George, That comment was misdirected. It was intended to go, with the string of Jamieson points, to Francis Jamieson in London...the only male Jamieson left in the branch from Bellie to which my wife's mother belonged. Tom On 27 February 2014 00:35, George Jamieson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Why might Francis be interested ? > > It's been a while since we last exchange info. How's your research gong? > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Tom Graham > Sent: 26 February 2014 10:19 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants > > Francis, > You might find this interesting. > Tom > > > On 25 February 2014 18:21, George Jamieson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi Ray, > > > > Thanks for the details. I've seen soo many variants it's difficult to > > list them. > > > > Interested to hear of the Scottish McKeamish and Gaelic Mac Sheumais. > > I've not had any researchers claiming a connection and I would not > > have expected any. I obviously need to contact them. So thanks for > pointing it out. > > > > I have early tree for George Jamesone (1586-1644) and researchers > > hoping to prove a connection. Also have descendant of Irish Whiskey > > Jameson, originally from Scotland. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy > > Sent: 25 February 2014 00:25 > > To: Aberdeen List > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants > > > > On 24 February 2014 17:36, George Jamieson > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected > > > connections to George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish > > > Whiskey JAMESON or any other notable families bearing the name ? > > > ================================= > > > > > > Hi George > > > > You might like to know that the Oxford book of Surnames gives the > > following variants for Jameson: > > > > English: Jameson, Jamison, Jamieson > > > > Chiefly Scottish: Jemison, Jimson, Jimpson, Gemson, Gimson [the last > > often has a hard 'g'] > > > > Scottish: McKeamish, McJames > > > > Gaelic: Mac Sheumais > > > > Jamesone doesn't get a mention, probably because it is a fairly simple > > and obvious variant. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Ray Hennessy > > www.whatsinaname.net > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tom, Why might Francis be interested ? It's been a while since we last exchange info. How's your research gong? George -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Graham Sent: 26 February 2014 10:19 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants Francis, You might find this interesting. Tom On 25 February 2014 18:21, George Jamieson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Thanks for the details. I've seen soo many variants it's difficult to > list them. > > Interested to hear of the Scottish McKeamish and Gaelic Mac Sheumais. > I've not had any researchers claiming a connection and I would not > have expected any. I obviously need to contact them. So thanks for pointing it out. > > I have early tree for George Jamesone (1586-1644) and researchers > hoping to prove a connection. Also have descendant of Irish Whiskey > Jameson, originally from Scotland. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy > Sent: 25 February 2014 00:25 > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants > > On 24 February 2014 17:36, George Jamieson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected > > connections to George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish > > Whiskey JAMESON or any other notable families bearing the name ? > > ================================= > > > Hi George > > You might like to know that the Oxford book of Surnames gives the > following variants for Jameson: > > English: Jameson, Jamison, Jamieson > > Chiefly Scottish: Jemison, Jimson, Jimpson, Gemson, Gimson [the last > often has a hard 'g'] > > Scottish: McKeamish, McJames > > Gaelic: Mac Sheumais > > Jamesone doesn't get a mention, probably because it is a fairly simple > and obvious variant. > > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Francis, You might find this interesting. Tom On 25 February 2014 18:21, George Jamieson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Thanks for the details. I've seen soo many variants it's difficult to list > them. > > Interested to hear of the Scottish McKeamish and Gaelic Mac Sheumais. I've > not had any researchers claiming a connection and I would not have expected > any. I obviously need to contact them. So thanks for pointing it out. > > I have early tree for George Jamesone (1586-1644) and researchers hoping to > prove a connection. Also have descendant of Irish Whiskey Jameson, > originally from Scotland. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy > Sent: 25 February 2014 00:25 > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants > > On 24 February 2014 17:36, George Jamieson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected > > connections to George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish > > Whiskey JAMESON or any other notable families bearing the name ? > > ================================= > > > Hi George > > You might like to know that the Oxford book of Surnames gives the following > variants for Jameson: > > English: Jameson, Jamison, Jamieson > > Chiefly Scottish: Jemison, Jimson, Jimpson, Gemson, Gimson [the last often > has a hard 'g'] > > Scottish: McKeamish, McJames > > Gaelic: Mac Sheumais > > Jamesone doesn't get a mention, probably because it is a fairly simple and > obvious variant. > > Best wishes > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All the children of Alexander Ga[i]rtly & Jean Watt were born at Knappartnow. Baptismal witnesses were: Alexr 1762 Alexr. Ingram in Collithie, Alexander Gairtly in Knapartknows Jean 1764 Alexr. Gartly younger + 2 others William 1770 the congregation Jannet 1776 John Gartly, Donald McLean & Jannet Johnston Robert 1778 William Ellis & Mary Taylor. [This means there were at least 2 adult Alexander Gartlys living at Knappartknow in the 1760s] John Gartly & Jean Watt had children between 1746 & 1757 - the last one at least being at Knappartknow. It may be that John Gartly died and that Jean Watt re-married, to Alexander Gartly, but that would mean she had children over a period of 32yrs? John Gairtly & Jean Watt had a son John bpt.8 Apr 1752 which is not far off for the birth of the clockmaker (d.Sep 5 1827 in his 78th year). Stuart -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 12:17 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ray, Thanks for the details. I've seen soo many variants it's difficult to list them. Interested to hear of the Scottish McKeamish and Gaelic Mac Sheumais. I've not had any researchers claiming a connection and I would not have expected any. I obviously need to contact them. So thanks for pointing it out. I have early tree for George Jamesone (1586-1644) and researchers hoping to prove a connection. Also have descendant of Irish Whiskey Jameson, originally from Scotland. George -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: 25 February 2014 00:25 To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] JAMIESON and variants On 24 February 2014 17:36, George Jamieson <[email protected]>wrote: > > Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected > connections to George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish > Whiskey JAMESON or any other notable families bearing the name ? > ================================= Hi George You might like to know that the Oxford book of Surnames gives the following variants for Jameson: English: Jameson, Jamison, Jamieson Chiefly Scottish: Jemison, Jimson, Jimpson, Gemson, Gimson [the last often has a hard 'g'] Scottish: McKeamish, McJames Gaelic: Mac Sheumais Jamesone doesn't get a mention, probably because it is a fairly simple and obvious variant. Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Thanks to this list, a Milne descendant tracked down an old Rootsweb entry. We now have found that ALEXANDER Milne born in 1856 and his half brother JOHN Milne born c1840 ended up in Indian Grove, Livingstone County, Illinois, USA. John married Sarah Stubbings in London in 1872. She is the daughter of Richard STUBBINGS and probably wife Diana Ann KIBBELL. Her half brother, Henry Watkins Stubbings, was also in Illinois. He is the son of Richard STUBBINGS and second wife Hannah CRESSWICK [nee RUSHAN ?].. The will of the John and Sarah's son George Alexander Milne linked the various Stubbings and Milne families. Alexander Milne married Elsie RAE in Illinois in 1884... Possibly Elspet Rae born 5th Feb1860 Tough ABD daughter of George RAE & Agnes ABERDEEN RECAP Alexander MILNE born ca 1800, christened 7th Dec 1800, Rhynie and Essie, Aberdeen, Scotland Parents: Peter Milne and Mary Gordon They also had the following children: James MILNE chr. 19th Jan 1803 Rhynie & Essie Margaret MILNE 4th July 1806 Rhynie & Essie George MILNE, 7th August 1820 St Nicholas, Aberdeen 1.. Alexander MILNE married Isabel/la TORRIE / TORRY, 30th May 1829, recorded at both Old Machar and St Nicholas. Isabella was the daughter of James TORRIE, Banff 2. Alexander MILNE married or lived with Sarah WATT ca 1844 3. Alexander MILNE married May/Majory DOW, 27th May 1849, Old Machar. May daughter of Robert Dow Alexander MILNE had the following children: ISABELLA Milne b ca 1830 [11in 1841 census] mother Isabella TORRIE MARY Milne ca 1832[ age 9 in 1841 census] ERSKINE/ASKIN Milne born ca 1834-36 [aged 7 in 1841 census ] ELIZABETH Milne b ca 1836 [aged 5 in 1841 census, aged 15-1851 census] JOHN Milne b ca 1840-1 [aged 1 in 1841 census, aged 10 1851 census] MARGARET Milne b ca 1844 [mother Sarah WATT] JAMES Milne b ca 1845 [1851 census aged 6] ALEXINA Milne b 1850 [mother May DOW] MAY Milne b ca 1854 ALEXANDER Milne b 23 Jan 1856 Of Alexander's family we know Mary MILNE married John PAISLEY [policeman] 1852 in Dumfries [As widow went to NZ 1870] Askin MILNE married 1) William HUTCHEON [butcher] 23rd January 1857 Dee St., Old Machar Askin Milne/HUTCHEON married 2) George Souter PIRIE [butcher] 18th January 1881. After the 1881 census they were in Ireland Margaret MILNE married James GRIMWOOD [seaman] 21st February 1867. She died in 1875. James remarried.[Ann McRae] Alexina MILNE married John DAVIDSON [ship carpenter] 19th August 1884 May MILNE married James STRACHAN [seaman] 19th July 1878 And now in 2014 we found John MILNE married Sarah STUBBINGS in London 1872 June ¼ before going to the USA [Indian Grove, Illinois] Alexander MILNE married Elsie RAE in 1884 in USA [Indian Grove Fairbury Illinois] Cheers Bobbie

Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:17:28 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Stuart Agree that Robert and William were probably brothers, but there is still uncertainty about who their parents were. For example, I have an OPR entry - "2nd December 1784 - William, legal son to John Gartly & Christian Archibald in Drumblane was bp. Witnesses Wm Balgowan, Alexr Gartly & Helen Ross." Was this the William who married Jean (AKA Jane) Cordiner on 26 August 1809? Or was it the William born to Alexander Gartly and Jean Watt on 12 August 1770? I have this Jean born abt. 6 March 1788. This is the sort of conundrum that makes Genealogy so interesting (and time consuming!) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Kath Petrie Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the ‘Star of India’ in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert’s father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters – Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly’s uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) ‘from home – 16 Huxter Row’ which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ray The anomaly was that a suspected ancestor lived in the house of a known GG uncle 30 years earlier. It is the link that I am trying to make. John Gartly (Gartley, Gairtly, Gurrly etc) the watchmaker had two daughters married in his home in Old Machar. I do not know how abstemious they were, but my G grandfather Robert was manager of the wine and spirit department in a store in Melbourne up to his death in 1904. Re Melbourne weather, we do get extremes in summer - often over 40C. Then next day can be a top of 20, hence the song 'Four seasons in one day'. Hope you are not suffering flooding or sub-zero weather! Ross -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:41 AM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen On 24 February 2014 12:37, Ross McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings All > > snipped > Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, > married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' > which > was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! > ======================= Hi Ross Not sure what the anomaly is but if you are concerned that he was married in a private house, the norm in those days was for the 'ceremony' to be performed at home. Gavin suggested it was because the marriage was usually followed by riotous behaviour and not a little drunkenness and The Kirk didn't want to be associated with that part of the proceedings! Hope you haven't suffered from your unbearable heat wave! I believe Melbourne was spared. Ray ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Janet Yes I have trolled through OPR films, and maintained ScotlandsPeople's profit margin for years. Re Stonehaven, John Gartly (the policeman) first married Elizabeth Thomson in Rhynie & Essie in 1846 (from whom I am descended) then married for the second time to Jane Coutts and they had a further nine children registered in Dunnottar. Will follow up Colin Milne as suggested. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Janet Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen I immediately wonder about the gap in children between 1797 to 1801, there is room for one more! Have you included that gap in your searches, I presume so, but thought it was worth a mention. Additionally, as you have an interest in the Stonehaven area, you might find Colin Milne very helpful http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nescotland/ I have mentioned him here before. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the ‘Star of India’ in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert’s father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters – Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly’s uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) ‘from home – 16 Huxter Row’ which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 3 children of Robert Gartly & Ann Cran were all born at Knappartnow 1820-1826, and all of them had William Gartly at Knappartnow as a witness. William Gartly at Knappartnow had 7 children with between 1810 and 1826 with wife Jean Cordiner. Assuming Robert & William were brothers, this makes it likely that they were sons of Alexander "Gairtly" & Jean Watt, b. 1778 and 1770 respectively. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ross McDonald Sent: 25 February 2014 00:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Thanks Goldie One of my problems is trying to verify who were the parents of my target - in the parish of Gartly (very ancient name) were many Williams, Johns and Roberts. Searching through the OPR films gives a clue with who were the witnesses to a birth, and rarely to a wedding, which can narrow the field to some degree. As I am now searching pre-census there are few clues as to who else was in the household. It would be great if the Kirk Session minutes were accessible on-line or films were available through Family Search, but I guess we will just have to be patient. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the 'Star of India' in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert's father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters - Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 24 February 2014 17:36, George Jamieson <[email protected]>wrote: > > Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected connections to > George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish Whiskey JAMESON or any > other notable families bearing the name ? > ================================= Hi George You might like to know that the Oxford book of Surnames gives the following variants for Jameson: English: Jameson, Jamison, Jamieson Chiefly Scottish: Jemison, Jimson, Jimpson, Gemson, Gimson [the last often has a hard 'g'] Scottish: McKeamish, McJames Gaelic: Mac Sheumais Jamesone doesn't get a mention, probably because it is a fairly simple and obvious variant. Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net

Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the ‘Star of India’ in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert’s father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters – Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly’s uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) ‘from home – 16 Huxter Row’ which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne

Hi All, Is there any JAMIESON researchers on the list with suspected connections to George JAMESONE the Scottish Van Dyke, the Irish Whiskey JAMESON or any other notable families bearing the name ? Please get in touch as we are trying to develop any and all possibilities. George

On 24 February 2014 12:37, Ross McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings All > > snipped > Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, > married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' which > was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! > ======================= Hi Ross Not sure what the anomaly is but if you are concerned that he was married in a private house, the norm in those days was for the 'ceremony' to be performed at home. Gavin suggested it was because the marriage was usually followed by riotous behaviour and not a little drunkenness and The Kirk didn't want to be associated with that part of the proceedings! Hope you haven't suffered from your unbearable heat wave! I believe Melbourne was spared. Ray

I immediately wonder about the gap in children between 1797 to 1801, there is room for one more! Have you included that gap in your searches, I presume so, but thought it was worth a mention. Additionally, as you have an interest in the Stonehaven area, you might find Colin Milne very helpful http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nescotland/ I have mentioned him here before. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the ‘Star of India’ in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert’s father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters – Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly’s uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) ‘from home – 16 Huxter Row’ which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Just found a sheet I did on Gartly family research.....and this says GARTLY not GAIRTLY as I had before off the film. This is the family of William Gartly.(no wife given) ......William c 30 Dec 1718, Robert c 1 Mar 1721, Christen c 29 Apr 1722, John c 4 Nov 1714, Gartly female c 1 Apr 1729, Jean c 11 Aug 1726, Elspet c 19 July 1717, Elizabeth c 26 Apr 1724 and Ann 24 Oct 1713. No idea why Ann is mentioned last........possibly a first marriage? All these children are born Gartly parish.....and to answer a likely question, no, I never did find out if Gartly was named after this family or not. At the time these children were born Gartly was in Banffshire...... The only other info I have is that I suspected William c 30 Dec 1718 married Jean McRobert 30 May 1739 in Gartly. The Elizabeth c 1724 is the one who married George Innes from Huntly in 1744. I have nothing further on this family. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ross McDonald Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen Greetings All My maternal G Grandfather Robert Gartly (born Rhynie 1852) arrived in Melbourne aboard the ‘Star of India’ in 1871. On his death in 1904, a pocket watch made by John Gartly was mentioned in his will. I now own that watch. Robert’s father, John Gartly (born parish of Gartly 1826, died 1879 as Sergeant of Police and Deputy Chief Constable of Kincardineshire at Stonehaven) son of Robert Gartly and Ann Cran, living in Knappartknows, Gartly (OPR). I have been trying for several years to confirm my descent from John Gartly, watchmaker, however I have not been able to identify any male children. He died in Old Machar in 1827. His will mentions only daughters – Barbara b 1796, Isabella b 1797 and Catharine b 1801. Their mother was Katharine Morison. As John Gartly and Katharine Morison were married in 1794, were there any other children? Was John married before? There are a number of OPR births to a John Gartly, however, no mother is named, so I am unable to determine if any of these are in the family line. Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly’s uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) ‘from home – 16 Huxter Row’ which was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! Any suggestions on where to go from here would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ross Gartly McDonald Melbourne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting........I have a George Innes who married an GAIRTLY from Gartly in 1744.. Film #0993187 OPR says "Jul 27.1744 George Innes in the parish of Huntly gave up his name in Marriage to Elizabeth GAIRTLY in this parish and were married August 22". I never found any children. I did a bit of looking at this family and did find a Gairtly family (could be old spelling....in Gartly Parish in this time frame. By birth I am an Innes, and have often wondered if this George was a brother to my John who lived in Gartly parish. Good luck with this....Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:41 AM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] John Gartly, Watchmaker in Aberdeen On 24 February 2014 12:37, Ross McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings All > > snipped > Another anomaly is that Robert Gartly's uncle George (born 1824 in Gartly, > married Helen Leslie in Aberdeen in 1857) 'from home - 16 Huxter Row' > which > was the residence of John the watchmaker who died 30 years earlier! > ======================= Hi Ross Not sure what the anomaly is but if you are concerned that he was married in a private house, the norm in those days was for the 'ceremony' to be performed at home. Gavin suggested it was because the marriage was usually followed by riotous behaviour and not a little drunkenness and The Kirk didn't want to be associated with that part of the proceedings! Hope you haven't suffered from your unbearable heat wave! I believe Melbourne was spared. Ray ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning everyone.  Does anyone have information on the following individuals. Ann Gray b. circa 1811 Tough. d. 4 Dec 1874 "Headtown" Insch.  m. circa 1846 - William Wright (previously married to Anne Beattie d. 24 mar 1840.) Above three have MIs in Kirkton of Rayne Kirkyard Anne Gray was the daughter of James Gray and Isabella Hay (previously Strachan Many thanks...db David Britt Oceanside, California