I have been watching this thread with great interest as I too live in the US and use Scotland's People for my research. I am able to use Ancestry Library Edition at the research Library where I volunteer. If I was to purchase a subscription from home it would cost around $300.00 per year. Using ScotlandsPeople I am able to purchase 60 credits for a little over $23.00 which works out to .39 for a single credit. Yes it does take time to weed through the possibilities, but that is part of the hunt. I have also taken advantage of the wonderful people who subscribe to the Aberdeen list when I have had a problem or issue that I couldn't resolve on my own. I never rely solely on Ancestry because of the poor quality of the transcriptions. They do however point me in what I hope is the right direction. Just my 2 cents for the debate. Jo-Anne > From: venitar@mac.com > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:25:07 -0600 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) > > Venita > > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com > > On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > > Well said Goldie > > > > I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know > > the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be > > invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact > > I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a > > reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches > > SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census > > transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. > > > > Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) > > > > Sharon > > http://birsefolk.id.au/ > > researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) > > special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti > > Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM > > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > > > Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost > > about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book > > for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on > > SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you > > should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see > > it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize > > some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP > > as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and > > think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and > > they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that > > when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking > > a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of > > them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free > > credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do > > when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find > > some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married > > or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or > > even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. > > > > To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of > > worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or > > so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. > > We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Venita said >I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! Hardly. Both SP and FindMyPast are run by BrightSolid. I'm sure they would also put SP on an Annual Subscription basis if it weren't for the legislation which won't allow them, or the NRS (National Records of Scotland), to do so. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Venita Sorry but your maths is seriously flawed or you are getting a REALLY poor exchange rate. You don't say which of the various type of dollars you use but even if it's NZ dollars then 30 credits is $13.63 at today's exchange rate. Now assuming you count 1 credit for a search and 5 for an image that's still 5 searches and 5 images you get for less than $15. If you are in US, Canada, Australia then you get even more for your dollars as the exchange rate is better than I quoted. Ie most certainly not "about $15 US to look at one record." It's more than FIVE TIMES CHEAPER than that. Yes it mounts up and yes those of us with lots of Scottish records wish there was a subscription. However please don't post completely false impressions of the cost. It does the cause of promoting improving the access to Scottish records no favours if you wildly over estimate the costs. Regards Alexander Bisset Sent from my iPad Air Try my FREE Family Tree Analyzer program at http://FTAnalyzer.codeplex.com to investigate the data hidden in your research. > On 31 Mar 2014, at 19:25, Venita <venitar@mac.com> wrote: > > Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) > > Venita

Ray and Alexander. I thank you very much. I have a better understanding of how to use the site. I really appreciate all the help that I find on these lists. Bobbie On 3/31/2014 6:49 PM, Ray Hennessy wrote: > Bobbie > > Everything Alexander said is dead right. To supplement his work, I also > splurged 1 credit to see if there were any records of the children. No luck >

And don't forget the on line freecen@rootsweb to see if you can find some of your folks on the 1841........not all are on line for the parishes, but if you snoop the first page you can find out what is and what is not on line. Again, I say........if you can get the film wherever you are, you are further ahead than picking up one at a time on SP. And again I say..........OUT LOUD.....those records belong to Scotland, and if you have to pay for them, that is YOUR choice. Nothing is free in life, most of you realize that......those are OLD PARISH RECORDS and the property of Scotland. Got IT? There is no FREE RIDE........Goldie (Canada, by the way) -----Original Message----- From: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 5:42 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotland's People Alexander said >What we didn't mention is that the reason we aren't finding the children >might be that they are recording in the rather sparse form... Don't forget that the pre-1855 OPRs are the records kept by the Session Clerks of the Parishes of the (Established) Church of Scotland and don't normally include non-conformists or RCs although it is not unknown. Also the OPRs, as well as marriages, primarily record baptisms and, only in some cases births. It is not unknown for baptisms to occur some time after the birth and may be for 'several' children in the family (when the Minister caught up with the parents). I have to confess to this as our youngest two were baptised at the same time despite being 18 months apart. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You may be right Alexander, but Scotland's People is still way more expensive than it needs to be. They seem to be praying on those overseas who want to explore their Scotish heritage. I found that often the data I was not looking for was not there but was to be found elsewhere. Doug >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:53:45 +0100 >From: Alexander Bisset <ambisset@btinternet.com> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >To: "aberdeen@rootsweb.com" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <E38FB0FA-4ABA-47AC-AF8F-C332E54AF61A@btinternet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Hi Venita > >Sorry but your maths is seriously flawed or you are getting a REALLY >poor exchange rate. You don't say which of the various type of >dollars you use but even if it's NZ dollars then 30 credits is >$13.63 at today's exchange rate. Now assuming you count 1 credit for >a search and 5 for an image that's still 5 searches and 5 images you >get for less than $15. If you are in US, Canada, Australia then you >get even more for your dollars as the exchange rate is better than I quoted. > >Ie most certainly not "about $15 US to look at one record." It's >more than FIVE TIMES CHEAPER than that. Yes it mounts up and yes >those of us with lots of Scottish records wish there was a >subscription. However please don't post completely false impressions >of the cost. It does the cause of promoting improving the access to >Scottish records no favours if you wildly over estimate the costs. > >Regards >Alexander Bisset

I have been reading the posts regarding Scotland's People and have some questions. I am new to searching in Scotland and could use some hints from those who have gone before me. I have Margaret Watt who married James Cassey in Aberdeen between 1815 and 1826 approximately. They had three children born mid to late 18520s, Mary, Isabella and a son who died young. Any suggestions that anyone can give me so I do not spend too much on Scotland's People would be helpful. What kind of info can I expect/hope to find? I am looking for a marriage date, the birthdates of the chidren, etc. James supposedly came to the US ahead of the rest of the family, who came ca 1830-1835. James is said to have died before the ship arrived in the US. The son\ also is said to have died on the journey and both were buried at sea, according to family legend. Thanks, Bobbie

I do view the record first, and that would be sufficient for me. However, I have a couple of relatives who don't own or use computers and like to have the paper copies. I can afford it; they can't, so I order copies for them and just don't tell them how much they cost. But good advice for others, nevertheless. Thanks, Alexander. Margaret Gibbs On 31/03/2014 3:58 PM, Alexander Bisset wrote: > Normally Margaret you get them instantly as you click "view" rather than the dramatically more expensive and slower option of "order". Really there is only one reason you would ever order a certificate and that is if you need it for legal proof of some sort. Otherwise you should save your cash and click view instead of order. Not only is it cheaper you get to see the image immediately and can save it to your computer and/or print it out. > > Regards > Alexander Bisset > > Sent from my iPad Air > Try my FREE Family Tree Analyzer program at http://FTAnalyzer.codeplex.com to investigate the data hidden in your research. > >> On 31 Mar 2014, at 23:49, bethanyc@aebc.com wrote: >> >> This is a digression, but how long should it take >> to receive copies of records mailed to the west >> coast of Canada? (Hello, Goldie -- I'm in >> Richmond, on the south side of Vancouver.) I paid >> for six records on the 26th of February but have >> not received them yet. Is that usual? I was going >> to write Scotlands People and ask, but thought I >> might be jumping the gun and didn't want to sound >> pushy. >> >> As for getting microfilm from the LDS, I envy >> researchers who can read that. I realize it's not >> that common a condition, but I have an inherited >> eye/brain glitch that means one look at microfilm >> scrolling or flipping causes instant nausea and a >> blinding headache. (Also from reading a Kindle, or >> driving along a road with evenly spaced trees in >> the late afternoon when the sun is low, or from -- >> in the past -- people's showing of their vacation >> slides, or steadily blinking Christmas tree >> lights. A cousin was a pilot of fighter jets in >> the Canadian air force, but was unable to learn to >> fly a helicopter because the sunlight flashing >> through the turning blades made him sick.) So it's >> either computer research or paying for copies of >> records by mail for me, as I'm unable to travel to >> the source location. I hadn't heard of Find My >> Past, but must take a look at it. I've had a >> subscription to Ancestry for years and made much >> use of it. And if anyone has ancestors who were in >> the Gordon Highlanders, the researchers at their >> museum are very helpful if one takes out a (very >> inexpensive) membership to the Friends of the >> Museum. I was extremely lucky in that my >> grandfather's World War I records were among the >> few that escaped destruction in WWII bombings, and >> with his service number, the museum researchers >> were able to find something I hadn't known -- that >> he had been in the Gordons since 1912, which >> explains why he was overseas so soon after war was >> declared that he was caught up in the Retreat from >> Mons. The family had always assumed he joined up >> in 1914, and wondered how he got through basic >> training so quickly. >> >> Margaret (Clerihew) Gibbs >> >> >> >> >>> On 31/03/2014 12:36 PM, Barbara wrote: >>> And, the folks at SP, cannot say enough good things about them. >>> They have been very considerate and cooperative on several issues I have >>> had to refer in the past. A dedicated bunch of people for sure. My hat >>> goes off to them for helping us folks across the pond. >>> Not posting to disagree with anyone else's experience, only stating my own. >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a digression, but how long should it take to receive copies of records mailed to the west coast of Canada? (Hello, Goldie -- I'm in Richmond, on the south side of Vancouver.) I paid for six records on the 26th of February but have not received them yet. Is that usual? I was going to write Scotlands People and ask, but thought I might be jumping the gun and didn't want to sound pushy. As for getting microfilm from the LDS, I envy researchers who can read that. I realize it's not that common a condition, but I have an inherited eye/brain glitch that means one look at microfilm scrolling or flipping causes instant nausea and a blinding headache. (Also from reading a Kindle, or driving along a road with evenly spaced trees in the late afternoon when the sun is low, or from -- in the past -- people's showing of their vacation slides, or steadily blinking Christmas tree lights. A cousin was a pilot of fighter jets in the Canadian air force, but was unable to learn to fly a helicopter because the sunlight flashing through the turning blades made him sick.) So it's either computer research or paying for copies of records by mail for me, as I'm unable to travel to the source location. I hadn't heard of Find My Past, but must take a look at it. I've had a subscription to Ancestry for years and made much use of it. And if anyone has ancestors who were in the Gordon Highlanders, the researchers at their museum are very helpful if one takes out a (very inexpensive) membership to the Friends of the Museum. I was extremely lucky in that my grandfather's World War I records were among the few that escaped destruction in WWII bombings, and with his service number, the museum researchers were able to find something I hadn't known -- that he had been in the Gordons since 1912, which explains why he was overseas so soon after war was declared that he was caught up in the Retreat from Mons. The family had always assumed he joined up in 1914, and wondered how he got through basic training so quickly. Margaret (Clerihew) Gibbs On 31/03/2014 12:36 PM, Barbara wrote: > And, the folks at SP, cannot say enough good things about them. > They have been very considerate and cooperative on several issues I have > had to refer in the past. A dedicated bunch of people for sure. My hat > goes off to them for helping us folks across the pond. > Not posting to disagree with anyone else's experience, only stating my own. >

To piggyback on what Alexander said... I have spent many many "pennies" at Scotlands People and yes, have done some unintelligent searches and yes have gotten some records for folks that were not mine but I have to say...my approx $12.50 US Dollars for every 30 credits have not only provided many many hours of enjoyment, but has allowed me to find out information about my various family lines that I never could have gotten elsewhere, all from the comfort of my own home. And, the folks at SP, cannot say enough good things about them. They have been very considerate and cooperative on several issues I have had to refer in the past. A dedicated bunch of people for sure. My hat goes off to them for helping us folks across the pond. Not posting to disagree with anyone else's experience, only stating my own. Best to all, Barbara On 3/31/2014 2:25 PM, Venita wrote: > Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) > > Venita > > Family History and Other Fascinations > venitap.com > > On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >> Well said Goldie >> >> I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know >> the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be >> invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact >> I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a >> reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches >> SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census >> transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. >> >> Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) >> >> Sharon >> http://birsefolk.id.au/ >> researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) >> special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti >> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >> >> Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost >> about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book >> for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on >> SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you >> should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see >> it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize >> some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP >> as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and >> think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and >> they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that >> when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking >> a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of >> them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free >> credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do >> when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find >> some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married >> or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or >> even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. >> >> To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of >> worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or >> so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. >> We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So sorry Gavin, I did not mean that the transcriber was in any way negligent but merely that they were taking their best calculated and educated guess as to what the written word said. Stab in the dark was certainly not the right phrase to use and I do appreciate how difficult it can be to make out some of the handwriting. Apologies to yourself and the transcriber. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 2:38 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] James STEWART and Jane "Jean" SIM m.1801 Aberdeen On 29/03/2014 22:48, Wendy Burns wrote: > It may just be that the person reading the original document just took a > stab in the dark with the "touncr." and in fact it was weaver. I have to protest on behalf of the transcriber! Those of us who work at the Archives do not "take a stab in the dark". If it was transcribed as "touncr." then it will have looked like that, not like "weaver". But I have to say again, speculation on what the original might have been should be postponed until someone has taken another look at the original! This is the relvant volume of the "Accounts of the Master of Kirk and Bridge Works") which are held by Aberdeen City Archives and can be inspected by researchers, or which Archives staff will probably be prepared to do a lookup. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 29/03/2014 22:48, Wendy Burns wrote: > It may just be that the person reading the original document just took a > stab in the dark with the "touncr." and in fact it was weaver. I have to protest on behalf of the transcriber! Those of us who work at the Archives do not "take a stab in the dark". If it was transcribed as "touncr." then it will have looked like that, not like "weaver". But I have to say again, speculation on what the original might have been should be postponed until someone has taken another look at the original! This is the relvant volume of the "Accounts of the Master of Kirk and Bridge Works") which are held by Aberdeen City Archives and can be inspected by researchers, or which Archives staff will probably be prepared to do a lookup. Gavin Bell

On 28/03/2014 16:48, Doris Grant wrote: > Wendy, Gavin, > > Might your 'touncr' mean TOWNCRIER? Strikes me as unlikely, as there has never (so far as I know) been such an official in Aberdeen. Announcements were generally made by the Town Drummer, who is documented in records. But the point I have already made, and would now repeat, is that the "records" as they exist on the ANESFHS website are transcriptions (at 2 removes) from the handwritten originals which are held by Aberdeen City Archives. So the first thing to do is to have someone take another look at the original, and see if they can confirm the "touncr." reading, or think it might actually say something different. Transcribing old documents is nbot an exact science, and a freash pair of eyes can sometimes see things differently. Gavin Bell

On 28/03/2014 15:47, Wendy Burns wrote: > Yes Gavin still trying to discover exactly what a touncr. is. > I appreciate your input and suggestion that it probably was a townkeeper but > as I have been in touch with Aberdeen City Archives and the following was > their reply: > "Thank you for your email. We only hold Burial registers for St Nicholas > between 1824-c.1965. Perhaps the information came from the ANESFHS Aberdeen > North East Scotland Family History Society in which case I would check with > them. At a guess, could it be Toun Crier (Town Crier) or Town Councillor? > Sorry we could not be of assistance." Oh, dear. They really should know better than that. The "burial records" on the ANESFHS website are taken (as is made perfectly clear in the "Help" files on the website) from the Accounts of the "Master of Kirk and Bridgeworks" which they very definitely DO hold. There are incomplete earlier records, but the Archives hold these accounts for the period from 1590 to 1793. Remind them of that, with my compliments! Gavin

Well said Goldie I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) Sharon http://birsefolk.id.au/ researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie

Thank you, Ray, Frendraught it is. Another example of the difficulties clerks faced in copying original handwriting, and then copying the copy into another record, doubling the chance of mistakes. So there was a castle there! I wonder if it was rebuilt and if the Alexanders lived there, or if it had been reduced to a farm by the end of the 18th century. George Alexander left quite a lot of money - many of the merchants who went to the Mosquito Shore and Belize became wealthy - sadly, on the backs on their slaves. But businessmen in England were paying their workers pennies - poverty was endemic - the Iron Law of Wages was very much in force. From everything I've read, I would much rather have been a slave in Belize than a pauper in Great Britain! Thanks again, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:59 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? On 29 March 2014 23:06, B&A Smith <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> wrote: > Frendraught in Forgue > > Alison ================================= Gilbert I agree with Alison. If you look again at the original you may find that "Frouchaught " is actually much closer to Frendraught. The letters: "ouch" in manuscript are easily mistaken for "endr". Equally "Fergy" is very close to "Forgue" in manuscript, even allowing for idiosyncratic spelling. You might be interested that one of Sheena's MELDRUM ancestors was executed for setting fire to Frendraught castle in the early 17thC although he insisted he had been about 10 miles away at the time. The story is on the internet in a number of different variations. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Alison! Frendraught is nailed down. Another example of how clerks misread testator's handwriting when it was copied and copied again! All the best, Sonia -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:59 PM To: Aberdeen List Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? On 29 March 2014 23:06, B&A Smith <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> wrote: > Frendraught in Forgue > > Alison ================================= Gilbert I agree with Alison. If you look again at the original you may find that "Frouchaught " is actually much closer to Frendraught. The letters: "ouch" in manuscript are easily mistaken for "endr". Equally "Fergy" is very close to "Forgue" in manuscript, even allowing for idiosyncratic spelling. You might be interested that one of Sheena's MELDRUM ancestors was executed for setting fire to Frendraught castle in the early 17thC although he insisted he had been about 10 miles away at the time. The story is on the internet in a number of different variations. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Well said Goldie > > I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know > the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be > invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact > I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a > reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches > SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census > transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. > > Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) > > Sharon > http://birsefolk.id.au/ > researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) > special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti > Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost > about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book > for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on > SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you > should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see > it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize > some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP > as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and > think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and > they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that > when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking > a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of > them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free > credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do > when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find > some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married > or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or > even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. > > To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of > worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or > so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. > We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be the first to think out of the box and boldly go as Goldie said, but Scotland's People is not a commercial site. GRO is part of the devolved Scottish Administration. It may not be appreciated by all. General Register Office for Scotland merged with the National Archives of Scotland to become the National Records of Scotland (NRS). Scotland's People, a partnership between the National Records of Scotland and the Court of the Lord Lyon enabled by Brightsolid. In other words its run by the Scottish government. We can try and lobby a government department, as I think others have done before but we cant expect too much in the same way as we might were Scotland's People a commercial genealogy research site. I would let "sleeping dogs lie " and be thankful we dont have to pay the same for a record as we do from General Register Office. Without it many of us would have no access to reliable records and not be able to continue with our research. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon" <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) Sharon http://birsefolk.id.au/ researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Maybe it would be FRENDRAUGHT in the parish of Forgue. Only a few miles from Leslie country. Tom On 29 March 2014 22:09, Gilbert Murray <happyman70@cableone.net> wrote: > Hi - I'm transcribing old wills of the Mosquito Shore, for a history, and > cannot identify a place in Aberdeenshire named in a will of 1785. Can > anyone help? > > Here's the entry: > > Black River, Musquito Shore: I, George Alexander of the Shore, Merchant, > in > an ill state of health. As soon as convenient after my decease I desire my > Exors residing on the Musquito Shore sell and dispose of all property I may > have on the Shore, the neat proceeds of which, together with the Debts due > me on the Shore as soon as they can be collected, I desire may be remitted > into the hands of my Exor in Great Britain to be placed at Interest in the > Public Funds. I bequeath to my Honored Mother Jane LESLY, widow of > Alexander Alexander of Frouchaught? in the Parish of Fergey* and shire of > Aberdeen in North Britain... > > Can anyone locate Frouchaught - could be Frourhaught? Fergey? I suspect > Fergey = Fergue. The people are not my ancestors. > > Appreciate your help! > > Sonia Bennett Murray > USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >