Indeed and this is quite useful. FT Analyzer http://ftanalyzer.codeplex.com/ on the other hand will do this for you automatically simply by running the program and viewing your GEDCOM file. You just tell the program to search Google for the locations in your file and it will plot them on a map. This makes it even easier for those who want to use mapping to see where their ancestors lived but aren't confident using the Google Maps tools. Regards Alexander Sent from my iPad Air > On 30 Nov 2013, at 17:10, Venita <[email protected]> wrote: > > You can also create your own map in Google and mark the places which are important to your own genealogy. As an example you may look at the one I created for my own Scottish ancestry at http://goo.gl/maps/UI3OZ > > To create your map, first create a Google account - they are free. Then go to maps.google.com and navigate to the area you choose, i.e. Aberdeenshire. From the column on the left, choose “My Places.” If you are skilled at your computer, click “Create Map” and follow the directions. If you are not quite as skilled, click the blue message under the red box: Or create with classic My Maps. To mark a location, click the middle box at the top right of the map to pick up a marker. Mouse it, then drop it on the site you choose, fill in the data, then click OK. Repeat for additional places you choose to mark. > > I have created maps for each of the areas where my ancestors originate. When I am doing research, I regularly use them to judge distance between parishes, find parish churches, look for old properties, step down into a street to have a look around, etc. > > Venita > >> On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> With all the interest in Googlemaps that has taken place I think it is probably as well to >> point out that buildings such as domestic dwellings might have been given different names >> and as well as number changes it is possible one cant definitely identify a property our >> ancestors might have lived in. Of course, there will be some who can identify the right >> property. >> I suspect that dwelling houses in cities such as Aberdeen would be more easy to identify >> accurately than one say in the village of Auchenblae or any other small town or village. >> I hope this point is useful and that it doesn't spoil the excitement that has taken place >> in this List over the past few hours. >> Googlemaps is a very good tool for mapping one's journey, far better than Sat Nav. ;-) >> >> Janet >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alexander Bisset" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers >> >> >>> Hi Bethany >>> Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for yourself? >>> eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of School Road today. >>> http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB >>> Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places their ancestors >>> lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers >>>> >>>> I found that the house in which my father lived as >>>> a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in >>>> Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According >>>> to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar >>>> east to King Street, and from King Street to the >>>> shore was open ground on which the local children >>>> played, according to him. After WW2, that open >>>> area was built over, and School Road was extended >>>> east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive >>>> was built across the front of the church (or so it >>>> appears on maps -- I've never actually been to >>>> Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street >>>> was extended to the original School Road as far as >>>> King Street. A cousin visiting the city from >>>> Canada investigated for me while making a tourist >>>> trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 >>>> School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have >>>> been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a >>>> photo of same. As I have two photos of my father >>>> as a boy in front of and behind their house, it >>>> doesn't look as if the old structure was reused >>>> for the bank building. >>>> >>>> His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street >>>> at that time, around the years of WW1, but my >>>> understanding is that that street was heavily >>>> bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over >>>> for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time >>>> to go there and see, and relied on what her tour >>>> guide told her when she asked about the street. >>>> >>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: >>>>>> On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have changed >>>>>> since, say, the 1860s? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far as I can >>>>>> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have a >>>>>> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to check >>>>>> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same (except >>>>>> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? >>>>> >>>>> It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may well >>>>> have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I >>>>> can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of existing >>>>> numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name >>>>> applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union Street >>>>> West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gavin Bell >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Hi Venita, On 11/30/2013 11:10 AM, Venita wrote: > I regularly use them to judge distance between parishes, find parish churches, In addition to my cousin's program, I have been using the free Parish Locator program for years, and I love it. http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLocDL.html Apparently this is a newer version, so I will have to check it out myself. ParLoc is great for giving distances between parishes, and one can plot out a circle for a given radius around a given parish, which shows all of the parishes within that radius. My old version does not use an actual map overlay, so unless the new version now does that, I suggest that one use it in conjunction with cousin Alexander's program. Regards, Joe

You can also create your own map in Google and mark the places which are important to your own genealogy. As an example you may look at the one I created for my own Scottish ancestry at http://goo.gl/maps/UI3OZ To create your map, first create a Google account - they are free. Then go to maps.google.com and navigate to the area you choose, i.e. Aberdeenshire. From the column on the left, choose “My Places.” If you are skilled at your computer, click “Create Map” and follow the directions. If you are not quite as skilled, click the blue message under the red box: Or create with classic My Maps. To mark a location, click the middle box at the top right of the map to pick up a marker. Mouse it, then drop it on the site you choose, fill in the data, then click OK. Repeat for additional places you choose to mark. I have created maps for each of the areas where my ancestors originate. When I am doing research, I regularly use them to judge distance between parishes, find parish churches, look for old properties, step down into a street to have a look around, etc. Venita On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > With all the interest in Googlemaps that has taken place I think it is probably as well to > point out that buildings such as domestic dwellings might have been given different names > and as well as number changes it is possible one cant definitely identify a property our > ancestors might have lived in. Of course, there will be some who can identify the right > property. > I suspect that dwelling houses in cities such as Aberdeen would be more easy to identify > accurately than one say in the village of Auchenblae or any other small town or village. > I hope this point is useful and that it doesn't spoil the excitement that has taken place > in this List over the past few hours. > Googlemaps is a very good tool for mapping one's journey, far better than Sat Nav. ;-) > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander Bisset" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > > >> Hi Bethany >> Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for yourself? >> eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of School Road today. >> http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB >> Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places their ancestors >> lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. >> >>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers >>> >>> I found that the house in which my father lived as >>> a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in >>> Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According >>> to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar >>> east to King Street, and from King Street to the >>> shore was open ground on which the local children >>> played, according to him. After WW2, that open >>> area was built over, and School Road was extended >>> east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive >>> was built across the front of the church (or so it >>> appears on maps -- I've never actually been to >>> Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street >>> was extended to the original School Road as far as >>> King Street. A cousin visiting the city from >>> Canada investigated for me while making a tourist >>> trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 >>> School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have >>> been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a >>> photo of same. As I have two photos of my father >>> as a boy in front of and behind their house, it >>> doesn't look as if the old structure was reused >>> for the bank building. >>> >>> His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street >>> at that time, around the years of WW1, but my >>> understanding is that that street was heavily >>> bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over >>> for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time >>> to go there and see, and relied on what her tour >>> guide told her when she asked about the street. >>> >>> Margaret Gibbs >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: >>>> On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have changed >>>>> since, say, the 1860s? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far as I can >>>>> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have a >>>>> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to check >>>>> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same (except >>>>> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? >>>> >>>> It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may well >>>> have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I >>>> can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of existing >>>> numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name >>>> applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union Street >>>> West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. >>>> >>>> >>>> Gavin Bell >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Hi Janet, It's a windows program at present I've not been able to get it to run on a Mac unfortunately and its just too different to get it to be a tablet app even though I'd love to run it on my new iPad Air!! One of the new features for those that have tried it before but not used it lately is the ability to view your own custom maps. So if you are the sort of person (Gavin) that has a lot of old maps and scan them you can now view your ancestors locations using those custom historic maps. NB. I can't distribute custom maps with the application as they are usually subject to copyright issues. However if they are maps you have purchased you are usually free to scan them and use them for your own personal study purposes as long as you don't give them away to others. Regards,Alexander > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:34:07 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] FT Analyzer was (Aberdeen street numbers) > > That is quite an achievement Alexander! Presumably it is compatible on all platforms. > PAF will do something similar relating to births impossible ;-) > > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander Bisset" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:55 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] FT Analyzer was (Aberdeen street numbers) > > > > Did you also know you can view where your ancestors lived with their locations plotted > > on a map? The free software I've written called FT Analyzer available from > > http://ftanalyzer.codeplex.com/ allows you to view a GEDCOM from your family history > > program. The program will then do lots of lookups on Google to get all the locations of > > your ancestors and will display them on a modern or historic map courtesy of the maps > > provided by the National Library of Scotland. > > Of course the program does a whole lot more than that such as finding errors in your > > tree (people being born before their parents or being on a census after they died etc). > > As well as doing automated census searches of Ancestry or Find My Past (assuming you > > have a subscription of course) or Family Search or FreeCen (which are free) you simply > > tell the program to generate a list of people who you've not yet got a census fact for > > and click on the person and it will search your chosen website for that person with a > > simple click. > > It can also generate lists of people you have found on a census but not yet entered onto > > the Lost Cousins website, it can provide you with lists of likely lads to have been > > involved in the world wars for searching military records and generally allow you to > > analyse your trees it lots of different ways. > > Regards,Alexander Bisset > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is quite an achievement Alexander! Presumably it is compatible on all platforms. PAF will do something similar relating to births impossible ;-) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Bisset" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] FT Analyzer was (Aberdeen street numbers) > Did you also know you can view where your ancestors lived with their locations plotted > on a map? The free software I've written called FT Analyzer available from > http://ftanalyzer.codeplex.com/ allows you to view a GEDCOM from your family history > program. The program will then do lots of lookups on Google to get all the locations of > your ancestors and will display them on a modern or historic map courtesy of the maps > provided by the National Library of Scotland. > Of course the program does a whole lot more than that such as finding errors in your > tree (people being born before their parents or being on a census after they died etc). > As well as doing automated census searches of Ancestry or Find My Past (assuming you > have a subscription of course) or Family Search or FreeCen (which are free) you simply > tell the program to generate a list of people who you've not yet got a census fact for > and click on the person and it will search your chosen website for that person with a > simple click. > It can also generate lists of people you have found on a census but not yet entered onto > the Lost Cousins website, it can provide you with lists of likely lads to have been > involved in the world wars for searching military records and generally allow you to > analyse your trees it lots of different ways. > Regards,Alexander Bisset --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Did you also know you can view where your ancestors lived with their locations plotted on a map? The free software I've written called FT Analyzer available from http://ftanalyzer.codeplex.com/ allows you to view a GEDCOM from your family history program. The program will then do lots of lookups on Google to get all the locations of your ancestors and will display them on a modern or historic map courtesy of the maps provided by the National Library of Scotland. Of course the program does a whole lot more than that such as finding errors in your tree (people being born before their parents or being on a census after they died etc). As well as doing automated census searches of Ancestry or Find My Past (assuming you have a subscription of course) or Family Search or FreeCen (which are free) you simply tell the program to generate a list of people who you've not yet got a census fact for and click on the person and it will search your chosen website for that person with a simple click. It can also generate lists of people you have found on a census but not yet entered onto the Lost Cousins website, it can provide you with lists of likely lads to have been involved in the world wars for searching military records and generally allow you to analyse your trees it lots of different ways. Regards,Alexander Bisset > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:26:02 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > > Or, as we prefer to think of it on our quiet > little crescent, we may be more exclusive :-) . > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > On 26/11/2013 12:11 PM, Cindy wrote: > > Hi Margaret. > > Often the little yellow man won't settle down on a street that doesn't have its streetview loaded (the Google cars haven't driven down it to take the pictures). > > So don't feel totally snubbed! Just your street may have been snubbed. ;-) > > > > Cindy Seibel > > > >> On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> > >> Well, thanks for telling me its googlemaps that > >> one types in, Ray. That was the part I couldn't > >> seem to find out anywhere. However, having now > >> found it, I cannot get that blasted little yellow > >> man to stand on my street. I guess he doesn't want > >> to be dragged around in the rain or something, but > >> he keeps hopefully showing me all sorts of nice > >> streets elsewhere in my city, but steadfastly > >> refuses to settle down on my street. > >> > >> I'll continue to wrestle with him. Or, more > >> effectively, I'll wait until a 13-year-old > >> grandkid is here. I suspect the little yellow man > >> will obey her, while he just thumbs his nose at me > >> :-) . > >> > >> Margaret Gibbs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 25/11/2013 5:12 PM, Ray Hennessy wrote: > >>> Margaret > >>> > >>> You can get a street view of almost anywhere in the developed world by > >>> 1. go to googlemaps, > >>> 2. find the area you want > >>> 3. lift the little yellow man on the left of the screen and most roads get > >>> marked in blue > >>> 4. plonk him on any road now marked in blue > >>> 5. use the arrows on the scene to move around [easiest to see if you face > >>> the road] > >>> 6. use the circle top left to change the direction you are looking in > >>> 7. this direction can be seen in the map section bottom right. > >>> > >>> I think it's magic but then I think that for most internet things. > >>> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Gavin The Union St address is 132, just east of the bridge, so I think I'm OK with that one too. Aberdeen is a much more mature city than our 'colonial' efforts :-) . Here, building addresses in the mid to late 1800s always have to be taken with a grain of salt, in comparison with today. Whole blocks in the inner areas might have been subdivided at that time, needing houses in main and other streets to have their numbers 'shifted' wholesale, from say #55 to #75 or so, with an unpredictable quantum!. And then it might have happened again in the early 1900s. A very laborious task sometimes to find out where today #55 Main Street from 1850 lies. Cheers Malcolm Ward Orford, Tasmania -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gavin Bell Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 1:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: > > > I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have > changed since, say, the 1860s? > > > > I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far as > I can tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I > have a bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I > need to check each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being > the same (except for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may well have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of existing numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union Street West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Or, as we prefer to think of it on our quiet little crescent, we may be more exclusive :-) . Margaret Gibbs On 26/11/2013 12:11 PM, Cindy wrote: > Hi Margaret. > Often the little yellow man won't settle down on a street that doesn't have its streetview loaded (the Google cars haven't driven down it to take the pictures). > So don't feel totally snubbed! Just your street may have been snubbed. ;-) > > Cindy Seibel > >> On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Well, thanks for telling me its googlemaps that >> one types in, Ray. That was the part I couldn't >> seem to find out anywhere. However, having now >> found it, I cannot get that blasted little yellow >> man to stand on my street. I guess he doesn't want >> to be dragged around in the rain or something, but >> he keeps hopefully showing me all sorts of nice >> streets elsewhere in my city, but steadfastly >> refuses to settle down on my street. >> >> I'll continue to wrestle with him. Or, more >> effectively, I'll wait until a 13-year-old >> grandkid is here. I suspect the little yellow man >> will obey her, while he just thumbs his nose at me >> :-) . >> >> Margaret Gibbs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 25/11/2013 5:12 PM, Ray Hennessy wrote: >>> Margaret >>> >>> You can get a street view of almost anywhere in the developed world by >>> 1. go to googlemaps, >>> 2. find the area you want >>> 3. lift the little yellow man on the left of the screen and most roads get >>> marked in blue >>> 4. plonk him on any road now marked in blue >>> 5. use the arrows on the scene to move around [easiest to see if you face >>> the road] >>> 6. use the circle top left to change the direction you are looking in >>> 7. this direction can be seen in the map section bottom right. >>> >>> I think it's magic but then I think that for most internet things. >>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I find an address in a census record, even if it’s only a street name, I go to Google Maps and type that address in for a search. I have found that many of the streets are still there, and sometimes the very place where the family lived. The parish church is almost always still there. In the satellite view, as mentioned, if you grab the little guy and drag him into the map, you will see blue lines where he can be dropped to see the ground view. Drop him there, then move up and down the street and have a look around. It’s almost like being there. Venita On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:20 AM, Gavin Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > On 25/11/2013 23:10, [email protected] wrote: > >> ... >> >> The 1905 Post Office map I have showed a >> north-south (approximately) street named Dunbar, >> which was a joke my father used to buy a house for >> our family in Vancouver on a street with the same >> name. I don't see it on the Google map -- I >> thought it might be what they show as Don Street, >> but it's further from the church than the Dunbar >> Street in the 1905 map. I'll probably never know, > > No. Dunbar Street is quite separate and different from Don Street, > although the two are quite close and run roughly parallel to each other. > > I would suggest that, if you really want to get an idea of how the place > looks and looked, you do not rely exclusively on Google Maps! You will > find a range of historical maps on the website of the National Library > of Scotland (http://maps.nls.uk/). Getting the best out of this site > can take a little while, but the effort will be worth it. > > You can also purchase good, old-fashioned maps on paper. Aberdeen and > Northeast Scotland FHS (http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/) sell reprints of > maps including "Old Aberdeen 1899" (catalogue MO285) which covers the > School Road / St Machar's Drive area. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 26/11/2013 00:46, [email protected] wrote: > ... > > Gavin Bell mentioned several large buildings on > the old School Road and I'm wondering if they may > have had something to do with the army? No. In 1867 the three large buildings on the "new street" were clearly marked as schools, which is presumably why it came to be known as "School Road". > My > grandfather was in the Gordons already when WW1 > started. No one in their family ever mentioned #6, > where they lived, as army married quarters instead > of a one-family house, but I suppose it's > possible? Unlikely. At that date, the Gordon Barracks were 2 miles away, in the centre of town, at Castle Hill, on a site now occupied by multi-storey blocks of flats. If the army were finding billets for families, I think it would have been in town, not halfway out into the country (as School Road effectively was at that date). Gavin Bell

On 25/11/2013 23:10, [email protected] wrote: > ... > > The 1905 Post Office map I have showed a > north-south (approximately) street named Dunbar, > which was a joke my father used to buy a house for > our family in Vancouver on a street with the same > name. I don't see it on the Google map -- I > thought it might be what they show as Don Street, > but it's further from the church than the Dunbar > Street in the 1905 map. I'll probably never know, No. Dunbar Street is quite separate and different from Don Street, although the two are quite close and run roughly parallel to each other. I would suggest that, if you really want to get an idea of how the place looks and looked, you do not rely exclusively on Google Maps! You will find a range of historical maps on the website of the National Library of Scotland (http://maps.nls.uk/). Getting the best out of this site can take a little while, but the effort will be worth it. You can also purchase good, old-fashioned maps on paper. Aberdeen and Northeast Scotland FHS (http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/) sell reprints of maps including "Old Aberdeen 1899" (catalogue MO285) which covers the School Road / St Machar's Drive area. Gavin Bell

Hi Margaret. Often the little yellow man won't settle down on a street that doesn't have its streetview loaded (the Google cars haven't driven down it to take the pictures). So don't feel totally snubbed! Just your street may have been snubbed. ;-) Cindy Seibel > On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:24 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Well, thanks for telling me its googlemaps that > one types in, Ray. That was the part I couldn't > seem to find out anywhere. However, having now > found it, I cannot get that blasted little yellow > man to stand on my street. I guess he doesn't want > to be dragged around in the rain or something, but > he keeps hopefully showing me all sorts of nice > streets elsewhere in my city, but steadfastly > refuses to settle down on my street. > > I'll continue to wrestle with him. Or, more > effectively, I'll wait until a 13-year-old > grandkid is here. I suspect the little yellow man > will obey her, while he just thumbs his nose at me > :-) . > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > > > >> On 25/11/2013 5:12 PM, Ray Hennessy wrote: >> Margaret >> >> You can get a street view of almost anywhere in the developed world by >> 1. go to googlemaps, >> 2. find the area you want >> 3. lift the little yellow man on the left of the screen and most roads get >> marked in blue >> 4. plonk him on any road now marked in blue >> 5. use the arrows on the scene to move around [easiest to see if you face >> the road] >> 6. use the circle top left to change the direction you are looking in >> 7. this direction can be seen in the map section bottom right. >> >> I think it's magic but then I think that for most internet things. >>

With all the interest in Googlemaps that has taken place I think it is probably as well to point out that buildings such as domestic dwellings might have been given different names and as well as number changes it is possible one cant definitely identify a property our ancestors might have lived in. Of course, there will be some who can identify the right property. I suspect that dwelling houses in cities such as Aberdeen would be more easy to identify accurately than one say in the village of Auchenblae or any other small town or village. I hope this point is useful and that it doesn't spoil the excitement that has taken place in this List over the past few hours. Googlemaps is a very good tool for mapping one's journey, far better than Sat Nav. ;-) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Bisset" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > Hi Bethany > Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for yourself? > eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of School Road today. > http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB > Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places their ancestors > lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. > >> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers >> >> I found that the house in which my father lived as >> a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in >> Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According >> to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar >> east to King Street, and from King Street to the >> shore was open ground on which the local children >> played, according to him. After WW2, that open >> area was built over, and School Road was extended >> east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive >> was built across the front of the church (or so it >> appears on maps -- I've never actually been to >> Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street >> was extended to the original School Road as far as >> King Street. A cousin visiting the city from >> Canada investigated for me while making a tourist >> trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 >> School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have >> been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a >> photo of same. As I have two photos of my father >> as a boy in front of and behind their house, it >> doesn't look as if the old structure was reused >> for the bank building. >> >> His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street >> at that time, around the years of WW1, but my >> understanding is that that street was heavily >> bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over >> for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time >> to go there and see, and relied on what her tour >> guide told her when she asked about the street. >> >> Margaret Gibbs >> >> >> >> On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: >> > On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have changed >> >> since, say, the 1860s? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far as I can >> >> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have a >> >> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to check >> >> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same (except >> >> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? >> > >> > It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may well >> > have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I >> > can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of existing >> > numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name >> > applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union Street >> > West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. >> > >> > >> > Gavin Bell >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> > message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Margaret You can get a street view of almost anywhere in the developed world by 1. go to googlemaps, 2. find the area you want 3. lift the little yellow man on the left of the screen and most roads get marked in blue 4. plonk him on any road now marked in blue 5. use the arrows on the scene to move around [easiest to see if you face the road] 6. use the circle top left to change the direction you are looking in 7. this direction can be seen in the map section bottom right. I think it's magic but then I think that for most internet things. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 25 November 2013 23:10, Margaret Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > I really appreciated that link, Alexander! I've > heard of Google Streetview, but never knew where > to find it on the internet. That looks like the > photo my cousin sent me of the bank she found, and > judging by the map, she was at the wrong end of > the street, the new part that was built after my > family left for Canada in 1922. My father, uncle > and grandmother all told me their house was "at > the end near the Cathedral" (which they attended). > I clicked on the Photos Nearby, and the houses > looked just like the one in the family pictures I > have -- but then, probably most houses all over > the city looked like that a hundred years ago. > > The 1905 Post Office map I have showed a > north-south (approximately) street named Dunbar, > which was a joke my father used to buy a house for > our family in Vancouver on a street with the same > name. I don't see it on the Google map -- I > thought it might be what they show as Don Street, > but it's further from the church than the Dunbar > Street in the 1905 map. I'll probably never know, > but I enjoyed seeing the area now anyway. The > school my father and uncles attended was near > their home, and during WW1 he told me that after > school, the boys would run across the open fields > on the east side of King Street (now all built up, > of course) to the shore, and stand there with > slingshots, cudgels, and other deadly weapons :-) > in case the Germans tried to land. They all had > family members, such as my grandfather, in the > Gordons, and were determined to do their bit just > like their fathers, uncles, and older brothers. > They occasionally saw balloons at a distance over > the sea, and were all set to shoot them down with > rocks, but my father said they were most likely > just British weather balloons. > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > > > > On 25/11/2013 2:34 PM, Alexander Bisset wrote: > > Hi Bethany > > Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for > yourself? > > eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of > School Road today.http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB > > Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places > their ancestors lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. > > > >> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 > >> From:[email protected] > >> To:[email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > >> > >> I found that the house in which my father lived as > >> a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in > >> Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According > >> to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar > >> east to King Street, and from King Street to the > >> shore was open ground on which the local children > >> played, according to him. After WW2, that open > >> area was built over, and School Road was extended > >> east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive > >> was built across the front of the church (or so it > >> appears on maps -- I've never actually been to > >> Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street > >> was extended to the original School Road as far as > >> King Street. A cousin visiting the city from > >> Canada investigated for me while making a tourist > >> trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 > >> School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have > >> been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a > >> photo of same. As I have two photos of my father > >> as a boy in front of and behind their house, it > >> doesn't look as if the old structure was reused > >> for the bank building. > >> > >> His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street > >> at that time, around the years of WW1, but my > >> understanding is that that street was heavily > >> bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over > >> for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time > >> to go there and see, and relied on what her tour > >> guide told her when she asked about the street. > >> > >> Margaret Gibbs > >> > >> > >> > >> On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: > >>> On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have > changed > >>>> since, say, the 1860s? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far > as I can > >>>> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have > a > >>>> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to > check > >>>> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same > (except > >>>> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? > >>> It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may > well > >>> have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I > >>> can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of > existing > >>> numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name > >>> applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union > Street > >>> West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. > >>> > >>> > >>> Gavin Bell > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Useful info Joan. The school on the other side is the St.Peter's Roman Catholic Primary School but its largely hidden away from King Street behind trees and a chapel like building. It's access is from Dunbar Street. Regards,Alexander > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:24:38 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > > Hello, I used to visit Aberdeen often as a child from Dundee in the 1940s. I spent a lot of time at my Great Grandmother's house on School Road Perhaps my memories from that time might be helpful. > Some random stream-of-conciousness then:- > School road ran East-West and ended near the beach on the East. There used to be a wood and metal mesh fence, quite high, with a pedestrian opening we went through to get to the beach. Starting at the fence and heading West there were quite a number of small tenements on the left (South). My Great Grandmother lived there. > The tenements were quite modern - probably built in the 1930s or 40s. There was a whole development of similar houses. I think they are still there. On the right (North) side there are now blocks of retirees flats. Traveling farther West there were bungalows on the right as School Road neared King Street. I don't remember if the tenements extended all the way to King Street. > The King Street junction now has a roundabout, but at the time I remember the King Street trams went straight over, out to the Don. At the junction there were (and are) shops on both sides to the North. I don't remember what was on the South side. > We never went West beyond the junction so I can't speak for what might have been there. However, there were no schools or official buildings that I can remember on the stretch of road I described. > Hope someone finds this useful! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:53:54 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > > On 25/11/2013 17:27, [email protected] wrote: > > I found that the house in which my father lived as > > a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in > > Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According > > to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar > > east to King Street, and from King Street to the > > shore was open ground on which the local children > > played, according to him. After WW2, that open > > area was built over, and School Road was extended > > east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive > > was built across the front of the church (or so it > > appears on maps -- I've never actually been to > > Aberdeen myself) > > > No. St Machar Drive lies 200-300 yards to the south of St Machar's > Cathedral. You can't see the one from the other. St Machar's Drive > does go close behind the 18th-Century Old Aberdeen Town House. > > > > and the name of the new street > > was extended to the original School Road as far as > > King Street. A cousin visiting the city from > > Canada investigated for me while making a tourist > > trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 > > School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have > > been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a > > photo of same. As I have two photos of my father > > as a boy in front of and behind their house, it > > doesn't look as if the old structure was reused > > for the bank building. > > The earliest accurate map that I can find which shows part of this area > is the 1866-67 Ordnance Survey large-scale map, which includes the Old > Aberdeen Town House and streets immediately adjacent. At this date, the > line of School Road is labelled "New Street", and shows just 3 buildings > on the south side of the road: "Bell's School", "Grammar School" and > "School". There are no buidings on the north side. > > The next detailed map I can find is an Ordnance Survey 6" sheet > unhelpfully dated "1892-1905". It shows "School Road" running as far as > King Street but with just the same 3 buildings (although they are not > named). Next up is a "Plan of the City of Aberdeen revised up to date" > of 1916. This shows no significant change to the buildings on the street. > > The next plan I have (provisionally dated 1938) shows St Machar Drive, > but not in sufficient detail to tell what buildings there were. > > Until 1955, I lived no great distance from School Road, but cannot > recollect what buildings there were other than a block of shops (still > standing) on the NW corner of the junction with King Street, and to the > west of that, a number of small bungalows (also still standing). I > cannot recall what (if anything) lay on the south side of School Road. > A large tower block was built (1960s?) on the SW corner of the King > Street junction. This initially housed the School of Agriculture, and > now contains other departments of Aberdeen University. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, thanks for telling me its googlemaps that one types in, Ray. That was the part I couldn't seem to find out anywhere. However, having now found it, I cannot get that blasted little yellow man to stand on my street. I guess he doesn't want to be dragged around in the rain or something, but he keeps hopefully showing me all sorts of nice streets elsewhere in my city, but steadfastly refuses to settle down on my street. I'll continue to wrestle with him. Or, more effectively, I'll wait until a 13-year-old grandkid is here. I suspect the little yellow man will obey her, while he just thumbs his nose at me :-) . Margaret Gibbs On 25/11/2013 5:12 PM, Ray Hennessy wrote: > Margaret > > You can get a street view of almost anywhere in the developed world by > 1. go to googlemaps, > 2. find the area you want > 3. lift the little yellow man on the left of the screen and most roads get > marked in blue > 4. plonk him on any road now marked in blue > 5. use the arrows on the scene to move around [easiest to see if you face > the road] > 6. use the circle top left to change the direction you are looking in > 7. this direction can be seen in the map section bottom right. > > I think it's magic but then I think that for most internet things. > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 25 November 2013 23:10, Margaret Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I really appreciated that link, Alexander! I've >> heard of Google Streetview, but never knew where >> to find it on the internet. That looks like the >> photo my cousin sent me of the bank she found, and >> judging by the map, she was at the wrong end of >> the street, the new part that was built after my >> family left for Canada in 1922. My father, uncle >> and grandmother all told me their house was "at >> the end near the Cathedral" (which they attended). >> I clicked on the Photos Nearby, and the houses >> looked just like the one in the family pictures I >> have -- but then, probably most houses all over >> the city looked like that a hundred years ago. >> >> The 1905 Post Office map I have showed a >> north-south (approximately) street named Dunbar, >> which was a joke my father used to buy a house for >> our family in Vancouver on a street with the same >> name. I don't see it on the Google map -- I >> thought it might be what they show as Don Street, >> but it's further from the church than the Dunbar >> Street in the 1905 map. I'll probably never know, >> but I enjoyed seeing the area now anyway. The >> school my father and uncles attended was near >> their home, and during WW1 he told me that after >> school, the boys would run across the open fields >> on the east side of King Street (now all built up, >> of course) to the shore, and stand there with >> slingshots, cudgels, and other deadly weapons :-) >> in case the Germans tried to land. They all had >> family members, such as my grandfather, in the >> Gordons, and were determined to do their bit just >> like their fathers, uncles, and older brothers. >> They occasionally saw balloons at a distance over >> the sea, and were all set to shoot them down with >> rocks, but my father said they were most likely >> just British weather balloons. >> >> Margaret Gibbs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 25/11/2013 2:34 PM, Alexander Bisset wrote: >>> Hi Bethany >>> Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for >> yourself? >>> eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of >> School Road today.http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB >>> Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places >> their ancestors lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. >>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 >>>> From:[email protected] >>>> To:[email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers >>>> >>>> I found that the house in which my father lived as >>>> a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in >>>> Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According >>>> to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar >>>> east to King Street, and from King Street to the >>>> shore was open ground on which the local children >>>> played, according to him. After WW2, that open >>>> area was built over, and School Road was extended >>>> east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive >>>> was built across the front of the church (or so it >>>> appears on maps -- I've never actually been to >>>> Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street >>>> was extended to the original School Road as far as >>>> King Street. A cousin visiting the city from >>>> Canada investigated for me while making a tourist >>>> trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 >>>> School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have >>>> been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a >>>> photo of same. As I have two photos of my father >>>> as a boy in front of and behind their house, it >>>> doesn't look as if the old structure was reused >>>> for the bank building. >>>> >>>> His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street >>>> at that time, around the years of WW1, but my >>>> understanding is that that street was heavily >>>> bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over >>>> for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time >>>> to go there and see, and relied on what her tour >>>> guide told her when she asked about the street. >>>> >>>> Margaret Gibbs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: >>>>> On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have >> changed >>>>>> since, say, the 1860s? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far >> as I can >>>>>> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have >> a >>>>>> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to >> check >>>>>> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same >> (except >>>>>> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? >>>>> It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may >> well >>>>> have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I >>>>> can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of >> existing >>>>> numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name >>>>> applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union >> Street >>>>> West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gavin Bell >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bethany Have you ever tried using Google's Streetview to see the area for yourself? eg: this is the streetview for the Lloyds TSB branch on the corner of School Road today. http://goo.gl/maps/w1CrB Hope this helps and gives you ideas to others about viewing how places their ancestors lived look today from the comfort of your own armchair. > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:27:51 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers > > I found that the house in which my father lived as > a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in > Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According > to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar > east to King Street, and from King Street to the > shore was open ground on which the local children > played, according to him. After WW2, that open > area was built over, and School Road was extended > east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive > was built across the front of the church (or so it > appears on maps -- I've never actually been to > Aberdeen myself) and the name of the new street > was extended to the original School Road as far as > King Street. A cousin visiting the city from > Canada investigated for me while making a tourist > trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 > School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have > been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a > photo of same. As I have two photos of my father > as a boy in front of and behind their house, it > doesn't look as if the old structure was reused > for the bank building. > > His maternal grandparents lived in Charles Street > at that time, around the years of WW1, but my > understanding is that that street was heavily > bombed in WW2 and either was rebuilt or paved over > for a new wider street. My cousin didn't have time > to go there and see, and relied on what her tour > guide told her when she asked about the street. > > Margaret Gibbs > > > > On 25/11/2013 6:39 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: > > On 25/11/2013 00:34, Malcolm Ward wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I wonder if anyone can tell me if street numbers in Aberdeen have changed > >> since, say, the 1860s? > >> > >> > >> > >> I have looked in the PO Directories and maps of the time and as far as I can > >> tell, 31 Albyn Place in 1865 is the same building as now. But I have a > >> bunch of other addresses, including on Union Street. So do I need to check > >> each one off, or can I rely on all the old numbers being the same (except > >> for maybe splits in allotments I guess)? > > > > It might be safer not to make assumptions. Some street numbers may well > > have changed, and I know for a fact that some street names have. I > > can't say for certain whether there were any re-arrangements of existing > > numbers on Union Street, but when it was first laid out, the name > > applied only as far west as Union Bridge - beyond that was Union Street > > West, and west of today's Summer Street it became Union Place. > > > > > > Gavin Bell > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I used to visit Aberdeen often as a child from Dundee in the 1940s. I spent a lot of time at my Great Grandmother's house on School Road Perhaps my memories from that time might be helpful. Some random stream-of-conciousness then:- School road ran East-West and ended near the beach on the East. There used to be a wood and metal mesh fence, quite high, with a pedestrian opening we went through to get to the beach. Starting at the fence and heading West there were quite a number of small tenements on the left (South). My Great Grandmother lived there. The tenements were quite modern - probably built in the 1930s or 40s. There was a whole development of similar houses. I think they are still there. On the right (North) side there are now blocks of retirees flats. Traveling farther West there were bungalows on the right as School Road neared King Street. I don't remember if the tenements extended all the way to King Street. The King Street junction now has a roundabout, but at the time I remember the King Street trams went straight over, out to the Don. At the junction there were (and are) shops on both sides to the North. I don't remember what was on the South side. We never went West beyond the junction so I can't speak for what might have been there. However, there were no schools or official buildings that I can remember on the stretch of road I described. Hope someone finds this useful! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:53:54 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen street numbers On 25/11/2013 17:27, [email protected] wrote: > I found that the house in which my father lived as > a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in > Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According > to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar > east to King Street, and from King Street to the > shore was open ground on which the local children > played, according to him. After WW2, that open > area was built over, and School Road was extended > east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive > was built across the front of the church (or so it > appears on maps -- I've never actually been to > Aberdeen myself) No. St Machar Drive lies 200-300 yards to the south of St Machar's Cathedral. You can't see the one from the other. St Machar's Drive does go close behind the 18th-Century Old Aberdeen Town House. > and the name of the new street > was extended to the original School Road as far as > King Street. A cousin visiting the city from > Canada investigated for me while making a tourist > trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 > School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have > been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a > photo of same. As I have two photos of my father > as a boy in front of and behind their house, it > doesn't look as if the old structure was reused > for the bank building. The earliest accurate map that I can find which shows part of this area is the 1866-67 Ordnance Survey large-scale map, which includes the Old Aberdeen Town House and streets immediately adjacent. At this date, the line of School Road is labelled "New Street", and shows just 3 buildings on the south side of the road: "Bell's School", "Grammar School" and "School". There are no buidings on the north side. The next detailed map I can find is an Ordnance Survey 6" sheet unhelpfully dated "1892-1905". It shows "School Road" running as far as King Street but with just the same 3 buildings (although they are not named). Next up is a "Plan of the City of Aberdeen revised up to date" of 1916. This shows no significant change to the buildings on the street. The next plan I have (provisionally dated 1938) shows St Machar Drive, but not in sufficient detail to tell what buildings there were. Until 1955, I lived no great distance from School Road, but cannot recollect what buildings there were other than a block of shops (still standing) on the NW corner of the junction with King Street, and to the west of that, a number of small bungalows (also still standing). I cannot recall what (if anything) lay on the south side of School Road. A large tower block was built (1960s?) on the SW corner of the King Street junction. This initially housed the School of Agriculture, and now contains other departments of Aberdeen University. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/11/2013 17:27, [email protected] wrote: > I found that the house in which my father lived as > a child between 1912-1922, No. 6 School Road in > Old Aberdeen, appears to have vanished. According > to maps of the time, School Road ran from Dunbar > east to King Street, and from King Street to the > shore was open ground on which the local children > played, according to him. After WW2, that open > area was built over, and School Road was extended > east of King Street. Meanwhile, St Machar Drive > was built across the front of the church (or so it > appears on maps -- I've never actually been to > Aberdeen myself) No. St Machar Drive lies 200-300 yards to the south of St Machar's Cathedral. You can't see the one from the other. St Machar's Drive does go close behind the 18th-Century Old Aberdeen Town House. > and the name of the new street > was extended to the original School Road as far as > King Street. A cousin visiting the city from > Canada investigated for me while making a tourist > trip to the church, but said where she assumed #6 > School Road, now #? St Machar Drive, would have > been was now a bank and parking lot, and took a > photo of same. As I have two photos of my father > as a boy in front of and behind their house, it > doesn't look as if the old structure was reused > for the bank building. The earliest accurate map that I can find which shows part of this area is the 1866-67 Ordnance Survey large-scale map, which includes the Old Aberdeen Town House and streets immediately adjacent. At this date, the line of School Road is labelled "New Street", and shows just 3 buildings on the south side of the road: "Bell's School", "Grammar School" and "School". There are no buidings on the north side. The next detailed map I can find is an Ordnance Survey 6" sheet unhelpfully dated "1892-1905". It shows "School Road" running as far as King Street but with just the same 3 buildings (although they are not named). Next up is a "Plan of the City of Aberdeen revised up to date" of 1916. This shows no significant change to the buildings on the street. The next plan I have (provisionally dated 1938) shows St Machar Drive, but not in sufficient detail to tell what buildings there were. Until 1955, I lived no great distance from School Road, but cannot recollect what buildings there were other than a block of shops (still standing) on the NW corner of the junction with King Street, and to the west of that, a number of small bungalows (also still standing). I cannot recall what (if anything) lay on the south side of School Road. A large tower block was built (1960s?) on the SW corner of the King Street junction. This initially housed the School of Agriculture, and now contains other departments of Aberdeen University. Gavin Bell

Thanks for your thoughts, Janet. We haven't looked at DALGARNO wills as we are concentrating on the 16thC & 17thC MELDRUMS. However, we have found many wills on Scotland's People which have helped sort out various relationships of the 18thC families. There are often curiosities in who is named as witness and/or executors/guarantors. It has enabled us to find some older generational connections. The one DALGARNO in the Peerage is not one of ours. He one date is 1815 [marriage] and we know, for the moment, all the relatives about that time. If we do go further back to try to find out about the Kirkmichael MELDRUM lines, Mary might be relevant. As you now from my last posting, we are aware of the name variants and look carefully for them. Thanks again Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 25 November 2013 14:22, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > Ray, and any one else at the end of a trail, whilst it may not apply here, > if your family > are landed it is worth looking for a Will. > If they do own land you could check out this site > http://www.thepeerage.com/ to start > with. Maybe you have. > There is one DALGARNO there but source is not known. > You may find, as I did that names change and appear to be closely related. > Suddenly I found children of a seemingly unrelated family changed their > family or surname. > The cause of it was that one Charles Wedderburn was succeeded by his > nephew David Graham > who died unmarried and was followed by his brother John, on the death of > whom was also > unmarried. The Trust wording provided that "whom failing on the heirs > male and female > of the substitutes in the entail of succession, the heir in possession to > bear the surname > and arms of Wedderburn of Pearsie and none other. .................the > estate went to > Katharine Stormonth (wife of the Rev. James Maclagan, and daughter of > Alexander Stormonth > of Kinclune) who thereupon assumed the name" By that time Katharine was a > widow with > children of her marriage and I could easily have overlooked what appeared > to be > coincidentally duplicate children with similar identities. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hennessy" <[email protected]> > To: "Aberdeen List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] DALGARNO > > > > Thanks laura > > > > It was a forlorn hope as the DALGARNO/DALGARDNO/DALGARDEN lines are very > > numerous but not too well documented so I have little hope at the moment > of > > finding my way past 1803/4 [approx] > > > > Don't worry about delays - they are quite common in this research. We > have > > a 6 month hiatus in our MELDRUM researches at the moment and Sheena's > fifth > > cousin is getting a bit impatient! > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >