Sorry not to answer your queries sooner. Very little details of Haddoleys in the Troup archives, though I know the Haddoleys area well, There are lots of old stone sights on the Tore Hill of Troup. I am sad to say there is nothing left, cows & sheep have been grazing on Haddoleys for a hundred years. If you want a photo where the farm used to be and a copy of the 1854 Estate map of Troup showing Haddoleys I would be delighted to send direct to you as an attachment. Ian ex 12th Garden of Troup On 3 February 2014 18:39, <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi all > > Just input maps.nls.uk/view/74426491 into the search and, yes, Haddoleys > is just above Rams Well in the bottom right-hand corner. > > Regards > Les > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "B&A Smith" <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> > Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:33:14 > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter > > Troup is an area in the east of Gamrie parish. Nowadays its best known > feature is Troup Head, home to a considerable colony of gannets. > > The Tore of Troup is a deep, wooded valley running north-south to the sea, > through which runs the Tore Burn, marking the county boundary between > Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. Haddoleys isn't marked on the most detailed > OS map of the area, but you can find it on 19th C OS maps. Don't know if > this link to the NLS map will work: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74426491. Its > position is shown as slightly north of the Ram's Well, near the southern > end of the valley. > > Alison > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > > > Aberdeen List, > > I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter > > Aberdeenshire. > > > > The information I had was not correct. > > > > I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In > > the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He > > died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was > > about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed > > father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John > > Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James > > Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) > > The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 > > or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as > > Monquhitter. > > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any > > suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried > > searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret > > McKnight as the parents with no luck. > > > > Regards, > > Jo-Anne Smith-Huber > > ANESFHS # 16407 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to Alison, Andy, Gavin, Les, Ray and Rodi. You have all given me great information. I have been using www.geograph.org.uk for most of my map searches. It is difficult to understand the patterns of movement of a particular family so this helps to send me in the right direction. I do know that they are not as valuable as the OS maps from NLS because they are not as accurate to the time period I am researching. I am doing my research from across the pond in the US so at this point accessing the Kirk Session archives is not an option. Certainly something I will add to my list of to do's when we visit Scotland again. Each piece of the puzzle is appreciated and does help tremendously in putting the picture together. Your input has been invaluable, pointing me in the right direction. The information I have been using for John Smith was way off and I couldn't understand why I was having so much trouble making sense of this family. Andy, you were a great help in that regard. Having the Statutory Death record, the information in the 1861 & 1871 Census records now makes sense. Gavin, Ray and Les, your input is always appreciated. Whenever any of you respond I pay attention. Thank you all again, Jo-AnneANESFHS #16407

Hi all Just input maps.nls.uk/view/74426491 into the search and, yes, Haddoleys is just above Rams Well in the bottom right-hand corner. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "B&A Smith" <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 09:33:14 To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter Troup is an area in the east of Gamrie parish. Nowadays its best known feature is Troup Head, home to a considerable colony of gannets. The Tore of Troup is a deep, wooded valley running north-south to the sea, through which runs the Tore Burn, marking the county boundary between Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. Haddoleys isn't marked on the most detailed OS map of the area, but you can find it on 19th C OS maps. Don't know if this link to the NLS map will work: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74426491. Its position is shown as slightly north of the Ram's Well, near the southern end of the valley. Alison On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > Aberdeen List, > I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter > Aberdeenshire. > > The information I had was not correct. > > I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In > the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He > died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was > about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed > father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John > Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James > Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) > The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 > or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as > Monquhitter. > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any > suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried > searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret > McKnight as the parents with no luck. > > Regards, > Jo-Anne Smith-Huber > ANESFHS # 16407 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Gavin. As you say "The layout of his web-page is not well explained" Makes sense though especially as his study was/is entitled 'Farms on Parish Border in Banff'- A touch of a Senior moment there. Apologies to Jo-Anne for misleading her. The abdnet reference is therefore correct. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:43:59 To: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter On 03/02/2014 10:35, leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > .... However the late Stuart Mitchell on deltanz 'Farms on Parish > Border in Banff - Coastal' places it east of the Tore of Troup. If you check the website: http://gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie .... you will see that the late Stuart actually does not claim that Haddoleys was "east of the Tore of Troup". The layout of his web-page is not well explained, but what he is clearly doing is listing, in 2 columns, pairs of places on either side of the boundary. For each segment of the boundary his heading ("GAMRIE KING EDWARD" or "BANFF ALVAH") indicates the two parishes on either side of the boundary, and below that he gives, on each line, one place in each parish, on either side of the boundary. So the heading "GAMRIE ABERDOUR (E side of Tore of Troup) means that he is seeking to situate the boundary between "GAMRIE" (on the one side, and "ABERDOUR (E of Tore of Troup)" on the other. The Tore of Troup is such an obvious feature in the landscape that it makes for a very clear boundary both between the parishes of Gamrie and Aberdour and between the counties of Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. If you look at the area on the 1st Ed of the OS 1-inch map (of course, it straddles sheets 96 and 97!)* you will find the parish and county boundary clearly marked, following the line of the Tore, with Glens of Troup (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Kinbeam (in Aberdour, on the E side, and Haddoleys (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Glenhouses and Chapelden (in Gamrie, on the W side). Gavin Bell * on the NLS website: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490623 http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490626 > Have a look at the location on the OS (Ordnance Survey) website - > www.getamap.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk > www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Gamrie/locations.html > gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie Regards Les Sent from my > BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne > HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: > Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:54:56 To: aberdeen<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: > aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 > Monquhitter Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John > SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had > was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death > record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann > Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at > Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son > of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as > Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The > person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the > farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have > been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is > always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where > Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record > would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's > People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no > luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jo-Anne The fact that his death certificate says John Smith (deceased) reputed father suggests that John Smith was illegitimate so he may have been christened under his mothers name. There doesn't look to be an obvious christening under McKnight (or Knight) which could mean the family were not Church of Scotland but another denomination the records of which are not online. Whilst he gives Monquhitter as his place of birth it may not be correct, his mother may have gone away to give birth, also a birth and a christening could be in different places It might be worth looking at his mothers death registration to see what her parents names. A possible registration is Margaret Cartney (other surname McKnight) age 70 in New Pitsligo in 1870. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne HUBER Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:54 PM To: aberdeen Subject: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407

On 03/02/2014 10:35, leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > .... However the late Stuart Mitchell on deltanz 'Farms on Parish > Border in Banff - Coastal' places it east of the Tore of Troup. If you check the website: http://gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie ... you will see that the late Stuart actually does not claim that Haddoleys was "east of the Tore of Troup". The layout of his web-page is not well explained, but what he is clearly doing is listing, in 2 columns, pairs of places on either side of the boundary. For each segment of the boundary his heading ("GAMRIE KING EDWARD" or "BANFF ALVAH") indicates the two parishes on either side of the boundary, and below that he gives, on each line, one place in each parish, on either side of the boundary. So the heading "GAMRIE ABERDOUR (E side of Tore of Troup) means that he is seeking to situate the boundary between "GAMRIE" (on the one side, and "ABERDOUR (E of Tore of Troup)" on the other. The Tore of Troup is such an obvious feature in the landscape that it makes for a very clear boundary both between the parishes of Gamrie and Aberdour and between the counties of Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. If you look at the area on the 1st Ed of the OS 1-inch map (of course, it straddles sheets 96 and 97!)* you will find the parish and county boundary clearly marked, following the line of the Tore, with Glens of Troup (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Kinbeam (in Aberdour, on the E side, and Haddoleys (in Gamrie, on the W side) opposite Glenhouses and Chapelden (in Gamrie, on the W side). Gavin Bell * on the NLS website: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490623 http://maps.nls.uk/view/74490626 > Have a look at the location on the OS (Ordnance Survey) website - > www.getamap.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk > www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Gamrie/locations.html > gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie Regards Les Sent from my > BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne > HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: > Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:54:56 To: aberdeen<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: > aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 > Monquhitter Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John > SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had > was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death > record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann > Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at > Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son > of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as > Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The > person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the > farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have > been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is > always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where > Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record > would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's > People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no > luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Jo-Anne asked > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Haddoleys is/was one of the many abandoned farms in NE Scotland. I'm not sure of its exact location. However, Troup Head is between Gamrie/Gardenstown and Pennan. Genuki's 'Placenames in Parish of Gamrie, Banffshire' locates it at GB Grid Ref NJ829624 which places it west of the Tore of Troup. However the late Stuart Mitchell on deltanz 'Farms on Parish Border in Banff - Coastal' places it east of the Tore of Troup. Have a look at the location on the OS (Ordnance Survey) website - www.getamap.ordnancesurveyleisure.co.uk www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Gamrie/locations.html gen.deltanz.net/banff/coastal.html#Gamrie Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:54:56 To: aberdeen<aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] John SMITH b. 1831/32 Monquhitter Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 03/02/2014 04:54, Jo-Anne HUBER wrote: > ... > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. The address might be more correctly given as "Haddoleys, Troup, Gamrie." "Gamrie" is the name of the parish, under which almost all important earlier records are catalogued. "Troup" is the name of an area towards the eastern end of the parish: "Troup Head" is the name of a promontory on the coast, "Hill of Troup" lies about 3 mile south, and in the intervening stretch of country are sundry placenames which include "Troup". The family of Garden of Troup was formerly a major landowner, with its headquarters at Troup House. "Haddoleys" (which does not appear on modern maps) lay towards the southern end of this area, near the "Tore of Troup" which is a noticeable gorge through which the Tore Burn makes its way to the sea just west of Pennan. > Also any suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. If the birth was illegitimate, the matter may well have come to the attention of the Kirk Session of the parish of Monquhitter. The KS records can be viewed onscreen at various archives within Scotland, but are not available online. And while absence of a baptism from the Kirk of Scotland registers could mean that the family belonged to a different denomination, it is also quite possible that, while the child was baptised into the Kirk, no record was made in the Register - there was generally a fee to be paid to have an entry made, and a single mother would probably have other things to do with what little money she had. Gavin Bell

Correction: I meant to say that Haddoleys isn't marked on modern maps. Alison On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:33 AM, B&A Smith <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com>wrote: > Troup is an area in the east of Gamrie parish. Nowadays its best known > feature is Troup Head, home to a considerable colony of gannets. > > The Tore of Troup is a deep, wooded valley running north-south to the sea, > through which runs the Tore Burn, marking the county boundary between > Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. Haddoleys isn't marked on the most detailed > OS map of the area, but you can find it on 19th C OS maps. Don't know if > this link to the NLS map will work: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74426491. > Its position is shown as slightly north of the Ram's Well, near the > southern end of the valley. > > Alison > > > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > >> Aberdeen List, >> I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter >> Aberdeenshire. >> >> The information I had was not correct. >> >> I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In >> the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He >> died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was >> about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed >> father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John >> Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James >> Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) >> The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 >> or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as >> Monquhitter. >> Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any >> suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried >> searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret >> McKnight as the parents with no luck. >> >> Regards, >> Jo-Anne Smith-Huber >> ANESFHS # 16407 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Troup is an area in the east of Gamrie parish. Nowadays its best known feature is Troup Head, home to a considerable colony of gannets. The Tore of Troup is a deep, wooded valley running north-south to the sea, through which runs the Tore Burn, marking the county boundary between Banffshire and Aberdeenshire. Haddoleys isn't marked on the most detailed OS map of the area, but you can find it on 19th C OS maps. Don't know if this link to the NLS map will work: http://maps.nls.uk/view/74426491. Its position is shown as slightly north of the Ram's Well, near the southern end of the valley. Alison On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > Aberdeen List, > I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter > Aberdeenshire. > > The information I had was not correct. > > I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In > the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He > died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was > about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed > father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John > Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James > Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) > The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 > or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as > Monquhitter. > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any > suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried > searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret > McKnight as the parents with no luck. > > Regards, > Jo-Anne Smith-Huber > ANESFHS # 16407 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jo-Anne If you look at the Banff entry for Gamrie on GENUKI you will find both Haddeleys and Troup listed. this will give you a map reference for each. The full placename list for Gamrie is at http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Gamrie/locations.html Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 3 February 2014 04:54, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > Aberdeen List, > I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter > Aberdeenshire. > > The information I had was not correct. > > I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In > the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He > died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was > about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed > father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John > Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James > Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) > The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 > or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as > Monquhitter. > Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any > suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried > searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret > McKnight as the parents with no luck. > > Regards, > Jo-Anne Smith-Huber > ANESFHS # 16407 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Birth certificates from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk are only available for births prior to 1914, but if you can make a personal visit to a registrar's office in Scotland, you could obtain this information. If you know (or can guess) what school he attended, it might be possible to find his father's name in the school admission register. Those which survive are held at Aberdeenshire Archives and there is information about their collections at http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/education_learning/local_history/archives/loc_archiveshomepage.asp . Alison On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk>wrote: > Hi All, > First time posting to this list so I wonder if anyone has any information > on the parents of Watson FRASER who was born in Turriff in 1922. Any help > would be much appreciated. > > Regars > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aberdeen List, I am trying to find the birth of John SMITH, b. 1831 or 32 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire. The information I had was not correct. I have recently found on Scotland's People the death record for John. In the record it states that he is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). He died on October 23, 1898 at 5:30 am. at Haddoleys Troup Gamrie. John was about 67 years old and he was the son of John SMITH (deceased) Reputed father. His mother is listed as Margret McKnight afterward wife of John Cartney Crofter (Deceased) The person giving the information is James Grant who was a worker on the farm (present) The age at death leads me to believe that he would have been born in 1831 or 32. His place of birth in the census records is always listed as Monquhitter. Can anyone tell me what and where Haddoleys Troup is. Also any suggestions on finding a birth record would be appreciated. I have tried searching the IGI and Scotland's People using John SMITH and Margret McKnight as the parents with no luck. Regards, Jo-Anne Smith-Huber ANESFHS # 16407

Hi All, First time posting to this list so I wonder if anyone has any information on the parents of Watson FRASER who was born in Turriff in 1922. Any help would be much appreciated. Regars Wendy

Hi Jo-Anne Who does the death registration name as the parents of John Smith? Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne HUBER Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:27 AM To: aberdeen Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. Andy, Thank you for your reply and information. Yes that is the correct Ann Smith. I do have a Statutory Death Record for her. I was finally able to find John Smith thanks to your help. Boy was I blown away with this information.....Now it's back to the beginning. We do know he was born in Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire according to the Census records from 1861 to 1891. Now to find a birth record..... and set aside what information I thought was correct.Oh, the hunt goes on and on. Thanks again for your help.... Jo-Anne > From: andycandlish@ozemail.com.au > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:23:10 +1100 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > Hi Jo-Anne > > A search on Scotlandspeople shows that a death of an Ann Smith (other > surname Massie) age 65 was registered in Gamrie Registration District, > Banffshire in 1898. If this is your Ann then it would be worth looking at > the following death. John Smith, age 67, Gamrie Registration District, > Banffshire in 1898. > > Andy >

Andy, The Death Record or SMITH, JOHN (Statutory Deaths 155/A1 0026) lists his Father as John Smith, Farmer, (deceased), Reputed Father. Mother is listed as Margaret McKnight, afterward wife of John Cartney, Mother, (deceased) John is married to Ann Massie (illegitimate). That designation is also given on Ann's Death Record. I also have a copy of the OPR Birth for Ann. I have always thought that the parents of John Smith were: James Smith and Isobel Laing, but had no real evidence that this was correct. And I was using the age given in the 1881 census to estimate his birth year +/-. Back to work. Thank you again, Jo-Anne > From: andycandlish@ozemail.com.au > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:34:23 +1100 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > Hi Jo-Anne > > Who does the death registration name as the parents of John Smith? > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo-Anne HUBER > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:27 AM > To: aberdeen > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > > > > Andy, > Thank you for your reply and information. Yes that is the correct Ann > Smith. I do have a Statutory Death Record for her. I was finally able to > find John Smith thanks to your help. Boy was I blown away with this > information.....Now it's back to the beginning. We do know he was born in > Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire according to the Census records from 1861 to > 1891. Now to find a birth record..... and set aside what information I > thought was correct.Oh, the hunt goes on and on. Thanks again for your > help.... Jo-Anne > > > From: andycandlish@ozemail.com.au > > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:23:10 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > > > Hi Jo-Anne > > > > A search on Scotlandspeople shows that a death of an Ann Smith (other > > surname Massie) age 65 was registered in Gamrie Registration District, > > Banffshire in 1898. If this is your Ann then it would be worth looking at > > the following death. John Smith, age 67, Gamrie Registration District, > > Banffshire in 1898. > > > > Andy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy, Thank you for your reply and information. Yes that is the correct Ann Smith. I do have a Statutory Death Record for her. I was finally able to find John Smith thanks to your help. Boy was I blown away with this information.....Now it's back to the beginning. We do know he was born in Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire according to the Census records from 1861 to 1891. Now to find a birth record..... and set aside what information I thought was correct.Oh, the hunt goes on and on. Thanks again for your help.... Jo-Anne > From: andycandlish@ozemail.com.au > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:23:10 +1100 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. > > Hi Jo-Anne > > A search on Scotlandspeople shows that a death of an Ann Smith (other > surname Massie) age 65 was registered in Gamrie Registration District, > Banffshire in 1898. If this is your Ann then it would be worth looking at > the following death. John Smith, age 67, Gamrie Registration District, > Banffshire in 1898. > > Andy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for this Isobel, an interesting read, meat on the bones so to speak! Sharon Found this, thought it was fun - http://www.archive.org/stream/legendsbraesoma00grangoog/legendsbraesoma00gra ngoog_djvu.txt John of Inverey loved his Tullich tenants. He took a fancy to them for the spirited way in which they got up the world- wide-famed " Beel of Tullich." It may be interesting to you to hear its origin. In those days the parsons catered after creature-comforts even as much as now, and on winter days of more than usual inclemency had no service in the churches. Now, it came to pass on a stormy winter morning, that a, number of the parishioners thought fit to attend on chance at the Kirk of Tullich. The present ruins are of another building on the site of the one in question. The folio got weary waiting for his reverence, who then lived at Milton of Tullich ; and while he doubtless coddleshimself by his oozy ingle, think you that his Christian brethren are to perish of cold P By no means of nations. They blew in their fists, and thumped them against their breasts and sides, to set the blood a-circulating ; then they kicked against the pews and stamped, till it was a wonder their feet did not fly asunder in bits of ice. And now, as they went wandering through the church, the lads began to poke fun at the lasses ; nay, as time passed, some of the bolder rogues would give them a half- twirl round ; and you may well judge, the lasses wonld'nt stand any such impudence, and swung the lads round and off, as much as to say, Keep your distance, sir. And, bless you, sirs, the auld carls and the younger married folks wouldn't stand it ; and bless you, too, the auld " wivies " and matrons had mettle in their toes as well as the lasses. So, by and by, there was capering and vapouring of a rather lively kind throughout the *. auld " kirk. ** Well, what think you of a sensation - a suspicion, say - of the real dew to keep dear life in ? " whispered some one. "By St Nathalan, we were never in greater need,"chorused a whole company ; " let us have a * jine.' " Accordingly, a stockingful of placks and bodies was collected, with which one of the party hied away to the change-house at the Stile of Tullich. You know where the road winds round the mount, on which stands the monument to the late Monaltrie. Well, there, just as you come in sight of the village, is the Stile of Tullich. The first " jine " so rejoiced the hearts of the company, that, belyve, a second, third, and fourth came off in quick succession, and with all "eclat." "Jines" became the, order of the day. And aye the ale was getting better ; and, well I wot, the company was getting cantier, vauntier, ay, and friskier. Philosophers - I am none, thank heaven - will explain how ** gude ale keeps the heart abune" - how it lightens the heels as well as the head, and even how it reverses the common standing of mortals. The "gude ale" had its usual effects at the Kirk of Tullich, and a little shuffling led naturally to the heel-and-toe, and the back step and countless other steps, and those again to twirling, and wheeling, and side-cutting, till it was dizzying to look on. Hae ineroy on us ! men must live, ay, and even women. And why, it was only to keep the heat in - " peskily " cold it was that Sunday, depend upon it. Now, once set a-danoing, they thought it as well to dance in orderly manner as not, so they would have a head-set or reel. A musician was wanted; but Tullich, ever "fertile in fiddlers," soon supplied the want ; and then, having placed sentinels to give the alarm should the parson enter an appearance, at it they went with a will, and kept it up with high, higher, and highest glee. Iso ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found this, thought it was fun - http://www.archive.org/stream/legendsbraesoma00grangoog/legendsbraesoma00gra ngoog_djvu.txt John of Inverey loved his Tullich tenants. He took a fancy to them for the spirited way in which they got up the world- wide-famed " Beel of Tullich." It may be interesting to you to hear its origin. In those days the parsons catered after creature-comforts even as much as now, and on winter days of more than usual inclemency had no service in the churches. Now, it came to pass on a stormy winter morning, that a, number of the parishioners thought fit to attend on chance at the Kirk of Tullich. The present ruins are of another building on the site of the one in question. The folio got weary waiting for his reverence, who then lived at Milton of Tullich ; and while he doubtless coddleshimself by his oozy ingle, think you that his Christian brethren are to perish of cold P By no means of nations. They blew in their fists, and thumped them against their breasts and sides, to set the blood a-circulating ; then they kicked against the pews and stamped, till it was a wonder their feet did not fly asunder in bits of ice. And now, as they went wandering through the church, the lads began to poke fun at the lasses ; nay, as time passed, some of the bolder rogues would give them a half- twirl round ; and you may well judge, the lasses wonld'nt stand any such impudence, and swung the lads round and off, as much as to say, Keep your distance, sir. And, bless you, sirs, the auld carls and the younger married folks wouldn't stand it ; and bless you, too, the auld " wivies " and matrons had mettle in their toes as well as the lasses. So, by and by, there was capering and vapouring of a rather lively kind throughout the *. auld " kirk. ** Well, what think you of a sensation - a suspicion, say - of the real dew to keep dear life in ? " whispered some one. "By St Nathalan, we were never in greater need,"chorused a whole company ; " let us have a * jine.' " Accordingly, a stockingful of placks and bodies was collected, with which one of the party hied away to the change-house at the Stile of Tullich. You know where the road winds round the mount, on which stands the monument to the late Monaltrie. Well, there, just as you come in sight of the village, is the Stile of Tullich. The first " jine " so rejoiced the hearts of the company, that, belyve, a second, third, and fourth came off in quick succession, and with all "eclat." "Jines" became the, order of the day. And aye the ale was getting better ; and, well I wot, the company was getting cantier, vauntier, ay, and friskier. Philosophers - I am none, thank heaven - will explain how ** gude ale keeps the heart abune" - how it lightens the heels as well as the head, and even how it reverses the common standing of mortals. The "gude ale" had its usual effects at the Kirk of Tullich, and a little shuffling led naturally to the heel-and-toe, and the back step and countless other steps, and those again to twirling, and wheeling, and side-cutting, till it was dizzying to look on. Hae ineroy on us ! men must live, ay, and even women. And why, it was only to keep the heat in - " peskily " cold it was that Sunday, depend upon it. Now, once set a-danoing, they thought it as well to dance in orderly manner as not, so they would have a head-set or reel. A musician was wanted; but Tullich, ever "fertile in fiddlers," soon supplied the want ; and then, having placed sentinels to give the alarm should the parson enter an appearance, at it they went with a will, and kept it up with high, higher, and highest glee. Iso

Hi Jo-Anne A search on Scotlandspeople shows that a death of an Ann Smith (other surname Massie) age 65 was registered in Gamrie Registration District, Banffshire in 1898. If this is your Ann then it would be worth looking at the following death. John Smith, age 67, Gamrie Registration District, Banffshire in 1898. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jo-Anne HUBER Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:48 AM To: aberdeen Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] SMITH family dilemma. Jen, I do not have a death certificate for John. I checked this morning on SP using the parameters of death between 1891 and 1898 (Ann's Death) but nothing came up that looked to be correct. I want to assume that his death would be recorded somewhere close to where he lived. Jo-Anne