Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following family for me. James STEWART married Jane “Jean” SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean’s marriage record gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or for James’s parents. Were there any other children from this marriage ?? Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to search next. All the best Wendy

Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following family for me. James STEWART married Jane “Jean” SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean’s marriage record gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or for James’s parents. Were there any other children from this marriage ?? Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to search next. All the best Wendy

William In answer to your question, the information on the Innes family of James Innes and Barbara Stewart who farmed at Muire Glenlivet was obtained from the memorial inscription on stone no 73 at Kirkmichael. The dates of birth where given are estimates from the date of death on the stone and the age at death. Apart from William who died 19 October 1852 in North America, the rest of the family died very young. John died 12 June 1825 age 1 year 6 months,Alexander died 10 May 1829 age 21, Elspet died 1 Dec 1829 age 13, Helen died 4 Dec 1829 age 15, Elizabeth died 5 April 1839 age 23, Thomas died 30 April 1839 age 21. There is something very sad about these clusters of death dates in one family and is worthy of being followed up. There may have been genetic disposition to a particular disease! The father James Innes himself died on 29 April 1839, the family suffering three bereavements in the same month. regards George George Brander Torre de la Horadada España On 25 March 2014 17:39, Alexander Bisset <ambisset@btinternet.com> wrote: > Ray is quite right also you should be aware that the old IGI has been > replaced by newer refreshed databases with more information and really is > best not referred to any more. > These days you are better referring to Scotland, Births and Baptisms, > 1564-1950 and Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 on the familysearch.orgsite and also by viewing the scans of the originals at > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > Regards,Alexander Bisset > > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:57:20 +0000 > > From: ray@whatsinaname.net > > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James Innes and Barbara Moir > > > > William > > > > I suggest you have a look at the actual OPR entries by getting the images > > from Scotland's People. The usual date recorded is the date of baptism > > whereas the MI may well have the actual birth dates which can be quite > > different. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Ray > > > > Ray Hennessy > > www.whatsinaname.net > > > > > > On 24 March 2014 23:06, william innes <w_innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > > > > > QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? > > > > > > REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been > > > posted on their site. > > > > > > I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am > looking > > > for; > > > > > > The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. > > > > > > I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with > > > the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond > with > > > their actual dates. > > > > > > Here are the actual dates. > > > > > > 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 > > > > > > 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 > > > > > > 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 > > > > > > 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 > > > > > > 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 > > > > > > 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown > > > > > > 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown > > > > > > There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. > > > > > > The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 3/25/2014 11:57 AM, Ray Hennessy wrote: > William > > I suggest you have a look at the actual OPR entries by getting the images > from Scotland's People. The usual date recorded is the date of baptism > whereas the MI may well have the actual birth dates which can be quite > different. > > Best wishes > > Ray > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > I'll try and be more precise this time , so here goes: > > > > > > According to the IGI ( Family Search ) James Innes and either Barbara > Moir or Stewart had the following children: > > > > 1)Thomas Innes was christened 19 march 1813 > > > > 2)Helen Innes was christened 12 December 1815 > > > > 3)Elizabeth Innes was christened 19 June 1810 > > > > 4)Elspet Innes was christened 5 May 1818 > > > > 5)Janet Innes was born 2 July 1821 and christened on the 8 July. > > > > 6)James Innes was born on the 16 May 1823 and christened 19 May 1823. > > > > 7)Alexr Innes was christened 2 Oct.1808 > > > > All of the above births were in the,then, parish of Inveravon. > > > > > > Of the above the only one not buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetery Km73 > was Janet. It would appear that perhaps Janet did not die due to the > unfortunate disease that happened to her family. > > > > Can you help me try and locate her? > > > > > > Libindx NM081932 shows that a John Inneswas born around 1824 and died > 12 June 1825. I could not find his birth extract from Scotlands > People. Can you help me find it. > > > > Regarding William Inneswho moved to North America and paid for the > Tombstone I was unable to find any record of his birth. I remember > contacting the people who made these lists and they were only able to > tell me that he died in North America. > > > > William > > > > > > On 24 March 2014 23:06, william innes <w_innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > >> QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? >> >> REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been >> posted on their site. >> >> I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking >> for; >> >> The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. >> >> I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with >> the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with >> their actual dates. >> >> Here are the actual dates. >> >> 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 >> >> 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 >> >> 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 >> >> 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 >> >> 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 >> >> 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown >> >> 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown >> >> There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. >> >> The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. >> >> William >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ray is quite right also you should be aware that the old IGI has been replaced by newer refreshed databases with more information and really is best not referred to any more. These days you are better referring to Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 and Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 on the familysearch.org site and also by viewing the scans of the originals at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Regards,Alexander Bisset > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:57:20 +0000 > From: ray@whatsinaname.net > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James Innes and Barbara Moir > > William > > I suggest you have a look at the actual OPR entries by getting the images > from Scotland's People. The usual date recorded is the date of baptism > whereas the MI may well have the actual birth dates which can be quite > different. > > Best wishes > > Ray > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 24 March 2014 23:06, william innes <w_innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > > > QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? > > > > REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been > > posted on their site. > > > > I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking > > for; > > > > The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. > > > > I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with > > the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with > > their actual dates. > > > > Here are the actual dates. > > > > 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 > > > > 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 > > > > 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 > > > > 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 > > > > 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 > > > > 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown > > > > 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown > > > > There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. > > > > The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. > > > > William > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Km73 is a reference to a gravestone. The data from the majority of Moray gravestones was collated during the 1980s and birth dates were calculated on the basis of an individual's age at death, as recorded on the stone. Gravestone inscriptions do not necessarily indicate that all the named individuals were buried in the same plot. Some family members might well be buried elsewhere, especially if they moved away from the area, but whether they are named on a family stone will all depend on who was still living in the area and who paid for the inscription. If you discover an error in a LIBINDX record, it's possible to request a correction, if you use the 'email enquiries' link. I did exactly that last week, sending a copy of the inscription in question, and the record has already been corrected. Alison On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:06 PM, william innes <w_innes@videotron.ca>wrote: > QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? > > REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been > posted on their site. > > I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking > for; > > The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. > > I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with > the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with > their actual dates. > > Here are the actual dates. > > 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 > > 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 > > 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 > > 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 > > 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 > > 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown > > 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown > > There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. > > The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. > > William > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

William I suggest you have a look at the actual OPR entries by getting the images from Scotland's People. The usual date recorded is the date of baptism whereas the MI may well have the actual birth dates which can be quite different. Best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 24 March 2014 23:06, william innes <w_innes@videotron.ca> wrote: > QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? > > REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been > posted on their site. > > I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking > for; > > The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. > > I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with > the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with > their actual dates. > > Here are the actual dates. > > 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 > > 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 > > 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 > > 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 > > 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 > > 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown > > 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown > > There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. > > The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. > > William > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been posted on their site. I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking for; The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with their actual dates. Here are the actual dates. 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. William

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That is terrific Pat!. I rather thought that the Stewart and Keith names were naming patterns rather than a male forename. Do let us know what the actual outcome is, would you? I often think it would be nice to hear from those who have brought their genealogy puzzles to us and we never know how things work out. It might just help someone else. ;-) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] William Grant Janet.. I think I have found the correct John Grant as the father of my Willliam Just have to send for more info. Charles Stewart Grant was at one time on Upper Auchmill Road House #52 on the 1861 census. John Grant was at #55 Auchmull, Newhills on the 1841 census With him were William, Alexander, Marjory Grant.In 1861 William was at Abernethy with John, Head, Margaret DIL, Margaret Grand D and Charles, grand son. My husbands name Alan Keith Grant was after the Allans and Keiths in his family. The Stewart in Charles name was from Jannet Stewart in Rothiemay 1783 to 19 Nov 1834 who married Alexander Allan late 1700's On Mar 12, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Pat. As I said earlier in reply, when you first posted this matter, it was > clear to me at the time that you have a lot of information; you have enlarged > upon it further here and in detail about Charles Stewart GRANT. But, as you > have said yourself, it is William Grant for whom you are seeking our support > to > extend your ancestral records to an earlier point in time. I wholeheartedly > agree it is often something that someone says when we have looked at a problem > that might lead us to the solution. > I did have a look at it in Ancestry earlier today as I think you have, and I > understand the problems of identifying a parent for William Grant to help you, > to reduce expense in Scotlands People > I wondered if you have looked for a marriage of William Grant and Isabella > Rae?. > As you say there's no mention of Isabella in his monument inscription, perhaps > he never married the females at all. It wouldnt be unusual. > As an aside, have we any one here with a GRANT and STEWART family connection, > in > view of Charles's middle forename? He could have been named that way with > patronymic purpose. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> > > > JanetI mostly have copies of records and not certificates, mainly due to costs > overseas. When in Aberdeenshire and Banffshire we hand wrote what we could > see. > Even the record of vaccinations needed for school. I can give you the > following. > Charles married Mary, Deer Island Maine records, on 4 Mar 1895, William and > Charles are on the 1900 census for Stonington, Hancok, Maine and charles is a > student and William an engineer. Charles 1861 census age 3 in Newhills with > William and Margaret Miinto Reg #226 Dist. Newhills, Ed7 House #51 Line 16, > Upper Auchmull. 1871 census Kemnay, Springbank cottage 1891 census . > Charles and Jessie GrayKemnay, Main Road, Koslyn Cottage, Granite settmaker. > 1901 census Charles and Mary were at 44 Elmfield Ave. Charles S. Grant 45 > left > Liverpool, residence Bucksburn, June 18,1903 arrived 26 June 1903 Stonington > Maine Micro film 62. > .Granite Sett Maker > 1851 William Grant farmservant and Margaret MInto, niece were at 59 Auchmull > Road 1871 William and Margaret Kemnay Springbank Cottage House 52 > > William Grant Married Isabella (Elizabeth) Keith nee Rae when 68 Family > record. > BUT the only William Grant and Isabella Keith I have found are in England with > children in the mid 1800’s > > I do have the original copy of the Birth of Alan Keith Grant son of Charles > and > Mary Rankin Young, Dec 8,1901 , 11 Hours, 0 Min. at 3 Emmerslie or Emmslie > Road , Newhills Parish, registered Dec 26 register Wm.Cormack. > I have pictures of the tombstones of William and Charles and the names of all > the children > > I found a census of William Grant born about 1831 and an Isabella Keith in > England in the mid1850’s .With children. Can find no marriage of William Grant > and Isobell or Elizabeth of the approbate ages in Scotland.Can find no death > of > Isobell and she is not mentioned on Williams tombstone. > > Pat, in MIchigan > > On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. >> You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with >> Mary >> Ranking YOUNG. >> Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 >> and >> marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and >> Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? >> It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations >> of >> stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or >> training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. >> > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Janet.. I think I have found the correct John Grant as the father of my Willliam Just have to send for more info. Charles Stewart Grant was at one time on Upper Auchmill Road House #52 on the 1861 census. John Grant was at #55 Auchmull, Newhills on the 1841 census With him were William, Alexander, Marjory Grant.In 1861 William was at Abernethy with John,Head, Margaret DIL, Margaret Grand D and Charles, grand son. My husbands name Alan Keith Grant was after the Allans and Keiths in his family. The Stewart in Charles name was from Jannet Stewart in Rothiemay 1783 to 19 Nov 1834 who married Alexander Allan late 1700's On Mar 12, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Pat. As I said earlier in reply, when you first posted this matter, it was > clear to me at the time that you have a lot of information; you have enlarged > upon it further here and in detail about Charles Stewart GRANT. But, as you > have said yourself, it is William Grant for whom you are seeking our support to > extend your ancestral records to an earlier point in time. I wholeheartedly > agree it is often something that someone says when we have looked at a problem > that might lead us to the solution. > I did have a look at it in Ancestry earlier today as I think you have, and I > understand the problems of identifying a parent for William Grant to help you, > to reduce expense in Scotlands People > I wondered if you have looked for a marriage of William Grant and Isabella Rae?. > As you say there's no mention of Isabella in his monument inscription, perhaps > he never married the females at all. It wouldnt be unusual. > As an aside, have we any one here with a GRANT and STEWART family connection, in > view of Charles's middle forename? He could have been named that way with > patronymic purpose. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> > > > JanetI mostly have copies of records and not certificates, mainly due to costs > overseas. When in Aberdeenshire and Banffshire we hand wrote what we could see. > Even the record of vaccinations needed for school. I can give you the following. > Charles married Mary, Deer Island Maine records, on 4 Mar 1895, William and > Charles are on the 1900 census for Stonington, Hancok, Maine and charles is a > student and William an engineer. Charles 1861 census age 3 in Newhills with > William and Margaret Miinto Reg #226 Dist. Newhills, Ed7 House #51 Line 16, > Upper Auchmull. 1871 census Kemnay, Springbank cottage 1891 census . > Charles and Jessie GrayKemnay, Main Road, Koslyn Cottage, Granite settmaker. > 1901 census Charles and Mary were at 44 Elmfield Ave. Charles S. Grant 45 left > Liverpool, residence Bucksburn, June 18,1903 arrived 26 June 1903 Stonington > Maine Micro film 62. > .Granite Sett Maker > 1851 William Grant farmservant and Margaret MInto, niece were at 59 Auchmull > Road 1871 William and Margaret Kemnay Springbank Cottage House 52 > > William Grant Married Isabella (Elizabeth) Keith nee Rae when 68 Family record. > BUT the only William Grant and Isabella Keith I have found are in England with > children in the mid 1800’s > > I do have the original copy of the Birth of Alan Keith Grant son of Charles and > Mary Rankin Young, Dec 8,1901 , 11 Hours, 0 Min. at 3 Emmerslie or Emmslie > Road , Newhills Parish, registered Dec 26 register Wm.Cormack. > I have pictures of the tombstones of William and Charles and the names of all > the children > > I found a census of William Grant born about 1831 and an Isabella Keith in > England in the mid1850’s .With children. Can find no marriage of William Grant > and Isobell or Elizabeth of the approbate ages in Scotland.Can find no death of > Isobell and she is not mentioned on Williams tombstone. > > Pat, in MIchigan > > On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. >> You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with Mary >> Ranking YOUNG. >> Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 and >> marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and >> Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? >> It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations >> of >> stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or >> training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. >> > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat. As I said earlier in reply, when you first posted this matter, it was clear to me at the time that you have a lot of information; you have enlarged upon it further here and in detail about Charles Stewart GRANT. But, as you have said yourself, it is William Grant for whom you are seeking our support to extend your ancestral records to an earlier point in time. I wholeheartedly agree it is often something that someone says when we have looked at a problem that might lead us to the solution. I did have a look at it in Ancestry earlier today as I think you have, and I understand the problems of identifying a parent for William Grant to help you, to reduce expense in Scotlands People I wondered if you have looked for a marriage of William Grant and Isabella Rae?. As you say there's no mention of Isabella in his monument inscription, perhaps he never married the females at all. It wouldnt be unusual. As an aside, have we any one here with a GRANT and STEWART family connection, in view of Charles's middle forename? He could have been named that way with patronymic purpose. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> JanetI mostly have copies of records and not certificates, mainly due to costs overseas. When in Aberdeenshire and Banffshire we hand wrote what we could see. Even the record of vaccinations needed for school. I can give you the following. Charles married Mary, Deer Island Maine records, on 4 Mar 1895, William and Charles are on the 1900 census for Stonington, Hancok, Maine and charles is a student and William an engineer. Charles 1861 census age 3 in Newhills with William and Margaret Miinto Reg #226 Dist. Newhills, Ed7 House #51 Line 16, Upper Auchmull. 1871 census Kemnay, Springbank cottage 1891 census . Charles and Jessie GrayKemnay, Main Road, Koslyn Cottage, Granite settmaker. 1901 census Charles and Mary were at 44 Elmfield Ave. Charles S. Grant 45 left Liverpool, residence Bucksburn, June 18,1903 arrived 26 June 1903 Stonington Maine Micro film 62. .Granite Sett Maker 1851 William Grant farmservant and Margaret MInto, niece were at 59 Auchmull Road 1871 William and Margaret Kemnay Springbank Cottage House 52 William Grant Married Isabella (Elizabeth) Keith nee Rae when 68 Family record. BUT the only William Grant and Isabella Keith I have found are in England with children in the mid 1800’s I do have the original copy of the Birth of Alan Keith Grant son of Charles and Mary Rankin Young, Dec 8,1901 , 11 Hours, 0 Min. at 3 Emmerslie or Emmslie Road , Newhills Parish, registered Dec 26 register Wm.Cormack. I have pictures of the tombstones of William and Charles and the names of all the children I found a census of William Grant born about 1831 and an Isabella Keith in England in the mid1850’s .With children. Can find no marriage of William Grant and Isobell or Elizabeth of the approbate ages in Scotland.Can find no death of Isobell and she is not mentioned on Williams tombstone. Pat, in MIchigan On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. > You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with Mary > Ranking YOUNG. > Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 and > marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and > Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? > It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations > of > stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or > training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Fred said >I have an ancestor in Lancaster (city) that was accused of incest for doing this and was ostracized in the local newspaper. Remember you're dealing with two differing churches. Anglican in England and Presbyterian in Scotland. The Church of England had/has a (precise) 'Table of Affinity' which lists "Whom a Man or Woman May Not Marry" and some of these are not regarded as 'Sins' in the Church of Scotland. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Ray, Thanks, an interesting story I have saved with the McPHEE file. Either is a possibility... Regards, Isabel, N.Z.

JanetI mostly have copies of records and not certificates, mainly due to costs overseas. When in Aberdeenshire and Banffshire we hand wrote what we could see. Even the record of vaccinations needed for school. I can give you the following. Charles married Mary, Deer Island Maine records, on 4 Mar 1895, William and Charles are on the 1900 census for Stonington, Hancok, Maine and charles is a student and William an engineer. Charles 1861 census age 3 in Newhills with William and Margaret Miinto Reg #226 Dist. Newhills, Ed7 House #51 Line 16, Upper Auchmull. 1871 census Kemnay, Springbank cottage 1891 census . Charles and Jessie GrayKemnay, Main Road, Koslyn Cottage, Granite settmaker. 1901 census Charles and Mary were at 44 Elmfield Ave. Charles S. Grant 45 left Liverpool, residence Bucksburn, June 18,1903 arrived 26 June 1903 Stonington Maine Micro film 62. .Granite Sett Maker 1851 William Grant farmservant and Margaret MInto, niece were at 59 Auchmull Road 1871 William and Margaret Kemnay Springbank Cottage House 52 William Grant Married Isabella (Elizabeth) Keith nee Rae when 68 Family record. BUT the only William Grant and Isabella Keith I have found are in England with children in the mid 1800’s I do have the original copy of the Birth of Alan Keith Grant son of Charles and Mary Rankin Young, Dec 8,1901 , 11 Hours, 0 Min. at 3 Emmerslie or Emmslie Road , Newhills Parish, registered Dec 26 register Wm.Cormack. I have pictures of the tombstones of William and Charles and the names of all the children I found a census of William Grant born about 1831 and an Isabella Keith in England in the mid1850’s .With children. Can find no marriage of William Grant and Isobell or Elizabeth of the approbate ages in Scotland.Can find no death of Isobell and she is not mentioned on Williams tombstone. Pat, in MIchigan On Mar 12, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. > You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with Mary > Ranking YOUNG. > Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 and > marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and > Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? > It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations of > stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or > training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> > To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant > > > My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is > listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or > Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he > is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and > Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. > In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at > Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. > His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. > In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. > He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, > Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of > information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no > proof for this > > One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s > grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 > wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young > from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona > William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine > tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had > 12 children in all. > > Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and > also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the > time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina > Scott in Holyoke, MA. > > They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to > Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn > but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. > > William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I > am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" > Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mina, Can you tell us what documents you have purchased. You appear to have the marriage certificate of Charles Stewart GRANT with Mary Ranking YOUNG. Have you purchased the birth certificate for Charles Stewart GRANT in 1858 and marriage certificates for William GRANT with Margaret, Isabella KEITH and Elizabeth RAE to eliminate where necessary? It may be worth bearing in mind that a farm labourer pursuing the occupations of stonemason and slater would require several years of an apprenticeship or training but at the end of the rewards are high I have found.. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mina Patricia Grant" <minapgrant@icloud.com> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] William Grant My husband’s great grandfather William was born 1831but on various censi he is listed as being born in Abernethy or Abernethie in either Morayshire, Keith or Inverness or Perth . He died 22 Nov 1903 of Pleurisy and Pneumonia. IN 1851 he is a farm servant married to Margaret MIntie. She the daughter of John Minto and Isobel Massie in Marycukter, Kincardine. In the 1871 census he is married to Margaret MInto, 1826-1885 living at Springbank Cottage in Kemnay, Aberdeenshire. His second wife was Isabella Keith or Elizabeth nee Rae. In 1901 he as a boarder living 79 Auchmill Rd. in Newhills. He was a stonemason and lived at various times in Craighearn, Monymusk, Newhills, Aberdeenshire, Vinalhaven Island ,Maine and Russia.. One bit of information says his parents were Margorie and John Grant but I can find no proof for this One of his sons was Charles Stewart Grant 1858-1906 born in Newhills, my husband’s grandfather, and on the 1861 census. In 1871 he is in Kemnay. He also had 2 wives Jessie Gray from Dycre. She died in Maine and he married Mary Rankin Young from Kilsyth 4 March 1895 in Maine. On the 1900 US census he and his sona William and Charles Jr. are in Stonington, Hancock, Maine. He died of a braine tumor at Gilbert Crescent, Bucksburn 6 Jan 1906 leaving his second wife. He had 12 children in all. Charles had Alan Keith Grant, by his second wife, who grew up in Bankhead and also was an apprentice at Farquhar Motors in Bucksburn, but came part of the time to Maine, Mass, and Maryland and Michigan. Alan Sr. married Williamina Scott in Holyoke, MA. They had my husband Alan Keith Grant in Baltimore, Maryland but returned to Abeerdeen when he was 11 months old. He attended the Primary School in Bucksburn but the family came back ti the US when my husband was 6. William is my biggest, highest brick wall and I would love any help offered. I am expecting the results of my son’s DNA 67 anyday and shall post it on my" Ancestry Tree Updated ‘"as soon ad I can. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Ray, I have an ancestor in Lancaster (city) that was accused of incest for doing this and was ostracized in the local newspaper. At 02:00 AM 3/12/2014, you wrote: >From: Ray Hennessy <ray7033@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant >To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > >In the outer isles it was the practice in some communities that, if >the mother died, the father would marry her eldest eligible sister >on the same days as the funeral. And vice >versa if the husband died. ____________________________________________________________ The #1 worst carb EVER (avoid) This health food causes fat gain, wild energy & blood sugar swings http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/53204724cab9c4723565dst04vuc

It is my view that when looking at a genealogy conundrum we must look at the facts as they stand and judge each case on its own merits. We should be prepared for anything and examine every aspect about it. We also need to take a step back in time if that's possible, look at each case individually because we might overlook a possibility no matter how many brick walls we may have toppled. As you say, a man can just as easily lose more than one wife to puerperal fever if he loses one at all; he will take another and she may be as much as 20 years his junior and have a name the same as his first or subsequent wives. By way of observation, I haven't found women in rural areas losing their life to puerperal fever as often as those women giving birth in densely populated areas. Leave it to nature and all is well perhaps. Where there is a gap of more than 2 years we may find there was another child which may not have survived. Ten years between a census and a child of the family could be found with an Uncle or Aunt, or even elsewhere with an occupation. Where we find a husband in census records with an occupation in a totally different direction than it was before, it is worth looking at the possibility we have found two men with the same name who each have wives named the same. Janet 23.33pm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray7033@gmail.com> To: "Aberdeen List" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant There was a comment earlier about a man being married four times with a suggestion elsewhere that there may have been two men with the same name. Four wives was not totally unusual in those days. Health was not universally good and postpartum deaths were common and un-treatable. And of course the widower would have to marry quickly to have a housekeeper and to look after the existing children. In the outer isles it was the practice in some communities that, if the mother died, the father would marry her eldest eligible sister on the same days as the funeral. And vice versa if the husband died. We do have one case [would you believe?] which involved Alexander SHIRRAN who I have often mentioned before. Around 1810-1817 he had two daughters with one woman, ?Ann DUNCAN [1] - marriage & births not recorded. In 1820 he married Isabella ROSS [2] and they had one daughter - Ann - who was damaged in some way. I suspect it might have been a birth trauma. In 1835 he married Ann CADGER [3] and had two more daughters, plus Ann from the previous marriage. We think Ann CADGER died in April 1848 in ARI but can't prove it to be the same person. Later that same year he married Elspet CLARK [4] and had two more daughters plus, at last, a son. Perversely he called him George despite a sequence of Alexanders in the family! By this time the daughter Ann SHIRRAN was being looked after by the daughters of ?Ann DUNCAN who were married with families of their own. Ann SHIRRAN died at the age of 69 in 1889, well cared for by all her step-mothers and step-sisters and after a long life. So Alexander had three wives and a probable earlier one. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

It is my view that ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray7033@gmail.com> To: "Aberdeen List" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Fw: William Grant There was a comment earlier about a man being married four times with a suggestion elsewhere that there may have been two men with the same name. Four wives was not totally unusual in those days. Health was not universally good and postpartum deaths were common and un-treatable. And of course the widower would have to marry quickly to have a housekeeper and to look after the existing children. In the outer isles it was the practice in some communities that, if the mother died, the father would marry her eldest eligible sister on the same days as the funeral. And vice versa if the husband died. We do have one case [would you believe?] which involved Alexander SHIRRAN who I have often mentioned before. Around 1810-1817 he had two daughters with one woman, ?Ann DUNCAN [1] - marriage & births not recorded. In 1820 he married Isabella ROSS [2] and they had one daughter - Ann - who was damaged in some way. I suspect it might have been a birth trauma. In 1835 he married Ann CADGER [3] and had two more daughters, plus Ann from the previous marriage. We think Ann CADGER died in April 1848 in ARI but can't prove it to be the same person. Later that same year he married Elspet CLARK [4] and had two more daughters plus, at last, a son. Perversely he called him George despite a sequence of Alexanders in the family! By this time the daughter Ann SHIRRAN was being looked after by the daughters of ?Ann DUNCAN who were married with families of their own. Ann SHIRRAN died at the age of 69 in 1889, well cared for by all her step-mothers and step-sisters and after a long life. So Alexander had three wives and a probable earlier one. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

There was a comment earlier about a man being married four times with a suggestion elsewhere that there may have been two men with the same name. Four wives was not totally unusual in those days. Health was not universally good and postpartum deaths were common and un-treatable. And of course the widower would have to marry quickly to have a housekeeper and to look after the existing children. In the outer isles it was the practice in some communities that, if the mother died, the father would marry her eldest eligible sister on the same days as the funeral. And vice versa if the husband died. We do have one case [would you believe?] which involved Alexander SHIRRAN who I have often mentioned before. Around 1810-1817 he had two daughters with one woman, ?Ann DUNCAN [1] - marriage & births not recorded. In 1820 he married Isabella ROSS [2] and they had one daughter - Ann - who was damaged in some way. I suspect it might have been a birth trauma. In 1835 he married Ann CADGER [3] and had two more daughters, plus Ann from the previous marriage. We think Ann CADGER died in April 1848 in ARI but can't prove it to be the same person. Later that same year he married Elspet CLARK [4] and had two more daughters plus, at last, a son. Perversely he called him George despite a sequence of Alexanders in the family! By this time the daughter Ann SHIRRAN was being looked after by the daughters of ?Ann DUNCAN who were married with families of their own. Ann SHIRRAN died at the age of 69 in 1889, well cared for by all her step-mothers and step-sisters and after a long life. So Alexander had three wives and a probable earlier one. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net