We have a saying here...   You can have any 2 of the 3... you can have it good, fast, or cheap.   >If you want it good and cheap it will not be fast.  >If you want it good and fast it will not be cheap. >If you want it cheap and fast it will not be good. > > >In genealogy there are a LOT of good records you can get for FREE!  There are also records that cost sometimes A LOT.   Governments, even if we like to believe otherwise, are not bottomless pits of money.  They have to pay for the proper warehousing, indexing, and administration of records that can and do span centuries.   Businesses do that by charging the customer what it makes plus a profit margin.  Governments try and often don't recap their costs.  In my humble opinion, Scotlands People is a great resource for a small cost.   We are lucky to have it.    As to a subscription vs pay as you go, I have often seen when governments assess what they have been charging for years, the costs go up.  I would not recommend doing a referendum... you may not like the results.   There are other ways to do research before paying for it...   use all the free services...  >a.  Internet trees (yes they can be garbage but that is why you do the real research after it gives you a possible lead) >b.  Free genie services like LDS online  or you can now get microfiche through many of the local libraries around the world.  It is worth stopping in at your local branch and asking. >c.  Working with teams of researchers for same families...  spreads the cost out over multiple kinds of access.  I did that with over 12 people over 3 years+ for the Penny family of Rathen.  It was wonderful for a whole lot of reasons! >d.  Geneanet  once again user donated but there is both a free and paid site.  I have seen less garbage there than on ancestry which can be a joke.  Somehow they show one of my aunts married to her niece or an uncle to a nephew I forget which but it is so wrong and somehow it had my name attached to it but I never put anything up into ancestry. >e.  Free census records >f.  Local genealogy / history societies... > > >Realistically all hobbies and businesses cost money to operate.  Genealogy falls into both categories and is fortunate to have all the free and low cost resources it has.... > > >Laura > >

You can also have films and fiche sent to your local library. Your local library is open a lot more hours and usually more convenient hours. Bobbie On 4/1/2014 8:13 AM, LorneandJudy wrote: > Scotland's people, should have owned shared in it, but without them, I certainly would not have all my family inFormation with such great details without the credits and dollars spent. These are fabulous records with so much information. > If you have a LDS church near you, you can order in micro fiches to have delivered to that particular church. > We did this a few years ago, and it was quite reasonable. You just have to phone them and find out when they are open. Only open certain days and times, as it is run by volunteers. > Judy Anderson, > Many years a researcher. > From South Surrey, B. C., Canada too, >

The General Register Office in Surrey works on the principle of not for profit so we are paying a fee which is not commercially inflated, but supports the expense of running the Department. I suspect GROS is the same.. As we are sharing information and making comparisons, it may be that English certificates from an early date are not fully informative; it would be interesting to know. I have some very early baptismal records in London and surrounding counties. Records for other parts of England are not complete. In a baptismal or christening record, the date of birth is not always inserted and only the father's name and occupation also, but registration was from 1837 though not enforced until a later date. There is also FreeBMD back to 1837 which is helpful and the earlier dates show the mother's maiden surname. I dont have early births and marriages as mine were born Scotland. I have in front of me in England, 1857 Marriage Solemnized at the name of the church, Parish and County Date of Marriage, Name and surname of bride & groom, Age of bride and groom, Rank and profession, Residence at the time, Father's names, Rank or Profession. The certificate states the religion and signatures of both parties and the names of Witnesses. 1894, Date of birth, address where born, "Sex", Name and surname of father, Name and maiden surname of mother, Rank or profession of Father, Signature Description and Residence of Informant. Date when Registered, signature of registrar 1899 When and where died, name and surname, Sex, age, occupation, cause of death, signature, description and residence of Informant, When registered. Signature of Registrar If I can help please let me know. The fact that Scotland's People's records are online at a comparatively low fee is a tremendous benefit. I think FMP has transcriptions not the original documents which are held in Scotland. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Bisset" <ambisset@btinternet.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotland's People Yet it is still far cheaper than getting certificates with less information when you are lumbered with English ancestors and their bare indexes. This is typically why a very large number of tree with English ancestors have births to the nearest quarter as typically people don't want to pay the extra for a certificate. Especially since an English certificate contains very little data. As I have said four or five times now, I desperately want to see a subscription service as I have purchased just over 1500 images from Scotland's people (1506 to be precise). I would view a whole lot more if it was a subscription service but a credit system still doesn't put me off. I have 1/16 2g grandparents who is English the other 15/16 are from NE Scotland, the English line is far far more about finding them on a census as that is almost the only reliable source of data out there that you can view as images, although thankfully that's slowly changing but it's hit or miss depending on where your ancestors came from. After that you typically have to rely on films or visiting specific research centres or worse information from others. Whereas the depth and variety of Scottish records at Scotland's people with the wealth of info you get on each type of "certificate" means that almost everything can be done online from your own home, and it's only when you want to augment that info do you need to seek out other sources. I'd probably have given up years ago if I had mainly English ancestors and had to suffer the paucity of information that is available. Regards Alexander Bisset --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

If you go on Ancestry.com nearly every day, $400.00, isn't that much divided by 365 days. We all research differently, and who's to say, one is better than the other. I do know, the probate records on Ancestry. Com has been a tremendous source of exact death dates and of course executors names , whether they be wives or children, or family members or the family lawyers etc. I am happy with my choices, as I am sure others are too. Also, ancestry. Com has a feature where you can email documents to others, and that has always been a big part of my searching and researching. Sharing... Just my two bits worth too. Judy Anderson Canadian eh!! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:19 AM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@shaw.ca> wrote: > > It's a very small amount to pay compared to the WEALTH of information I have gathered for my Family Research. I certainly wouldn't be where I am in my family history and how any family connections I have made because of Scotland's People and of course Ancestry.com. > Judy Anderson > Surrey B.C. Canada > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: >> >> I have been watching this thread with great interest as I too live in the US and use Scotland's People for my research. I am able to use Ancestry Library Edition at the research Library where I volunteer. If I was to purchase a subscription from home it would cost around $300.00 per year. Using ScotlandsPeople I am able to purchase 60 credits for a little over $23.00 which works out to .39 for a single credit. Yes it does take time to weed through the possibilities, but that is part of the hunt. I have also taken advantage of the wonderful people who subscribe to the Aberdeen list when I have had a problem or issue that I couldn't resolve on my own. I never rely solely on Ancestry because of the poor quality of the transcriptions. They do however point me in what I hope is the right direction. >> >> Just my 2 cents for the debate. >> >> Jo-Anne >> >> >>> From: venitar@mac.com >>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:25:07 -0600 >>> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >>> >>> Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) >>> >>> Venita >>> >>> Family History and Other Fascinations >>> venitap.com >>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well said Goldie >>>> >>>> I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know >>>> the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be >>>> invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact >>>> I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a >>>> reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches >>>> SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census >>>> transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. >>>> >>>> Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) >>>> >>>> Sharon >>>> http://birsefolk.id.au/ >>>> researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) >>>> special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti >>>> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM >>>> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >>>> >>>> Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost >>>> about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book >>>> for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on >>>> SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you >>>> should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see >>>> it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize >>>> some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP >>>> as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and >>>> think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and >>>> they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that >>>> when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking >>>> a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of >>>> them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free >>>> credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do >>>> when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find >>>> some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married >>>> or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or >>>> even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. >>>> >>>> To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of >>>> worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or >>>> so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. >>>> We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I think I poked the hornet’s nest. Sorry about that!! I would gleefully pay for a year’s subscription to ScotlandsPeople if it were available. I have subscriptions to Ancestry.com and FindMyPast.com. I am on my computer every day doing family history research, which means I pay Ancestry about $1.00/day to access all that they have, and FMP about $.50/day for the same kind of access. For all of the new records I have found, I call that a huge bargain. And I am at home, in my own office, in my bunny slippers. Life is good! Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:19 AM, LorneandJudy <lorneanderson@shaw.ca> wrote: > It's a very small amount to pay compared to the WEALTH of information I have gathered for my Family Research. I certainly wouldn't be where I am in my family history and how any family connections I have made because of Scotland's People and of course Ancestry.com. > Judy Anderson > Surrey B.C. Canada > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: >> >> I have been watching this thread with great interest as I too live in the US and use Scotland's People for my research. I am able to use Ancestry Library Edition at the research Library where I volunteer. If I was to purchase a subscription from home it would cost around $300.00 per year. Using ScotlandsPeople I am able to purchase 60 credits for a little over $23.00 which works out to .39 for a single credit. Yes it does take time to weed through the possibilities, but that is part of the hunt. I have also taken advantage of the wonderful people who subscribe to the Aberdeen list when I have had a problem or issue that I couldn't resolve on my own. I never rely solely on Ancestry because of the poor quality of the transcriptions. They do however point me in what I hope is the right direction. >> >> Just my 2 cents for the debate. >> >> Jo-Anne >> >> >>> From: venitar@mac.com >>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:25:07 -0600 >>> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >>> >>> Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) >>> >>> Venita >>> >>> Family History and Other Fascinations >>> venitap.com >>> >>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well said Goldie >>>> >>>> I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know >>>> the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be >>>> invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact >>>> I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a >>>> reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches >>>> SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census >>>> transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. >>>> >>>> Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) >>>> >>>> Sharon >>>> http://birsefolk.id.au/ >>>> researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) >>>> special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti >>>> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM >>>> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >>>> >>>> Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost >>>> about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book >>>> for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on >>>> SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you >>>> should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see >>>> it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize >>>> some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP >>>> as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and >>>> think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and >>>> they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that >>>> when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking >>>> a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of >>>> them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free >>>> credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do >>>> when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find >>>> some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married >>>> or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or >>>> even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. >>>> >>>> To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of >>>> worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or >>>> so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. >>>> We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said, Mark. An easily overlooked aspect of ScotlandsPeople is the quality of the indexing, which ensures that search results are closely matched to the search criteria. So if we're looking for a Sandy Thomson in Lumphanan, you won't end up with a list of hundreds of variants on Samuel Thorn in Lonmay or London. The search facility does what you ask of it. It's also important to bear in mind that as genealogical researchers, our first recourse is to primary sources, which means looking at original records or their digitised versions. For Scotland we have the full range of civil registration records, wills, parochial & Catholic records, as well as census records and valuation rolls, all accessible in original format - and all in one place! It's all very well finding someone who looks like your ancestor in an Ancestry tree, but can you rely on its accuracy when you don't have sight of the records on which it's based? The person who once referred to "Ancestory" spoke volumes... Let's compare like with like. Alison On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Mark Sutherland-Fisher (HFH) < info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk> wrote: > Good morning all, > As Andy said, Scotland's People is a government website. Scotland is one of > the few countries in the world who have put almost all their public records > on a digital platform so that they can be accessed from anywhere in the > world. You can't do it in England or the USA. If one knows what one is > searching for, it is incredibly cheap. The search is free. Checking the > records costs 1 unit and downloading an image of the actual entry in the > records costs 5 units and then one can store the downloaded record for use > as often as needed, printing out etc. No having to order it. No having to > wait for it to arrive in the post. It happens instantly. As 30 units cost > £7, careful searching will generate up to 5 images. That is a cost of £7 > instead of around £50-75 if having to order them. > > I have personally downloaded over 100 family certificates. I have also > downloaded wills written as early as 1610 and much more. > > I use Ancestry which happens to be utterly hopeless when it comes to > Scottish records. Those who transcribed original records often get the > names > and place names hopelessly wrong. Family Search is full of entries which > are > no more than wishful thinking on the part of members of the Latter Day > Saints church who have submitted them. Find My Past is just like Ancestry. > Other than for the very exceptional entry which Scotland's People has > overlooked or failed to index, there should not be records for Scotland > which appear on the member websites if they relate to items covered by the > Scotland's People site. > Regards, > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Andy > Sent: 31 March 2014 22:44 > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > Hi > > ScotlandsPeople is not a commercial website, it is a Scottish Government > website (note the url .gov.uk) operated by BrightSolid on behalf of > various > Scottish Government Departments. > > BrightSolid, as well as running its own commercial sites such as Findmypast > and GenesReunited also manages IT services for a number of businesses and > organisations including ScotlandsPeople on behalf of the Scottish > Government. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Venita > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:25 AM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople > > Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and > number > > of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one > record. That's fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I'm > not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for > additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many > digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on > FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it's time for them to > stop > shooting themselves in the foot! I'm for spending my money wisely - must > be > the Scottish in me . ;-) > > Venita > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Venita I am not sure how you are doing your conversion of cash costing for ScotlandsPeople, You say US$15 to look at one record....at the present exchange rate (7.00 GBP = 11.67 USD) 30 credits or 5 views and 5 downloads (1 credit + 5 credits each per image) the cost of one single image is only $2.39 USD..... In reality FMP is not ScotlandsPeople and there is only the one place online to download the permissible Scottish Government records other than as I had said previously ... an LDS centre! I would say this is very reasonable compared to purchasing a single English or Welsh certificate at the cost of GBP£9.25.... Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Venita Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:25 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) Venita --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi ScotlandsPeople is not a commercial website, it is a Scottish Government website (note the url .gov.uk) operated by BrightSolid on behalf of various Scottish Government Departments. BrightSolid, as well as running its own commercial sites such as Findmypast and GenesReunited also manages IT services for a number of businesses and organisations including ScotlandsPeople on behalf of the Scottish Government. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Venita Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:25 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) Venita

Good morning all, As Andy said, Scotland's People is a government website. Scotland is one of the few countries in the world who have put almost all their public records on a digital platform so that they can be accessed from anywhere in the world. You can't do it in England or the USA. If one knows what one is searching for, it is incredibly cheap. The search is free. Checking the records costs 1 unit and downloading an image of the actual entry in the records costs 5 units and then one can store the downloaded record for use as often as needed, printing out etc. No having to order it. No having to wait for it to arrive in the post. It happens instantly. As 30 units cost £7, careful searching will generate up to 5 images. That is a cost of £7 instead of around £50-75 if having to order them. I have personally downloaded over 100 family certificates. I have also downloaded wills written as early as 1610 and much more. I use Ancestry which happens to be utterly hopeless when it comes to Scottish records. Those who transcribed original records often get the names and place names hopelessly wrong. Family Search is full of entries which are no more than wishful thinking on the part of members of the Latter Day Saints church who have submitted them. Find My Past is just like Ancestry. Other than for the very exceptional entry which Scotland's People has overlooked or failed to index, there should not be records for Scotland which appear on the member websites if they relate to items covered by the Scotland's People site. Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 31 March 2014 22:44 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople Hi ScotlandsPeople is not a commercial website, it is a Scottish Government website (note the url .gov.uk) operated by BrightSolid on behalf of various Scottish Government Departments. BrightSolid, as well as running its own commercial sites such as Findmypast and GenesReunited also manages IT services for a number of businesses and organisations including ScotlandsPeople on behalf of the Scottish Government. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Venita Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 5:25 AM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) Venita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's a very small amount to pay compared to the WEALTH of information I have gathered for my Family Research. I certainly wouldn't be where I am in my family history and how any family connections I have made because of Scotland's People and of course Ancestry.com. Judy Anderson Surrey B.C. Canada Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Jo-Anne HUBER <gmomsews2@msn.com> wrote: > > I have been watching this thread with great interest as I too live in the US and use Scotland's People for my research. I am able to use Ancestry Library Edition at the research Library where I volunteer. If I was to purchase a subscription from home it would cost around $300.00 per year. Using ScotlandsPeople I am able to purchase 60 credits for a little over $23.00 which works out to .39 for a single credit. Yes it does take time to weed through the possibilities, but that is part of the hunt. I have also taken advantage of the wonderful people who subscribe to the Aberdeen list when I have had a problem or issue that I couldn't resolve on my own. I never rely solely on Ancestry because of the poor quality of the transcriptions. They do however point me in what I hope is the right direction. > > Just my 2 cents for the debate. > > Jo-Anne > > >> From: venitar@mac.com >> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:25:07 -0600 >> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >> >> Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) >> >> Venita >> >> Family History and Other Fascinations >> venitap.com >> >>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Sharon <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>> >>> Well said Goldie >>> >>> I so agree that looking at the film is the best way to go. You get to know >>> the area and the people and begin to see links that would otherwise be >>> invisible looking at one page on SP. Don't get me wrong, I love SP (in fact >>> I must own half of it by now) but it does not provide the continuity of a >>> reel of film containing parish registers. Hatches, matches and dispatches >>> SP can't be surpassed, confirmation of what is on an Ancestry census >>> transcription (and boy have I found some rubbish here!) its excellent. >>> >>> Like Goldie a few free credits for "regulars" wouldn't go astray either!! :) >>> >>> Sharon >>> http://birsefolk.id.au/ >>> researching EMSLIE / GLASS / COUTTS / FRASER (in Elgin) / McLEAN (in Boharm) >>> special interest in Parish of BIRSE Aberdeenshire and the FOREST OF BIRSE >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti >>> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014 8:30 AM >>> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >>> >>> Yes, but hold the phone here........A film here in Canada (Kamloops) cost >>> about $7/8 to bring in from Salt Lake City. AND I can see the whole book >>> for the effort of going to a LDS FHCenter..make copies and notes. For me on >>> SP it costs about $12 for 30 credits, and IF you play your cards right, you >>> should be able to get 5 marriages or deaths...1 credit to look and 5 to see >>> it. BY far the advantage is the films. However you also need to realize >>> some of the films will have pages copied twice, some are missed; then use SP >>> as backup, if you really can't find the person from beginning to end and >>> think it might have got missed. Scotland has the right to the records, and >>> they have the right to the income they get from it. Bottom line is that >>> when you GO to Scotland you play by their rules not yours. It's like taking >>> a trip to Italy and saying you won't eat Italian food. It would be nice of >>> them, though, IF after you spent say $100 CAD they gave you a few free >>> credits as a regular customer. Like the stores in some places (ahem) do >>> when you spend a set amount. If you can get the films, do it; you can find >>> some hidden items like Mort Cloth rentals, others in the family who married >>> or had children; occasionally stories and sometimes even a death record or >>> even a missed Kirk Session record.......you are WAY further ahead with them. >>> >>> To suggest getting them on Ancestry opens up another can of >>> worms....Ancestry isn't free either, so remember that as well. The $400 or >>> so it costs goes a long way toward films and SP. >>> We need to be thinking 'outside of the box'. Goldie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Scotland's people, should have owned shared in it, but without them, I certainly would not have all my family inFormation with such great details without the credits and dollars spent. These are fabulous records with so much information. If you have a LDS church near you, you can order in micro fiches to have delivered to that particular church. We did this a few years ago, and it was quite reasonable. You just have to phone them and find out when they are open. Only open certain days and times, as it is run by volunteers. Judy Anderson, Many years a researcher. From South Surrey, B. C., Canada too, Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2014, at 7:20 PM, "Goldie & Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> wrote: > > And don't forget the on line freecen@rootsweb to see if you can find some of your folks on the 1841........not all are on line for the parishes, but if you snoop the first page you can find out what is and what is not on line. Again, I say........if you can get the film wherever you are, you are further ahead than picking up one at a time on SP. And again I say..........OUT LOUD.....those records belong to Scotland, and if you have to pay for them, that is YOUR choice. Nothing is free in life, most of you realize that......those are OLD PARISH RECORDS and the property of Scotland. Got IT? There is no FREE RIDE........Goldie (Canada, by the way) > -----Original Message----- From: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 5:42 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotland's People > > Alexander said > >> What we didn't mention is that the reason we aren't finding the children might be that they are recording in the rather sparse form... > > Don't forget that the pre-1855 OPRs are the records kept by the Session Clerks of the Parishes of the (Established) Church of Scotland and don't normally include non-conformists or RCs although it is not unknown. > > Also the OPRs, as well as marriages, primarily record baptisms and, only in some cases births. It is not unknown for baptisms to occur some time after the birth and may be for 'several' children in the family (when the Minister caught up with the parents). I have to confess to this as our youngest two were baptised at the same time despite being 18 months apart. > > Regards > Les > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What we didn't mention is that the reason we aren't finding the children might be that they are recording in the rather sparse form... Date. James Cassie had a lawful daughter Mary. Ie no mention of the mother. Sadly for many records in the old parish records the attitude was that the mother wasn't important enough for them to be bothered mentioning her. So not finding a Margaret Watt might mean this is why. In general you often find quite a sparse record like this in the OPR HOWEVER if you are lucky you often find the entries of the form... Date. James Cassie occupation in place name had a lawful daughter by his wife Margaret Watt baptised this day in front of witnesses John Cassie of place name and William Watt of other place name. It really entirely depends on the parish clerk at the time and how much he bothered writing. Regards Alexander Bisset Sent from my iPad Air Try my FREE Family Tree Analyzer program at http://FTAnalyzer.codeplex.com to investigate the data hidden in your research. > On 1 Apr 2014, at 00:49, Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > > Bobbie > > Everything Alexander said is dead right. To supplement his work, I also > splurged 1 credit to see if there were any records of the children. No luck > > I searched on Surname=Cassie [narrow metaphone], father=James and > years=1820-1835. There were 13 hits, [all surname=Cassie] but none of them > had Mary Watt as the mother. So it looks like the births weren't > registered. > > I'm not sure why the image of the marriage isn't available - possibly the > page was too faint to be filmed or was badly damaged by water or mice or > mould. However, most marriage entries will tell you nothing apart from the > names of the couple [and home parish if one is from elsewhere]. Knowing > the date of the marriage [or it may be the date of the first Banns being > read] for 1 credit is a bargain. > > Using Scotland's People is a voyage of discovery. If you ever get to a > point where you know other family members and they are well documented, > always get hit lists that are at or just under 25 entries. You may find > gems in the other entries for that surname, e.g. one of the names spelled > differently such as 'Isobel' instead of 'Isabella'. You may want to go up > to 50 or 75 by spreading the dates. That can give lots of family members, > if they all stayed local, for just an extra credit or two. > > If you do get any other problems or curiosities we are all keen to help so > keep trying. > > Best wishes > > Ray > > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > >> On 1 April 2014 00:05, Bobbie <bobbiev@bobbiev.net> wrote: >> >> I have been reading the posts regarding Scotland's People and have some >> questions. >> I am new to searching in Scotland and could use some hints from those >> who have >> gone before me. >> >> I have Margaret Watt who married James Cassey in Aberdeen between 1815 and >> 1826 approximately. They had three children born mid to late 18520s, >> Mary, Isabella >> and a son who died young. >> >> Any suggestions that anyone can give me so I do not spend too much on >> Scotland's >> People would be helpful. >> >> What kind of info can I expect/hope to find? I am looking for a >> marriage date, the >> birthdates of the chidren, etc. >> >> James supposedly came to the US ahead of the rest of the family, who came >> ca >> 1830-1835. James is said to have died before the ship arrived in the >> US. The son\ >> also is said to have died on the journey and both were buried at sea, >> according to >> family legend. >> >> Thanks, Bobbie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bobbie Everything Alexander said is dead right. To supplement his work, I also splurged 1 credit to see if there were any records of the children. No luck I searched on Surname=Cassie [narrow metaphone], father=James and years=1820-1835. There were 13 hits, [all surname=Cassie] but none of them had Mary Watt as the mother. So it looks like the births weren't registered. I'm not sure why the image of the marriage isn't available - possibly the page was too faint to be filmed or was badly damaged by water or mice or mould. However, most marriage entries will tell you nothing apart from the names of the couple [and home parish if one is from elsewhere]. Knowing the date of the marriage [or it may be the date of the first Banns being read] for 1 credit is a bargain. Using Scotland's People is a voyage of discovery. If you ever get to a point where you know other family members and they are well documented, always get hit lists that are at or just under 25 entries. You may find gems in the other entries for that surname, e.g. one of the names spelled differently such as 'Isobel' instead of 'Isabella'. You may want to go up to 50 or 75 by spreading the dates. That can give lots of family members, if they all stayed local, for just an extra credit or two. If you do get any other problems or curiosities we are all keen to help so keep trying. Best wishes Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 1 April 2014 00:05, Bobbie <bobbiev@bobbiev.net> wrote: > I have been reading the posts regarding Scotland's People and have some > questions. > I am new to searching in Scotland and could use some hints from those > who have > gone before me. > > I have Margaret Watt who married James Cassey in Aberdeen between 1815 and > 1826 approximately. They had three children born mid to late 18520s, > Mary, Isabella > and a son who died young. > > Any suggestions that anyone can give me so I do not spend too much on > Scotland's > People would be helpful. > > What kind of info can I expect/hope to find? I am looking for a > marriage date, the > birthdates of the chidren, etc. > > James supposedly came to the US ahead of the rest of the family, who came > ca > 1830-1835. James is said to have died before the ship arrived in the > US. The son\ > also is said to have died on the journey and both were buried at sea, > according to > family legend. > > Thanks, Bobbie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alexander said >What we didn't mention is that the reason we aren't finding the children might be that they are recording in the rather sparse form... Don't forget that the pre-1855 OPRs are the records kept by the Session Clerks of the Parishes of the (Established) Church of Scotland and don't normally include non-conformists or RCs although it is not unknown. Also the OPRs, as well as marriages, primarily record baptisms and, only in some cases births. It is not unknown for baptisms to occur some time after the birth and may be for 'several' children in the family (when the Minister caught up with the parents). I have to confess to this as our youngest two were baptised at the same time despite being 18 months apart. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Margaret To answer your question: The time to receive printed copies [or Extract copies as they call them], can be very variable. On the only occasion I ordered "extract" copies I seem to recall they took about three weeks to arrive. In which case 4 or 5 weeks to western Canada by surface mail may not be so huge a delay. Nonetheless, if I were you *I would use the Contact Us facility to enquire about the status of your orders.* The procedure for these copies is not totally simple. They firstly have to photocopy the actual entry on to thick cream paper. Then they impress the official stamp of the Records office into the paper. Finally they check it against your order and someone initials it. I guess this must be someone in authority - possibly an attorney - as it is now a legal document. None of these are time-consuming tasks in themselves, but no doubt there are repeated checks and balances in the process and they probably stay in a heap on various desks at the various stages. Re your latest email, we print out all the images we have downloaded. In general these should satisfy your relatives. But I bet they will love the copies you are getting for them, unless they are old OPR pages when you'll get the whole page in whatever quality it was filmed. If it is very poor quality you may have to ask SP to interpret it for you, which they seem to be very happy to do. HTH Ray Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net On 31 March 2014 23:49, <bethanyc@aebc.com> wrote: > This is a digression, but how long should it take > to receive copies of records mailed to the west > coast of Canada? (Hello, Goldie -- I'm in > Richmond, on the south side of Vancouver.) I paid > for six records on the 26th of February but have > not received them yet. Is that usual? I was going > to write Scotlands People and ask, but thought I > might be jumping the gun and didn't want to sound > pushy. > > As for getting microfilm from the LDS, I envy > researchers who can read that. I realize it's not > that common a condition, but I have an inherited > eye/brain glitch that means one look at microfilm > scrolling or flipping causes instant nausea and a > blinding headache. (Also from reading a Kindle, or > driving along a road with evenly spaced trees in > the late afternoon when the sun is low, or from -- > in the past -- people's showing of their vacation > slides, or steadily blinking Christmas tree > lights. A cousin was a pilot of fighter jets in > the Canadian air force, but was unable to learn to > fly a helicopter because the sunlight flashing > through the turning blades made him sick.) So it's > either computer research or paying for copies of > records by mail for me, as I'm unable to travel to > the source location. I hadn't heard of Find My > Past, but must take a look at it. I've had a > subscription to Ancestry for years and made much > use of it. And if anyone has ancestors who were in > the Gordon Highlanders, the researchers at their > museum are very helpful if one takes out a (very > inexpensive) membership to the Friends of the > Museum. I was extremely lucky in that my > grandfather's World War I records were among the > few that escaped destruction in WWII bombings, and > with his service number, the museum researchers > were able to find something I hadn't known -- that > he had been in the Gordons since 1912, which > explains why he was overseas so soon after war was > declared that he was caught up in the Retreat from > Mons. The family had always assumed he joined up > in 1914, and wondered how he got through basic > training so quickly. > > Margaret (Clerihew) Gibbs > > > > > On 31/03/2014 12:36 PM, Barbara wrote: > > And, the folks at SP, cannot say enough good things about them. > > They have been very considerate and cooperative on several issues I have > > had to refer in the past. A dedicated bunch of people for sure. My hat > > goes off to them for helping us folks across the pond. > > Not posting to disagree with anyone else's experience, only stating my > own. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yet it is still far cheaper than getting certificates with less information when you are lumbered with English ancestors and their bare indexes. This is typically why a very large number of tree with English ancestors have births to the nearest quarter as typically people don't want to pay the extra for a certificate. Especially since an English certificate contains very little data. As I have said four or five times now, I desperately want to see a subscription service as I have purchased just over 1500 images from Scotland's people (1506 to be precise). I would view a whole lot more if it was a subscription service but a credit system still doesn't put me off. I have 1/16 2g grandparents who is English the other 15/16 are from NE Scotland, the English line is far far more about finding them on a census as that is almost the only reliable source of data out there that you can view as images, although thankfully that's slowly changing but it's hit or miss depending on where your ancestors came from. After that you typically have to rely on films or visiting specific research centres or worse information from others. Whereas the depth and variety of Scottish records at Scotland's people with the wealth of info you get on each type of "certificate" means that almost everything can be done online from your own home, and it's only when you want to augment that info do you need to seek out other sources. I'd probably have given up years ago if I had mainly English ancestors and had to suffer the paucity of information that is available. Regards Alexander Bisset Sent from my iPad Air Try my FREE Family Tree Analyzer program at http://FTAnalyzer.codeplex.com to investigate the data hidden in your research. > On 31 Mar 2014, at 23:49, Doug Geddes <wdgeddes@rogers.com> wrote: > > You may be right Alexander, but Scotland's People is still way more > expensive than it needs to be. They seem to be praying on those > overseas who want to explore their Scotish heritage. I found that > often the data I was not looking for was not there but was to be > found elsewhere. > > Doug > > > > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:53:45 +0100 >> From: Alexander Bisset <ambisset@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] ScotlandsPeople >> To: "aberdeen@rootsweb.com" <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <E38FB0FA-4ABA-47AC-AF8F-C332E54AF61A@btinternet.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hi Venita >> >> Sorry but your maths is seriously flawed or you are getting a REALLY >> poor exchange rate. You don't say which of the various type of >> dollars you use but even if it's NZ dollars then 30 credits is >> $13.63 at today's exchange rate. Now assuming you count 1 credit for >> a search and 5 for an image that's still 5 searches and 5 images you >> get for less than $15. If you are in US, Canada, Australia then you >> get even more for your dollars as the exchange rate is better than I quoted. >> >> Ie most certainly not "about $15 US to look at one record." It's >> more than FIVE TIMES CHEAPER than that. Yes it mounts up and yes >> those of us with lots of Scottish records wish there was a >> subscription. However please don't post completely false impressions >> of the cost. It does the cause of promoting improving the access to >> Scottish records no favours if you wildly over estimate the costs. >> >> Regards >> Alexander Bisset > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Normally Margaret you get them instantly as you click "view" rather than the dramatically more expensive and slower option of "order". Really there is only one reason you would ever order a certificate and that is if you need it for legal proof of some sort. Otherwise you should save your cash and click view instead of order. Not only is it cheaper you get to see the image immediately and can save it to your computer and/or print it out. Regards Alexander Bisset Sent from my iPad Air Try my FREE Family Tree Analyzer program at http://FTAnalyzer.codeplex.com to investigate the data hidden in your research. > On 31 Mar 2014, at 23:49, bethanyc@aebc.com wrote: > > This is a digression, but how long should it take > to receive copies of records mailed to the west > coast of Canada? (Hello, Goldie -- I'm in > Richmond, on the south side of Vancouver.) I paid > for six records on the 26th of February but have > not received them yet. Is that usual? I was going > to write Scotlands People and ask, but thought I > might be jumping the gun and didn't want to sound > pushy. > > As for getting microfilm from the LDS, I envy > researchers who can read that. I realize it's not > that common a condition, but I have an inherited > eye/brain glitch that means one look at microfilm > scrolling or flipping causes instant nausea and a > blinding headache. (Also from reading a Kindle, or > driving along a road with evenly spaced trees in > the late afternoon when the sun is low, or from -- > in the past -- people's showing of their vacation > slides, or steadily blinking Christmas tree > lights. A cousin was a pilot of fighter jets in > the Canadian air force, but was unable to learn to > fly a helicopter because the sunlight flashing > through the turning blades made him sick.) So it's > either computer research or paying for copies of > records by mail for me, as I'm unable to travel to > the source location. I hadn't heard of Find My > Past, but must take a look at it. I've had a > subscription to Ancestry for years and made much > use of it. And if anyone has ancestors who were in > the Gordon Highlanders, the researchers at their > museum are very helpful if one takes out a (very > inexpensive) membership to the Friends of the > Museum. I was extremely lucky in that my > grandfather's World War I records were among the > few that escaped destruction in WWII bombings, and > with his service number, the museum researchers > were able to find something I hadn't known -- that > he had been in the Gordons since 1912, which > explains why he was overseas so soon after war was > declared that he was caught up in the Retreat from > Mons. The family had always assumed he joined up > in 1914, and wondered how he got through basic > training so quickly. > > Margaret (Clerihew) Gibbs > > > > >> On 31/03/2014 12:36 PM, Barbara wrote: >> And, the folks at SP, cannot say enough good things about them. >> They have been very considerate and cooperative on several issues I have >> had to refer in the past. A dedicated bunch of people for sure. My hat >> goes off to them for helping us folks across the pond. >> Not posting to disagree with anyone else's experience, only stating my own. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doing an OPR search for marriages on Scotlands People. Enter the following : Surname : Cassey - select "Narrow Metaphone" for the search options as it could be Cassie, Casey etc ie: Narrow Metaphone gives very good sounds like matching without going overboard its a whole lot better than the old fashioned soundex. I always avoid using Exact match as it is needlessly restrictive. Forename : James Under spouse's name : Watt Now click search - you get 1 result. Don't view yet. Now enter the years to narrow it down, click search again - still 1 result. You just saved yourself 1 credit from searching for a record out with your year range. You can keep going narrowing it down if you wish. Once you click view you spend a single credit and get... 116/08/1826CASEYJAMESMARGARET/WATT FRMR7-41NO.188MNORTH CHURCH ABERDEENABERDEEN CITY CITY/ABERDEEN168/0N 0420 0000No Image So it looks like they married on the 16th August 1826 at the North Church in Aberdeen. Unfortunately there is no image to view so that's as much info as you can get. The FRMR (frame) reference would tell you where on the Film it was if you were to check the Aberdeen OPR marriage microfilms. Yes I spent a single credit but as its just 23p who cares if it helps you. Doing a search for children would be similar although personally I'd try that on FamilySearch.org first and just enter the parents names. but unfortunately doing that gives no results so entering the names on Scotlands People I entered: Surname : Casey (again narrow metaphone) Forename : left blank Parent name : I entered James in one box and Margaret in another. That gave 22 matches. I narrowed down the years to 1815 and that gave 15 matches. Changing Margaret to "Watt" gave no matches. Removing James and leaving watt gave 2 matches. Spending the one credit may or may not give useful info. It would be a similar form to above. ie: line number, full date, name, gender, parish, reference number, link to view image. Hope this helps. Regards,Alexander > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:05:08 -0500 > From: bobbiev@bobbiev.net > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Scotland's People > > I have been reading the posts regarding Scotland's People and have some > questions. > I am new to searching in Scotland and could use some hints from those > who have > gone before me. > > I have Margaret Watt who married James Cassey in Aberdeen between 1815 and > 1826 approximately. They had three children born mid to late 18520s, > Mary, Isabella > and a son who died young. > > Any suggestions that anyone can give me so I do not spend too much on > Scotland's > People would be helpful. > > What kind of info can I expect/hope to find? I am looking for a > marriage date, the > birthdates of the chidren, etc. > > James supposedly came to the US ahead of the rest of the family, who came ca > 1830-1835. James is said to have died before the ship arrived in the > US. The son\ > also is said to have died on the journey and both were buried at sea, > according to > family legend. > > Thanks, Bobbie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While we are about it. Find my Past is now owned by Brightsolid who are partners in the Scotlands People website. There is however no link in the working of the 2 sites, although there are links on Find my Past to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Wherever we are in the world, those who are furthest away always get the feeling that they are disadvantaged in some way. It is the way it goes. Janet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Venita" <venitar@mac.com> Well said, Goldie and Sharon! At the current price for credits, and number of credits paid per image, it would cost me about $15 US to look at one record. That’s fine, if I know for sure that is the record I want, and I’m not looking for parents or siblings of the individual in question, or for additional life events. For about $150 US per year, I can look at as many digital images as I choose on FindMyPast. I can do real research on FindMyPast, but not on ScotlandsPeople. It think it’s time for them to stop shooting themselves in the foot! I’m for spending my money wisely - must be the Scottish in me . ;-) Venita Family History and Other Fascinations venitap.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

The Ordnance Survey placename books of the 19th C (1865 - 71) refer to the remains of Frendraught Castle, which was burnt in 1630. A separate entry follows for Frendraught House, which is described as the "Mansion house of the Estate of Frendraught". A digital copy of the original can be viewed at http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/aberdeenshire-os-name-books-1865-1871/aberdeenshire-volume-31on pages 54 - 55. However, those who aren't volunteer transcribers must subscribe in order to access this material. Alison On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Gilbert Murray <happyman70@cableone.net>wrote: > Thank you, Ray, Frendraught it is. Another example of the difficulties > clerks faced in copying original handwriting, and then copying the copy > into > another record, doubling the chance of mistakes. So there was a castle > there! I wonder if it was rebuilt and if the Alexanders lived there, or if > it had been reduced to a farm by the end of the 18th century. George > Alexander left quite a lot of money - many of the merchants who went to the > Mosquito Shore and Belize became wealthy - sadly, on the backs on their > slaves. But businessmen in England were paying their workers pennies - > poverty was endemic - the Iron Law of Wages was very much in force. From > everything I've read, I would much rather have been a slave in Belize than > a > pauper in Great Britain! > > Thanks again, > Sonia > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ray Hennessy > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:59 PM > To: Aberdeen List > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Anderson, Lesly - Can anyone identify Froucharucht? > > On 29 March 2014 23:06, B&A Smith <brian.alison.smith@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Frendraught in Forgue > > > > Alison > > ================================= > > Gilbert > > I agree with Alison. If you look again at the original you may find that > "Frouchaught " is actually much closer to Frendraught. The letters: "ouch" > in manuscript are easily mistaken for "endr". Equally "Fergy" is very > close > to "Forgue" in manuscript, even allowing for idiosyncratic spelling. > > You might be interested that one of Sheena's MELDRUM ancestors was executed > for setting fire to Frendraught castle in the early 17thC although he > insisted he had been about 10 miles away at the time. The story is on the > internet in a number of different variations. > > Ray Hennessy > www.whatsinaname.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >