses named > at the baptisms of the children.  If James Snr  is listed living in Artochie > then it is most likely that he is John's father as most witnesses at > baptisms were relatives. > > Thirdly I'd look for John's death certificate on Scotlandpeople and see if I > could confirm it that way. > > I hope this helps and happy hunting, > Jen. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2776 - Release Date: 03/28/10 12:32:00

Ray, Thanks also for following up on this family. I will get some ScotlandsPeople credits and see what I can find there. Kind regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 10:35 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John BUCHAN of Logie Buchan Hi karen & Ed Further to Jen's detailed comments, if you look at the neighbouring records on the 1851 Census for Logie Buchan North Artrochie which follow John BUCHAN aged 23 you will find, James aged 85 and James aged 46 with wife Isabella aged 50 and all their family. The proximity of all these families does NOT guarantee relationships but by finding John's death certificate on Scotland's People, and possibly the ones for either James who may have died after 1855, you should get a lot more data. There are only 8 BUCHAN deaths in Logie Buchan on ScP so looking at all of them shouldn't be very expensive. There are 15 deaths for John BUCHAN in Aberdeenshire born 1822-1832 so looking at the hit list should show if your John died there. There are two born apparently in 1827 and one apparently in 1828. [I say "apparently" because ages on death certificates are nortoriously unreliable. As Gavin says, the person who knows best aint talking!] For James BUCHAN born c. 1765 +/-5, there are five possible deaths on ScP. For James born c. 1805 +/- 5, there are six possibles. In 1881, Isabella BUCHAN is in Ellon, widowed. living with her unmarried 55-year-old daughter Barbara and a granddaughter Helen WEBSTER, aged 5. FreeCEN 1851 says Isabella was born in Ellon but 1881 gives her place of birth as Rayne. More details if you want them. ---- edited for brevity----

Well, I got the death certificate 1895 St Nicholas Aberdeen ABD 168/01/0947 which records that John BUCHAN, coal store keeper married to Janet WILLOX, died 1895 September third 7h30m AM at 19 Lodge Walk Aberdeen; male aged 68 years; father James BUCHAN crofter (deceased) mother Isabella BUCHAN ms ROSS (deceased); informant Alex BUCHAN, son, 8 Shiprow Aberdeen Which all fits my theory as to his parents except that his mother Isabella's maiden surname is shown as ROSS not CRUICKSHANK as I expected it to be. So I got the death certificate for Isabella - 1884 Ellon ABD 192/00 0036 which records Isabella BUCHAN, widow of James BUCHAN crofter, died 1884 December second 10h0m AM at Tillydesk parish of Ellon, female aged 85 years, father John CRUICKSHANK crofter (deceased) mother Mary CRUICKSHANK ms CRUICKSHANK (deceased), cause of death senile debility, informant James Thomson son in law present Based on the above I am inclined to suggest that the name ROSS is an error made either by the informant or the registrar. Any thoughts? Ed