Thanks for this, at least I now know the general location. Sharon On 25/01/2014 09:54, B&A Smith wrote: > This name doesn't seem to appear in the OS name books (mid 19th C), so > it's precise situation is difficult to pinpoint. The authors of "The Placenames of Upper Deeside" give it as 405978 (which presumably means NO 405978). Their authority for this is a little unclear, but they took their information from published and archival sources, as well as from living informants. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/01/2014 09:54, B&A Smith wrote: > This name doesn't seem to appear in the OS name books (mid 19th C), so it's > precise situation is difficult to pinpoint. The authors of "The Placenames of Upper Deeside" give it as 405978 (which presumably means NO 405978). Their authority for this is a little unclear, but they took their information from published and archival sources, as well as from living informants. Gavin Bell

Hi all Just wondering if anyone can identify the location of the Style of Tullich. It appears a few times in the Parish Registers for Glenmuick, Glengairn and Tullich but I would be interested in the exact location. Any help appreciated. Sharon http://birsefolk.id.au/ researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE

Jen, I do not have a death certificate for John. I checked this morning on SP using the parameters of death between 1891 and 1898 (Ann's Death) but nothing came up that looked to be correct. I want to assume that his death would be recorded somewhere close to where he lived. Jo-Anne > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:27:24 +1100 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > Hi Jo-Anne, > > Do you have John SMITH's death certificate and if so, are his parents names > listed? > > Thanks, > Jen. > > On: Saturday, January 25, 2014 Jo-Anne Huber wrote: > Subject: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > > > My resolution for the New Year has been to organize each member of my > > Family Tree. I wanted to see what information I had and what I still > > needed. Which brings me to my dilemma. > > > > John SMITH b. 1834 in Monquhitter, married Ann MASSIE in Lonmay on 4 June > > 1853. They went on to have 15 children. > > > > In 1861, John and Ann are living at Garvel Croft, Tyrie, New Pitsligo > > along with 4 of their children. Also listed are: John McCartney, > > step-father, 71, Linen Weaver and Margaret McCartney, Mother, 61. > > 07/04/1861 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1861 227/0B 005/00 010) > > > > By 1871 this family is living at Woodhead of Gonar, Tyrie, New Pitsligo. > > John MCCARTNEY, step-father is still with them but is identified as a > > widower. 02/04/1871 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1871 227/0B 005/0B 003) > > > > Margaret MCCARTNEY would have died sometime between 1861 and 1871. > > > > I do know that neither are related to Ann MASSIE. That leaves me to > > believe that they are somehow related to John SMITH, but how? I have > > James SMITH and Isobel LAING as John's parents according to OPR Births: > > 223/ 0030 0119 Monquhitter. I have checked the MI's at ANESFHS for both > > Margaret MCCARTNEY and Margaret RUSSEL with no luck. However, I have not > > checked ScotlandsPeople yet. At this point, I am open to any and all > > suggestions. Regards,Jo-Anne Smith-HuberANESFHS # 16407 > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jo-Anne, Do you have John SMITH's death certificate and if so, are his parents names listed? Thanks, Jen. On: Saturday, January 25, 2014 Jo-Anne Huber wrote: Subject: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > My resolution for the New Year has been to organize each member of my > Family Tree. I wanted to see what information I had and what I still > needed. Which brings me to my dilemma. > > John SMITH b. 1834 in Monquhitter, married Ann MASSIE in Lonmay on 4 June > 1853. They went on to have 15 children. > > In 1861, John and Ann are living at Garvel Croft, Tyrie, New Pitsligo > along with 4 of their children. Also listed are: John McCartney, > step-father, 71, Linen Weaver and Margaret McCartney, Mother, 61. > 07/04/1861 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1861 227/0B 005/00 010) > > By 1871 this family is living at Woodhead of Gonar, Tyrie, New Pitsligo. > John MCCARTNEY, step-father is still with them but is identified as a > widower. 02/04/1871 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1871 227/0B 005/0B 003) > > Margaret MCCARTNEY would have died sometime between 1861 and 1871. > > I do know that neither are related to Ann MASSIE. That leaves me to > believe that they are somehow related to John SMITH, but how? I have > James SMITH and Isobel LAING as John's parents according to OPR Births: > 223/ 0030 0119 Monquhitter. I have checked the MI's at ANESFHS for both > Margaret MCCARTNEY and Margaret RUSSEL with no luck. However, I have not > checked ScotlandsPeople yet. At this point, I am open to any and all > suggestions. Regards,Jo-Anne Smith-HuberANESFHS # 16407 the subject and the body of the message

On 25/01/2014 05:29, Sharon wrote: > Hi all > > Just wondering if anyone can identify the location of the Style of Tullich. > It appears a few times in the Parish Registers for Glenmuick, Glengairn and > Tullich but I would be interested in the exact location. I cannot find it shown on any map, and it does not figure in the Ordnance Survey "Index to Places" for the parish, but "The Placenames of Upper Deeside" has it as follows: "A former farm west of Cambus o' May, at the beginning of the Tullich farmlands. The Stile of Tullich was later a public house on the roadside." A suggested map reference of NO405978 would place it in what is now an area of woodland. Gavin Bell

This name doesn't seem to appear in the OS name books (mid 19th C), so it's precise situation is difficult to pinpoint. A similar name occurs in Gartly parish: Kirkstyle, which is possibly the equivalent of Kirkton in other parishes, i.e. the settlement around the Kirk. One definition of 'stile' given by the Concise Scots Dictionary is an area of shelter or enclosure for animals. I don't think this helps much in the case of Tullich though... In OPR records the witnesses were often close neighbours - is it possible to get a rough idea of its location using this strategy? Alison On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Sharon <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > Just wondering if anyone can identify the location of the Style of Tullich. > It appears a few times in the Parish Registers for Glenmuick, Glengairn and > Tullich but I would be interested in the exact location. > > Any help appreciated. > > > Sharon > http://birsefolk.id.au/ > researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in > Boharm) > special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My resolution for the New Year has been to organize each member of my Family Tree. I wanted to see what information I had and what I still needed. Which brings me to my dilemma. John SMITH b. 1834 in Monquhitter, married Ann MASSIE in Lonmay on 4 June 1853. They went on to have 15 children. In 1861, John and Ann are living at Garvel Croft, Tyrie, New Pitsligo along with 4 of their children. Also listed are: John McCartney, step-father, 71, Linen Weaver and Margaret McCartney, Mother, 61. 07/04/1861 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1861 227/0B 005/00 010) By 1871 this family is living at Woodhead of Gonar, Tyrie, New Pitsligo. John MCCARTNEY, step-father is still with them but is identified as a widower. 02/04/1871 SMITH, JOHN (Census 1871 227/0B 005/0B 003) Margaret MCCARTNEY would have died sometime between 1861 and 1871. I do know that neither are related to Ann MASSIE. That leaves me to believe that they are somehow related to John SMITH, but how? I have James SMITH and Isobel LAING as John's parents according to OPR Births: 223/ 0030 0119 Monquhitter. I have checked the MI's at ANESFHS for both Margaret MCCARTNEY and Margaret RUSSEL with no luck. However, I have not checked ScotlandsPeople yet. At this point, I am open to any and all suggestions. Regards,Jo-Anne Smith-HuberANESFHS # 16407

I Recently asked abt Death john Johnstone or Johnston Who died between 1853 and 1861. Is there any Newspapers online. As i have just read a story abt Captain William Darling Dawson who married his good freinds Daughter Matilda . He was Captain John Johntone of Aberdeen. Regards Judy

Hello Gavin She was widow in 1861. They had a child in 1853 in Peterhead so he has died between 1853 and 1861 -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Johnston On 18/01/2014 23:41, judy beggs wrote: > I have Mary Johnston a Widow and children coming to Ausralia in 1863. > Her husband John was a seaman. He is in 1851 Census but not 1861. > So he has died between the census. That's not necessarily so. He would be omitted from the 1861 Census if he was at sea on Census night, as only people actually present are counted. How is Mary Johnston listed in the 1861 Census? Is she shown as a wife or a widow? That would be a more reliable guide as to whether he was still alive. > Trying to find out when . > They had children in Peterhead Aberdeen . and Glasgow Lanarkshire. > Mary was born abt 1816 in Limerick Ireland. > Her name was Mary Lane. Trying to find their marriage. If he survived until 1855, and subsequently died in Scotland, then it should be possible to find the event on ScotlandsPeople. There will have been numerous "John Johnston(e)s", but you can cross-check against the name of his widow. Where was the family in 1851? Where was Mary in 1861? What are the birthplaces and birth dates of any of the children? There may be other records which could help, but most of them are indexed by parish. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 18/01/2014 23:41, judy beggs wrote: > I have Mary Johnston a Widow and children coming to Ausralia in 1863. > Her husband John was a seaman. He is in 1851 Census but not 1861. > So he has died between the census. That's not necessarily so. He would be omitted from the 1861 Census if he was at sea on Census night, as only people actually present are counted. How is Mary Johnston listed in the 1861 Census? Is she shown as a wife or a widow? That would be a more reliable guide as to whether he was still alive. > Trying to find out when . > They had children in Peterhead Aberdeen . and Glasgow Lanarkshire. > Mary was born abt 1816 in Limerick Ireland. > Her name was Mary Lane. Trying to find their marriage. If he survived until 1855, and subsequently died in Scotland, then it should be possible to find the event on ScotlandsPeople. There will have been numerous "John Johnston(e)s", but you can cross-check against the name of his widow. Where was the family in 1851? Where was Mary in 1861? What are the birthplaces and birth dates of any of the children? There may be other records which could help, but most of them are indexed by parish. Gavin Bell

Hi list My first time here. I have Mary Johnston a Widow and children coming to Ausralia in 1863. Her husband John was a seaman. He is in 1851 Census but not 1861. So he has died between the census. Trying to find out when . They had children in Peterhead Aberdeen . and Glasgow Lanarkshire. Mary was born abt 1816 in Limerick Ireland. Her name was Mary Lane. Trying to find their marriage. Any help would be great. Kind Regards Judy Beggs Australia

Hi Judy, The LDS site, familysearch.org, has a Mary Lane who married a John Johnstone 30 Jan 1841 at St Michaels in Limerick. Barbara On 1/18/2014 6:41 PM, judy beggs wrote: > Hi list > My first time here. > I have Mary Johnston a Widow and children coming to Ausralia in 1863. > Her husband John was a seaman. He is in 1851 Census but not 1861. > So he has died between the census. Trying to find out when . > They had children in Peterhead Aberdeen . and Glasgow Lanarkshire. > Mary was born abt 1816 in Limerick Ireland. > Her name was Mary Lane. Trying to find their marriage. > Any help would be great. > Kind Regards > Judy Beggs > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with Venita. It's wonderful getting new information, or some information that will help you continue on. Anne Godfrey Anyone can count the seeds in an apple; but only God can count the apples in a seed. Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:13:02 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Glennie & Jane Mennie, marriage - Peterculter, Scotland - 1790's? > > One thing I like about being on an email list is that you sometimes get to learn things you didn’t know you wanted to know. Case in point, this conversation. I learned the situation regarding the Peterculter OPRs - one of the parishes of my Scottish ancestors - and I got information about John Glennie & Jane Mennie that I didn’t have before. They are not blood relations to me but their granddaughter, Jane Massie (daughter of their daughter, Mary), married my great granduncle, Alexander Michie in 1852. Thank you! > > Venita > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:45 AM, W LAW <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Anne Godfrey <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 3:51 > > Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Glennie & Jane Mennie, marriage - Peterculter, Scotland - 1790's? > > > >> I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, Scotland. Maybe they never married, but they did have two more (at least) children, Mary born 1802 and Alexander born 1797. I have checked all over the place, including Scotlandspeople, Family Search/Ancestry. I even went to IGI. Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out? > > > > Anne Godfrey > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > I have the following Glennie births / baptisms from the Peterculter OPR : - > > > > ? 9 1781 John in Glaisterberry had Elspet bp before the cong. > > 18 5 1783 John in Glaisterberry had Christian bp > > 12 6 1785 John in Glaisterberry & his wife Jean Meney had Anne ( my 2 gts grandmother ) bp before the cong. > > 26 4 1789 John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had David bp > > 15 5 1791 John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had James bp > > 6 6 1793 John tenent in Brotherfield & his wife Jane Meney had a son born, bp 8 6 1793 in presence of cong. by name William > > 5 12 1797 John Glenny & Jane Menny his wife in Brotherfield had a child born, bp 10 12 1797 by the name Alexander before the cong > > 26 5 1802 John, farmer in Brotherfield & Jane Menny his wife a daughter born, bpt 30 5 1802 by the name Mary in the presence of John Menny tenant in Silverburn and John Menny tenant in Protton. > > > > I have no marriage date for John & Jane but it was probably before Elspet was born but not necessarily. > > > > Good hunting, > > William Law > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One thing I like about being on an email list is that you sometimes get to learn things you didn’t know you wanted to know. Case in point, this conversation. I learned the situation regarding the Peterculter OPRs - one of the parishes of my Scottish ancestors - and I got information about John Glennie & Jane Mennie that I didn’t have before. They are not blood relations to me but their granddaughter, Jane Massie (daughter of their daughter, Mary), married my great granduncle, Alexander Michie in 1852. Thank you! Venita On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:45 AM, W LAW <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Anne Godfrey <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 3:51 > Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Glennie & Jane Mennie, marriage - Peterculter, Scotland - 1790's? > >> I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, Scotland. Maybe they never married, but they did have two more (at least) children, Mary born 1802 and Alexander born 1797. I have checked all over the place, including Scotlandspeople, Family Search/Ancestry. I even went to IGI. Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out? > > Anne Godfrey > > - - - - - - - - - - - > > > I have the following Glennie births / baptisms from the Peterculter OPR : - > > ? 9 1781 John in Glaisterberry had Elspet bp before the cong. > 18 5 1783 John in Glaisterberry had Christian bp > 12 6 1785 John in Glaisterberry & his wife Jean Meney had Anne ( my 2 gts grandmother ) bp before the cong. > 26 4 1789 John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had David bp > 15 5 1791 John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had James bp > 6 6 1793 John tenent in Brotherfield & his wife Jane Meney had a son born, bp 8 6 1793 in presence of cong. by name William > 5 12 1797 John Glenny & Jane Menny his wife in Brotherfield had a child born, bp 10 12 1797 by the name Alexander before the cong > 26 5 1802 John, farmer in Brotherfield & Jane Menny his wife a daughter born, bpt 30 5 1802 by the name Mary in the presence of John Menny tenant in Silverburn and John Menny tenant in Protton. > > I have no marriage date for John & Jane but it was probably before Elspet was born but not necessarily. > > Good hunting, > William Law > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

     From: Anne Godfrey <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 3:51 Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Glennie & Jane Mennie, marriage - Peterculter, Scotland - 1790's? >I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, Scotland.  Maybe they never married, but they did have two more (at least) children, Mary born 1802 and Alexander born 1797.  I have checked all over the place, including Scotlandspeople, Family Search/Ancestry.  I even went to IGI.  Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out?  Anne Godfrey                                                                               - - - - - - - - - - -                       I have the following Glennie births / baptisms from the Peterculter OPR : -  ?    9  1781    John in Glaisterberry had Elspet bp before the cong. 18  5  1783     John in Glaisterberry had Christian bp 12  6   1785    John in Glaisterberry & his wife Jean Meney had Anne ( my 2 gts grandmother ) bp before the cong. 26  4   1789    John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had David bp 15  5   1791    John in Binghill & his wife Jean Meney had James bp   6  6   1793    John tenent in Brotherfield & his wife Jane Meney had a son born, bp  8  6  1793 in presence of cong. by name William   5 12  1797    John  Glenny & Jane Menny his wife in Brotherfield had a child born, bp 10 12 1797 by the name Alexander before the cong 26   5  1802    John, farmer in Brotherfield & Jane Menny his wife a daughter born, bpt 30  5  1802 by the name Mary in the presence of         John Menny tenant in Silverburn and John Menny tenant in Protton.  I have no marriage date for John & Jane but it was probably before Elspet was born but not necessarily. Good hunting, William Law                   

Message: 5 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 22:51:04 -0500 From: Anne Godfrey <[email protected]> Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Glennie & Jane Mennie, marriage - Peterculter, Scotland - 1790's? To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, Scotland. Maybe they never married, but they did have two more (at least) children, Mary born 1802 and Alexander born 1797. I have checked all over the place, including Scotlandspeople, Family Search/Ancestry. I even went to IGI. Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out? Anne Godfrey ********************************** Anne - stone numbered 90 in "The Kirkyard of Peterculter" by Gordon Johnson says [it was hard to read in 1988, and probably worse now] "In memory of John Glennie, late farmer in Brotherfield....died 18 ..7...???? also Jane Mennie, spouse to the said John Glennie, died 19 Sept 1836?, aged 77; their son Alexander Glennie died 30 Sept 1873 aged 78 years." This inscription clearly states that Jane was his spouse, and so they were indeed married, whether you find a formal marriage entry or not.Reagrds, Gordon Johnson.

On 13/01/2014 03:51, Anne Godfrey wrote: > I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, Scotland. Maybe they never married, but they did have two more (at least) children, Mary born 1802 and Alexander born 1797. I have checked all over the place, including Scotlandspeople, Family Search/Ancestry. I even went to IGI. Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out? The Parish of Peterculter appears to have obeyed the instruction to surrender their Registers to the Registrar General in 1855. In his survey of the Old Parochial Records (published 1872) he lists records of Baptism dating from 1643 and of Deaths from 1647. However, he shows proper Marriage records as not starting until 1818. Prior to that date, all that survived was apparently records of Proclamations. It seems likely, then, that there was no earlier Register of Marriages. Gavin Bell

On 12/01/2014 22:49, Goldie & Lido Doratti wrote: > AND...if I might add, at that time Cairnie was in Banffshire, not > Aberdeenshire as it is now. Only part of it. You will find the details at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Cairnie/index.html Gavin Bell

Anne said and asked > I have had trouble finding the marriage notice for John Glennie & Jane Mennie, whose first child (William Glenny/Glennie) was born in 1794 in Peterculter, . . . Can anyone suggest any other place to check this out? It's quite possible that their marriage falls into one of the 'black holes' which exist in the Kirk's OPRs not all of which were handed over to Edinburgh in 1855/6; either because the Kirk Session said they were 'their's' and not the Government's or because they just hadn't been (fully) maintained, by the Session Clerk, or had been lost. Some (parts) have not been transcribed because they were simply just illegible. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device