----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Wilson" <dwilson36@cogeco.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Kennethmont > I'd appreciated a little help with place name Kennethmont. I've come > across various spelling, this is the modern one on the map of > Aberdeenshire Hi Don, You may be interested in having a look at this web site --- www.kinnethmont.co.uk

I'd appreciated a little help with place name Kennethmont. I've come across various spelling, this is the modern one on the map of Aberdeenshire Don Wilson

Thank you to everyone for their input. It was a question asked because I genuinely didn't know what the correct term is - but now I do! And, of course, being the pedant that I am, I need to know what is correct! Many thanks Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Jameson-Krampp Sent: 16 October 2009 20:59 To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? What a joy it is to read the postings and see the back and forth as people scattered across continents do their best to answer others' questions.  It always proves to be interesting And then steps in Mr Gavin Bell with the definitive answer! Thank you Gavin for census. I have saved my Latin texts from eons ago and must agree that the plural of census is census.  As a former broadcast journalist and television news presenter however, I would be inclined to pluralise census as censuses for an English speaking audience. By the way, the translation of censi is the poorest class of Roman citizens. With best wishes from Sunnidale, Ontario, Canada. Lee Jameson   ________________________________ From: Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 3:18:46 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? Janet wrote: >The Latin is censere. >  > That is not the plural of *any* Latin Declension I ever heard of. And it isn't "censi", either. Latin has 5 different patterns (or "declensions") for the variant forms of nouns, and there are two which, in the nominative singular, end with "-us".  The better-known is the Second Declension;  this gives us "dominus" (= master), which in the nominative plural,  becomes "domini". But there is also the Fourth Declension, common examples of which are "domus" (=house) and "manus" (=hand).  The nominative plurals of these are ... "domus" and "manus".  And (yes, you've guessed it!) "census" belongs to the Fourth Declension.  So the Latin plural of "census" is "census".  What you choose to use as the plural of the English word is a different question, although I can see no reason to object to "censuses". You can check the latin at:     http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~econrad/lang/ln4.html Gavin Bell

2009/10/17 Jeannette T Walton <jtwalton13@comcast.net> wrote re the Plural of Census thread > I'm a new subscriber to this list.  Is this the type of discussions that go on?  Is this genealogy? _____________________________________________ Hi Jeannette A good point but don't despair. This sort of debate only happens once or twice a year when people, often frustrated by their genealogical brick-walls, feel the need to let of a bit of steam. Welcome to the List. If you post your thoughts and queries about your own genealogical researches to the List I'm sure you will get useful and well-researched help and/or advice. As you can tell from the Census "discourse", there are some very knowledgeable folk out there who will give their time to helping you to unravel all sorts of knotty problems. Try it. You'll be surprised and probably delighted. -- Best wishes and good luck Ray ********************************************************** >From                                       Ray Hennessy Forenames website:                 www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address:         ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at   http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP Please put Surnames in CAPITAL letters & include dates **********************************************************

Hi Are you sure that its not Aberdeen, Mississippi that he was born? According to the 1900 US Census he was born in Feb 1870 in Mississippi and both his parents were born in Alabama. Also in the household is Augusta born May 1878 in Mississippi and an Aunt Charlotte Parker born Oct 1839 in Mississippi Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chernaik" <dchernaik@lineone.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [ABERDEEN] relative search > Hello everyone. I'm new to the list. I have just found out that my > father's grandfather, who abandoned his wife and three small girls in > around 1915, and so was never spoken of again in the family, was born > in Aberdeen. I was wondering if anyone could help me find out more > about him and his family? > > He was William B. Parker, apparently born in Aberdeen in 1869 or 1870 > (probably 1869) > Father William T. Parker > Mother Mattie Beazley > Married in New Orleans to my great-grandmother Augusta Lowenstein in > 1900. > > I assume he remained in America, but don't know whether his parents > stayed behind in Scotland. > > I know it is a long shot, but any help greatly appreciated, including > advice on where to look. > > Many thanks > > David Chernaik, London > On 16 Oct 2009, at 22:12, J T Walton wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I've just found Andrew Latto in the 1841 Census at Woolman Hill, >> Aberdeen West #168A. He is listed as an "overseer", and after him is >> a list of about 30 various ages and surnames. >> >> Can anyone tell me the history of this hospital? Would there have >> been a reason for this Andrew Latto to emigrate to America with about >> 14 children? (family story) >> >> Any clues would be most appreciated. >> >> Many thanks, >> Jeannette >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Try this: http://www.censusfinder.com/ Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chernaik" <dchernaik@lineone.net> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] relative search > Hi Andy, > > Very interesting - my grandmother's birth certificate has his > birthplace as Aberdeen (no country), while the marriage certificate > says he is a native of Scotland. Where can I see the 1900 Census > record? > > Thanks > > David

Hi Andy, Very interesting - my grandmother's birth certificate has his birthplace as Aberdeen (no country), while the marriage certificate says he is a native of Scotland. Where can I see the 1900 Census record? Thanks David On 17 Oct 2009, at 10:29, Andy Candlish wrote: > Hi > > Are you sure that its not Aberdeen, Mississippi that he was born? > According > to the 1900 US Census he was born in Feb 1870 in Mississippi and both > his > parents were born in Alabama. Also in the household is Augusta born > May 1878 > in Mississippi and an Aunt Charlotte Parker born Oct 1839 in > Mississippi > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Chernaik" <dchernaik@lineone.net> > To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:50 PM > Subject: [ABERDEEN] relative search > > >> Hello everyone. I'm new to the list. I have just found out that my >> father's grandfather, who abandoned his wife and three small girls in >> around 1915, and so was never spoken of again in the family, was born >> in Aberdeen. I was wondering if anyone could help me find out more >> about him and his family? >> >> He was William B. Parker, apparently born in Aberdeen in 1869 or 1870 >> (probably 1869) >> Father William T. Parker >> Mother Mattie Beazley >> Married in New Orleans to my great-grandmother Augusta Lowenstein in >> 1900. >> >> I assume he remained in America, but don't know whether his parents >> stayed behind in Scotland. >> >> I know it is a long shot, but any help greatly appreciated, including >> advice on where to look. >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Chernaik, London >> On 16 Oct 2009, at 22:12, J T Walton wrote: >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I've just found Andrew Latto in the 1841 Census at Woolman Hill, >>> Aberdeen West #168A. He is listed as an "overseer", and after him is >>> a list of about 30 various ages and surnames. >>> >>> Can anyone tell me the history of this hospital? Would there >>> have >>> been a reason for this Andrew Latto to emigrate to America with about >>> 14 children? (family story) >>> >>> Any clues would be most appreciated. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Jeannette >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was very interested in Gavin's information about the Aberdeen Royal Infirmary as they were, to my surprise, named in the will of my husband's g g grandfather, William Simpson, as being his landlord for his farm in Auchtylair in the parish of Old Deer. I had assumed that he had owned the farm which had 80 plus acre of arable and not leased it, and did not know that the Infirmary held land so far away from Aberdeen. William died in February 1879 shortly after writing his will. He left the farm to his fifth and youngest son, John, who was farming there in the 1891 census but by 1901 had quit and was living in Peterhead as a mason, worker. They were names in the will as " President and Managers of the Infirmary of Aberdeen. It was interesting - although I am sure coincidental - that the architect was another Simpson! Mary Simpson

The 2 marriage listings indicate to me that the banns were read in both parishes. Which further indicate that she was from one parish and he from the other. Just guessing I would say the earliest one would be hers. You need to see the OPR and that likely will tell you which; but failing that, search both parishes for them seperately. You should be able to work it out from that. Also the 1841 census will add some info and the 1851 should also be the bigest help. Scotland's People can also help you out. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Laura Bozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] Penny questions > Hi, Everyone, > > It has been a while since I was on list due to family health issues. But > I am happy to now be back! > > I have picked up where I left off working on my Penny family information. > > Can someone on the list tell me who the parents were for John Penny who > married Christian Catto 9 April 1820 in Tyrie or was it 16 April 1820 in > Fraserburg? They had two separate listings in the LDS files. One under > M111964 and one under M112335, They had 6 Children I know about. > > Another puzzle for me are the parents of Mary Trail who married John Penny > 18 May, 1845 Rathen. > I have several sources who indicate it was James Trail and Elizabeth > Anderson but I also have sources pointing to James Trail and Elizabeth > Burnett. > > For Trail Anderson her birth info would be 3 Jun 1826 Auchtydore, Longside > and Christening was from LDS C112355:25 JUN 1826 Rathen, Aberdeen, > Scotland > > > LDS shows Trail Anderson connection on CD 131. > > The date of birth in LDS for the Trail Burnett version is 23 Apr 1821 > Rathen or 20 May 1821 Rathen for Christening. C112355 also > > I suspect these are cousins in some way but would like to figure out which > of the Mary's is actually married to John Penny. > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Laura > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone. I'm new to the list. I have just found out that my father's grandfather, who abandoned his wife and three small girls in around 1915, and so was never spoken of again in the family, was born in Aberdeen. I was wondering if anyone could help me find out more about him and his family? He was William B. Parker, apparently born in Aberdeen in 1869 or 1870 (probably 1869) Father William T. Parker Mother Mattie Beazley Married in New Orleans to my great-grandmother Augusta Lowenstein in 1900. I assume he remained in America, but don't know whether his parents stayed behind in Scotland. I know it is a long shot, but any help greatly appreciated, including advice on where to look. Many thanks David Chernaik, London On 16 Oct 2009, at 22:12, J T Walton wrote: > Hi list, > > I've just found Andrew Latto in the 1841 Census at Woolman Hill, > Aberdeen West #168A. He is listed as an "overseer", and after him is > a list of about 30 various ages and surnames. > > Can anyone tell me the history of this hospital? Would there have > been a reason for this Andrew Latto to emigrate to America with about > 14 children? (family story) > > Any clues would be most appreciated. > > Many thanks, > Jeannette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would echo jeannette's sentiments re this discussion. Shirley ------Original Message------ From: J T Walton Sender: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:25 AM I'm a new subscriber to this list. Is this the type of discussions that go on? Is this genealogy? Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: <SangsterC@aol.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? > People, people..... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

J T Walton wrote: >Hi list, > > I've just found Andrew Latto in the 1841 Census at Woolman Hill, Aberdeen West #168A. He is listed as an "overseer", and after him is a list of about 30 various ages and surnames. > > Can anyone tell me the history of this hospital? > This was the first "Aberdeen Royal Infirmary". The building (which is still standing) was designed by one of Aberdeen's foremost architects, Archibald Simpson and built 1832-38. I think an "Infirmary" had existed from an earlier date, but as an organisation, rather than as a building. It served much of Northeast Scotland, not just the town/city of Aberdeen. Grampian Health Board, who are the descendants of the 19th century "Infirmary" have an Archivist, based at the Woolmanhill site. I cannot for the moment lay my hands on her contact details, but if you find the Health Board site, you can probably find it. >Would there have been a reason for this Andrew Latto to emigrate to America with about 14 children? > I could imagine the 14 children might be a sufficient reason! Gavin Bell

The remark was not addressed to you by name. You didn't start the thread. It was a statement of my preference to which I think I am entitled. Since no offence was intended I suggest we move on. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Smith" <i_am_distracted@sympatico.ca> > Janet wrote: >> I did preface my remark with an apology which was heartfelt. Take is a freedom of >> speech. >> >> Janet >> > A slap in the face prefaced by an apology is still a slap in the face. > > David

I did preface my remark with an apology which was heartfelt. Take is a freedom of speech. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Smith" <i_am_distracted@sympatico.ca> > Janet wrote: >> I said nothing about plural. With apologies to our American cousins, but I would >> have >> preferred you offered another authority. >> >> Janet > > I'm not sure what the problem is with citing an Ohio State source as an > authority. It is, after all, a respected institution. If I were an > American I might feel slighted but my skin's thicker than that in any > case. Perhaps the following source would meet with your approval, Janet. > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/advanced/popup/grammar-table.htm > It appears to affirm what Gavin said. > > Cura ut valeas, > > David Smith

Janet wrote: >I said nothing about plural. > If it wasn't offered as an answer to the question about the plural of "census", what was it then? >With apologies to our American cousins, but I would have >preferred you offered another authority. > > I'm sure if you Google you will find one to your taste. Gavin Bell

Just wanted to let you know that I got a response from a Penny researcher I have worked with before whose information is generally extremely accurate. He sent me this note... I am responding to your latest on Mary Trail. Her parents were James Trail/Elizabeth Anderson from Mary's death certificate (Auchtydore, Longside, 13 Oct 1903). I haven't actually seen it but I have the info from a usually reliable source. Thanks! Now the question is... how does the other line of Trail Burnett fit in? Thanks! Laura

I said nothing about plural. With apologies to our American cousins, but I would have preferred you offered another authority. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> > > That is not the plural of *any* Latin Declension I ever heard of. > > And it isn't "censi", either. > > Latin has 5 different patterns (or "declensions") for the variant forms > of nouns, and there are two which, in the nominative singular, end with > "-us". The better-known is the Second Declension; this gives us > "dominus" (= master), which in the nominative plural, becomes "domini". > But there is also the Fourth Declension, common examples of which are > "domus" (=house) and "manus" (=hand). The nominative plurals of these > are ... "domus" and "manus". And (yes, you've guessed it!) "census" > belongs to the Fourth Declension. So the Latin plural of "census" is > "census". What you choose to use as the plural of the English word is > a different question, although I can see no reason to object to "censuses". > > You can check the latin at: > > http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~econrad/lang/ln4.html > > > Gavin Bell

Janet wrote: >The Latin is censere. > > That is not the plural of *any* Latin Declension I ever heard of. And it isn't "censi", either. Latin has 5 different patterns (or "declensions") for the variant forms of nouns, and there are two which, in the nominative singular, end with "-us". The better-known is the Second Declension; this gives us "dominus" (= master), which in the nominative plural, becomes "domini". But there is also the Fourth Declension, common examples of which are "domus" (=house) and "manus" (=hand). The nominative plurals of these are ... "domus" and "manus". And (yes, you've guessed it!) "census" belongs to the Fourth Declension. So the Latin plural of "census" is "census". What you choose to use as the plural of the English word is a different question, although I can see no reason to object to "censuses". You can check the latin at: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~econrad/lang/ln4.html Gavin Bell

The Latin is censere. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wells" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com>; <angus@rootsweb.com>; <tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com>; <sct-fife@rootsweb.com>; <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? >I suppose that 'legally' it is censi as it is a word from Latin, Latin words ending >in -us changed to an -i ending in the plural. But common usage now seems to use censuses. > > Mike

I'm a new subscriber to this list. Is this the type of discussions that go on? Is this genealogy? Jeannette ----- Original Message ----- From: <SangsterC@aol.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] What is the plural of census? > People, people..... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message