I dont know why this post - see below - only went to Gavin when I thought it was going to the List. I saw a similar occurrence, apparently on another List. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@clara.co.uk> To: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-BANFFSHIRE] strange baptism > I've got what one might call an odd record. Four children born between 1803 and 1808 > who were apparently baptised separately but the birth and baptism record was dated 1814. > In this particular case the first child was born Banff, the second, Edinburgh, the third > and fourth children at Chelmsford. Father John SIMPSON Captain, Inverness-shire Militia > which explains it all but it demonstrates the necessity for purchasing a record because > one might find 4 children on the same page. I thought I was just purchasing the OPR for > my third great grandmother. > I have to say however, that IGI got all of the dates correct. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> >> >> So while I cannot prove it, I suspect that the Rev. Fordyce may have >> been a Minister in one or other of the non-Kirk of Scotland >> denominations, to which the family adhered. The delay in baptising the >> infant may be down to the fact that, at the time of its birth, there was >> not a Minister to the family's taste in the area, and they had to wait >> until one pitched up in the parish (or wherever they found him). >> Finally, some time between 1841 and 1848-9, the family abandoned its >> allegiance to whatever church this was, re-joined the Kirk of Scotland, >> and belatedly registered Joseph. >> >> >> Gavin Bell >

That's OK. I offered it in case it was a help to anyone. Its not a major line in my records. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Keith Abel" <kabel@kingston.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Cobbon/Cobban of Keig, Lumphanan, Tough and Alford. > Janet > > I regret that I do not have records of any of the Cobbans you list. > > M Keith Abel:

As a point of interest I have found a death from smallpox in 1872. The death entry I have is in Forfarshire, but I dont suppose it was confined to that area. Maybe someone knows more. Janet

Hello Alison, What is the full title of the "Gale" website as I cannot seem to access it. Many thanks. Florence. 2009/10/14 ALISON KENNEDY <alison2kennedy@btinternet.com> > Goldie > > For your information Roderick Gray Esq. was a solicitor in the town who, > amongst various other posts, also held the office of Provost and Chief > Magistrate of Peterhead. He was born 1788 and died 1858 the son of John > Gray & Mary Gray from the Parish of Daviot. If you want to know more about > him his obituary can be found in the Aberdeen Journal, dated February 10, > 1858, which can be accessed through the Gale website. > > Alison > > > > ________________________________ > > From: goldie and Lido Doratti > To: ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 3:41:54 > Subject: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD > > > With thanks, Goldie > > > I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something > I wondered if any Listers could help with? > After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: > "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) > Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the > East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , > After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, > Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? > Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there? I want to be sure of > this, not guess at it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for this, and I did notice mention of some of the baptisms of his children that he is a 'solicitor'. I'm chasing Walkers, and these names came up with regards to their children. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALISON KENNEDY" <alison2kennedy@btinternet.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD Goldie For your information Roderick Gray Esq. was a solicitor in the town who, amongst various other posts, also held the office of Provost and Chief Magistrate of Peterhead. He was born 1788 and died 1858 the son of John Gray & Mary Gray from the Parish of Daviot. If you want to know more about him his obituary can be found in the Aberdeen Journal, dated February 10, 1858, which can be accessed through the Gale website. Alison ________________________________ From: goldie and Lido Doratti To: ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 3:41:54 Subject: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD With thanks, Goldie I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something I wondered if any Listers could help with? After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there? I want to be sure of this, not guess at it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: >... >After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: > "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) >Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" ... > > The "Aberdeen Almanach" for 1843 gives brief information on the major towns in Aberdeenshire, and for Peterhead, "Places of Worship", with their Ministers, are listed as: Establishment: William Donald and J. Yuille [this is the Kirk of Scotland, which then had two congregations] United Associate: R. Campbell Scotch Episcopal: Charles Cole Congregational: [blank - presumably they were between Ministers] The equivalent volume for 1860 lists: Establishment: James Mitchell [only one congregation - but see below] Scotch Episcopal: Gilbert Rorison Free Church: J. Yuill [slight variation in spelling, but this is presumably the same man who had the "second charge" in 1843, and who must have "come out" at The Disruption] United Presbyterian: James Frame Congregational: R. H. Smith Methodist: N. F. S. Peet Roman Catholic: [blank] Congregational (not in the Union): 'various' [which suggests that the Congregationalists had their own "Disruption" at some point] Reference to the intervening volumes (a set of which is held by the Aberdeen Public Library) would help establish the dates at which the various congregations came into being or split off from each other. Gavin Bell

Goldie For your information Roderick Gray Esq. was a solicitor in the town who, amongst various other posts, also held the office of Provost and Chief Magistrate of Peterhead.  He was born 1788 and died 1858 the son of John Gray & Mary Gray from the Parish of Daviot.  If you want to know more about him his obituary can be found in the Aberdeen Journal, dated February 10, 1858, which can be accessed through the Gale website. Alison   ________________________________ From: goldie and Lido Doratti To: ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 3:41:54 Subject: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD With thanks, Goldie   I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something I wondered if any Listers could help with? After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: "before F.C.C."  (Free Congregational Church?) Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church"  and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there?  I want to be sure of this, not guess at it.

goldie and Lido Doratti wrote: >I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something I wondered if any Listers could help with? >After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: > "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) >Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , > > This is precisely what it seems to be. These entries in the Register are recording baptisms made in other churches. This is not a very common sight in the OPRs, but does crop up, from time to time, and not just in Peterhead. The Kirk of Scotland was at that date considered "the Established Church", ie it belonged to the fabric of the nation, and in theory all baptisms and marriages, of whatever denomination, were meant to be reported for inclusion in the Registers. Gavin Bell

Janet I regret that I do not have records of any of the Cobbans you list. M Keith Abel: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@clara.co.uk> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] Cobbon/Cobban of Keig, Lumphanan, Tough and Alford. >I have a George F COBBAN b 5 May 1848 who died in 1936 and his parents were >William COBBAN and Susan STRACHAN > > William COBBAN married on 3 June 1880 to Ellen or Helen Alexander BIRSE b > 16 September 1853 > > Janet > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Florence Web Address:  www.gale.cengage.com/ Unfortunately access is to this website is limited but you may be able to get into it through your local library, or if you are a student, through your university or college. Alison ________________________________ From: Florence Morrison To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 11:29:39 Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD Hello Alison, What is the full title of the "Gale" website as I cannot seem to access it. Many thanks. Florence. 2009/10/14 ALISON KENNEDY > Goldie > > For your information Roderick Gray Esq. was a solicitor in the town who, > amongst various other posts, also held the office of Provost and Chief > Magistrate of Peterhead.  He was born 1788 and died 1858 the son of John > Gray & Mary Gray from the Parish of Daviot.  If you want to know more about > him his obituary can be found in the Aberdeen Journal, dated February 10, > 1858, which can be accessed through the Gale website. > > Alison > _________________________ > > From: goldie and Lido Doratti > To: ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009 3:41:54 > Subject: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD > > > I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something > I wondered if any Listers could help with? > After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: > "before F.C.C."  (Free Congregational Church?) > Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the > East Church"  and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , > After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, > Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? > Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there?  I want to be sure of > this, not guess at it. > > > With thanks, Goldie >

I have always seen RN as Royal Navy. Most of my husband's WEST family were connected with the Royal Navy. Judy Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "goldie and Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> To: <ABERDEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] OPR's for Peterhead ABD I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something I wondered if any Listers could help with? After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there? I want to be sure of this, not guess at it. With thanks, Goldie

I'm going thru the film #0993354 on Peterhead ABD and ran across something I wondered if any Listers could help with? After a baptism 1849 I find this after the record: "before F.C.C." (Free Congregational Church?) Other records for bapisms also have (1842) "Before the congregation of the East Church" and (1840)"before the Congregational Church" , After another one and the name of a witness I found "before Roderick Gray, Esq, & A. Gordon R.N.".........Royal Navy? Anyone with hands on the Peterhead OPR's out there? I want to be sure of this, not guess at it. With thanks, Goldie

Hi Fred, Thanks for the advice regarding the rootsweb message boards and I'm not sure why my message went to Glen - I thought I was sending it to the aberdeen list so sorry for the confusion! Cheers, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred H Held" <fhheld@netzero.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; "Brad and Jen" <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: Re: recording a name > Jen, > > As Glen indicated, I made no statement about the message boards. My > comment was only about WorldConnect. > > However, there is still a free subscription to the message boards for > purposes of establishing a profile. The message board submitter > information does show, if the submitter desires to be known. Otherwise, a > subscription to Ancestry.com is required to use their forwarding service. > That said, my experience with message boards indicates that they, on the > average, are more frequently used by the less experienced, who are often > leery of letting their personal information be seen. > > I hardily endorse the free profile concept, because it allows you to find > all the places where your email is subscribed in the RootsWeb systems. It > also allows the updating of your email address when changed. > > BTW: It is strange you directed a message to me, but sent it to Glen.

I have a George F COBBAN b 5 May 1848 who died in 1936 and his parents were William COBBAN and Susan STRACHAN William COBBAN married on 3 June 1880 to Ellen or Helen Alexander BIRSE b 16 September 1853 Janet

Florence Morrison wrote: >Hi > >I am new to the list, mainly researching Cobbon/Cobban of Keig, Lumphanan, >Tough and Alford. > >Can someone please advise me if it is possible to obtain Monumental >Inscriptions and/or Burial records for the parishes of Keig, Lumphanan, >Tough and Alford. > > You can check the availability of OPR death records, burial records and MIs (both published and unpublished) for these and all other parishes in the Counties of Aberdeenshire, Banffshire, Kincardine and Moray at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/ You can check an index of names and dates recorded in the MIs published by Aberdeen and Northeast Scotland FHS (and *some, not all* of the unpublished transcriptions held by the society) at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/ >Are such available on CD or in booklet form? > > The MIs published by ANESFHS (www.anesfhs.org.uk) come in the form of A5 booklets, each of which contains, for one or more burial grounds: (1) a map showing the location of the burial ground(s), (2) a numbered plan showing the location of each stone, (3) a transcription of every readable stone and (4) a surname index to the inscriptions. >Or is there a kind person on this list who does lookups? > > We strongly discourage this, because: (a) the great majority of the published MIs cost will less than £3 per item (including UK postage). (b) while no member of ANESFHS receives a penny piece from the price of the MI booklets, the Society does have to pay rent, rates, electricity and gas. Income from sales of MI booklets goes towards paying for these. (c) the Online Index gives you the chance to check before you buy to see if any of your ancestors might be included (d) The published MIs are protected by copyright >Incidentally, I am happy to do Urquhart and Glenmoriston parish lookups. > > I note that Highland FHS specify, with regard to their publications: "Material may not be copied, reproduced, republished, downloaded, posted, broadcast or transmitted in any way except for your own personal non-commercial home use" ... Your offer was no doubt intended kindly, but perhaps you should reflect as to how fair that would be to Highland FHS. Gavin Bell MI Index Co-ordinator ANESFHS

Hi I am new to the list, mainly researching Cobbon/Cobban of Keig, Lumphanan, Tough and Alford. Can someone please advise me if it is possible to obtain Monumental Inscriptions and/or Burial records for the parishes of Keig, Lumphanan, Tough and Alford. Are such available on CD or in booklet form? Or is there a kind person on this list who does lookups? Incidentally, I am happy to do Urquhart and Glenmoriston parish lookups. Kind regards Florence Glen Urquhart, Inverness-shire

I have an Alexander Kemp who married Mary Archibald(my ancestor) June 20 1868 in Kennethmont. In the 1881 Canadian Census they are living in Petrolia, Ontario with 3 children born in Scotland and 2 in Ontario. I don't have too much more data that that but if you want to contact me at glass58@shaw.ca perhaps we both can exchange data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <dwilson36@cogeco.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] MILNE, KEMP, DUNCAN, DONALD > ANN DONALD born 1854, died 1933 in Aberdeen, mother Ann Duncan father John > Donald. ANN DUNCAN was previously married to John Kemp, they had one known > child ALEXANDER KEMP b. 1841 in Kinnithmout, ABDN. died Ontario 1908. > Any info would be most welcome > > Don Wilson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jen, As Glen indicated, I made no statement about the message boards. My comment was only about WorldConnect. However, there is still a free subscription to the message boards for purposes of establishing a profile. The message board submitter information does show, if the submitter desires to be known. Otherwise, a subscription to Ancestry.com is required to use their forwarding service. That said, my experience with message boards indicates that they, on the average, are more frequently used by the less experienced, who are often leery of letting their personal information be seen. I hardily endorse the free profile concept, because it allows you to find all the places where your email is subscribed in the RootsWeb systems. It also allows the updating of your email address when changed. BTW: It is strange you directed a message to me, but sent it to Glen. At 02:01 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >From: "Brad and Jen" <bradandjen@iinet.net.au> >Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] recording a name >To: <glen@glenbodie.com>, <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > >Hi Fred, > >I joined rootsweb long before ancestory took over yet I have to >subscribe to ancestory just to look at the email addresses on the >message boards now, even my own! I've also noticed that ancestory >has removed all email address from posts on the message boards >before they took over. > >You say it is totally free of charges so maybe you can help me >figure a way to contact others without paying this subscription fee? > >Thanks, >Jen. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:46:13 -0500 > > From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> > > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] recording a name > > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com, "ann zeman" <annzeman@msn.com> > > > > I teach a seminar on "Managing your Family Records on the Internet". > > In the seminar I encourage the use of RootsWeb WorldConnect. > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Although it is supported by > > Ancestry.com, it is totally free and free of any additional charges. ____________________________________________________________ Free Copier Price Quotes Get free copier price quotes from multiple dealers and save! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=BQpre3NfWgwP16Yzgn7-jgAAJ1HRPJtV0UPWIFV2n9W87NGdAAQAAAAFAAAAAPLSTT4AAAMlAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABIVZAAAAAA=

Dear Florance: I have Elizabeth Cobbon 1802-1829. Her memorial stone reads: "In memory of Elizabeth Cobbon, who died June 28th 1829, aged 27, spouse of John Gordon late merchant Auchleven and daughter of John Cobbon in Leys of Leslie. This memorial is erected as a token of the respect by her brother-in-law also her mother Isabel Ironside who died Jan 30th 1836 aged 63." Elizabeth is my first cousin, 4 generations removed. I have a Francie Cobban born 15 Mar 1801, who is Elizabeth's older sister. I do not have a Francis 1808-1888. They have a brother William, born 4 May 1813, sixth in a family of seven. My files include two more Williams but none with the dates 1812-1890. The above family of John Cobban and Isabel Ironside resided in Keig. Perhaps we should exchange information via Gedcom since it would appear that we are cousins. M Keith Abel Kingston, Ontario, Canada Elizabeth Gabriel to Florence Morrison wrote October 12th 2009: > Hi Florence > > You can indeed get excellent MI booklets from the Aberdeen and North East > Scotland FHS (_www.anesfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.anesfhs.org.uk) ) for > Keig, > Tough and Alford. > > I have several Cobbans buried in Keigh Old kirkyard - Francis 1808 - > 1888; > William 1812 - 1890 and Elizabeth 1802 - 1829. Any matches with yours? > > Regards > > Elizabeth Gabriel

Hi Fred, I joined rootsweb long before ancestory took over yet I have to subscribe to ancestory just to look at the email addresses on the message boards now, even my own! I've also noticed that ancestory has removed all email address from posts on the message boards before they took over. You say it is totally free of charges so maybe you can help me figure a way to contact others without paying this subscription fee? Thanks, Jen. > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:46:13 -0500 > From: Fred H Held <fhheld@netzero.net> > Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] recording a name > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com, "ann zeman" <annzeman@msn.com> > > I teach a seminar on "Managing your Family Records on the Internet". > In the seminar I encourage the use of RootsWeb WorldConnect. > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Although it is supported by > Ancestry.com, it is totally free and free of any additional charges.