Hi Ray, thanks very much for your help. I had looked at IGI and then Scotlandspeople and found that William, I've also found the marriage of William and Ann Castle and my William on 1851 census his first son was William and their first daughter was Mary, William's wife was Mary Stokes. Their 3rd son was Edwin John, John was the father to William born 1754. I also looked for for William's father in Aberdeen and narrowed it down to two, William born 26/9/1771 to Alexander and Cicilia Smith and a William Grant and his twin were born 24/10/1754 to John Grant and wife no christian name surname Ingrahm. When searching you really have to think outside the square don't you, I'm going to take another look on Scotlandspeople. Regards Marion Sydney Aust On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > marion wakeford wrote: > > > My great x 3 grandfather William Grant was listed as born in Aberdeen on > the 1851 England census, and he stated that he was 55, I know I can't > assume > that he was born in Aberdeen, but do you think its worth a try? > ____________________________________ > > Hi Marion > > If you search the IGI for William GRANT births in Aberdeen(shire) for the > period 1795 +/- 5 years, you get 15 "hits" of which four are "LDS > submissions" and should be discounted. Two of the others are duplicated as > birth-plus-christening entries which leaves nine OPR entries. [numbers 1, > 4, > 6, 7/8, 9, 10/11, 13, 14 & 15] > > Only one of these is actually in Aberdeen City: 4 Apr 1791, son of William > GRANT & Ann CASTLE. This one is a bit early given the declared age in 1851 > but may still be right if he "adjusted" his age for the Census [or didn't > know it precisely]. > > The others are in outer parishes which may well have been recorded as > "Aberdeen" in the English Census since it was common to record only the > county name if born outside the county of residence. > > IF [a biggish "if"] he was baptized and hence registered in the OPR, then > your William will be one of these. With no further information, proving > which is him may be a bit difficult. One thing to try is the Scottish [and > sometimes English] naming pattern for his children. BEWARE: this is not > always followed but can be an indicator: > BOYS: > first son after the father's father, > second after the mothers father > and third after the father. > GIRLS: > first daughter after the mother's mother, > second after the father's mother > and third after the mother. > > If this leads to duplicate names then miss that stage out. > > For additional children the pattern suggests using names of uncles & aunts > and then great uncles & aunts but by that size of brood the names of > friends, local worthies, etc may be used. However this doesn't often lead > to useful detection! > > BUT BUT remember this is only a guide and it is seldom followed precisely, > if at all. > > I'll leave you to look at the IGI records and consider if any looks worth > examining further e.g. through Scotland's People. If you need more info, > let me know. > > -- > Best wishes and good luck > > Ray > > ********************************************************** > >From Ray Hennessy > Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net > Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net > Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP > ********************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Marion

On 28 February 2010 03:20, marion wakeford <marion.wakeford@gmail.com> wrote: > > ... I also looked for for William's father in Aberdeen and narrowed it down to two, ... and a William ... born 24/10/1754 to John Grant and wife no christian name surname Ingrahm. ________________________________________ Hi Marion I clicked on the Batch number for William's birth and this set up the film search. You probably know that for this search on the IGI you can enter just the child's surname, in this case "GRANT". I added the father's name "John" and got a list of 12 children of John GRANT [Take care, it isn't necessarily just one man!!] When you look at the record for the first child listed, Helen GRANT b 4 Dec 1766, you find that her mother was Christian INGRAM. If you also look at Mary, b 7 Apr 1751, her mother is "Christ. INGRAHM". Others just have the mother's surname. I think you can safely assume that William's mother was the same Christian INGRAM/INGRAHM since his birth to Mother "INGRAHM" is straddled by the others. My guess is that INGRAHM was the spelling favoured by the clerk of the day and the mother's forename may have been indecipherable for some of the births on the film when LDS transcribed it. -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From                                      Ray Hennessy Forenames website:                www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address:         ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at   http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************