I dont know too much about the name. I mentioned it because of your name, wondering if we might find a connection. I haven't found a reference to them having emigrated to Australia, but will bear it in mind. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "cecil rae" <cecrae@ozemail.com.au> > Hello Janet, > Unfortunately no. G.g.g grandfather John Rae married Elizabeth Fraser of > Cruden 3 April,1781 - Ellon OPR. He farmed in Ellon parish and then Logie > Buchan. His grandson came ti Oz 1849 as a Master mariner, > Anything close? > Cecil Rae

I have had a look at the other RAE names that I didn't write up here and I dont have any named Ann. I haven't expanded upon the Rae line other than those concerned before and after the marriage with SHERRATT but intermarriage is always possible, so if I find any more I will let you know. The Udny association might be a cousin relationship perhaps. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] RAE - Kinc/Aberdeen Re: BAIN name in India I ahve an Ann Rae from Udny, Aberdeen: ANN RAE Pedigree Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 15 JUN 1825 Dyce, Aberdeen, Scotland Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN RAE Family Mother: JANE JOSS No idea if she fits in your family of Rae's somehow... she married Allan McBain in 1847 in Aberdeen and died two years later Cam

Gavin said C" and "G" can be certainly be confused in older or worn inscriptions, but unless you have independent evidence that this is a mistranscription, COW is statistically much more likely than GOW. The 1851 Census for Peterhead shows 26 individuals called COW, but just 5 called GOW, while present-day phone-books of NE Scotland still show COW/COWE outnumbering GOW by about 3 to 1. Thanks for that Gavin. Made me go back and look at what I have in case I was seeing what I expected rather than what was written there. However I do have a copy of the page in the Register of birth Longside b June 29 1849 date of baptism Oct 16 1849. The surname is given as Scott or GOW father Charles GOW Peterhead, mother Jane Scott in Mintlaw. Lucky for me on this occasion the handwriting is very easy to read. Mary Ann Gow was the name used on her marriage and death certs. and also on the birth registrations of all her children. Once again thanks for the reminder to check and double check. Janet

Hello Joan in Oz, If your Times of India covers 1862 My G. Grandfather's sister Jane Rae, Married to William Knowles Lyon, cabinet maker,died (according to family records , died 27 October 1862 at "Pischurr', East Indies (India?) 27 October 1862". Lyon was born Peterhead, Aberdeen shire most likely Church of Scotland. Any Info gratefully received. Cecil Rae of Melbourne, OZ. -----Original Message----- From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Joan Birtles Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 4:55 PM To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Subject: [ABERDEEN] BAIN name in India Hello list I seem to remember Cam enquiring re the name BAIN in India not so long ago but please forgive me if I've dreamt this, however, just in case I found this in the Times of India for 1873. Marriages 1873 WILSON-TAIT Dec 8th at Rangoon, by the Rev J.K. Bain, Mr R.S. Wilson to Agnes, eldest daughter of the late Captain Taitt, Scotland. Hope this is of some use re your BAIN name Cam. Cheers Joan in Oz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 487 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cecil Rae: The East Indies were originally called the Dutch East Indies which ultimately became Indonesia. It has been assumed before, that Pischurr is a corruption of Peshawar which is in India and that the indication of "East Indies" is therefore in error. India was intended. Suppose there really was a place called Pischurr in Indonesia? I wonder if it is worth a search? M Keith Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "cecil rae" <cecrae@ozemail.com.au> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] BAIN name in India > Hello Joan in Oz, > If your Times of India covers 1862 My G. Grandfather's sister Jane Rae, > Married to William Knowles Lyon, cabinet maker,died (according to family > records , died 27 October 1862 at "Pischurr', East Indies (India?) 27 > October 1862". Lyon was born Peterhead, Aberdeen shire most likely Church > of > Scotland. Any Info gratefully received. > Cecil Rae of Melbourne, OZ. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aberdeen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Joan Birtles > Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 4:55 PM > To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ABERDEEN] BAIN name in India > > > Hello list > > I seem to remember Cam enquiring re the name BAIN in India not so long ago > but please forgive me if I've dreamt this, however, just in case I found > this in the Times of India for 1873. > > Marriages 1873 > WILSON-TAIT Dec 8th at Rangoon, by the Rev J.K. Bain, Mr R.S. Wilson > to > Agnes, eldest daughter of the late Captain Taitt, Scotland. > > Hope this is of some use re your BAIN name Cam. > > Cheers > Joan in Oz > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 487 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a Christian RAE b 6 October 1816, Benholm to Joseph RAE and Jane WATT. Jane WATT was apparently born on 28 July 1781 and married on 17 December 1815. There were 3 other children of the marriage, one of whom, James b 29 July 1818 married on 5 January 1842 to Catherine ROSS. There were 7 children of their marriage, one namely Jessie or Janet RAE b 20 December , Udny, who married Robert SHERRATT on 17 November 1875 and lived at Bonaccord Terrace Aberdeen all their married lives. If any of this information is familiar I would be interested to hear from you. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "cecil rae" <cecrae@ozemail.com.au> > Hello Joan in Oz, > If your Times of India covers 1862 My G. Grandfather's sister Jane Rae, > Married to William Knowles Lyon, cabinet maker,died (according to family > records , died 27 October 1862 at "Pischurr', East Indies (India?) 27 > October 1862". Lyon was born Peterhead, Aberdeen shire most likely Church of > Scotland. Any Info gratefully received. > Cecil Rae of Melbourne, OZ.

Goldie said "I'll tuck this info into my book and have a boo for it. I have COW in one family which should be COWE it looks like" Thanks for that. Cow may also be Gow. I have the CD of MI.s for St Peters old churchyard in Peterhead and the headstone for John Allan and Mary Ann Gow has been transcribed as Cow. May have been the way the sun was shining on the day or just the way the G had been formed. Cheers Janet

Gordon, One out of left field, but worth a try. I have a Barbara Shirrefs SMITH b. 28 July 1840 (don't have parents, record came from National Archives and have not checked). Barbara was apparently the adopted daughter of Shirrefs Lumsden Shirrefs (of Blairmormond) and she married James Francis Gordon Shirrefs on 12 Dec 1861. He succeeded to Craig in Auchindoir (as Laird) in 1863 and adopted the patronymic GORDON. Barbara died at Grant Lodge, Elgin in 1892. Could this be your Barbara? Robin

I ahve an Ann Rae from Udny, Aberdeen: ANN RAE Pedigree   Female         -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s):  Birth:   Christening:  15 JUN 1825   Dyce, Aberdeen, Scotland    Death:   Burial:      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents:   Father:  JOHN RAE  Family   Mother:  JANE JOSS       No idea if she fits in your family of Rae's somehow... she married Allan McBain in 1847 in Aberdeen and died two years later Cam

2009/10/29 Cameron MCBAIN <clmcbain@rogers.com> wrote: Gavin Bell and others, ie Ray etc would probably have a good idea about > Campbells home turf and when and how they spread, seeing that it is, from > what I understand, a pretty prominent clan that chummed with the Brits... > _________________________________ I seem to recall that, after their tiny faux pas, the CAMPBELLs all changed their names for a longish time. Unfortunately they all chose to be called SMITH which slightly defeated the object of being anonymous!! Probably a myth. Other than that, I know nothing! [(C) Mañuel, Fawlty Towers] -- Best wishes Ray ********************************************************** >From Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net Preferred Email address: ray@whatsinaname.net Hints for Scotland's People at http://bit.ly/WIAN-SCP **********************************************************

Hello list I seem to remember Cam enquiring re the name BAIN in India not so long ago but please forgive me if I've dreamt this, however, just in case I found this in the Times of India for 1873. Marriages 1873 WILSON-TAIT Dec 8th at Rangoon, by the Rev J.K. Bain, Mr R.S. Wilson to Agnes, eldest daughter of the late Captain Taitt, Scotland. Hope this is of some use re your BAIN name Cam. Cheers Joan in Oz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 487 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thanks for the offer of help Goldie. It is a long shot but my great grandmother Mary Ann Gow b 1849 Longside/Mintlaw is the daughter of Jane Scott and Charles Gow. The parents did not marry and Charles Gow is shown on the OPR as a farmer of Peterhead. Mary Ann grew up in Peterhead with her Scott grandparents. I have information on the Scott family and the Allan family she married into but nothing on Charles Gow. I cant confirm or deny any facts I find because I have no other information. Janet

Sent something offlist which I think might help you. There was an announcement just recently about India Office records. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] BAIN name in India Hi - thanks! I am looking for a Jean MCBAIN who married out there... 1. JEAN MCBAIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 03 JAN 1853 India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency,,Misc, , , India Thanks anyways - Cam

Thank you for your reply Cam. We dont have a connection apparently but its interesting. I just wondered if there was a reason for their being out of Argyllshire; not wishing to have too fixed ideas about where people went to and for their reasons of course, but enquirying minds...........and maybe finding something really interesting. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> > > I have Campbells from Perth: > > John CAMPBELL< born 1762, Lergan, Perth > marride Girsell MENZIES, 1787, Fortingall, Perth > > Had three kids atleast, > Christian CAMPBELL, B. 1788, moved to Aberdeen, married John MCBAIN in 1818 > Allan CAMPBELL, B. 1790, Perth, was in the infantry, witnessed th 1818 marriage, and > then disappeared > Mary CAMPBELL, b. 1891, don't know what happened to her. > > Campbells all over the place in Scotland, methinks - Campbellville, anyone? > > Cam McBain

Gavin Bell and others, ie Ray etc would probably have a good idea about Campbells home turf and when and how they spread, seeing that it is, from what I understand, a pretty prominent clan that chummed with the Brits... Cam ________________________________ From: Janet <wightway@clara.co.uk> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:01:16 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] CAMPBLE/CAMPBELL Kincardineshire 1798 Thank you for your reply Cam.  We dont have a connection apparently but its interesting. I just wondered if there was a reason for their being out of Argyllshire;  not wishing to have too fixed ideas about where people went to and for their reasons of course, but enquirying minds............and maybe finding something really interesting. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron MCBAIN" <clmcbain@rogers.com> > > I have Campbells from Perth: > > John CAMPBELL< born 1762, Lergan, Perth > marride Girsell MENZIES, 1787, Fortingall, Perth > > Had three kids atleast, > Christian CAMPBELL, B. 1788, moved to Aberdeen, married John MCBAIN in 1818 > Allan CAMPBELL, B. 1790, Perth, was in the infantry, witnessed th 1818 marriage, and > then disappeared > Mary CAMPBELL, b. 1891, don't know what happened to her. > > Campbells all over the place in Scotland, methinks - Campbellville, anyone? > > Cam McBain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the OPR's you get it all three ways.......Cow, Cowe, Gow; don't we all love that!! Makes you think.....LOL, Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "C & J Hinricks" <candjhinricks@xtra.co.nz> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] PETERHEAD > Goldie said > "I'll tuck this info into my book and have a boo for it. I have COW in > one > family which should be COWE it looks like" > > > > Thanks for that. Cow may also be Gow. I have the CD of MI.s for St > Peters > old churchyard in Peterhead and the headstone for John Allan and Mary Ann > Gow has been transcribed as Cow. May have been the way the sun was > shining > on the day or just the way the G had been formed. > Cheers > Janet > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

C & J Hinricks wrote: >... >Cow may also be Gow. I have the CD of MI.s for St Peters >old churchyard in Peterhead and the headstone for John Allan and Mary Ann >Gow has been transcribed as Cow. May have been the way the sun was shining >on the day or just the way the G had been formed. > > "C" and "G" can be certainly be confused in older or worn inscriptions, but unless you have independent evidence that this is a mistranscription, COW is statistically much more likely than GOW. The 1851 Census for Peterhead shows 26 individuals called COW, but just 5 called GOW, while present-day phone-books of NE Scotland still show COW/COWE outnumbering GOW by about 3 to 1. Gavin Bell

Hi - thanks! I am looking for a Jean MCBAIN who married out there... 1. JEAN MCBAIN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 03 JAN 1853 India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency,,Misc, , , India Thanks anyways - Cam ________________________________ From: Joan Birtles <joanbirtles@bigpond.com> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 1:54:31 AM Subject: [ABERDEEN] BAIN name in India Hello list I seem to remember Cam enquiring re the name BAIN in India not so long ago but please forgive me if I've dreamt this, however, just in case I found this in the Times of India for 1873. Marriages 1873 WILSON-TAIT    Dec 8th at Rangoon, by the Rev J.K. Bain, Mr R.S. Wilson to Agnes, eldest daughter of the late Captain Taitt, Scotland. Hope this is of some use re your BAIN name Cam.. Cheers Joan in Oz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 487 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am lkooking for any info on JOHN MATHIESON, who is listed as a witness to John MCBAIN's and Christian CAMPBELL's 1818 wedding in Aberdeen. John Mathieso is listed as a "pensioner in Aberdeen" at the time. Here's the 1841 census info: 1841 census  Name: John Mathieson Age: 70  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771 Gender: Male  Where born: Scotland   Civil Parish: Aberdeen North  County: Aberdeenshire  Address: East North Street  Occupation: Army Pensioner  Parish Number: 168A  Name: William Matherson Age: 12  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Gender: Male  Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland   Civil Parish: Aberdeen North  County: Aberdeenshire  Address: East North Street  Occupation: Labr  Name: Ann Mathieson Age: 50  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Female  Where born: Scotland   Civil Parish: Aberdeen North  County: Aberdeenshire  Address: East North Street  Name: Ann Mathieson Age: 15  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female  Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland   Civil Parish: Aberdeen North  County: Aberdeenshire  Address: East North Street  Occupation: Cotton Spinner  Name: Mary Mathieson Age: 19  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Gender: Female  Where born: Aberdeenshire Cotton Spinner I have not quite nailed dowm his birthplace, nor his regiment... Cam McBain

I have Campbells from Perth: John CAMPBELL< born 1762, Lergan, Perth marride Girsell MENZIES, 1787, Fortingall, Perth Had three kids atleast, Christian CAMPBELL, B. 1788, moved to Aberdeen, married John MCBAIN in 1818 Allan CAMPBELL, B. 1790, Perth, was in the infantry, witnessed th 1818 marriage, and then disappeared Mary CAMPBELL, b. 1891, don't know what happened to her. Campbells all over the place in Scotland, methinks - Campbellville, anyone? Cam McBain ________________________________ From: Janet <wightway@clara.co.uk> To: aberdeen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 5:25:49 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] CAMPBLE/CAMPBELL Kincardineshire 1798 I may be wrong but I normally associate the CAMPBELL name with Argyllshire so I wondered if there was any significance in their being in Kincardine. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "goldie and Lido Doratti" <lidogold2@shaw.ca> To: <aberdeen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [ABERDEEN] CAMPBLE/CAMPBELL Kincardineshire 1798 | Give us the years please, for John Campbell.......Goldie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ABERDEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message