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Hi, I am wondering if anyone has information on Isabella McPHEE (McFEE) who married Henry COOK (Mariner) at St. Nicholas, Aberdeen on 7th August 1845. Isabella's Father was listed as John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have Isabella 30 & Henry COOK 28 (Mariner) in the 1851 Census with 2 children in Virginia Street. Aberdeen. Henry COOK died in Aberdeen presumably after 1852 and before 1860 but cannot find his death. I think Isabella McPHEE, McFEE has married again as I found an Isabella CHALMERS b Dec 1860 St. Nicholas, Father William CHALMERS Mother Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Marriage - William CHALMERS & Isabella McPHEE June 1860, St. Nicholas. 1861 Census St. Nicholas, Aberdeen, William Chalmers 42 (Linen Weaver), Isabella 40 b Inverness, children whom I presume were his and Isabella 3 (3 months) b St. Nicholas. I am hoping I have found her again but would be delighted to hear from others with information. Regards, Isabel, N.Z.

Just for fun, I googled heart shaped badges http://books.google.com/books?id=emQ9AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA410&lpg=PA410&dq=Scottish+heart+shaped+badge&source=bl&ots=rTCnCrnF3j&sig=GVSiS89bYg0IcWxrRNR6hMzbnQU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IAz1UvD5L_H22AXnyICADA&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Scottish%20heart%20shaped%20badge&f=false http://www.ebay.com/gds/History-of-the-Scottish-Luckenbooth-/10000000002967154/g.html Also check Jacobite Luckenbooth.   http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-002-193-C http://books.google.com/books?id=RboxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA341&lpg=PA341&dq=Scottish+heart+shaped+badge&source=bl&ots=m_Ja0TjZKl&sig=9X8HThnYboBRiS2ZSBG7oDCwQT0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NA71UtXCIuSMyQHXnoF4&ved=0CIABEOgBMAg4FA#v=onepage&q=Scottish%20heart%20shaped%20badge&f=false >________________________________ > From: Angela <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 8:44 PM >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen Trawlers > > >Many thank everyone for your input re the badges. It is a very old photo and >in bad condition I don't think it is the Scottish Women's Rural Institute >badge as their is no indentation on the heart shape. The heart is actually >solid. Possibly a variation or as Jim suggested a luckenbooth. I did Google >it but once again none of then are solid. Definitely not the badge for the >Order of the Eastern Star. Just seemed rather strange that the 3 of them had >it. >One of those mysteries >Angela >" >>>> affiliated. Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost >>> heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I >>> have >>> a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the >>> daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. >>> >>>> Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the >>>> Eastern >>>> Star. > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Many thank everyone for your input re the badges. It is a very old photo and in bad condition I don't think it is the Scottish Women's Rural Institute badge as their is no indentation on the heart shape. The heart is actually solid. Possibly a variation or as Jim suggested a luckenbooth. I did Google it but once again none of then are solid. Definitely not the badge for the Order of the Eastern Star. Just seemed rather strange that the 3 of them had it. One of those mysteries Angela " >>> affiliated. Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost >> heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I >> have >> a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the >> daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. >> >>> Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the >>> Eastern >>> Star. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

For Scottish heart shaped badges try googling "luckenbooth" On 5/02/2014 5:00 PM, Angela wrote: > Thank you Jenny I had been told they were members I thought it was > affiliated. Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost > heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I have > a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the > daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. > Regards Angela > > >> Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the Eastern >> Star. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Regards, Jim Wood, Forest Lake, Brisbane [email protected]

Hi Angie, I think I might have found John in the 1881 Census on the trawler "Day Spring" Noth Ness, Lerwick, Shetland Islands aged 20 born in Buckie, Banffshire. I have sent you a copy of the census page to your private email address. Cheers, Jen. On: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 Angela wrote: Subject: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen Trawlers > My great Grandfather John Geddes was at sea in all the census since his > marriage His wife Margaret Geddes ( M.S. Henderson) and family all in > Aberdeen in 1889, 1901 & 1911 On his marriage cert he is listed as sailor, > coasting trade. I know before he died mid 1920's he was on a fishing boat, > he fell to his death from the mast Also unable to find his death on > Scotland's People Also tried Ancestry for his death in England On his > marriage cert his parents are James Geddes & Barbara Geddes ( M.S. > Morrison) both deceased I have looked for their deaths. I have been unable > to find him on any census pre marriage. He is listed as 24yrs on his > marriage in 1885 making his birth aprox 1861 The only record that comes > near to fitting it is the 1871 Ganrie census has Barbara Morrison > unmarried with son James ( I believe interchanable for John ) aged 9yrs. I > would be really grateful for any suggestions . I have tried for years to > find something so maybe someone having a fresh look migh! > t have an idea where I can go from here. One other thing I believe the > family were Mason. Does anyone know is it possible to get informayion from > the Lodges in Aberdeen?

Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the Eastern Star. Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Angela Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen Trawlers Many thanks Alison, Howard and George. I will certainly have a look at all your suggestions. Hopefully one thing leads to another. Alison I was always lead to be believe by family gossip that there was a women's part to the Masons ?? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you Jenny I had been told they were members I thought it was affiliated. Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I have a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. Regards Angela > Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the Eastern > Star. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Many thanks Alison, Howard and George. I will certainly have a look at all your suggestions. Hopefully one thing leads to another. Alison I was always lead to be believe by family gossip that there was a women's part to the Masons ?? I will write and see what I can find out. Howard unfortunately I have my doubts on that family as there are 3 discrepancies Age, father's Christian name and Mother's surname. I did find another Geddes family in Banff with a John 10yrs Father James but he is a farmer with 100 acres whereas John's Father was a railway worker (forgot to mention that in first email) Mother is a lot younger so could be a second wife. George I have just printed out that death I didn't know anything about Minor records Marine returns It fits pretty well in fact very well, only the year is a few before I had been told but that could be wrong. Thanks Angela > My great Grandfather John Geddes was at sea in all the census since his > marriage His wife Margaret Geddes ( M.S. Henderson) and family all in > Aberdeen in 1889, 1901 & 1911 On his marriage cert he is listed as sailor, > coasting trade. I know before he died mid 1920's he was on a fishing boat, > he fell to his death from the mast Also unable to find his death on > Scotland's People --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 05/02/2014 07:00, Angela wrote: > .... Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost > heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I have a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. It wouldn't be the badge of the Scottish Women's Rural Institutes, would it? You can see this (top left) at: http://www.swri.org.uk/ForSale/Badges.htm Gavin Bell

Hi Angela, A Google image search shows up the following : http://bit.ly/1dq7vn9 not very heart shaped far more star shaped to my eyes. As a general tip searching Google for the images or text you are looking for often throws up useful leads. Regards,Alexander > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:00:13 +1000 > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Aberdeen Trawlers > > Thank you Jenny I had been told they were members I thought it was > affiliated. Do you by any chance know if they had a badge shaped almost > heart shaped but the top has a couple of indentations? It's just that I have > a photo of my gt gt grandmother with her daughters and she and two of the > daughters have the same badge Worn at the throat. > Regards Angela > > > > Angela, the equivalent to the Masons for women is the Order of the Eastern > > Star. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forgot to mention but the boat was a trawler "Kathleen Burton" This was built at Hall Russell's yard at Aberdeen but was operating out of Hartepool when the accident happened George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 4 February 2014 19:10, George Brander <[email protected]> wrote: > Angela > I know that you said you looked for the death of John Geddes in > Scotlandspeople but did you do your search in "minor records" marine > returns? > There is a page there from the "Returns of Death at Sea" with a John > Geddes age 58 which would give a birth date of 1864 which ties in with the > census info from Howard. However report indicates he was "Scotch" and born > in Banff! It also says he died from concussion of the brain caused by a > fall whilst having a fit. > Worth considering. > George > > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > > > On 4 February 2014 13:05, Howard <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Angela, >> >> Have a look at the 1871 census for No.4 Garvock St, Aberdeen where John >> Geddes b Peterhead age 7 is with mother Barbara Geddes age 42 b >> Peterhead a washer woman, and two older siblings Alexander and Mary. >> >> You'll find this family in 1861: 44 Roanheads, Peterhead >> Barbara Geddes 29 Peterhead Fishmonger >> Alexander Geddes son 4 Peterhead >> Mary Milne dau 7 Mo Peterhead >> >> The births that then strike me in the IGI are >> - "John Hasting 14-1-1865 Peterhead to Barbara Hasting or Geddes" >> - "Mary Ann Hastings 2-10-1860 Peterhead to Barbara Hastings" >> - "Alexander Geddes 27-8-1857 Peterhead to Alexander Geddes & Barbara >> Hastie" >> while the IGI also shows that Alexander Geddes & Barbara Hasty marr >> 23-3-1857 Peterhead. >> I suspect Alexander Geddes died early on. >> >> There's more kicking around on both the Geddes and Hastie lines, but >> first you've got to satisfy yourself that this John Hasting is your John >> Geddes. I can find the family in 1881 where John Geddes age 16 is a >> general labourer - not very sea-like but....! >> >> I know Morrison hasn't come into it yet, but?..... Some of the >> informants in my family were as good as any making things up. >> >> Howard Geddes >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Angela I know that you said you looked for the death of John Geddes in Scotlandspeople but did you do your search in "minor records" marine returns? There is a page there from the "Returns of Death at Sea" with a John Geddes age 58 which would give a birth date of 1864 which ties in with the census info from Howard. However report indicates he was "Scotch" and born in Banff! It also says he died from concussion of the brain caused by a fall whilst having a fit. Worth considering. George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 4 February 2014 13:05, Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Angela, > > Have a look at the 1871 census for No.4 Garvock St, Aberdeen where John > Geddes b Peterhead age 7 is with mother Barbara Geddes age 42 b > Peterhead a washer woman, and two older siblings Alexander and Mary. > > You'll find this family in 1861: 44 Roanheads, Peterhead > Barbara Geddes 29 Peterhead Fishmonger > Alexander Geddes son 4 Peterhead > Mary Milne dau 7 Mo Peterhead > > The births that then strike me in the IGI are > - "John Hasting 14-1-1865 Peterhead to Barbara Hasting or Geddes" > - "Mary Ann Hastings 2-10-1860 Peterhead to Barbara Hastings" > - "Alexander Geddes 27-8-1857 Peterhead to Alexander Geddes & Barbara > Hastie" > while the IGI also shows that Alexander Geddes & Barbara Hasty marr > 23-3-1857 Peterhead. > I suspect Alexander Geddes died early on. > > There's more kicking around on both the Geddes and Hastie lines, but > first you've got to satisfy yourself that this John Hasting is your John > Geddes. I can find the family in 1881 where John Geddes age 16 is a > general labourer - not very sea-like but....! > > I know Morrison hasn't come into it yet, but?..... Some of the > informants in my family were as good as any making things up. > > Howard Geddes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great Grandfather John Geddes was at sea in all the census since his marriage His wife Margaret Geddes ( M.S. Henderson) and family all in Aberdeen in 1889, 1901 & 1911 On his marriage cert he is listed as sailor, coasting trade. I know before he died mid 1920's he was on a fishing boat, he fell to his death from the mast Also unable to find his death on Scotland's People Also tried Ancestry for his death in England On his marriage cert his parents are James Geddes & Barbara Geddes ( M.S. Morrison) both deceased I have looked for their deaths. I have been unable to find him on any census pre marriage. He is listed as 24yrs on his marriage in 1885 making his birth aprox 1861 The only record that comes near to fitting it is the 1871 Ganrie census has Barbara Morrison unmarried with son James ( I believe interchanable for John ) aged 9yrs. I would be really grateful for any suggestions . I have tried for years to find something so maybe someone having a fresh look might have an idea where I can go from here. One other thing I believe the family were Mason. Does anyone know is it possible to get informayion from the Lodges in Aberdeen? Angela --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you very much for the response Alison. I have been using scotlandspeople for a few years now and appreciate that these records are not yet available and was just being hopeful that someone who knew of this gentleman would see the post and have the information. As it is for a direct descendent (g grand-daughter) of Watson FRASER's that I am doing the research, and they know nothing other than his name, rough date of birth and place of birth, I thought I would throw out a few feelers before committing to actually buying a certificate that may not be the right one. Thanks again for your reply. Much appreciated. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: B&A Smith Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Watson FRASER born 1922 Turriff. Birth certificates from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk are only available for births prior to 1914, but if you can make a personal visit to a registrar's office in Scotland, you could obtain this information. If you know (or can guess) what school he attended, it might be possible to find his father's name in the school admission register. Those which survive are held at Aberdeenshire Archives and there is information about their collections at http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/education_learning/local_history/archives/loc_archiveshomepage.asp . Alison On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Wendy Burns <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All, > First time posting to this list so I wonder if anyone has any information > on the parents of Watson FRASER who was born in Turriff in 1922. Any help > would be much appreciated. > > Regars > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jo-Anne I support Gavin's view about researchers. We have been in touch with someone who can read medieval docs and translate the Latin bits [essential skills] and she has sent us summaries of several early Sasines. I feared she would be terrifically expensive but in the event she was very helpful, very quick AND comparatively inexpensive. I don't think she could do the research you need but there must be someone on the List who would know someone. A word of warning, the Kirk Session records can take a long time to get through even though they are in date order because there is often a certain amount of toing & froing in getting people to appear. We had one case where the records spread over several years and took hours to fully read. It's fascinating stuff so well worth doing it yourself!! Good hunting. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 4 February 2014 12:46, Gavin Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > On 04/02/2014 06:19, Jo-Anne HUBER wrote: > > > ... I am doing my research from across the pond in the US so at this > point accessing the Kirk Session archives is not an option. > > You could always employ a professional researcher to do the necessary. > It wouldn't necessarily cost a huge amount - and any reputable > researcher would give you an estimate before starting the work. I have, > in the past, employed such researchers to dig out stuff in Archives I > could not easily get to (such as the UK National Archives in London) and > have been satisfied with the cost and the result. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 04/02/2014 06:19, Jo-Anne HUBER wrote: > ... I am doing my research from across the pond in the US so at this point accessing the Kirk Session archives is not an option. You could always employ a professional researcher to do the necessary. It wouldn't necessarily cost a huge amount - and any reputable researcher would give you an estimate before starting the work. I have, in the past, employed such researchers to dig out stuff in Archives I could not easily get to (such as the UK National Archives in London) and have been satisfied with the cost and the result. Gavin Bell

Angela, Have a look at the 1871 census for No.4 Garvock St, Aberdeen where John Geddes b Peterhead age 7 is with mother Barbara Geddes age 42 b Peterhead a washer woman, and two older siblings Alexander and Mary. You'll find this family in 1861: 44 Roanheads, Peterhead Barbara Geddes 29 Peterhead Fishmonger Alexander Geddes son 4 Peterhead Mary Milne dau 7 Mo Peterhead The births that then strike me in the IGI are - "John Hasting 14-1-1865 Peterhead to Barbara Hasting or Geddes" - "Mary Ann Hastings 2-10-1860 Peterhead to Barbara Hastings" - "Alexander Geddes 27-8-1857 Peterhead to Alexander Geddes & Barbara Hastie" while the IGI also shows that Alexander Geddes & Barbara Hasty marr 23-3-1857 Peterhead. I suspect Alexander Geddes died early on. There's more kicking around on both the Geddes and Hastie lines, but first you've got to satisfy yourself that this John Hasting is your John Geddes. I can find the family in 1881 where John Geddes age 16 is a general labourer - not very sea-like but....! I know Morrison hasn't come into it yet, but?..... Some of the informants in my family were as good as any making things up. Howard Geddes

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Angela <[email protected]> wrote: > My great Grandfather John Geddes was at sea in all the census since his > marriage His wife Margaret Geddes ( M.S. Henderson) and family all in > Aberdeen in 1889, 1901 & 1911 On his marriage cert he is listed as sailor, > coasting trade. I know before he died mid 1920's he was on a fishing boat, > he fell to his death from the mast Also unable to find his death on > Scotland's People Also tried Ancestry for his death in England For English records, http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ is a recommended aid, but even if you find a possible match, you will need to buy the certificate in order to get all the details. > The only record that comes near to fitting it is the 1871 Ganrie census > has Barbara Morrison unmarried with son James ( I believe interchanable for > John ) John and James have always been entirely separate names. But it's not unknown for census enumerators to make errors. > One other thing I believe the family were Mason. Does anyone know is it > possible to get informayion from the Lodges in Aberdeen? > I had always understood that only men were permitted to join a Masonic Lodge. You might find it worth getting in touch with http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/, who I have found helpful in the past. It's likely that some of our Aberdeen city folk can supply more precise details about the Lodges there. Alison