17 years apart...........could be a nephew to the Geo. you are looking for......don't just toss it out. This isn't a BIG area......and there are more than ONE Alexander family there. Names carry in Scotland. It wouldn't be hard to investigate the family, I don't think. I didn't spend much time looking, buy it looks to me like there are LOTS of Alexanders' in this small community. Christine is christened 1745, Helen christened 1755......... NATHANIEL is on the list as well...but spelled differently. They didn't pay much attention to spelling in those days like we do today. Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Murray Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:45 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Thanks, Goldie! I'll add that info to the history. The Mosquito Shore (they spelled it every which way back then) is now part of Nicaragua. It was a British settlement, primarily an entrepot for trading with the Mosquito Indians for mahogany and logwood and cochineal (both logwood and cochineal were sources of red dye.) It was raided periodically by the Spanish, but was more defensible than the Bay of Honduras, so the settlers from the Bay fled to the Shore when they were attacked. All that ended in 1798 when the Baymen defeated a Spanish invasion at the Battle of St. George's Key. My people went from Sheffield and Ireland via Jamaica to the Bay, where they were merchants, sending the children home to be educated. I have three books of early records of Belize now on Amazon, and am working on a history of the early settlement of the Mosquito Shore and Belize, but need to get back to the Archives for more research - Gil is now 84 and unable to travel, so everything is on hold. A good many Scots were in Belize as merchants, cutting and shipping mahogany and logwood back to England. If anyone on the Aberdeen list had ancestors who were on the Shore or in Belize (the Bay of Honduras) I'd be interested to know! If there are two baptisms in the same parish record for the same child and with the same father, seven years apart, the odds are that the first child died and the second was given the same name - in this case, probably for the father's father. The rest of the will gives more info on the family: On the decease of my Mother Jane Lesly it is my will and pleasure that the Remainder and Residue of my Estate so invested shall be equally divided between my dear Brother Nathaniel Alexander and my two dear Sisters Christian and Helen Alexander, their Heirs or Executors, or the Survivor or Survivors of them. Thanks again, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:37 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Further.. 2 b/dates for George.... 1. 7 Oct 1730 ..... 2. 30 Oct 1747......his father is given as Alexander Alexander, no mother mentioned. If you are transcribing a will, you can work out his age and then know which one he is. Likely one is an uncle........maybe named after the father of Alex and George.......good luck with this...and just out of curiosity where is Black River, Musquito Shore....I'm sure all Listers would be interested to know.......sounds like 'bring on the "musquito spray"......Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:28 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Could it be Forgue parish, and the croft (farm of ) Frondraught; all in Aberdeenshire? I have some Old Parish Records I took off a film of Forgue, and have some Alexanders as Witnesses to some baptisms, as well as some Leslies I suspect so, Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Murray Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:09 PM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can anyone help? Here's the entry: Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, in an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of Aberdeen in North Britain... Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. Appreciate your help! 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Thanks, Goldie! I'll add that info to the history. The Mosquito Shore (they spelled it every which way back then) is now part of Nicaragua. It was a British settlement, primarily an entrepot for trading with the Mosquito Indians for mahogany and logwood and cochineal (both logwood and cochineal were sources of red dye.) It was raided periodically by the Spanish, but was more defensible than the Bay of Honduras, so the settlers from the Bay fled to the Shore when they were attacked. All that ended in 1798 when the Baymen defeated a Spanish invasion at the Battle of St. George's Key. My people went from Sheffield and Ireland via Jamaica to the Bay, where they were merchants, sending the children home to be educated. I have three books of early records of Belize now on Amazon, and am working on a history of the early settlement of the Mosquito Shore and Belize, but need to get back to the Archives for more research - Gil is now 84 and unable to travel, so everything is on hold. A good many Scots were in Belize as merchants, cutting and shipping mahogany and logwood back to England. If anyone on the Aberdeen list had ancestors who were on the Shore or in Belize (the Bay of Honduras) I'd be interested to know! If there are two baptisms in the same parish record for the same child and with the same father, seven years apart, the odds are that the first child died and the second was given the same name - in this case, probably for the father's father. The rest of the will gives more info on the family: On the decease of my Mother Jane Lesly it is my will and pleasure that the Remainder and Residue of my Estate so invested shall be equally divided between my dear Brother Nathaniel Alexander and my two dear Sisters Christian and Helen Alexander, their Heirs or Executors, or the Survivor or Survivors of them. Thanks again, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:37 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Further.. 2 b/dates for George.... 1. 7 Oct 1730 ..... 2. 30 Oct 1747......his father is given as Alexander Alexander, no mother mentioned. If you are transcribing a will, you can work out his age and then know which one he is. Likely one is an uncle........maybe named after the father of Alex and George.......good luck with this...and just out of curiosity where is Black River, Musquito Shore....I'm sure all Listers would be interested to know.......sounds like 'bring on the "musquito spray"......Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:28 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Could it be Forgue parish, and the croft (farm of ) Frondraught; all in Aberdeenshire? I have some Old Parish Records I took off a film of Forgue, and have some Alexanders as Witnesses to some baptisms, as well as some Leslies I suspect so, Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Murray Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:09 PM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can anyone help? Here's the entry: Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, in an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of Aberdeen in North Britain... Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. Appreciate your help! Sonia Bennett Murray USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can anyone help? Here's the entry: Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, in an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of Aberdeen in North Britain... Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. Appreciate your help! Sonia Bennett Murray USA

Pearl asked: >. . . a "Heckler". Can someone tell me what that is? ScotlandsPeople - www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. - has an excellent section on Occupations. It says:- Hackler/Heckler A person who carries out the early stages of preparing raw fibre (e.g. Jute and flax) for spinning. Hackle-pins and fluted rollers were used to comb and soften the fibre and, in the case of jute, an emulsion of oil and water (whale oil until the late 19th century) was applied to assist the process. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Further.. 2 b/dates for George.... 1. 7 Oct 1730 ..... 2. 30 Oct 1747......his father is given as Alexander Alexander, no mother mentioned. If you are transcribing a will, you can work out his age and then know which one he is. Likely one is an uncle........maybe named after the father of Alex and George.......good luck with this...and just out of curiosity where is Black River, Musquito Shore....I'm sure all Listers would be interested to know.......sounds like 'bring on the "musquito spray"......Goldie -----Original Message----- From: Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:28 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Could it be Forgue parish, and the croft (farm of ) Frondraught; all in Aberdeenshire? I have some Old Parish Records I took off a film of Forgue, and have some Alexanders as Witnesses to some baptisms, as well as some Leslies I suspect so, Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Murray Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:09 PM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can anyone help? Here's the entry: Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, in an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of Aberdeen in North Britain... Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. Appreciate your help! Sonia Bennett Murray USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be Forgue parish, and the croft (farm of ) Frondraught; all in Aberdeenshire? I have some Old Parish Records I took off a film of Forgue, and have some Alexanders as Witnesses to some baptisms, as well as some Leslies I suspect so, Goldie. -----Original Message----- From: Gilbert Murray Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:09 PM To: ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can anyone help? Here's the entry: Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, in an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of Aberdeen in North Britain... Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. Appreciate your help! Sonia Bennett Murray USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your feedback! It’s too bad there isn’t an option for a subscription. I believe it would draw more people to the collection if there were. When I already know the document I want is in the collection, I may not mind paying ‘too much’ for a single image, but if I need to research the records to find the document, it would cost way too much. Shall we start a campaign?? Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com On Mar 28, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Alexander Bisset <ambisset@btinternet.com> wrote: > Veneta, > Scotland's people do not do a subscription service they are bound by the terms of a licence and the payment model is approved by the Scottish Parliament. There has been no move at the Parliament yet to permit an annual subscription to access their records. Sadly not enough people have pressured their MSP to ask for the change. > >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:26:58 +0000 >> From: ray7033@gmail.com >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >> >> Hi Veneta >> >> I have seen no announcement of a subscription service. [It could have >> saved me hundreds of pounds over the years.] >> >> They have a very responsive "Contact Us" service. Why not ask them if such >> a thing is possible and will they introduce it if it can be done? They may >> put a question in their newsletter for the clients to respond to. >> Depending on the level of need, they may introduce it following your >> initiative. >> >> Go for it. >> >> Good luck >> >> Ray >> >> Ray Hennessy >> www.whatsinaname.net >> >> >> On 28 March 2014 15:22, Venita <venitar@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm am returning to my Scottish tree research after having spent the last >>> several months working in another part of the forrest. I'm interested in >>> seeing the digital images of the OPRs if possible. As I recall, they are >>> available at ScotlandsPeople. The number of records I want to see would >>> be way to costly for me to pay for in their traditional way of doing >>> business. Do they offer a year-long subscription yet? Or is there >>> another site where I can see the OPRs? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Venita >>> >>> Family History and Other Fascinations >>> venitap.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While still on the subject of occupations, I noted the other day where a John Ogilvie (1797 - 1883) was a "Heckler". Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks.

A remote possibility a 'tonser' eg. a barber. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:47 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are two descriptions listed from 2 different occupation websites: (1) Lint dresser who separated the coarse flax with a toothed hackle; (2) Combed or "carded" the coarse flax, using a Hackle - a toothed implement - in linen making; Hope this helps. Take care E Brennan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pearl Saunders" <pearl.saunders@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 8:43 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Occupations ... > While still on the subject of occupations, I noted the other day where a > John Ogilvie (1797 - 1883) was a "Heckler". Can someone tell me what > that is? Thanks. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I believe he was a street or cart vendor who called out his services or wares....that is what it means in 1800 USA. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Hi Wendy, This is diificult without viewing the original doc. junior - joiner - tanner - ??? George -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Sent: 28 March 2014 20:37 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen A remote possibility a 'tonser' eg. a barber. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Burns Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:47 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it > was possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor > if there were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Veneta, Scotland's people do not do a subscription service they are bound by the terms of a licence and the payment model is approved by the Scottish Parliament. There has been no move at the Parliament yet to permit an annual subscription to access their records. Sadly not enough people have pressured their MSP to ask for the change. > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:26:58 +0000 > From: ray7033@gmail.com > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > Hi Veneta > > I have seen no announcement of a subscription service. [It could have > saved me hundreds of pounds over the years.] > > They have a very responsive "Contact Us" service. Why not ask them if such > a thing is possible and will they introduce it if it can be done? They may > put a question in their newsletter for the clients to respond to. > Depending on the level of need, they may introduce it following your > initiative. > > Go for it. > > Good luck > > Ray > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > > On 28 March 2014 15:22, Venita <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm am returning to my Scottish tree research after having spent the last > > several months working in another part of the forrest. I'm interested in > > seeing the digital images of the OPRs if possible. As I recall, they are > > available at ScotlandsPeople. The number of records I want to see would > > be way to costly for me to pay for in their traditional way of doing > > business. Do they offer a year-long subscription yet? Or is there > > another site where I can see the OPRs? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Venita > > > > Family History and Other Fascinations > > venitap.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Veneta I have seen no announcement of a subscription service. [It could have saved me hundreds of pounds over the years.] They have a very responsive "Contact Us" service. Why not ask them if such a thing is possible and will they introduce it if it can be done? They may put a question in their newsletter for the clients to respond to. Depending on the level of need, they may introduce it following your initiative. Go for it. Good luck Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 28 March 2014 15:22, Venita <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm am returning to my Scottish tree research after having spent the last > several months working in another part of the forrest. I'm interested in > seeing the digital images of the OPRs if possible. As I recall, they are > available at ScotlandsPeople. The number of records I want to see would > be way to costly for me to pay for in their traditional way of doing > business. Do they offer a year-long subscription yet? Or is there > another site where I can see the OPRs? > > Thank you, > > Venita > > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was their reply: "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? Sorry we could not be of assistance." So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to the possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to these and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the time being. Thanks again for your valuable assistance. All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At this time we are thinking about the centenary of WW1. After wars children as old as 6 yrs might have had a strange man enter the family, or may never have a father figure or known of him. Hopefully nowadays it wouldnt mean not ever knowing about the family of a deceased parent but during the war people did marry in haste. The enquiring mind does need to know. I recently offered to find the family of a former secretary, whose partner asked if I would also assist him; he didnt know much about a parent although his mother had married. I happen to think it is important for us to know who we are. If nothing else the purposes of realising the struggle to survive all the challenges, in comparison with our way of life today has to be enlightening. My findings were to the contrary of any mystery that the ancestors I was searching might have been gypsy or travellers from Europe, and included some interesting families and the names with whom they married. I realised then, it is going to be more difficult for a forthcoming generation, those who dont know the other parent nor grand parents, let alone wish they had spoken more to grand parents as we do now. I hate to see names being bastardised. (lit.) varied beyond recognition. I am not alluding to those we search here. I saw in search results where several variations had been added on the same page, each person believing what they knew was right. A few of the names I found transcribed, LEPLAR, LEPLAW, LEPLOW, LEPLAT and I'll bet there are others. Traditionalist I may be but, what of the person whose birth certificate is written with those names when originally it was Le Pla? It doesnt look right capitalised. We dont normally get to choose what name we take unless there is a personal reason for it. I dont often use a Google search for names but I did, having completed my research, out of curiosity. I found the British History online site contains useful, interesting, and reliable documents and data. I dont remember it being suggested too often http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ Far from excluding Scotland as we might think, type in the word "Scotland" and one finds several pages of information and documentation. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.aspx?q=Scotland I searched a name, but specifically not Scottish. British History online confirmed my suspicion and produced a document of application for naturalisation going through legal purposes, to the House of Lords dated 1662 submitted by Huguenot religious refugees; what better reliable source! Ancestry took an interest initially and asked me where I thought it should be added on their site. They have Historical name pages I suggested, a link to it from search results. Ultimately a final letter from Ancestry thanking me for "allowing them to be of assistance to me" and suggesting I use their Forum! I think I would want my name to be as accurate as it should be from the earliest date in time. Sadly, there are those who dont share the same passion. On a final note, looking to what the researcher might also have to consider in future, someone may find they could once have been born over a different border in another "country" because of Local Government reorganisation which has happened between England and Wales. Janet --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > were such things around 1787 ? There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City Archives. But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an abbreviation for "Town Councillor". I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities for misreadings. Gavin Bell

Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there were such things around 1787 ? All the best Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:46 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 26/03/2014 18:59, Wendy Burns wrote: > Hi All, Can anyone please tell me what the following means. It is on the > St > Nicholas burial records. > 13/02/1787 Teresa Buyers spouse to Jas. Stewart touncr. > > What would a tuoncr. be ? Bearing in mind that the "St Nicholas Burial Records" as available on the ANESFHS Databank are based on transcriptions of what was originally handwritten data, not all of which was very clear, I would guess it might be "townkeeper" which was a sort of watchman or constable. But the best way to check would be to raise a query to Aberdeen City and Shire Archives who hold the original documents and could check the reading. Gavin Bell (who indexed the St Nicholas Deaths, but did not do all the transcriptions). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendy, Gavin, Might your 'touncr' mean TOWNCRIER???? Regards from one who usually just reads the notes/queries Doris in Ontario, Canada On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Wendy Burns <wendy@jcres20.force9.co.uk>wrote: > Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. > I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper > but > as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was > their reply: > "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas > between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen > North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with > them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? > Sorry we could not be of assistance." > So having received this from them I thought I would check with you as to > the > possibility of these suggestions as I have been aware of your input to > these > and other lists in the past and hold your opinion in high regard. > Looks like it will just have to be left as touncr in my records for the > time > being. > Thanks again for your valuable assistance. > > All the best > Wendy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Bell > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:22 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen > > On 28/03/2014 12:43, Wendy Burns wrote: > > Hi Gavin, Could I please impose on your vast knowledge and ask if it was > > possible that my James Stewart could have been a town councillor if there > > were such things around 1787 ? > > There certainly were Councillors at that date - and for many centuries > preceding it. And if he was a Councillor, that fact will definitely be > recorded among the extensive Council documents held by Aberdeen City > Archives. > > But I am guessing this is part of your ongoing attempt to discover what > a "touncr" was? I think you can be fairly confident that it was NOT an > abbreviation for "Town Councillor". > > I would say again that the obvious thing to do is to ask Aberdeen City > Archives to take a look at the original Burial Records and see if they > can make the word out. The Burial records were transcribed some years > ago by volunteers, and that transcription was subsequently > re-transcribed into computer form, so there are multiple possibilities > for misreadings. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Become an *Organ Donor*: Please register at *beadonor.ca <http://beadonor.ca/>*

Hello, I’m am returning to my Scottish tree research after having spent the last several months working in another part of the forrest. I’m interested in seeing the digital images of the OPRs if possible. As I recall, they are available at ScotlandsPeople. The number of records I want to see would be way to costly for me to pay for in their traditional way of doing business. Do they offer a year-long subscription yet? Or is there another site where I can see the OPRs? Thank you, Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com