Thanks again Ray. Yes I have come across some strange entries myself where the informant did not really know the family and in one case it was totally wrong. Wife deceased grand uncle of mine was given as Bell Laidlaw when it should have been Christina Cameron. You could not get further from the correct name if you tried :) Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:51 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Wendy, me again Two points: 1. If Jean/Jane died before 1855 you most probably won't find a death record for her as there was no responsibility for recording it before that date. There may be a record in the parish accounts [hire of mortcloth, for example] but very few burials were recorded in the OPRs. 2. You are right to question the name of "mother" given by the grandson when Helen died. He is very unlikely to have known her but the registrar often insisted on a name however unlikely it was to be correct. We have a case that shows this fallacy very clearly. Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 27 March 2014 12:58, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks Alex look forward to hearing from you as I do not seem to be able > to > find a death record for a Jane or Jean STEWART nee SIM which I had hoped > would be easy to find as Jean definitely married James STEWART in 1801 in > Aberdeen and had a daughter Helen in 1805 in Aberdeen. > Jean's father was John SIM (from her marriage entry) James STEWARTS > parents > were James STEWART and Teresa BUYERS or BYERS. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: alex.r.s.forbes@btopenworld.com > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:31 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > > > > ________________________________ > Hi Wendy > > Just looking through E-mails after a few days away. > I have SIMs from Birse, all the names you mention are familiar. > I will get back to you after checking my own info. > > As regards tuoncr > > My first thought was toun councillor > > Alex > > > From: Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> > To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the > St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. > > What would a tuoncr. be ???? > > Glad of any suggestions > Thanks Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendy, me again Two points: 1. If Jean/Jane died before 1855 you most probably won't find a death record for her as there was no responsibility for recording it before that date. There may be a record in the parish accounts [hire of mortcloth, for example] but very few burials were recorded in the OPRs. 2. You are right to question the name of "mother" given by the grandson when Helen died. He is very unlikely to have known her but the registrar often insisted on a name however unlikely it was to be correct. We have a case that shows this fallacy very clearly. Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 27 March 2014 12:58, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks Alex look forward to hearing from you as I do not seem to be able to > find a death record for a Jane or Jean STEWART nee SIM which I had hoped > would be easy to find as Jean definitely married James STEWART in 1801 in > Aberdeen and had a daughter Helen in 1805 in Aberdeen. > Jean's father was John SIM (from her marriage entry) James STEWARTS parents > were James STEWART and Teresa BUYERS or BYERS. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: alex.r.s.forbes@btopenworld.com > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:31 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > > > > ________________________________ > Hi Wendy > > Just looking through E-mails after a few days away. > I have SIMs from Birse, all the names you mention are familiar. > I will get back to you after checking my own info. > > As regards tuoncr > > My first thought was toun councillor > > Alex > > > From: Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> > To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. > > What would a tuoncr. be ???? > > Glad of any suggestions > Thanks Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Alex look forward to hearing from you as I do not seem to be able to find a death record for a Jane or Jean STEWART nee SIM which I had hoped would be easy to find as Jean definitely married James STEWART in 1801 in Aberdeen and had a daughter Helen in 1805 in Aberdeen. Jean's father was John SIM (from her marriage entry) James STEWARTS parents were James STEWART and Teresa BUYERS or BYERS. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: alex.r.s.forbes@btopenworld.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:31 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen ________________________________ Hi Wendy Just looking through E-mails after a few days away. I have SIMs from Birse, all the names you mention are familiar. I will get back to you after checking my own info. As regards tuoncr My first thought was toun councillor Alex From: Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St Nicholas burial records. 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. What would a tuoncr. be ???? Glad of any suggestions Thanks Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all for the suggestions and for not picking me up on my spelling as it should have bee "Touncr" and not Tuoncr as I had posted. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: alex.r.s.forbes@btopenworld.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:31 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen ________________________________ Hi Wendy Just looking through E-mails after a few days away. I have SIMs from Birse, all the names you mention are familiar. I will get back to you after checking my own info. As regards tuoncr My first thought was toun councillor Alex From: Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St Nicholas burial records. 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. What would a tuoncr. be ???? Glad of any suggestions Thanks Wendy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ Hi Wendy Just looking through E-mails after a few days away. I have SIMs from Birse, all the names you mention are familiar. I will get back to you after checking my own info. As regards tuoncr My first thought was toun councillor Alex From: Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> To: Aberdeen List <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St Nicholas burial records. 13/02/1787    Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. What would a tuoncr. be ???? Glad of any suggestions Thanks Wendy

I notice that Janet has a similar response to the reason why families had several children die in a short space of time. Some years ago, I read a Parish record Film , ( I think not Aberdeenshire ), where the Church Recorder had mentioned a wide spread measles outbreak in the area. One of the branches of my Aberdeenshire family contracted T.B. resulting in the death of 5 children up to age 20 yrs. Considering the crowded living conditions, that many lived in, in those times, it is surprising that so many large families actually survived. Mary -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of william innes Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 12:07 p.m. To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] James Innes and Barbara Moir QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been posted on their site. I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking for; The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with the Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with their actual dates. Here are the actual dates. 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. William ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9592 (20140325) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9599 (20140326) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

These comments were based on the 1892 Medical Officer of Health Report for Banffshire: *By comparison with the rest of Scotland, the state of health in Banffshire was judged to be slightly better than average. Preventable diseases, however, represented a considerable proportion of deaths, with respiratory illness being responsible for 23% of those recorded for 1891. The primary cause was considered to be damp housing conditions, combined with inadequate ventilation and overcrowding. Lack of clean water and non-existent sewage arrangements were also recognised as having an adverse effect on public health generally.* This was one of the projects carried out while following a course on local government archives. Alison On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Mary Legarth <legarthm@levin.pl.net>wrote: > I notice that Janet has a similar response to the reason why families had > several children die in a short space of time. > Some years ago, I read a Parish record Film , ( I think not Aberdeenshire > ), > where the Church Recorder had mentioned a wide spread measles outbreak in > the area. > One of the branches of my Aberdeenshire family contracted T.B. resulting > in > the death of 5 children up to age 20 yrs. > Considering the crowded living conditions, that many lived in, in those > times, it is surprising that so many large families actually survived. > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of william innes > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 12:07 p.m. > To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ABERDEEN] James Innes and Barbara Moir > > QUESTION: Where does LIBINDX get it's information? > > REASON: I have reason to believe that incorrect information has been posted > on their site. > > I am trying to fill-in some of my branches and here is what I am looking > for; > > The family of James Innes and Barbara Moir or Stewart. > > I do know that this family is buried in the Kirkmichael Cemetary with the > Libindx No: Km73. The dates of their births does not correspond with their > actual dates. > > Here are the actual dates. > > 1)Alexander Innes 2 Oct.1808 > > 2)Elizabeth Innes 10 June 1810 > > 3)Thomas Innes 19 March 1813 > > 4)Helen Innes 12 December 1815 > > 5)Elspet Innes 5 May 1818 > > 6)Janet Innes 2 July 1821 not shown > > 7)James Innes 16 May 1823 not shown > > There, apparently, was a William Innes but was unable to find him. > > The dates of birth, above, were from the IGI. > > William > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 9592 (20140325) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 9599 (20140326) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Clusters of deaths were usually the result of contagious diseases/infections or poor sanitation. Unfortunately, in the days before civil registration it was rare for any cause of death to be recorded. Very occasionally a reference might be found in the Statistical Accounts to epidemics which had occurred. The earliest known report into public health in Banffshire dates from 1892 - and it makes a fascinating read, but is is not widely accessible. Alison On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > I think it would be worth checking out local records for serious diseases > that > we fortunately dont suffer nowadays such as cholera, typhoid fever, > smallpox. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> > > > William > In answer to your question, the information on the Innes family of James > Innes and Barbara Stewart who farmed at Muire Glenlivet was obtained from > the memorial inscription on stone no 73 at Kirkmichael. > > The dates of birth where given are estimates from the date of death on the > stone and the age at death. > > Apart from William who died 19 October 1852 in North America, the rest of > the family died very young. John died 12 June 1825 age 1 year 6 > months,Alexander died 10 May 1829 age 21, Elspet died 1 Dec 1829 age 13, > Helen died 4 Dec 1829 age 15, Elizabeth died 5 April 1839 age 23, Thomas > died 30 April 1839 age 21. > > There is something very sad about these clusters of death dates in one > family and is worthy of being followed up. There may have been genetic > disposition to a particular disease! > > The father James Innes himself died on 29 April 1839, the family suffering > three bereavements in the same month. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 26/03/2014 18:59, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. > > What would a tuoncr. be ? Bearing in mind that the "St Nicholas Burial Records" as available on the ANESFHS Databank are based on transcriptions of what was originally handwritten data, not all of which was very clear, I would guess it might be "townkeeper" which was a sort of watchman or constable. But the best way to check would be to raise a query to Aberdeen City and Shire Archives who hold the original documents and could check the reading. Gavin Bell (who indexed the St Nicholas Deaths, but did not do all the transcriptions).

toun cryer, maybe, but I think there was another title more commonly used in Scotland? Alison On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk>wrote: > That was my first impression Ian, cannot think of anything alse. > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: ihgrant > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:14 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:59:36 -0000 > "Wendy Burns" <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the > > St > > Nicholas burial records. > > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. > > Maybe town cryer? > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That was my first impression Ian, cannot think of anything alse. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: ihgrant Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:14 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:59:36 -0000 "Wendy Burns" <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the > St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. Maybe town cryer? Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St Nicholas burial records. 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. What would a tuoncr. be ???? Glad of any suggestions Thanks Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:02 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Sorry to cause confusion Ray but Richard is my partner and is helping me with this research. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:50 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Ray, Thank you again for the in depth analysis, all very helpful in my quest. I have also found a James Stewart c27-11-1775 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen who was the son of a James Stewart and Teresea (Tresia;Terresia) BUYERS (Byers;Byres; Byars). All these variations are used at some point in her life :) In my haste I omitted perhaps the most important piece of information that I have on the marriage of James STEWART and Jane SIM. I said that Jane's father was given as John SIM and perhaps the only reason the father's name was given is because the marriage is said to have taken place in the house of the bride's father (John SIM) a wool comber of Aberdeen and performed by the Rev. Mr. Doig of the Trinity Chapel of Ease. It also states that James Stewart was a soldier in the Aberdeen Fencibles at the time of marriage. I have since found an Army record of a James STEWART who was in the Fencibles from 1799-1803 and then signed up in the 2nd Battalion, 59th Foot Regiment in 1812 at age 37 and was a labourer at the time. This James was said to have been discharged due to illness (asthma and rheumatism contracted while on service in Spain) at age 41 and the record shows that he served from 1812-1816 (that would make James STEWART c27-11-1775 a good candidate). Unfortunately there is no mention of next of kin or parents but nonetheless a great find. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:55 AM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Wendy I've just had a look at the births of James SEWART in Aberdeen 1770-1780 [as a guess] and there are two of them in Old Machar, one born in 1779 to John STEWART & Margaret MARNOCH and another born to Alexr STEWART, no mother named. Even if one of these is right, proving it is a bit hard. The next thing to consider is whether the birth of Helen and the birth of either of the above two Jameses is at the same place. In those days, people tended to stay near the family home, often in it. Of course either the wife or the husband had to move but it is likely the man will stay at home to help his father on the land. Although he was a labourer, the family would have at least a small patch of land to grow their own crops on [with a tithe going to the landlord]. I'm not sure how much land went with a home in Old Machar in the late 18C, but they probably had use of some land nearby, either a sort of back garden or a strip somewhere. Regarding the ref to John SIM, you are quite lucky to have any reference to family on a marriage record. I know St Nicholas ministers could be very wordy on the records but that was unusual and is probably because St Nicholas was the most senior kirk in the county. Other ministers and parish clerks were positively stingy in the marriage records, most just naming the couple's names. There can be other possible clues. If you can examine the whole film around Helen's birth, you may find James STEWART as a witness to births, and if the other witness[es] are also STEWARTs they could be family members. It isn't an easy option but we have found a number of one family acting as witnesses, possibly they were elders, and it helped us identify who was about at the time. One last idea: try to see if the Kirk Session Minutes around the birth or marriage are available in the National Archives in Edinburgh. This might be informative though I wouldn't be too hopeful. We found one of our lot was up before them for fornication and there is a note that his father was also being arraigned for the same fault [not the same girl though] at the same time [no record of that session]. Neither girl registered a birth later that year so we got little from that nugget apart from the frisson! Keep trying. You never know when a break-through is going to happen. Good luck & best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 26 March 2014 09:25, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both > Helen's > birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents > as > James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father > as > John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives > Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson > it > is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only > mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was a > labourer. > Not much to go on. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hennessy > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy > > Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and > of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? > > Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may > be > some clues there. It's worth a punt!! > > Good luck > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ==================================== > > On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > > family for me. > > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > > for > > James's parents. > > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to > > search > > next. > > > > All the best > > Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:59:36 -0000 "Wendy Burns" <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. Maybe town cryer? Ian

Sorry to cause confusion Ray but Richard is my partner and is helping me with this research. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:50 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Ray, Thank you again for the in depth analysis, all very helpful in my quest. I have also found a James Stewart c27-11-1775 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen who was the son of a James Stewart and Teresea (Tresia;Terresia) BUYERS (Byers;Byres; Byars). All these variations are used at some point in her life :) In my haste I omitted perhaps the most important piece of information that I have on the marriage of James STEWART and Jane SIM. I said that Jane's father was given as John SIM and perhaps the only reason the father's name was given is because the marriage is said to have taken place in the house of the bride's father (John SIM) a wool comber of Aberdeen and performed by the Rev. Mr. Doig of the Trinity Chapel of Ease. It also states that James Stewart was a soldier in the Aberdeen Fencibles at the time of marriage. I have since found an Army record of a James STEWART who was in the Fencibles from 1799-1803 and then signed up in the 2nd Battalion, 59th Foot Regiment in 1812 at age 37 and was a labourer at the time. This James was said to have been discharged due to illness (asthma and rheumatism contracted while on service in Spain) at age 41 and the record shows that he served from 1812-1816 (that would make James STEWART c27-11-1775 a good candidate). Unfortunately there is no mention of next of kin or parents but nonetheless a great find. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:55 AM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Wendy I've just had a look at the births of James SEWART in Aberdeen 1770-1780 [as a guess] and there are two of them in Old Machar, one born in 1779 to John STEWART & Margaret MARNOCH and another born to Alexr STEWART, no mother named. Even if one of these is right, proving it is a bit hard. The next thing to consider is whether the birth of Helen and the birth of either of the above two Jameses is at the same place. In those days, people tended to stay near the family home, often in it. Of course either the wife or the husband had to move but it is likely the man will stay at home to help his father on the land. Although he was a labourer, the family would have at least a small patch of land to grow their own crops on [with a tithe going to the landlord]. I'm not sure how much land went with a home in Old Machar in the late 18C, but they probably had use of some land nearby, either a sort of back garden or a strip somewhere. Regarding the ref to John SIM, you are quite lucky to have any reference to family on a marriage record. I know St Nicholas ministers could be very wordy on the records but that was unusual and is probably because St Nicholas was the most senior kirk in the county. Other ministers and parish clerks were positively stingy in the marriage records, most just naming the couple's names. There can be other possible clues. If you can examine the whole film around Helen's birth, you may find James STEWART as a witness to births, and if the other witness[es] are also STEWARTs they could be family members. It isn't an easy option but we have found a number of one family acting as witnesses, possibly they were elders, and it helped us identify who was about at the time. One last idea: try to see if the Kirk Session Minutes around the birth or marriage are available in the National Archives in Edinburgh. This might be informative though I wouldn't be too hopeful. We found one of our lot was up before them for fornication and there is a note that his father was also being arraigned for the same fault [not the same girl though] at the same time [no record of that session]. Neither girl registered a birth later that year so we got little from that nugget apart from the frisson! Keep trying. You never know when a break-through is going to happen. Good luck & best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 26 March 2014 09:25, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both > Helen's > birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents > as > James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father > as > John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives > Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson > it > is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only > mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was a > labourer. > Not much to go on. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hennessy > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy > > Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and > of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? > > Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may > be > some clues there. It's worth a punt!! > > Good luck > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ==================================== > > On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > > family for me. > > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > > for > > James's parents. > > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to > > search > > next. > > > > All the best > > Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good news, Wendy, or is it Richard??? Keep going; that looks a good bet. [Wonder why the 1775 James didn't turn up on my search? Another mystery of the web-world!!!] Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 26 March 2014 12:50, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, Thank you again for the in depth analysis, all very helpful in my > quest. I have also found a James Stewart c27-11-1775 in St Nicholas, > Aberdeen who was the son of a James Stewart and Teresea (Tresia;Terresia) > BUYERS (Byers;Byres; Byars). All these variations are used at some point in > her life :) > In my haste I omitted perhaps the most important piece of information that > I > have on the marriage of James STEWART and Jane SIM. I said that Jane's > father was given as John SIM and perhaps the only reason the father's name > was given is because the marriage is said to have taken place in the house > of the bride's father (John SIM) a wool comber of Aberdeen and performed by > the Rev. Mr. Doig of the Trinity Chapel of Ease. It also states that James > Stewart was a soldier in the Aberdeen Fencibles at the time of marriage. I > have since found an Army record of a James STEWART who was in the Fencibles > from 1799-1803 and then signed up in the 2nd Battalion, 59th Foot Regiment > in 1812 at age 37 and was a labourer at the time. This James was said to > have been discharged due to illness (asthma and rheumatism contracted while > on service in Spain) at age 41 and the record shows that he served from > 1812-1816 (that would make James STEWART c27-11-1775 a good candidate). > Unfortunately there is no mention of next of kin or parents but nonetheless > a great find. > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hennessy > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:55 AM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy > > I've just had a look at the births of James SEWART in Aberdeen 1770-1780 > [as a guess] and there are two of them in Old Machar, one born in 1779 to > John STEWART & Margaret MARNOCH and another born to Alexr STEWART, no > mother named. Even if one of these is right, proving it is a bit hard. > > The next thing to consider is whether the birth of Helen and the birth of > either of the above two Jameses is at the same place. In those days, > people tended to stay near the family home, often in it. Of course either > the wife or the husband had to move but it is likely the man will stay at > home to help his father on the land. Although he was a labourer, the > family would have at least a small patch of land to grow their own crops on > [with a tithe going to the landlord]. I'm not sure how much land went with > a home in Old Machar in the late 18C, but they probably had use of some > land nearby, either a sort of back garden or a strip somewhere. > > Regarding the ref to John SIM, you are quite lucky to have any reference to > family on a marriage record. I know St Nicholas ministers could be very > wordy on the records but that was unusual and is probably because St > Nicholas was the most senior kirk in the county. Other ministers and > parish clerks were positively stingy in the marriage records, most just > naming the couple's names. > > There can be other possible clues. If you can examine the whole film > around Helen's birth, you may find James STEWART as a witness to births, > and if the other witness[es] are also STEWARTs they could be family > members. It isn't an easy option but we have found a number of one family > acting as witnesses, possibly they were elders, and it helped us identify > who was about at the time. > > One last idea: try to see if the Kirk Session Minutes around the birth or > marriage are available in the National Archives in Edinburgh. This might > be informative though I wouldn't be too hopeful. We found one of our lot > was up before them for fornication and there is a note that his father was > also being arraigned for the same fault [not the same girl though] at the > same time [no record of that session]. Neither girl registered a birth > later that year so we got little from that nugget apart from the frisson! > > Keep trying. You never know when a break-through is going to happen. > > Good luck & best wishes > > Ray > > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 26 March 2014 09:25, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both > > Helen's > > birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents > > as > > James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father > > as > > John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives > > Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson > > it > > is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only > > mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was > a > > labourer. > > Not much to go on. > > All the best > > Wendy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Hennessy > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM > > To: Aberdeen List > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > > > Hi Wendy > > > > Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and > > of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? > > > > Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may > > be > > some clues there. It's worth a punt!! > > > > Good luck > > > > Ray Hennessy > > www.whatsinaname.net > > > > ==================================== > > > > On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the > following > > > family for me. > > > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > > > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, > Aberdeen. > > > > > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > > > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > > > for > > > James's parents. > > > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > > > > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to > > > search > > > next. > > > > > > All the best > > > Wendy > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ray, Thank you again for the in depth analysis, all very helpful in my quest. I have also found a James Stewart c27-11-1775 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen who was the son of a James Stewart and Teresea (Tresia;Terresia) BUYERS (Byers;Byres; Byars). All these variations are used at some point in her life :) In my haste I omitted perhaps the most important piece of information that I have on the marriage of James STEWART and Jane SIM. I said that Jane's father was given as John SIM and perhaps the only reason the father's name was given is because the marriage is said to have taken place in the house of the bride's father (John SIM) a wool comber of Aberdeen and performed by the Rev. Mr. Doig of the Trinity Chapel of Ease. It also states that James Stewart was a soldier in the Aberdeen Fencibles at the time of marriage. I have since found an Army record of a James STEWART who was in the Fencibles from 1799-1803 and then signed up in the 2nd Battalion, 59th Foot Regiment in 1812 at age 37 and was a labourer at the time. This James was said to have been discharged due to illness (asthma and rheumatism contracted while on service in Spain) at age 41 and the record shows that he served from 1812-1816 (that would make James STEWART c27-11-1775 a good candidate). Unfortunately there is no mention of next of kin or parents but nonetheless a great find. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:55 AM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Wendy I've just had a look at the births of James SEWART in Aberdeen 1770-1780 [as a guess] and there are two of them in Old Machar, one born in 1779 to John STEWART & Margaret MARNOCH and another born to Alexr STEWART, no mother named. Even if one of these is right, proving it is a bit hard. The next thing to consider is whether the birth of Helen and the birth of either of the above two Jameses is at the same place. In those days, people tended to stay near the family home, often in it. Of course either the wife or the husband had to move but it is likely the man will stay at home to help his father on the land. Although he was a labourer, the family would have at least a small patch of land to grow their own crops on [with a tithe going to the landlord]. I'm not sure how much land went with a home in Old Machar in the late 18C, but they probably had use of some land nearby, either a sort of back garden or a strip somewhere. Regarding the ref to John SIM, you are quite lucky to have any reference to family on a marriage record. I know St Nicholas ministers could be very wordy on the records but that was unusual and is probably because St Nicholas was the most senior kirk in the county. Other ministers and parish clerks were positively stingy in the marriage records, most just naming the couple's names. There can be other possible clues. If you can examine the whole film around Helen's birth, you may find James STEWART as a witness to births, and if the other witness[es] are also STEWARTs they could be family members. It isn't an easy option but we have found a number of one family acting as witnesses, possibly they were elders, and it helped us identify who was about at the time. One last idea: try to see if the Kirk Session Minutes around the birth or marriage are available in the National Archives in Edinburgh. This might be informative though I wouldn't be too hopeful. We found one of our lot was up before them for fornication and there is a note that his father was also being arraigned for the same fault [not the same girl though] at the same time [no record of that session]. Neither girl registered a birth later that year so we got little from that nugget apart from the frisson! Keep trying. You never know when a break-through is going to happen. Good luck & best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 26 March 2014 09:25, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both > Helen's > birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents > as > James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father > as > John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives > Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson > it > is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only > mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was a > labourer. > Not much to go on. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hennessy > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy > > Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and > of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? > > Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may > be > some clues there. It's worth a punt!! > > Good luck > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ==================================== > > On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > > family for me. > > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > > for > > James's parents. > > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to > > search > > next. > > > > All the best > > Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wendy I've just had a look at the births of James SEWART in Aberdeen 1770-1780 [as a guess] and there are two of them in Old Machar, one born in 1779 to John STEWART & Margaret MARNOCH and another born to Alexr STEWART, no mother named. Even if one of these is right, proving it is a bit hard. The next thing to consider is whether the birth of Helen and the birth of either of the above two Jameses is at the same place. In those days, people tended to stay near the family home, often in it. Of course either the wife or the husband had to move but it is likely the man will stay at home to help his father on the land. Although he was a labourer, the family would have at least a small patch of land to grow their own crops on [with a tithe going to the landlord]. I'm not sure how much land went with a home in Old Machar in the late 18C, but they probably had use of some land nearby, either a sort of back garden or a strip somewhere. Regarding the ref to John SIM, you are quite lucky to have any reference to family on a marriage record. I know St Nicholas ministers could be very wordy on the records but that was unusual and is probably because St Nicholas was the most senior kirk in the county. Other ministers and parish clerks were positively stingy in the marriage records, most just naming the couple's names. There can be other possible clues. If you can examine the whole film around Helen's birth, you may find James STEWART as a witness to births, and if the other witness[es] are also STEWARTs they could be family members. It isn't an easy option but we have found a number of one family acting as witnesses, possibly they were elders, and it helped us identify who was about at the time. One last idea: try to see if the Kirk Session Minutes around the birth or marriage are available in the National Archives in Edinburgh. This might be informative though I wouldn't be too hopeful. We found one of our lot was up before them for fornication and there is a note that his father was also being arraigned for the same fault [not the same girl though] at the same time [no record of that session]. Neither girl registered a birth later that year so we got little from that nugget apart from the frisson! Keep trying. You never know when a break-through is going to happen. Good luck & best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 26 March 2014 09:25, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both Helen's > birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents > as > James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father > as > John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives > Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson > it > is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only > mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was a > labourer. > Not much to go on. > All the best > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hennessy > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > Hi Wendy > > Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and > of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? > > Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may be > some clues there. It's worth a punt!! > > Good luck > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ==================================== > > On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > > family for me. > > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > > for > > James's parents. > > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to search > > next. > > > > All the best > > Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ray, Thank you very much for the quick response. Yes I have both Helen's birth image and James' marriage image. The birth record shows her parents as James STEWART and Jane SIM and the marriage record only has Jane's father as John SIM no mention of the other parents. Helen's death certificate gives Parent's as James STEWART and Ann SIM but as the informant was a grandson it is possible that he did not know his grandmothers first name. The only mention of occupations is that in 1805, at Helen's birth, her father was a labourer. Not much to go on. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:56 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Hi Wendy Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may be some clues there. It's worth a punt!! Good luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ==================================== On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > family for me. > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or > for > James's parents. > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to search > next. > > All the best > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wendy Have you downloaded the Scotland's People images of the 1801 marriage and of Helen's birth/christening entry in the St Nicholas OPR? Some entries in that OPR were very informative indeed and there just may be some clues there. It's worth a punt!! Good luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ==================================== On 25 March 2014 18:27, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All, I wonder if anyone could please shed some light on the following > family for me. > James STEWART married Jane "Jean" SIM on 17th October 1801 in Aberdeen. > They had a daughter Helen b. 11th September 1805, St Nicholas, Aberdeen. > > I am desperately trying to find parents of both, Jean's marriage record > gives her father as John SIM but cannot find anything for her mother or for > James's parents. > Were there any other children from this marriage ?? > > Any help would be much appreciated as I am out of options where to search > next. > > All the best > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it would be worth checking out local records for serious diseases that we fortunately dont suffer nowadays such as cholera, typhoid fever, smallpox. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Brander" <george.brander@gmail.com> William In answer to your question, the information on the Innes family of James Innes and Barbara Stewart who farmed at Muire Glenlivet was obtained from the memorial inscription on stone no 73 at Kirkmichael. The dates of birth where given are estimates from the date of death on the stone and the age at death. Apart from William who died 19 October 1852 in North America, the rest of the family died very young. John died 12 June 1825 age 1 year 6 months,Alexander died 10 May 1829 age 21, Elspet died 1 Dec 1829 age 13, Helen died 4 Dec 1829 age 15, Elizabeth died 5 April 1839 age 23, Thomas died 30 April 1839 age 21. There is something very sad about these clusters of death dates in one family and is worthy of being followed up. There may have been genetic disposition to a particular disease! The father James Innes himself died on 29 April 1839, the family suffering three bereavements in the same month. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com