You won't likely ever find a death record before 1855 when Births, Deaths and Marriages were supposed to be recorded. In these times death was a matter inescapable, and not too important. Birth and marriages were the big thing. However, if you are in a position to order the film of Tarves Parish OPR's into a LDS center and can go there to read it, you may get lucky and find a Mort Cloth page. When people died they could if they could afford it, rent a Mort Cloth that was placed over the coffin (or body) from the church to the gravesite. The Minister was required to keep an account of the money paid in rental of the Mort Cloth. So you may find this person's name on the Mort Cloth list but it will just tell you the day it was used, usually, and not the day of death. I have seen these lists that leave you wondering if Mr. Smith paid for the rental or did Mr. Smith die? You could just see (examples here only) Wife to Alex. Smith; so then you think it was for the wife of Alexander Smith, when it could have been paid for by his wife for him. Confused yet? However they never kept bodies long in those days unless it was the dead of winter. I have viewed some 30 or so films and I can tell you the Mort Cloth page isn't in all of the OPR pages. I can also attest to the fact that some Ministers did keep death pages in the OPR's....basically it just depends on your luck. Also, this is not something you can pick up off SP site either, as far as I know. You need to view the film. Good luck, Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Bob Wallace Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 12:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Tarves Parish death/burial records Apparently, another brick wall has fallen in my way. While looking for a death/burial record on ScotlandsPeople web site in their pre-1855 section with the date of death known, that date being 20 March 1840 and in his 68th year, no record is to be found for Alexander Wallace, the crofter/mason who died at Cairnbrogie on the date given above. Were death/burial records maintained in Tarves Parish or might this be one record that may have been missed if they were kept? Regards, Bob Wallace Fort Worth, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Isabel, I would hope to find her at the very least under McPhee, and as a bonus under one or even both married surnames as well. There seems one likely candidate. Isabella McPhee, other name Chalmers, died in 1873 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen, aged 55. This is an index entry from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . It is a pay site, for 5 credits you can download a digitised copy of the death entry. Good luck, John Lovie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Isabel Anderson Sent: 07 March 2014 01:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE, COOK, CHALMERS c1820 - I am looking for my G.G Grandmother's death in Aberdeen from 1871 on. Would Isabella be listed under McPHEE (m.s.) or COOK (1st marriage) or CHALMERS (2nd marriage)? I have not found her on '81 Census as yet. On the '61/'71 Census it has Isabella born in Inverness. She was living at 53 Longacre, Aberdeen with William CHALMERS. I have been unable to find her birth on Scotlandspeople. On her 1st marriage, it has Father John McFEE. I found Isabella has a child buried in Old Machar Churchyard and Isabella married in St. Nicholas/St Clements. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Isabel NZ. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an Isabella Chalmers or McPhee, b.ca. 1818 who dies in Aberdeenshire, thuogh not Aberdeen City, in 1873. Cook is not indexed in this one. Usually when looking for an Isabella in ScP, enter "Is" as the search term (with Forenames that begin with) to pick up all the variants - Isa, Isobel, Isabella, etc. Then try "Bella". By 1871 Scottish death certificates should have all spouses listed by name. Scotlandspeople apparently has indexing space for up to 3 surnames. If it is clear on the certificate that someone is illegitimate then they should be indexed under both father and mother's names as well as married name for females. I don't know how they choose which names to leave out if there are more than 3 alternatives. Stuart Petrie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Isabel Anderson Sent: 07 March 2014 01:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE, COOK, CHALMERS c1820 - I am looking for my G.G Grandmother's death in Aberdeen from 1871 on. Would Isabella be listed under McPHEE (m.s.) or COOK (1st marriage) or CHALMERS (2nd marriage)? I have not found her on '81 Census as yet. On the '61/'71 Census it has Isabella born in Inverness. She was living at 53 Longacre, Aberdeen with William CHALMERS. I have been unable to find her birth on Scotlandspeople. On her 1st marriage, it has Father John McFEE. I found Isabella has a child buried in Old Machar Churchyard and Isabella married in St. Nicholas/St Clements. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards, Isabel NZ. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Text inserted by Panda GP 2013: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_3263&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\c onfig\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Global%20Protecti on%202013\AntiSpam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------

As my text has been scrutinised for having given misleading information and caused scrutiny I must be allowed to respond: I was deliberate in being non specific because there is a certain amount of information that requires validation. I did not mention any dates. There is apparent uncertainty as to place of birth; no proof as to parents, as and living at various addresses and as to occupation "a farm labourer" and later "a Stonemason" which I have found is a quite lucrative profession in the time frame under discussion. The meaning of the word "certificate" is an official document serving as evidence, attesting a fact, in particular proof, verification of. birth, marriage, death, as to a copy of without a seal; a suitably qualified person can write upon a copy document as to the content and possession of the original. I have continued to watch this thread in case I recognise anything where I can assist from my own GRANT records. . Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William Grant You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you are uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and 1901 he is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a boarder, and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's great grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find yourself climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck Have since read what others have written here. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

sorry that should read "pre 1855 record of birth or baptism" Just a senior moment making a silly typo George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 6 March 2014 22:29, George Brander <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the point which Ray was making was that a pre 1885 record of birth > or baptism call it what you want is not going to give up the same quality > or quantity of information as a post 1855 image from the Statutory Register > of Births. A valid point I thought. Of course one can get lucky and get an > 1855 record which is like striking gold. > regards > George > > George Brander > Torre de la Horadada > España > > > On 6 March 2014 22:17, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> It is possible for someone to have a birth 'certificate,' prior to 1855, >> albeit as a Certificate of Baptism, which some Parishes gave, which also >> showed the date of birth and the witnesses. These will, of course, not be >> recorded in 'official' records but will be found amongst family documents. >> >> Regards >> Les >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I think the point which Ray was making was that a pre 1885 record of birth or baptism call it what you want is not going to give up the same quality or quantity of information as a post 1855 image from the Statutory Register of Births. A valid point I thought. Of course one can get lucky and get an 1855 record which is like striking gold. regards George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 6 March 2014 22:17, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > It is possible for someone to have a birth 'certificate,' prior to 1855, > albeit as a Certificate of Baptism, which some Parishes gave, which also > showed the date of birth and the witnesses. These will, of course, not be > recorded in 'official' records but will be found amongst family documents. > > Regards > Les > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all It is possible for someone to have a birth 'certificate,' prior to 1855, albeit as a Certificate of Baptism, which some Parishes gave, which also showed the date of birth and the witnesses. These will, of course, not be recorded in 'official' records but will be found amongst family documents. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Correction: Mine was an observation. I take the view that we all have our own way of doing things and I wouldnt try to influence one way or the other. It seemed to me that one man had done a lot with his life, as well as being married more than once. As the name is not uncommon I have recognised it is easy to find more than one of the same name and a paper record is the best way to avoid doubt. My personal opinion. I do have a William GRANT in my maternal ancestry who married more than twice. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <[email protected]> To: "Aberdeen List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William Grant On 6 March 2014 09:07, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you > are > uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you > considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and > 1901 he > is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a > boarder, > and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's > great > grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find > yourself > climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck > Have since read what others have written here. > > Janet > ==================================== > Hi Mina Janet has given you slightly misleading information. In 1832 the birth of William, your husband's great grandfather, would have been recorded in the OPR for the parish. There was no certificate in those pre-1855 days and in some parishes the mother's name wasn't recorded. What was recorded would be the date of baptism, the father and the name of his residence. Sometimes a separate birth date was given and in many cases two witnesses would be named with their places of residence. These might be relatives which can be pure gold [we once found the baby's grandfather named as such immediately giving us an extra generation!!] Having found the names of William's parents you should be able to find their marriage in the OPRs but remember that the name GRANT is extremely common so proving you have the right ones will depend on him having a wife with an unusual name, or be in the same parish. Unfortunately the residence within parish was seldom recorded and you have to go back to probable births to see if the address has remained the same. Even this often isn't absolutely certain because of the Scottish naming pattern which often gave rise to several of the same name living and/or being born at the same place. If you want an explanation of this just ask. When we were looking for a birth we found [unrelated to us] a house n Methlick parish with *four* James CHEYNEs living at the same farm. So, at this level finding certain connections depends on some corroborating detail and tons of luck. Be lucky Ray ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I doubt someone as experienced as Janet was being misleading. More likely she was using a shorthand term "certificate" to mean a birth registration. Given we can see register pages on Scotlands People I suspect exceptionally few of us will have actual certificates. Far more likely we have scans of the register page (either OPRs or statutory registers) yet we still tend to refer to the register scans as a birth/marriage/death certificate when in reality they aren't certificates at all only scans of a register page. So I'm perfectly happy to accept the use of the term "birth certificate" to mean a scan of the appropriate page of the appropriate register regardless of year. Regards Alexander Sent from my iPad Air > On 6 Mar 2014, at 17:37, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 6 March 2014 09:07, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you >> are >> uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you >> considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and >> 1901 he >> is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a >> boarder, >> and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's >> great >> grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find >> yourself >> climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck >> Have since read what others have written here. >> >> Janet >> ==================================== >> > > Hi Mina > > Janet has given you slightly misleading information. In 1832 the birth of > William, your husband's great grandfather, would have been recorded in the > OPR for the parish. There was no certificate in those pre-1855 days and in > some parishes the mother's name wasn't recorded. What was recorded would > be the date of baptism, the father and the name of his residence. > Sometimes a separate birth date was given and in many cases two witnesses > would be named with their places of residence. These might be relatives > which can be pure gold [we once found the baby's grandfather named as such > immediately giving us an extra generation!!] > > Having found the names of William's parents you should be able to find > their marriage in the OPRs but remember that the name GRANT is extremely > common so proving you have the right ones will depend on him having a wife > with an unusual name, or be in the same parish. Unfortunately the > residence within parish was seldom recorded and you have to go back to > probable births to see if the address has remained the same. Even this > often isn't absolutely certain because of the Scottish naming pattern > which often gave rise to several of the same name living and/or being born > at the same place. > > If you want an explanation of this just ask. When we were looking for a > birth we found [unrelated to us] a house n Methlick parish with *four* > James CHEYNEs living at the same farm. So, at this level finding certain > connections depends on some corroborating detail and tons of luck. > > Be lucky > > Ray > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 6 March 2014 09:07, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you > are > uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you > considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and > 1901 he > is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a > boarder, > and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's > great > grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find > yourself > climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck > Have since read what others have written here. > > Janet > ==================================== > Hi Mina Janet has given you slightly misleading information. In 1832 the birth of William, your husband's great grandfather, would have been recorded in the OPR for the parish. There was no certificate in those pre-1855 days and in some parishes the mother's name wasn't recorded. What was recorded would be the date of baptism, the father and the name of his residence. Sometimes a separate birth date was given and in many cases two witnesses would be named with their places of residence. These might be relatives which can be pure gold [we once found the baby's grandfather named as such immediately giving us an extra generation!!] Having found the names of William's parents you should be able to find their marriage in the OPRs but remember that the name GRANT is extremely common so proving you have the right ones will depend on him having a wife with an unusual name, or be in the same parish. Unfortunately the residence within parish was seldom recorded and you have to go back to probable births to see if the address has remained the same. Even this often isn't absolutely certain because of the Scottish naming pattern which often gave rise to several of the same name living and/or being born at the same place. If you want an explanation of this just ask. When we were looking for a birth we found [unrelated to us] a house n Methlick parish with *four* James CHEYNEs living at the same farm. So, at this level finding certain connections depends on some corroborating detail and tons of luck. Be lucky Ray

On 05/03/14 21:00, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. and > One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, > .. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 But in a second email, > William supposedly died of pleurisy and pneumonia on 28 Nov 1903. and > was Charles who is listed as dying at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn age > 48 on 1-June-1906 Neither date matches! > She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. I have Isabella, b. abt1803, as the 6th child of Alexander Massie and Isabella/Isobel Bell. Alexander was b. abt 1761-1765 in Kincardineshire, and Isabella Bell 27 Dec 1758, in Maryculter. -- Regards Dave

Hi Mina William aged 71 died in Newhills has a death certificate on the Scotland's People site. I don't have enough credits left to see the certificate itself. If you register with ScP [ www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ] you will have to buy 30 credits for £7 or equivalent. If you search on the Statutory Death certificates for 1903 Aberdeenshire you will find 3 hits. to see the list you use one credit. Then to download the certificate itself will cost 5 credits. You can store the certificate and print it. It should show the parents if the informant knew who they were! I've had a look in Family Search and there was a Wm Grant born in Newhills on 25 October 1832, baptized 13 November 1832. His parents were Wm GRANT and Margaret SPENCE. If you are content with this then you don't need to go to ScP to find the data. I'm not sure from what you have posted if William was in fact born in Newhills. There were over 1200 William Grants born in Scotland and unless you can determine where he was born, searching through that lot is a major task. The Newhills one I found was the 4th on the list - there may be more as the list is many pages long. BTW: "Angel" is a bit strong, Mina. I'm just interested in searches where I can possibly help. We have Grants appearing briefly in my wife's ancestry but they are back in the 15th century so unlikely to be directly connected! Keep looking and you'll break through. More help readily available if you need it. Best of luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 6 March 2014 12:37, Mina Patricia Grant <[email protected]> wrote: > Ray, My husbands family (GRANT) Had many letters, pictures tales etc. I > do not have Williams Death certificate just what was written by the > family. They did live both in Aberdeen , Bucksburn and Newhills. I have > pictures of the family plot in Newhills.( I also have pictures of my MIL > Williamina' Scott Grant's grave in The Grove, with William Mc Pherson and > his wife Mary Scott. She was raised by them. ) > > William supposedly died of pleurisy and pneumonia on 28 Nov 1903.As he was > born in 1832 that would be age 71 matching the death in Newhills. Where is > the best place to order the Death Certificates for William and Charles? > > His son Charles S. Grant died of a brain tumor in 1906. We started > genealogy research in 1995 when my husband was diagnosed with ALS and we > wanted to see if wasting diseases ran in the family. None were found. (But > my middle son was diagnosed with Brain Cancer in May. )Checked my old > written records and it was Charles who is listed as dying at Gilbert > Crescent, Bucksburn age 48 on 1-June-1906 His second wife Mary Rankin Young > Grant lived there with their 6 children and some of the children of his > first marriage to Jessie Gray. > > Are you researching the Grant line or just being a helpful angel? If you > want more information just let me know > Pat, in MIchigan > > > On Mar 6, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi again Mina > > > > Did you get William's death certificate from Scotland's People? They > > should have it although there isn't a Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen today. > > There is a Gilbert Road in Bucksburn. > > > > Of the three William Grant's who died & were registered in Aberdeenshire > in > > 1903 [there were none in Aberdeen City], only one is near the right age. > > He is 71 and died in Newhills. I haven't looked at the actual > certificate > > and there is no gilbert Crescent in Newhills today. All in all, the > > information you have is a bit confusing. How do you know what he died > of? > > Is there any chance he was registered under a different name? There is a > > "Medical Group" at 39 Gilbert Road but it doesn't suggest it's a care > home > > where he might have died. > > > > Any more info you can share?? > > > > Keep hunting > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ray, Mina, I have a couple of relatives living in 9 Gilbert Crescent, Newhills in 1901, so the road did exist then. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: 06 March 2014 11:51 To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William Grant Hi again Mina Did you get William's death certificate from Scotland's People? They should have it although there isn't a Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen today. There is a Gilbert Road in Bucksburn. Of the three William Grant's who died & were registered in Aberdeenshire in 1903 [there were none in Aberdeen City], only one is near the right age. He is 71 and died in Newhills. I haven't looked at the actual certificate and there is no gilbert Crescent in Newhills today. All in all, the information you have is a bit confusing. How do you know what he died of? Is there any chance he was registered under a different name? There is a "Medical Group" at 39 Gilbert Road but it doesn't suggest it's a care home where he might have died. Any more info you can share?? Keep hunting Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 6 March 2014 01:44, Mina Patricia Grant <[email protected]> wrote: > Barbara and Ray....Thanks so much for the information. Before my > husband died in 1997 we were able to get a picture of him in front of > Craighearn in the same spot as Charlie. My MIL played violin in > Tilyfourie and we visted there. William Grant died at Gilbert Crescent > in Aberdeen.Another puzzle piece added helps On Mar 5, 2014, at 8:29 > PM, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Mina Did you get William's death certificate from Scotland's People? They should have it although there isn't a Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen today. There is a Gilbert Road in Bucksburn. Of the three William Grant's who died & were registered in Aberdeenshire in 1903 [there were none in Aberdeen City], only one is near the right age. He is 71 and died in Newhills. I haven't looked at the actual certificate and there is no gilbert Crescent in Newhills today. All in all, the information you have is a bit confusing. How do you know what he died of? Is there any chance he was registered under a different name? There is a "Medical Group" at 39 Gilbert Road but it doesn't suggest it's a care home where he might have died. Any more info you can share?? Keep hunting Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 6 March 2014 01:44, Mina Patricia Grant <[email protected]> wrote: > Barbara and Ray....Thanks so much for the information. Before my husband > died in 1997 we were able to get a picture of him in front of Craighearn in > the same spot as Charlie. My MIL played violin in Tilyfourie and we visted > there. William Grant died at Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen.Another puzzle > piece added helps > On Mar 5, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You have certainly given a lot of information about this family. As you are uncertain about the parents of your husband's great grandfather, have you considered you might have two males of the same name. Between 1885 and 1901 he is married for a second time, to either Isabella or Elizabeth, been a boarder, and a Stonemason. I would get the birth certificate of your husband's great grandfather and his parents' marriage certificate and you might find yourself climbing that brick wall again. Good Luck Have since read what others have written here. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Ray, My husbands family (GRANT) Had many letters, pictures tales etc. I do not have Williams Death certificate just what was written by the family. They did live both in Aberdeen , Bucksburn and Newhills. I have pictures of the family plot in Newhills.( I also have pictures of my MIL Williamina’ Scott Grant's grave in The Grove, with William Mc Pherson and his wife Mary Scott. She was raised by them. ) William supposedly died of pleurisy and pneumonia on 28 Nov 1903.As he was born in 1832 that would be age 71 matching the death in Newhills. Where is the best place to order the Death Certificates for William and Charles? His son Charles S. Grant died of a brain tumor in 1906. We started genealogy research in 1995 when my husband was diagnosed with ALS and we wanted to see if wasting diseases ran in the family. None were found. (But my middle son was diagnosed with Brain Cancer in May. )Checked my old written records and it was Charles who is listed as dying at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn age 48 on 1-June-1906 His second wife Mary Rankin Young Grant lived there with their 6 children and some of the children of his first marriage to Jessie Gray. Are you researching the Grant line or just being a helpful angel? If you want more information just let me know Pat, in MIchigan On Mar 6, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi again Mina > > Did you get William's death certificate from Scotland's People? They > should have it although there isn't a Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen today. > There is a Gilbert Road in Bucksburn. > > Of the three William Grant's who died & were registered in Aberdeenshire in > 1903 [there were none in Aberdeen City], only one is near the right age. > He is 71 and died in Newhills. I haven't looked at the actual certificate > and there is no gilbert Crescent in Newhills today. All in all, the > information you have is a bit confusing. How do you know what he died of? > Is there any chance he was registered under a different name? There is a > "Medical Group" at 39 Gilbert Road but it doesn't suggest it's a care home > where he might have died. > > Any more info you can share?? > > Keep hunting

On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > My husband's great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. >>> snipped... ===================================== Mina You seem to have his death certificate but don't say where he died. If he died in Scotland, his parents should be listed on the DC. Furthermore, he should be on the 1841 Census, probably living with his family. There are 139 of his name in the 1841 census on FreeCEN born 1831±2 but a very high proportion are well outside that range of birth dates and outside the counties you list. If you haven't done so, have a look at the list and pick out the few that match reasonably closely. This might give you a lead to his parents especially if you know which county he was born in and moved to. Good luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 5 March 2014 23:13, Barbara <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Mina, > You did not mention whether you had the 1881 census or not. I show > William Grant, 49, and his wife Margaret, 54, at No. 2 Molen Cottages in > Tillyfourie, Monymusk. William is shown as being born in Abernethy, > Inverness. He is a Granite Causeway Block Maker. Son William, age 17 > born in Newhills, is also in the household with the same profession as > his father. There are two boarders..Archibald Wilson and David Booth. > Son Charles S Grant, 22, born Newhills is at No. 8 Mowlen Cottages in > Tillyfourie with the same profession as his father. Also there is > Charles' wife Jessie G Grant and their son William Grant, 2 months, born > Monymusk. As you mentioned, Jessie G was born in Dyce. > Don't know if any of this information helps you or if you already had it > but thought I would pass it along just in case. > Best wishes, > Barbara > > > On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > > > My husband's great grandfather William was born 1831but on various > censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either > Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy > and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. > snipped... > > > > One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my > husband's grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He > also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. snipped.. > > > > Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in > Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but > came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. > married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. > > > > They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned > to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in > Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. > > > > William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help > offered. I am expecting the results of my son's DNA 67 anyday and shall > post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated '"as soon ad I can. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barbara and Ray….Thanks so much for the information. Before my husband died in 1997 we were able to get a picture of him in front of Craighearn in the same spot as Charlie. My MIL played violin in Tilyfourie and we visted there. William Grant died at Gilbert Crescent in Aberdeen.Another puzzle piece added helps On Mar 5, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Ray Hennessy <[email protected]> wrote: > On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mina, You did not mention whether you had the 1881 census or not. I show William Grant, 49, and his wife Margaret, 54, at No. 2 Molen Cottages in Tillyfourie, Monymusk. William is shown as being born in Abernethy, Inverness. He is a Granite Causeway Block Maker. Son William, age 17 born in Newhills, is also in the household with the same profession as his father. There are two boarders..Archibald Wilson and David Booth. Son Charles S Grant, 22, born Newhills is at No. 8 Mowlen Cottages in Tillyfourie with the same profession as his father. Also there is Charles' wife Jessie G Grant and their son William Grant, 2 months, born Monymusk. As you mentioned, Jessie G was born in Dyce. Don't know if any of this information helps you or if you already had it but thought I would pass it along just in case. Best wishes, Barbara On 3/5/2014 4:00 PM, Mina Patricia Grant wrote: > My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. snipped... > > One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. snipped.. > > Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. > > They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. > > William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can.