Gavin, Thankyou for the reply. I believe I am okay with Genuki copyright. I have no intention of selling or publishing any data that I get from Genuki. My interest is purely for my own entertainment / study / gratification in better understanding the places listed in my family tree. Painful as it may be, I will generate my own shape files for the various parishes relevant to my own database - I will get this data from wherever I can in the public domain that does not have copyright restrictions. Yes I am a bit nerdy and I enjoy using GIS systems and databases. My aim is to have all relevant data on my PC and not to rely upon the web for geographical information. Thankyou for the various links, you have done a good job on those two sites, and that is something like what I would like to do with my own tree data - I will get there. Where did you learn how to use google earth to do that ?- Did you teach yourself by having an initial go on google earth and learning as you went ? Regards Bill