Gavin, I should have acknowledged this information earlier. I follow what you say about the complexities of records. Appreciating the purpose and value of purchasing a document I tend to use as much information from it as I can when writing up my own records, to get the most from it. I found a page on Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research../VRs-notes-of-parishes.html about Parishes, and in it, we are referred elsewhere to Scotland's Places http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ There is a wealth of information from the links on the main page. For instance, "City of Aberdeen" http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/partner/aberdeen?class=city&id=50 to explain the boundary changes which I hope Listers will find useful and informative. "A city in the north east of Scotland. The burgh of Aberdeen was founded during the reign of David I (1124-53). Boundary extensions swallowed up parts of Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire, including the separate burghs of Old Aberdeen and Woodside, in 1891. Aberdeen became a county of a city in 1900. In 1975 the city became part of the City of Aberdeen District and Grampian Regional. These in turn were replaced by Aberdeen City Council in 1996, under the terms of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1994. The parishes of Peterculter, Dyce, Newhills and the Bridge of Don area of Old Machar parish were incorporated into the City of Aberdeen District in 1974 and thence into Aberdeen City in 1996." Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> On 27/12/2013 12:45, Janet wrote: > Subject to what has already been said in this thread I would prefer to write up my > records using correct place names, appropriate to what they were at the time the > person lived there; upon reference to just a map, perhaps. The trouble with that is: (1) Many of the older sources are parish records, and the parishes were not originally assigned to any counties. The Kirk grouped sets of parishes into Presbyteries, and grouped Presbyteries into Synods. The Counties were divisions associated with the King's administration of justice, and unsurprisingly, there was little overlap of boundaries between the two systems. The individual citizen would certainly have known what parish he lived in, and might well have known that he lived in Buchan or Strathbogie - but it is far from clear that he would have known what county any of these places were deemed to lie in. the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

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On 27/12/2013 12:45, Janet wrote: > Subject to what has already been said in this thread I would prefer to write up my > records using correct place names, appropriate to what they were at the time the > person lived there; upon reference to just a map, perhaps. The trouble with that is: (1) Many of the older sources are parish records, and the parishes were not originally assigned to any counties. The Kirk grouped sets of parishes into Presbyteries, and grouped Presbyteries into Synods. The Counties were divisions associated with the King's administration of justice, and unsurprisingly, there was little overlap of boundaries between the two systems. The individual citizen would certainly have known what parish he lived in, and might well have known that he lived in Buchan or Strathbogie - but it is far from clear that he would have known what county any of these places were deemed to lie in. (2) Cartographers had similar problems. Early maps of Scotland (such as Mercator's, Speed's and Blaeu's) certainly divide the country up, but while some of their divisions approximate to the territory and names of counties that we might recognise ("Rosse", "Murray" and "Argile"), they showed numerous others which are not equivalent, either in extent or name ("Buquhan", "Marria", "Ainzia") with any counties we would recognise. (3) The county names under which the majority of genealogical resources (OPRs, Civil BDMs, Census, Poor Law) are catalogued are often not those which might have been current when our ancestors walked the earth, but rather those which were in force when the said resources were indexed. This indexing happened in the mid to late 20th century, so you find that GROS, NRH, ScotlandsPeople, NLS etc tend to use "Angus" rather than "Forfarshire", "Moray" rather than "Elginshire", etc. (4) The major boundary changes of 1891 could mean (for example) that someone who lived in certain parts of Banffshire on 14th May 1891 would have woken up on 15th May of that year as a citizen of "Elginshire" - and if they survived another 30 years or so, they would have found themselves in "Moray". And if they were quite young in 1891, they could well still have been around to discover themsleves (from 1975) denizens of "Grampian Region". So what would be the "correct" name for the county where they lived? Fot these various reasons, it seems to me pointless to try and declare any particular county label as "correct", any more than to say that any particular spelling of a personal name is correct. If our ancestors could accommodate such variations, why can't we? I can manage to get my head round the notion that, while my father came from the county of Angus, his father was born in Forfarshire. But if you absolutely insist on a single label for the county, you can always fall back on the 3-letter "Chapman Code" - in this instance: ANS. Gavin Bell

Janet said > "For a more detailed look at how county boundaries have changed over time, take a  look at the detailed county maps .http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html  wherein there are maps listing Counties Pre 1890 and thereafter until 1929 and 1975 I'm afraid that these maps are far from accurate -  particularly as regards the Argyll / Inverness-shire boundary - and I would not recommend their use.  For example the Small Isles are shown totally in Inverness-shire which didn't happen until 1890.  Prior to this 4 out of the 5 islands were in Argyll.  Also, in the Clyde estuary, the Cumbraes are shown as being in Ayrshire whereas they were in Bute.  etc Regards Les

There was a joint parish called "Abenethy and Kincardine" in Inverness-shire when our family was there in the late 1700s. >From Genuki the Parish of Abenethy ["Kincardine" seems to have been dropped] has been part in Inverness-shire and part in Elgin [now Moray] [e.g. in 1868]ut is now fully included in the former. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 27 December 2013 12:45, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Subject to what has already been said in this thread I would prefer to > write up my > records using correct place names, appropriate to what they were at the > time the > person lived there; upon reference to just a map, perhaps. I struggle > with Angus > rather than Forfarshire for purely personal reasons. There is a place > "Kincardine" > on the Forth, in Fife, and a Castle Kincardine, Aberdeenshire and County > Kincardineshire known as "the Mearns" before it became part of > Aberdeenshire which > perhaps gives rise to a need to strive for what applied at the time. I am > sure > someone could expand upon it. > > Having had some practical application and experience of changing > boundaries under > Local government reorganisation in England & Wales, I dont think its a bad > idea for > our genealogy to check the position, if only from a map that applied at > the time. I > am sure we might find a similar topic in the archives of this List. > I seem to remember offering this link before > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ where > counties are listed. Further down the page it states > "For a more detailed look at how county boundaries have changed over time, > take a > look at the detailed county maps. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html > wherein there are maps listing Counties Pre 1890 and thereafter until 1929 > and 1975 > which I think *radically* changed local government constituency boundaries > in the > United Kingdom as a whole. There are also other links on the page > containing > information related to all of Scotland. > > Janet > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Subject to what has already been said in this thread I would prefer to write up my records using correct place names, appropriate to what they were at the time the person lived there; upon reference to just a map, perhaps. I struggle with Angus rather than Forfarshire for purely personal reasons. There is a place "Kincardine" on the Forth, in Fife, and a Castle Kincardine, Aberdeenshire and County Kincardineshire known as "the Mearns" before it became part of Aberdeenshire which perhaps gives rise to a need to strive for what applied at the time. I am sure someone could expand upon it. Having had some practical application and experience of changing boundaries under Local government reorganisation in England & Wales, I dont think its a bad idea for our genealogy to check the position, if only from a map that applied at the time. I am sure we might find a similar topic in the archives of this List. I seem to remember offering this link before http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ where counties are listed. Further down the page it states "For a more detailed look at how county boundaries have changed over time, take a look at the detailed county maps.http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html wherein there are maps listing Counties Pre 1890 and thereafter until 1929 and 1975 which I think *radically* changed local government constituency boundaries in the United Kingdom as a whole. There are also other links on the page containing information related to all of Scotland. Janet --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 26/12/2013 16:49, bethanyc@aebc.com wrote: > On 26/12/2013 3:02 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: > > "Aberdeen" is the city, the wider county is > "Aberdeenshire". > > > I have the counties of Ross and Inverness further > up the tree of my Aberdeenshire ancestors. Is the > correct way to punctuate their names to insert a > hyphen: Inverness-shire ? That's the way I've > usually found it, but occasionally I see the > snakelike Invernessshire, I don't know about "correct" but I tend to use "Ross-shire" and "Inverness-shire" as being less clumsy. > and a few writers have > waffled and use "the county of Inverness". It's a bit unfair to call that "waffling"! "County of X" is a perfectly acceptable (and widely-used) alternative to "X-shire". It does at least maintain the useful distinction between the county and its capital town. > Is their any reason other than traditional usage ... as a general principle, I would suggest that "traditional usage" is how most language develops - you will look in vain for any signs of logic behind most language changes. Laziness and fashion are the most common drivers of linguistic change ... > for Scottish counties to almost always include the > "shire" > syllable, whereas the English counties vary > widely? Always Yorkshire, for example, but never > Cornwallshire -- and then there are off and on > ones like Devon/Devonshire. Your premiss is faulty. For a good part of my lifetime there have been numerous non "-shire" counties in Scotland. In the Northeast alone, we have Moray and Kincardine, and a little way to the south we have Angus. Further afield are Orkney, Shetland, Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty (which were amalgamated in 1891), Fife, West Lothian, Midlothian and East Lothian. And there are others which seem to treat the "-shire" suffix as optional, such as Bute, Clackmannan and Kinross. In the 19th century there was a more concerted effort to imitate English usage in naming the county after its chief town, which gave us jaw-breakers like Elginshire, Forfarshire and the immortal trilogy of Linlithgowshire, Edinburghshire and Haddingtonshire. Gavin Bell

Message sent to them, and thanks for your interest as well. Also thanks to Janet and the other kind person who suggested the plumber with the same name.....bit of a walk for me to go there!! Thanks for your help. God Bless you all in the New Year!! Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Howard Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:05 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: Hi again from Kamloops!! Goldi, can I suggest, if no other home can be found, to donate the Bible to the John Gray Centre in Haddington. (see www.eastlothian.gov.uk/news/article/1059/haddington_library_reopens and www.johngraycentre.org) They have an excellent genealogy section as well as highest-standard archives - I went there in March this year chasing my Haddington PRESTON family and was impressed - the family history facilities are miles ahead of their old place that was round the back of Tescos. Tranent is only a couple of miles away and I'm sure is in their catchment area. Howard Geddes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Goldie, Compliments of the season! I like the purpose. You're thinking they might have originated in North Scotland? I think I have them. Into the 1881 census I typed the address and brought up Andrew Innes aged 68 and Mary A. Innes 58 at New Row with John Innes aged 23 who is their son. 1891 census I typed the address and brought up Mary Ann Rutherford born abt 1816 Inveresk, Edinburgh, aged 65 without her husband, and Andrew Innes aged 6, born abt 1885, Grandson, residing in Tranent where Andrew is a scholar. In 1891 New Row again, John Innes 32 is married to Mary Ann aged 27 and he's a coal miner. Into 1901 typing in the address and "INNES" in the surname one finds more; Alexander and Elizabeth with son James b 1852 residing at 11 New Row, and he's a coal miner. The closest of course if Mary Ann Rutherford who likely died between 1891 and 1901. I am not sure where we go from there with any certainty. I saw the marriage with Hardy. I wondered at first if you had searched in Find a Grave and thought to post it here in case other Listers dont know of it. http://www.findagrave.com/ I have found a link to it a number of times in suggested records and it finds graves all over the world because it has subscribers who prefer to input their information into burials. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldie & Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:20 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Fw: Hi again from Kamloops!! > Re: Hi again from Kamloops!!I am trying to find a home for this Innes > Bible..........there is no family info in it, only a name ANDREW INNES, NEW ROW > TRANENT............I bought it from someone who snooped and saw that I was an INNES > researcher. Well, my thought was to find it a home with someone who was of this family. > If anyone has the time or would know how to track this, it would be good to GIVE it to > someone who wanted it in the family. I don’t rescue strays......animals, I refer > to.......but stray things like this, I just cannot sit back and see them tossed in the > garbage bin. It’s been some time since I tried to track this down, so if anyone is up > to the challenge, go to it..........below is the message I had posted a quite a few > years back. It apparently came to Canada with someone, but that I cannot verify. Goldie > ********* > The Bible has come today and here is the info in it. On the front inside fly leaf, > "This Bible belongs to Andrew Innes written by George Innes New Row Tranent March 7th > 1872." > On the inside back, last page, "This Bible belongs to Andrew Innes New Row Tranent > Writen by Andrew Innes New Row Tranent" > It was published in February 28, 1868. TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES, BY > THE GRACE OF GOD, KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c. > Front page, THE HOLY BIBLE containing the Old and New Testaments: Translated out of the > original tongues; and with the former translations deiligently compared and revised by > his Majesty's Special Command. > Appointed to be read in Churches. Printed by Authority and the seal under it. > Inside front cover: NATIONAL BIBLE SOCIETY REDUCED TO 3S. FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO > PAY FULL PRICE. > > On the inside back cover. Published at 4s.6d., to be sold at 3s. each. No discount. > Sold at this low price by the liberality of Christian Friends, aided by a grant from the > National Bible Society. EXCULUSIVELY FOR WORKING PEOPLE. > Religious Tract and Book Society of Scotland, Edinburgh. > *********** > As near as I can figure out Andrew Innes is the son of Andrew Innes and Mary Ann > Rutherford who married 22 Jun 1838 in Prestonpans, East Lothian. They had 8 children > that show on the IGI~~ Two male Innes b 1839, 1840, Margaret Innes 1844, Elizabeth Innes > 1846, Archibald 1848, Mary Ann 1851, Andrew 1856, and John Rutherford 1858. According > to the 1871 census this George fits in between Mary Ann and Andrew, and there is a James > who is missing, 1780. All are born in Tranent, East Lothian. James married in 1805 to > Marion Hardy, I think. Andrew Senior, was a coal miner, and also born in Tranent. He > died in January of 1886. > ********** > now if we can find this old Bible a loving home, it would be wonderful. And thanks for > your help. Goldie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Goldi, can I suggest, if no other home can be found, to donate the Bible to the John Gray Centre in Haddington. (see www.eastlothian.gov.uk/news/article/1059/haddington_library_reopens and www.johngraycentre.org) They have an excellent genealogy section as well as highest-standard archives - I went there in March this year chasing my Haddington PRESTON family and was impressed - the family history facilities are miles ahead of their old place that was round the back of Tescos. Tranent is only a couple of miles away and I'm sure is in their catchment area. Howard Geddes

On 26/12/2013 00:19, Gaele Arnott wrote: > Merry christmas to all > My ancestry (John Brebner and Isobell Robertson) came from Tarland, Aberdeen > via Canada to Australia. It would be more accurate to say they came from Tarland, AberdeenSHIRE. "Aberdeen" is the city, the wider county is "Aberdeenshire". It might also be worth pointing out that the full name of the parish is "Tarland and Migvie". If you haven't already checked them, you will find an index to the monumental inscriptions of both kirkyards (Tarland and Migvie) at: http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/miindex/miindex.php Gavin Bell

> On 26/12/2013 16:49, bethanyc@aebc.com wrote: >> On 26/12/2013 3:02 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: >> >> "Aberdeen" is the city, the wider county is >> "Aberdeenshire". >> >> >> I have the counties of Ross and Inverness further >> up the tree of my Aberdeenshire ancestors. Is the >> correct way to punctuate their names to insert a >> hyphen: Inverness-shire ? That's the way I've >> usually found it, but occasionally I see the >> snakelike Invernessshire, > > I don't know about "correct" but I tend to use "Ross-shire" and > "Inverness-shire" as being less clumsy. Definitely less clumsy in appearance. I just wondered if there was some rule, amongst cartographers, for example, to use the hyphen. In my alternative career of indexing we have our own rules to ensure conformity, amongst professional indexers in their own countries, at least. >> and a few writers have >> waffled and use "the county of Inverness". > It's a bit unfair to call that "waffling"! "County of X" is a perfectly > acceptable (and widely-used) alternative to "X-shire". It does at least > maintain the useful distinction between the county and its capital town. > "Waffled" was intended to be a joke. I had a lighthearted vision of a frustrated writer trying it both with and without the hyphen, not liking it either way, and falling back on "county of" as an alternative. >> Is their any reason other than traditional usage > ... as a general principle, I would suggest that "traditional usage" is > how most language develops - you will look in vain for any signs of > logic behind most language changes. Laziness and fashion are the most > common drivers of linguistic change ... Of course. I used to explain that to my university students in the linguistics courses I taught, the basic first-year course in general linguistics and the postgraduate courses in onomastics and the history of the English language. > >> for Scottish counties to almost always include the >> "shire" >> syllable, whereas the English counties vary >> widely? Always Yorkshire, for example, but never >> Cornwallshire -- and then there are off and on >> ones like Devon/Devonshire. > Your premiss is faulty. For a good part of my lifetime there have been > numerous non "-shire" counties in Scotland. Not a premise, merely an observation. By "almost always" I meant that I more often see, in general usage, the "-shire" added to Scottish counties than I do to English ones, but not in all cases. > In the Northeast alone, we > have Moray and Kincardine, Interesting. My relatives from those parts say Morayshire and Kincardineshire. (Mind you, the latter name is used in a joking way because of its length in comparison to the size of the county.) And yes, I do know that the boundaries and official names keep changing, etc etc. My family members are generalizing when they say "Morayshire", and are sometimes referring to their own memories and sometimes to research into their ancestry in past centuries. > and a little way to the south we have Angus. > Further afield are Orkney, Shetland, Caithness, Sutherland, Ross My ancestors moved south from there long before amalgamation. The few records I have for them say Ross-shire. However, given that those records are from the late 17th century and early 18th century, one assumes the usual "personal choice of the writer" and not an official rule. Perhaps it's just coincidence that the four or five references I have, from different villages and different generations, all use the full name. > and > Cromarty (which were amalgamated in 1891), Fife My mother-in-law, from Wemyss, fiercely insisted on "kingdom of Fife". Woe betide anyone who referred to "county of Fife" or "Fifeshire" in her hearing :-) ! Her maternal grandmother was from "the kingdom of Cornwall, not 'the county'", she always insisted. (Why do I feel compelled to add that those were idiosyncratic to her vocabulary and were then used affectionately by her relatives to please her? The terms may be official or not, may be used by many or only a few. That's not the point. I'm only giving a personal example and laughing -- affectionately -- as I remember how we used to tease her by saying "Fifeshire. Oops, I mean the Kingdom of Fife! Sorry, Eleanor!".) > > In the 19th century there was a more concerted effort to imitate English > usage in naming the county after its chief town, which gave us > jaw-breakers like Elginshire, Forfarshire and the immortal trilogy of > Linlithgowshire, Edinburghshire and Haddingtonshire. Oh, thank you, I like those :-) ! I've just made a note of them, to work them into a guest lecture in onomastics sometime! Margaret Gibbs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Merry christmas to all My ancestry (John Brebner and Isobell Robertson) came from Tarland, Aberdeen via Canada to Australia. (John Brebner (Tarland, Aberdeen) and Mary Rennie(Perth to Australia) to Australia. Their tombstones are at Mathinna, Tasmania. There are no direct male Brebners left from their family of 3 boys and 4 girls. Only the girls had children. My great grandmother, daughter of John and Mary, was Annie Christina married to John Crawford, born in Tasmania but believed to be from a family in Scotland. John Crawford's father was born in Middlesex. We have no proof, other than family stories that any further ancestry was from Scotland. A few years ago I also made it to Aberdeen for New Year. My son, his partner and I were in Edinburgh when everything was snowed in so we went by bus instead of train back to London. Next time, if I make it that far it will have to be in summer. >From an Australian with Aberdeen heritage, I wish you all a very Merry Season. Gaele Arnott nee Moore Brisbane Australia ---Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2013 7:43 AM To: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk; aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 'tis odd. I didnt receive it from this List, but did for another that was included. Had it not been for Fran's I didnt check the recipient list Merry Chissmas any way. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <aberdeentosh@shaw.co>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Hi all Going by the number of e-mails I've received thanking me for mine I think most of Aberdeenshire must have emigrated to Canada at some time :) Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 26/12/2013 3:02 AM, Gavin Bell wrote: "Aberdeen" is the city, the wider county is "Aberdeenshire". I have the counties of Ross and Inverness further up the tree of my Aberdeenshire ancestors. Is the correct way to punctuate their names to insert a hyphen: Inverness-shire ? That's the way I've usually found it, but occasionally I see the snakelike Invernessshire, and a few writers have waffled and use "the county of Inverness". Is their any reason other than traditional usage for Scottish counties to almost always include the "shire" syllable, whereas the English counties vary widely? Always Yorkshire, for example, but never Cornwallshire -- and then there are off and on ones like Devon/Devonshire. Margaret Gibbs To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please post some dates......many will try to help........Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Gaele Arnott Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:19 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] seasons greetings Merry christmas to all My ancestry (John Brebner and Isobell Robertson) came from Tarland, Aberdeen via Canada to Australia. (John Brebner (Tarland, Aberdeen) and Mary Rennie(Perth to Australia) to Australia. Their tombstones are at Mathinna, Tasmania. There are no direct male Brebners left from their family of 3 boys and 4 girls. Only the girls had children. My great grandmother, daughter of John and Mary, was Annie Christina married to John Crawford, born in Tasmania but believed to be from a family in Scotland. John Crawford's father was born in Middlesex. We have no proof, other than family stories that any further ancestry was from Scotland. A few years ago I also made it to Aberdeen for New Year. My son, his partner and I were in Edinburgh when everything was snowed in so we went by bus instead of train back to London. Next time, if I make it that far it will have to be in summer. >From an Australian with Aberdeen heritage, I wish you all a very Merry Season. Gaele Arnott nee Moore Brisbane Australia ---Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: Wednesday, 25 December 2013 7:43 AM To: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk; aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 'tis odd. I didnt receive it from this List, but did for another that was included. Had it not been for Fran's I didnt check the recipient list Merry Chissmas any way. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <aberdeentosh@shaw.co>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Hi all Going by the number of e-mails I've received thanking me for mine I think most of Aberdeenshire must have emigrated to Canada at some time :) Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re: Hi again from Kamloops!!I am trying to find a home for this Innes Bible..........there is no family info in it, only a name ANDREW INNES, NEW ROW TRANENT............I bought it from someone who snooped and saw that I was an INNES researcher. Well, my thought was to find it a home with someone who was of this family. If anyone has the time or would know how to track this, it would be good to GIVE it to someone who wanted it in the family. I don’t rescue strays......animals, I refer to.......but stray things like this, I just cannot sit back and see them tossed in the garbage bin. It’s been some time since I tried to track this down, so if anyone is up to the challenge, go to it..........below is the message I had posted a quite a few years back. It apparently came to Canada with someone, but that I cannot verify. Goldie ********* The Bible has come today and here is the info in it. On the front inside fly leaf, "This Bible belongs to Andrew Innes written by George Innes New Row Tranent March 7th 1872." On the inside back, last page, "This Bible belongs to Andrew Innes New Row Tranent Writen by Andrew Innes New Row Tranent" It was published in February 28, 1868. TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c. Front page, THE HOLY BIBLE containing the Old and New Testaments: Translated out of the original tongues; and with the former translations deiligently compared and revised by his Majesty's Special Command. Appointed to be read in Churches. Printed by Authority and the seal under it. Inside front cover: NATIONAL BIBLE SOCIETY REDUCED TO 3S. FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO PAY FULL PRICE. On the inside back cover. Published at 4s.6d., to be sold at 3s. each. No discount. Sold at this low price by the liberality of Christian Friends, aided by a grant from the National Bible Society. EXCULUSIVELY FOR WORKING PEOPLE. Religious Tract and Book Society of Scotland, Edinburgh. *********** As near as I can figure out Andrew Innes is the son of Andrew Innes and Mary Ann Rutherford who married 22 Jun 1838 in Prestonpans, East Lothian. They had 8 children that show on the IGI~~ Two male Innes b 1839, 1840, Margaret Innes 1844, Elizabeth Innes 1846, Archibald 1848, Mary Ann 1851, Andrew 1856, and John Rutherford 1858. According to the 1871 census this George fits in between Mary Ann and Andrew, and there is a James who is missing, 1780. All are born in Tranent, East Lothian. James married in 1805 to Marion Hardy, I think. Andrew Senior, was a coal miner, and also born in Tranent. He died in January of 1886. ********** now if we can find this old Bible a loving home, it would be wonderful. And thanks for your help. Goldie

To all on the Aberdeen list, Merry Christmas Bob and Lois Wallace Formerly of Dayton, Nevada, now living in Fort Worth, Texas

'tis odd. I didnt receive it from this List, but did for another that was included. Had it not been for Fran's I didnt check the recipient list Merry Chissmas any way. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <aberdeentosh@shaw.co>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Hi all Going by the number of e-mails I've received thanking me for mine I think most of Aberdeenshire must have emigrated to Canada at some time :) Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi all Going by the number of e-mails I've received thanking me for mine I think most of Aberdeenshire must have emigrated to Canada at some time :) Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Yes, all present and accounted for......:) back to you.........Goldie -----Original Message----- From: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:59 AM To: aberdeentosh@shaw.co ; aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ABERDEEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 232 Hi all Going by the number of e-mails I've received thanking me for mine I think most of Aberdeenshire must have emigrated to Canada at some time :) Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message