Has it not occurred to any that my posts might be moderated? Can we continue with genealogy interests. Janet >________________________________ > From: Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant > > >As I write it is now 19.29 on 10 March, 2014 which I can confirm is correct >according to Greenwich Mean Time. I cant do anything from the point when my >posts leave my computer. >I am beginning to think the Ides of March have come early! > >Janet > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Isabel Re the McPHEEs, a ittle story for you. ================================ We were staying with Sheena's cousin Kitty [short for Christian] who said "we'll go for a little run in your car" i.e. my car! After the first 100miles we stopped at a pub for coffee. After a bit in came an aul mannie who leant on our table and said "Ah'm nae verry weel". Kitty was very considerate to him, explaining how to breathe better in bed with lots of pillows etc. He said, "Ma trector has been vandalised". "Who by" Kitty said. "By the McPhees," he replied Kitty: "The toffs or the tinks?" "Aye, the tinks." "Na, I dinna ken the tinks," Kitty said, "but I ken the toffs." Kitty was a tax inspector [ ✟ ] and knew almost everybody in Aberdeenshire. And they knew her! We thought she had been really kind and considerate to the aul mannie. After we left, Kitty took our arms and said "Borin' aul bugger." Introduction to Aberdeenshire politesse! Our "little run" ended up as 256 miles but at least we saw the Ospreys at Loch Garten. ================================ It was ten years ago but is still as clear in our foggy minds as yesterday - or better. Just thought you should know that there were two distinct tribes of the McPHEEs. Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 10 March 2014 08:46, Isabel Anderson <isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Thank you Ray, Alexander, Les, Alison, Janet Cheri & Mary, > > I had to name you all as I appreciate the good advice and information you > have given me. Now to answer your questions. > > I have not yet found a birth for Isabella McPHEE (FEE, FIE, PHIE) b c > 1818 -1820 in Inverness, Father John Mc. > I did find Isobel McPHIE 12.10.1818, Inverness F. William Mc, M. Sarah Neil > (not Fraser as on the Isabella's DC). Makes sense with Cheri's comment now. > William may have got the Mother and Grandmother's surnames mixed? > > I have her marriage cert from OPR Scotlandspeople. > Henry COOK, Seaman in Aberdeen, was on the Seventh day of August 1845. > Married at Aberdeen to Isabella McFEE, there daughter of John McFEE, Weaver > in Inverness, by the Reverend James Newlands, Minister of St. Clements > Parish, Aberdeen. In the presence of these witnesses, James Urquhart and > James Hudston, both Seamen in Aberdeen. > > Isabella McFEE & Henry COOK's children are, > Mary Ann b 1848, > Henry b 1850 > Jemima b 1852 (mine) all christened in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > In the 1851 Aberdeen Census they are all in Virginia Street minus Jemima. > In 1861 Essex Census I found Henry jnr and Jemima COOK in Wivenhoe with > Grandmother COOK. > (Janet, we do not know where Mary Ann COOK went (she would have been 12 & > no > death found for her). Maybe sent out to work? > In 1861 & 1871 Aberdeen Census Isabella & William CHALMERS live at 53 > Longacre, it seems with William's older children and baby Isabella CHALMERS > 3 mths old. (Isabella McPHEE died at the same address in 1873). > It is the baby Isabella's birth in Dec 1860 that has Mother Isabella McPHEE > or COOK, Father William CHALMERS. (Married in June 1860, St. Nicholas). > > William CHALMERS her 2nd husband was informant at Isabella McPHEE CHALMERS > death. > > 1st husband Henry COOK snr possibly died at sea (being a seaman) and I > would > think before 1860? > > The Isabella COOK who died in Jan. 1860 (Mother Isabella COOK ms McPHEE) > was aged 3 years and buried in Old Machar. No Father's name. (Possibly > Henry > COOK had died by then)?? > > Thank you, you have given me food for thought! > Isabel, > N.Z. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Ray, Alexander, Les, Alison, Janet Cheri & Mary, I had to name you all as I appreciate the good advice and information you have given me. Now to answer your questions. I have not yet found a birth for Isabella McPHEE (FEE, FIE, PHIE) b c 1818 -1820 in Inverness, Father John Mc. I did find Isobel McPHIE 12.10.1818, Inverness F. William Mc, M. Sarah Neil (not Fraser as on the Isabella's DC). Makes sense with Cheri's comment now. William may have got the Mother and Grandmother's surnames mixed? I have her marriage cert from OPR Scotlandspeople. Henry COOK, Seaman in Aberdeen, was on the Seventh day of August 1845. Married at Aberdeen to Isabella McFEE, there daughter of John McFEE, Weaver in Inverness, by the Reverend James Newlands, Minister of St. Clements Parish, Aberdeen. In the presence of these witnesses, James Urquhart and James Hudston, both Seamen in Aberdeen. Isabella McFEE & Henry COOK's children are, Mary Ann b 1848, Henry b 1850 Jemima b 1852 (mine) all christened in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. In the 1851 Aberdeen Census they are all in Virginia Street minus Jemima. In 1861 Essex Census I found Henry jnr and Jemima COOK in Wivenhoe with Grandmother COOK. (Janet, we do not know where Mary Ann COOK went (she would have been 12 & no death found for her). Maybe sent out to work? In 1861 & 1871 Aberdeen Census Isabella & William CHALMERS live at 53 Longacre, it seems with William's older children and baby Isabella CHALMERS 3 mths old. (Isabella McPHEE died at the same address in 1873). It is the baby Isabella's birth in Dec 1860 that has Mother Isabella McPHEE or COOK, Father William CHALMERS. (Married in June 1860, St. Nicholas). William CHALMERS her 2nd husband was informant at Isabella McPHEE CHALMERS death. 1st husband Henry COOK snr possibly died at sea (being a seaman) and I would think before 1860? The Isabella COOK who died in Jan. 1860 (Mother Isabella COOK ms McPHEE) was aged 3 years and buried in Old Machar. No Father's name. (Possibly Henry COOK had died by then)?? Thank you, you have given me food for thought! Isabel, N.Z.

Could the difficulties you are experiencing tracing McPhees (in their various spellings) possibly relate to many of this name being old fashioned tinkers/gypsies?. I imagine that they will have even more likely than their contemporaries not to have births and marriages recorded by the parish in which they happened to temporarily be at the time of the event Tom On 10 March 2014 08:46, Isabel Anderson <isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Thank you Ray, Alexander, Les, Alison, Janet Cheri & Mary, > > I had to name you all as I appreciate the good advice and information you > have given me. Now to answer your questions. > > I have not yet found a birth for Isabella McPHEE (FEE, FIE, PHIE) b c > 1818 -1820 in Inverness, Father John Mc. > I did find Isobel McPHIE 12.10.1818, Inverness F. William Mc, M. Sarah Neil > (not Fraser as on the Isabella's DC). Makes sense with Cheri's comment now. > William may have got the Mother and Grandmother's surnames mixed? > > I have her marriage cert from OPR Scotlandspeople. > Henry COOK, Seaman in Aberdeen, was on the Seventh day of August 1845. > Married at Aberdeen to Isabella McFEE, there daughter of John McFEE, Weaver > in Inverness, by the Reverend James Newlands, Minister of St. Clements > Parish, Aberdeen. In the presence of these witnesses, James Urquhart and > James Hudston, both Seamen in Aberdeen. > > Isabella McFEE & Henry COOK's children are, > Mary Ann b 1848, > Henry b 1850 > Jemima b 1852 (mine) all christened in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > In the 1851 Aberdeen Census they are all in Virginia Street minus Jemima. > In 1861 Essex Census I found Henry jnr and Jemima COOK in Wivenhoe with > Grandmother COOK. > (Janet, we do not know where Mary Ann COOK went (she would have been 12 & > no > death found for her). Maybe sent out to work? > In 1861 & 1871 Aberdeen Census Isabella & William CHALMERS live at 53 > Longacre, it seems with William's older children and baby Isabella CHALMERS > 3 mths old. (Isabella McPHEE died at the same address in 1873). > It is the baby Isabella's birth in Dec 1860 that has Mother Isabella McPHEE > or COOK, Father William CHALMERS. (Married in June 1860, St. Nicholas). > > William CHALMERS her 2nd husband was informant at Isabella McPHEE CHALMERS > death. > > 1st husband Henry COOK snr possibly died at sea (being a seaman) and I > would > think before 1860? > > The Isabella COOK who died in Jan. 1860 (Mother Isabella COOK ms McPHEE) > was aged 3 years and buried in Old Machar. No Father's name. (Possibly > Henry > COOK had died by then)?? > > Thank you, you have given me food for thought! > Isabel, > N.Z. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As I write it is now 19.29 on 10 March, 2014 which I can confirm is correct according to Greenwich Mean Time. I cant do anything from the point when my posts leave my computer. I am beginning to think the Ides of March have come early! Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Broekmann" <lawmen@iafrica.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant Hi Janet, A small housekeeping matter if I may. Your posts alway appear in my email with a date 2 or 3 days before they actually arrive. Could you please just check the date you have set on your computer? That might be the problem. Thanks, Steve S C Broekmann 3rd Floor, The Piazza on Church Square 32 Parliament Street Cape Town 8001 C 083 701 5867 T 021 465 7474 F 021 461 4681 Home 021 685-7388 On 07/03/2014 01:32 AM, Janet wrote: [snip] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Janet Your emails are sometimes out of date order on my input too, but not by as much as Steve, some are OK, two are one day late. Very odd Be lucky!! Ray ------ Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 10 March 2014 15:29, Steve Broekmann <lawmen@iafrica.com> wrote: > Hi Janet, > > A small housekeeping matter if I may. Your posts alway appear in my > email with a date 2 or 3 days before they actually arrive. Could you > please just check the date you have set on your computer? That might be > the problem. > > Thanks, > > Steve > >

NOW, really.........folks........how good does it get with stories like this one? Thanks, Ray.what a hooter.... Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:58 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE, COOK, CHALMERS Isabel Re the McPHEEs, a ittle story for you. ================================ We were staying with Sheena's cousin Kitty [short for Christian] who said "we'll go for a little run in your car" i.e. my car! After the first 100miles we stopped at a pub for coffee. After a bit in came an aul mannie who leant on our table and said "Ah'm nae verry weel". Kitty was very considerate to him, explaining how to breathe better in bed with lots of pillows etc. He said, "Ma trector has been vandalised". "Who by" Kitty said. "By the McPhees," he replied Kitty: "The toffs or the tinks?" "Aye, the tinks." "Na, I dinna ken the tinks," Kitty said, "but I ken the toffs." Kitty was a tax inspector [ ✟ ] and knew almost everybody in Aberdeenshire. And they knew her! We thought she had been really kind and considerate to the aul mannie. After we left, Kitty took our arms and said "Borin' aul bugger." Introduction to Aberdeenshire politesse! Our "little run" ended up as 256 miles but at least we saw the Ospreys at Loch Garten. ================================ It was ten years ago but is still as clear in our foggy minds as yesterday - or better. Just thought you should know that there were two distinct tribes of the McPHEEs. Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 10 March 2014 08:46, Isabel Anderson <isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Thank you Ray, Alexander, Les, Alison, Janet Cheri & Mary, > > I had to name you all as I appreciate the good advice and information you > have given me. Now to answer your questions. > > I have not yet found a birth for Isabella McPHEE (FEE, FIE, PHIE) b c > 1818 -1820 in Inverness, Father John Mc. > I did find Isobel McPHIE 12.10.1818, Inverness F. William Mc, M. Sarah > Neil > (not Fraser as on the Isabella's DC). Makes sense with Cheri's comment > now. > William may have got the Mother and Grandmother's surnames mixed? > > I have her marriage cert from OPR Scotlandspeople. > Henry COOK, Seaman in Aberdeen, was on the Seventh day of August 1845. > Married at Aberdeen to Isabella McFEE, there daughter of John McFEE, > Weaver > in Inverness, by the Reverend James Newlands, Minister of St. Clements > Parish, Aberdeen. In the presence of these witnesses, James Urquhart and > James Hudston, both Seamen in Aberdeen. > > Isabella McFEE & Henry COOK's children are, > Mary Ann b 1848, > Henry b 1850 > Jemima b 1852 (mine) all christened in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > In the 1851 Aberdeen Census they are all in Virginia Street minus Jemima. > In 1861 Essex Census I found Henry jnr and Jemima COOK in Wivenhoe with > Grandmother COOK. > (Janet, we do not know where Mary Ann COOK went (she would have been 12 & > no > death found for her). Maybe sent out to work? > In 1861 & 1871 Aberdeen Census Isabella & William CHALMERS live at 53 > Longacre, it seems with William's older children and baby Isabella > CHALMERS > 3 mths old. (Isabella McPHEE died at the same address in 1873). > It is the baby Isabella's birth in Dec 1860 that has Mother Isabella > McPHEE > or COOK, Father William CHALMERS. (Married in June 1860, St. Nicholas). > > William CHALMERS her 2nd husband was informant at Isabella McPHEE CHALMERS > death. > > 1st husband Henry COOK snr possibly died at sea (being a seaman) and I > would > think before 1860? > > The Isabella COOK who died in Jan. 1860 (Mother Isabella COOK ms McPHEE) > was aged 3 years and buried in Old Machar. No Father's name. (Possibly > Henry > COOK had died by then)?? > > Thank you, you have given me food for thought! > Isabel, > N.Z. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Due to problems with posting messages Sue is sending them to the List via me. All replies to the List or to Sue please. Carol - List Admin mailto:jsbarker1@hotkey.net.au I am researching the Shand Family of Old Machar. George Shand b abt 1787 Cluny, Abd m Janet Esson - they had many children including Thomas Shand b 1831 Kinnethmont, Abd he married Jane Duncan -children - William and Margaret. George, Thomas and William were all Blacksmiths born and lived at Denmore Smithy, Ellon Road, Old Machar On Google search I found a house called North Smithy Cottage (on Ellon Rd), Denmore, Bridge of Don, Aberdeen. All these names appear on birth and marriage info. Would the North Smithy Cottage on Ellon Road be where this family lived and worked as Blacksmiths????? I was hoping someone might live near there and be able to confirm if this was the Denmore Smithy where the Shand family lived???? I also think some of the Shand family may be buried at the Old Machar Church Cemetery. - Maybe Thomas, his wife Jane also Thomas's father George. Has anyone access to these church records. Kind Regards Sue Barker

Sometimes the servers send posts later than the are written.  Sometimes there is more network traffic that is given a higher level of importance that will delay a post from coming through.  Sometimes the issue is at the sender's side and sometimes at the recipients side.  Also the times will be different for individual emails vs digests.  Laura >________________________________ > From: Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> >To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant > > >As I write it is now 19.29 on 10 March, 2014 which I can confirm is correct >according to Greenwich Mean Time.  I cant do anything from the point when my >posts leave my computer. >I am beginning to think the Ides of March have come early! > >Janet > > >

Hi Isabel, If you check Isabelle's marriage record to her second husband you will see William McPhee and Sally Neal listed as her parents. I found William's death record showing his parents, which will take you back another generation.   Cheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isabel Anderson" <isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:46:07 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE, COOK, CHALMERS Thank you Ray, Alexander, Les, Alison, Janet Cheri & Mary, I had to name you all as I appreciate the good advice and information you have given me. Now to answer your questions. I have not yet found a birth for Isabella McPHEE (FEE, FIE, PHIE) b c 1818 -1820 in Inverness, Father John Mc. I did find Isobel McPHIE 12.10.1818, Inverness F. William Mc, M. Sarah Neil (not Fraser as on the Isabella's DC). Makes sense with Cheri's comment now. William may have got the Mother and Grandmother's surnames mixed? I have her marriage cert from OPR Scotlandspeople. Henry COOK, Seaman in Aberdeen, was on the Seventh day of August 1845. Married at Aberdeen to Isabella McFEE, there daughter of John McFEE, Weaver in Inverness, by the Reverend James Newlands, Minister of St. Clements Parish, Aberdeen.  In the presence of these witnesses, James Urquhart and James Hudston, both Seamen in Aberdeen. Isabella McFEE & Henry COOK's children are, Mary Ann b 1848, Henry b 1850 Jemima b 1852 (mine) all christened in St. Nicholas, Aberdeen. In the 1851 Aberdeen Census they are all in Virginia Street minus Jemima. In 1861 Essex Census I found Henry jnr and Jemima COOK in Wivenhoe with Grandmother COOK. (Janet, we do not know where Mary Ann COOK went (she would have been 12 & no death found for her).  Maybe sent out to work? In 1861 & 1871 Aberdeen Census Isabella & William CHALMERS live at 53 Longacre, it seems with William's older children and baby Isabella CHALMERS 3 mths old.  (Isabella McPHEE died at the same address in 1873). It is the baby Isabella's birth in Dec 1860 that has Mother Isabella McPHEE or COOK, Father William CHALMERS. (Married in June 1860, St. Nicholas). William CHALMERS her 2nd husband was informant at Isabella McPHEE CHALMERS death. 1st husband Henry COOK snr possibly died at sea (being a seaman) and I would think before 1860? The Isabella COOK who died in Jan. 1860 (Mother Isabella COOK ms McPHEE) was aged 3 years and buried in Old Machar. No Father's name. (Possibly Henry COOK had died by then)?? Thank you, you have given me food for thought! Isabel, N.Z.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet, A small housekeeping matter if I may. Your posts alway appear in my email with a date 2 or 3 days before they actually arrive. Could you please just check the date you have set on your computer? That might be the problem. Thanks, Steve S C Broekmann 3rd Floor, The Piazza on Church Square 32 Parliament Street Cape Town 8001 C 083 701 5867 T 021 465 7474 F 021 461 4681 Home 021 685-7388 On 07/03/2014 01:32 AM, Janet wrote: [snip]

Les, I agree with this comment, it took me a long time to find my Scottish Grandmother's Sisters, my Grandmother and her 5 sisters were all known by different names in, e.g. the census , by relations & friends, than those by which they were Birth Registered. When she died, I was the informant for another Aunt, here in New Zealand, I fortunately knew her correct names as Matilda Ellen , known as Nell. However, as the Informant, the name I gave for her deceased husband, was the name we knew him by, and not the name I found on her marriage Cert., which I found when sorting through her belongings. Mary -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE COOK CHALMERS Hi all Added to Ray's comment. We are not always known by the name by which we were baptised. And it is possible that whoever reported the death gave the name by which the deceased was known. Regards Les __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9520 (20140309) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thankyou Brenda For everyones info I still gave thecwrong birth dates 1855 to 1857 is correct. I have the census info for 1841 to 1871 now, it all fits with the said William McLeggan Mckenzie, its just that I'm uncertain about him. I may of course be wrong. Thanks everyone for your help Sue Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Brenda McCartney <bmccartney@shaw.ca> Date: 09/03/2014 16:25 (GMT+00:00) To: suec14@ntlworld.com,aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ABERDEEN] Brick wall Hi Sue - There is a William McKenzie on 1861 census at 4 Shuttle Lane, St. Nicholas Aberdeen.  Parents are David & Jessie McKenzie Brenda -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of suec14@ntlworld.com Sent: March-08-14 7:24 AM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Brick wall Hi New to the list. I am looking for the birth of William McKenzie(my great grandfathrr)1855 to 1897, father David a laborer. The only one I can find (igi & ancestry) is a William Macleggan McKenzie born 1857 to David & Margt St Nicholas Aberdeen. I'm not convinced. Our family frequently used surnames as second names, he never used it, EVER, not even on his army enlistment papers, or marriage, or death for that matter. On his enlistment papers he states he was born St Nicholas. Family folklore says that an Ann may have been his mother but while there is a David & . Ann, no William. I thought Margaret might have been Macleggan but can't find her either. If anyone can help I would be very grateful. His enlistment papers say he was a farm servant. Regards SueC Sent from Samsung tablet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Isabel. It sounds as if you received some good ideas from other listers.   I thought it might be easier to "break the tie" by looking at Isabella's second marriage to see who she listed as her father on that record. In 1860, at her wedding to William Chalmers, Isabella listed her father as William McPhee, canvas weaver, and her mother as Sally Neil. In 1870, when William McPhee dies , his daughter Ann McIntosh names William as the widower of Sally Neil and the son of John McPhee and Belle? Robertson. There is an OPR for Ann listing her parents as William McFie and Sarah Neal.   >From the above records I would say that Isabella McPhee Cook Chalmers was the daughter of William McPhee and the granddaughter of John McPhee. Sally ( or Sarah) died on 16 February 1864 at the age of 75. Her parents were John Neal (soldier) and Ann Fraser. These records are all found on Scotlandspeople. Ancestry indicates that Sarah (Sally) was born in England---her father was a soldier so that's probably your explanation for that.   Best of luck!   Cheri Hyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isabel Anderson" <isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:24:35 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE COOK CHALMERS My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. Further to my last email. I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK maiden name McPHEE.  (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with Paternal Grandmother). The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two different Fathers named! Oh dear any advice is welcome.. Regards, Isabel, N.Z.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. Further to my last email. I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK maiden name McPHEE. (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with Paternal Grandmother). The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two different Fathers named! Oh dear any advice is welcome.. Regards, Isabel, N.Z.

On 9 March 2014 10:38, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: <snipped> > In Scotland, if a child is born to a woman who is no longer married to a > first > or subsequent husband, does the child take her maiden surname or her > married > name? > ============== Hi Janet We have a case of two boys born to Annie SMITH - unmarried, father Robert THOMSON. The first one called himself Robert Thomson for his whole life the second one was registered [in 1879] as William THOMSON but at the Census in 1881 he was William SMITH which he kept for the rest of *his* life. A third brother with a different father - still without marriage - was John SMITH all the time. It would appear that, providing the father acknowledges the birth, it is up to the mother and later to the child which surname he has. If the father denies paternity, the child may take the paternal surname as a means of reproaching his dad!! We know of a case in a Scottish village [not our tree] where this caused all sorts of gossip! Regards Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net

Hi all Added to Ray's comment. We are not always known by the name by which we were baptised. And it is possible that whoever reported the death gave the name by which the deceased was known. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Isabel, You say on her "marriage details" but you don't state what those "marriage details" are. Scottish OPR records very rarely state the name of the father of either party so it would be unusual to see an 1845 marriage OPR record stating the father. Have you therefore got some other "marriage details" source other than the OPR? As to the death record as Ray says the informant is extremely important as you then have to judge how likely it is that the informant actually knew who the dead persons father was. The key to your issue of finding out what the correct father's name is, is to evaluate how reliable the sources of information you have are. If the marriage is indeed from an OPR and it mentions the father then you can be sure that was Isabella herself being asked what's your fathers name and her giving the name. The death entry on the other hand could be someone who didn't know Isabella that well and made a guess at her fathers name. Regards,Alexander > From: isabel.anderson@xtra.co.nz > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 20:24:35 +1300 > Subject: [ABERDEEN] Isabella McPHEE COOK CHALMERS > > My apologies Stuart, it was you and John I should have thanked yesterday. > > Further to my last email. > > I have downloaded Isabella McPHEE, CHALMERS death certificate. > > It has her Father as William McPHEE, linen weaver, Mother: Sarah FRASER > > On Isabella McPHEE's marriage details to Henry COOK in 1845 in Aberdeen, it > states Isabella is the daughter of John McFEE, a Weaver in Inverness. > > I have a death of her child Isabella COOK Jan 1860, Mother, Isabella COOK > maiden name McPHEE. (The older COOK children were in England in 1861 with > Paternal Grandmother). > > The birth of Isabella CHALMERS Dec 1860, Mother, Isabella McPHEE or COOK. > > Now I am confused! I am sure I have the right Isabella McPHEE with two > different Fathers named! > > Oh dear any advice is welcome.. > Regards, > Isabel, > N.Z. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Alison No I'm not amazed, there are so many on Scotlands People. One of the major problems is the Macleggan bit, never mind Thanks for your input Regards Sue Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: B&A Smith <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> Date: 08/03/2014 20:02 (GMT+00:00) To: suec14@ntlworld.com,aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Brick wall Hi Sue,   If William was born in 1855 or later, you should be able to search for his birth Scottish civil registration records at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which is a pay-per-view site.  Since you can narrow the search down to Aberdeen/shire, that should help to eliminate most of those born elsewhere in Scotland - and you'd be amazed how many there were!  If his birth was earlier than 1855, then you're more likely to find a record in the Old Parish Registers of baptisms (on the same site), even if it's not in the IGI/Ancestry.   Census records are also available as images on ScotlandsPeople, so it would be well worth searching the records for 1861, when William was likely to be living with other family members.   Good luck!   Alison On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:23 PM, suec14@ntlworld.com <suec14@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hi New to the list. I am looking for the birth of William McKenzie(my great grandfathrr)1855 to 1897, father David a laborer. The only one I can find (igi & ancestry) is a William Macleggan McKenzie born 1857 to David & Margt St Nicholas Aberdeen. I'm not convinced. Our family frequently used surnames as second names, he never used it, EVER, not even on his army enlistment papers, or marriage, or death for that matter. On his enlistment papers he states he was born St Nicholas. Family folklore says that an Ann may have been his mother but while there is a David & . Ann, no William. I thought Margaret might have been Macleggan but can't find her either. If anyone can help I would be very grateful. His enlistment papers say he was a farm servant. Regards SueC Sent from Samsung tablet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ray Sorry I meant to say born 1855 to 1877, st Nicholas. Information about his father comes from his marriage certificate ( army papers) naas, Co Kildare. As do residences & children, they all tie in. BUT there is no mention of Macleggan. There are a lot on Scotlands people, a bit intimidating, not to say expensive. Probably worth trying. I don't understand the Macleggan bit, one reason is that the only possible marriage is of William Mckenzie to Margaret McKenzie, was she or was she someone else? Not sure of the accuracy of IGI. Anyway thankyou for your input Regards Sue Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> Date: 08/03/2014 20:34 (GMT+00:00) To: suec14@ntlworld.com,Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Brick wall Hi Sue When you say "birth of William McKenzie (my great grandfather) 1855-1897" are you saying he died in 1897 aged c.42? If he married in Scotland, the Scotland's People site             http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/  would have the registrations details including parents. If he died on active service [?Boer War, 1897?] the regimental records would have his details and I thought enlistment papers included next of kin and ???parents.  Is this how you found out his father?  If he died in Scotland [even after military service], his death should have been registered in Scotland.  You could find this on Scotland's People and registration would have included his parents assuming the informant knew who they were! If he was born in 1855-ish he should be on the 1861 census at home which would presumably show his parents.  This is also available on Scotland's People as are the censuses for 1871,1881 and 1891.  Have you looked for David & Ann McKenzie in the 181 census?  This would show their children at home.  however, we know of several cases where a young child was with the grandmother on Census night [including my wife's eldest aunt] so you need to be a dedicated detective to find the grandparents and check them out if he isn't with his supposed parents.   Admittedly it can be a bit expensive buying lots of credits on ScP but the IGI might give you useful indicators before you go to ScP. *One Tip* When you do a search on ScP make sure you broaden your search to get as many examples as is sensible.  The search hits are supplied 25 to a page which costs one credit.  So it makes sense to widen the search [e.g. by adding parishes (up to 5) and/or extra years] to get 25 hits or just under that [or a multiple of 25].  In the long run these extra hits can prove very valuable. Hope this helps.  If you haven't used Scotland's People, just ask and I or someone will help. Good hunting Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 8 March 2014 15:23, suec14@ntlworld.com <suec14@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hi New to the list. I am looking for the birth of William McKenzie(my great grandfathrr)1855 to 1897, father David a laborer. The only one I can find (igi & ancestry) is a William Macleggan McKenzie born 1857 to David & Margt St Nicholas Aberdeen. I'm not convinced. Our family frequently used surnames as second names, he never used it, EVER, not even on his army enlistment papers, or marriage, or death for that matter. On his enlistment papers he states he was born St Nicholas. Family folklore says that an Ann may have been his mother but while there is a David & . Ann, no William. I thought Margaret might have been Macleggan but can't find her either. If anyone can help I would be very grateful. His enlistment papers say he was a farm servant. Regards SueC Sent from Samsung tablet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message